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(News On 6 Tulsa)   Old and busted: Online diploma mills. New hotness: Online service animal certification mills, so that you can take your pet with you anywhere, and due to regulations, nobody is allowed to question the validity   (newson6.com) divider line 137
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2014-07-30 10:33:39 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Maybe you could have not done something you felt was wrong?


He can't help it. He's a shepherd, they're incredibly obedient. Smart too--how many dogs do you know of that can use photoshop?
 
2014-07-30 10:46:12 AM  
CSB: My mom printed and laminated a somewhat official looking card she copied from the internet so she can push her little mini poodle around in a dog carriage as a "therapy" dog. The dog is nice and loves even heavy-handed attention from kids, AND it's sealed in its carriage in a mesh box so nobody has actual access to it, BUT it's still crap that she does it.

CSB2: While at an all day Ikea outing, my dad (mid 70s) was carrying his 2yr old granddaughter when he had a Doberman seriously growl and lunge at him (it had a gentle-leader on its muzzle) while he was slowly perusing kitchenwares. The tiny owner was shouting "Nein!" at her dog she barely had control of. Her teenage daughters missed the event, and we heard them inquire what happened and the mom said "he made a move", referring to my dad. Other people saw the what happened, reported it, and the lady was escorted out of the store. It was all pretty surreal. My mother did not manage to draw any parallels from the event.
 
2014-07-30 11:00:02 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Maybe you could have not done something you felt was wrong?


Bah, I have no guilt, it was her idea.  I just do what I need to, to keep her happy.  I'm a fool in love.  (Although I suspect she loves the dogs more.)
 
2014-07-30 11:17:24 AM  
What I don't get are the people who think that simply getting the dog/bunny/whatever certified means that they can take it any damn where they please.

It's not a "my dog is well behaved" card.  It's a two-part process, involving not only getting (or training) a proper therapy animal, but also a prescription, from a legitimate MEDICAL professional to "get (or train) a therapy animal and take it along in situations where it would be therapeutic."

I know this is being abused because I know someone who got their dog certified as a therapy dog and believes that the certification is enough to entitle the dog to go everywhere.  (The dog does provide therapy in several volunteer programs, just not to its owner).
 
2014-07-30 11:18:04 AM  
FnkyTwn: ... as a "therapy" dog.

Service dog. Therapy dogs don't have cards, and they can't go in public places like service animals. We can go in nursing facilities and places like that which invite us in or where therapy dogs are openly welcomed.

Just FYI.
 
2014-07-30 11:41:36 AM  

Mr. Right: Khazar-Khum: No dog should be out of control in public. If it is, it needs to be removed immediately.

Nice post.  But this sentence stood out.  You're absolutely correct.  And the way you can tell a properly trained service animal is that it won't be out of control.  Properly trained dogs are much more consistent in their behavior than humans.

I hope you're doing well after whatever your hospitalization was for.


Want to add to this. The way you can tell a properly trained service animal is you don't even notice it. I've seen quite a few service animals, specifically for PTSD, with only a few actually being properly trained service animals. The majority I've run into are untrained for any specific tasks, but are brought along just because they make the person feel secure. I've had some therapy session where half the session was trying to keep the dog under control, and I've had others where the dog wasn't even noticable.

Properly trained, I'm all for them. They assist with panic attacks, nightmares, and dissociative episodes. They also can decrease anxiety by placing themselves between the individual and a group of people. However, the training costs A LOT. What I have a problem is when someone buys a vest, throws it on their pet, and says it's a service dog.
 
2014-07-30 11:43:45 AM  
Do "hearing dogs" speak English? If not, couldn't you just get a hearing goldfish and save a ton of money?
 
2014-07-30 12:08:43 PM  

Warlordtrooper: I'm waiting for someone to suffer a severe allergic reaction to a service pet then sue under the ADA for the business not accommodating their medical condition because they had to allow service animals thanks to the ADA

/legitimate service animals for blind people should obviously be allowed.
// therapy pets are bullshiat and those people should be arrested for abusing the system


therapy pets DO NOT share the same rights under the ADA that service dogs do.
 
2014-07-30 12:10:07 PM  
People who cannot or don't have the skills to relate to other humans act like their animals are people. They couldn't care less if they make other humans sick by dragging them everywhere. There are health reasons that they aren't welcome in food establishments.

Here comes the reason....THEY ARE ANIMALS. Not humans or human replacements.

If I am ever so pathetic as to walk around with an animal in a baby/pet stroller, please put me out of my misery.
 
2014-07-30 12:17:18 PM  

maram500: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

I have zero problem with service DOGS. "Service" animals like rats and cats and stuff, however, make me all stabby

Worse than people who claim a rat is a therapy animal are people like you. It's a dog, not a child. It evolved to have four paws to traverse terrain of all kinds, not to be stuffed into a stroller designed to carry a helpless infant or to be placed in a grocery cart. You live in the real world, where people get anxious around animals like that, even who think it is completely inappropriate to take Prissy into Best Buy or Kohls or wherever. Leave the animal at home--he likes it there so much he demonstrates it by leaving gifts on the rug.

Take your pet for a walk outside. Take it to the park. All we ask is that you follow leash laws and respect that a lot of us don't want you to bring Muffy or Princess or Edna or whatever stupid name you gave the dog into stores and places where non-service dogs aren't welcome.


THERAPY animals have no rights under the ADA, its even spelled out in it.
 
2014-07-30 12:18:29 PM  

studebaker hoch: This is my emotional needs alligator.


Did you forget the pic?
media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-30 12:20:14 PM  
I still think this is perfectly workable:

1) Business owner asks unwanted person to leave premises
2) Business owner does not provide any reason, as they are not required to
3) Burden of proof is on the unwanted person to show that this was illegal

Yes it's true you can't refuse service to protected classes of people, but who's job is it to prove that you did or didn't?
 
2014-07-30 12:24:23 PM  

PunGent: maram500: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

I have zero problem with service DOGS. "Service" animals like rats and cats and stuff, however, make me all stabby

Worse than people who claim a rat is a therapy animal are people like you. It's a dog, not a child. It evolved to have four paws to traverse terrain of all kinds, not to be stuffed into a stroller designed to carry a helpless infant or to be placed in a grocery cart. You live in the real world, where people get anxious around animals like that, even who think it is completely inappropriate to take Prissy into Best Buy or Kohls or wherever. Leave the animal at home--he likes it there so much he demonstrates it by leaving gifts on the rug.

Take your pet for a walk outside. Take it to the park. All we ask is that you follow leash laws and respect that a lot of us don't want you to bring Muffy or Princess or Edna or whatever stupid name you gave the dog into stores and places where non-service dogs aren't welcome.

Chompy, my service shark, has no need of a leash, thank you very much.


I want to give you a gold star. Or a hug. I don't know which right now. Let me consult my service mother.
 
2014-07-30 12:31:48 PM  

xtech: maram500: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

I have zero problem with service DOGS. "Service" animals like rats and cats and stuff, however, make me all stabby

Worse than people who claim a rat is a therapy animal are people like you. It's a dog, not a child. It evolved to have four paws to traverse terrain of all kinds, not to be stuffed into a stroller designed to carry a helpless infant or to be placed in a grocery cart. You live in the real world, where people get anxious around animals like that, even who think it is completely inappropriate to take Prissy into Best Buy or Kohls or wherever. Leave the animal at home--he likes it there so much he demonstrates it by leaving gifts on the rug.

Take your pet for a walk outside. Take it to the park. All we ask is that you follow leash laws and respect that a lot of us don't want you to bring Muffy or Princess or Edna or whatever stupid name you gave the dog into stores and places where non-service dogs aren't welcome.

THERAPY animals have no rights under the ADA, its even spelled out in it.


My apologies, I misspoke. I meant service animals, but I was typing it out very early in the morning while on medication that by all rights should have knocked me out.

To be fair, back when I was in grad school the university brought therapy dogs onto campus for finals week. I met a friendly golden retriever ("Bubba," maybe?) who was just, like, the best. That dog was so nice I wish I could have brought it out drinking. Thing is, all I did with him was sit on the library floor with him and rub his back--and he just laid there, content as could be, and smiled. He did try to nibble on my cane though... But it made that whole week--the one where I pulled a twenty-page paper out of my ass in twelve hours--so much better.

/Have had a huge fear of dogs all my life
 
2014-07-30 12:53:28 PM  

maram500: xtech: maram500: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

I have zero problem with service DOGS. "Service" animals like rats and cats and stuff, however, make me all stabby

Worse than people who claim a rat is a therapy animal are people like you. It's a dog, not a child. It evolved to have four paws to traverse terrain of all kinds, not to be stuffed into a stroller designed to carry a helpless infant or to be placed in a grocery cart. You live in the real world, where people get anxious around animals like that, even who think it is completely inappropriate to take Prissy into Best Buy or Kohls or wherever. Leave the animal at home--he likes it there so much he demonstrates it by leaving gifts on the rug.

Take your pet for a walk outside. Take it to the park. All we ask is that you follow leash laws and respect that a lot of us don't want you to bring Muffy or Princess or Edna or whatever stupid name you gave the dog into stores and places where non-service dogs aren't welcome.

THERAPY animals have no rights under the ADA, its even spelled out in it.

My apologies, I misspoke. I meant service animals, but I was typing it out very early in the morning while on medication that by all rights should have knocked me out.

To be fair, back when I was in grad school the university brought therapy dogs onto campus for finals week. I met a friendly golden retriever ("Bubba," maybe?) who was just, like, the best. That dog was so nice I wish I could have brought it out drinking. Thing is, all I did with him was sit on the library floor with him and rub his back--and he just laid there, content as could be, and smiled. He did try to ...


no need to apologize. ive printed out the ADA and shown a few businesses around me that therapy animals do not get the same rights as service animals. he had complained to me (he is the GM for a big home repair store..) about the influx of soccer moms in the area (it is a rich neighborhood) claiming therapy animal bla bla. 

After he saw it in the ADA, he knew what he could ask and what he couldnt ask. since the persons bringing in the animals have specifically said THERAPY animal, he has been booting them out and banning their animals. 

/he aint worried about lawsuits, everythings recorded and the person(s) are on tape saying therapy animal
 
2014-07-30 01:05:55 PM  
Didn't read the article, just saw the headline, and immediately came here to tell this joke:

Two women are out walking their dogs when they pass a bar. "I'm thirsty," says the first woman. "Let's go in that bar and have a drink." "We can't," says the second woman. "We have our dogs with us." "Just follow my lead," says the first woman.

So the first woman puts on a big pair of sunglasses and starts to walk into the bar. "I'm sorry," says the bouncer. "You can't bring your dog in here." "I am blind, this is my seeing eye dog," the woman answers. "Really? They're using Great Danes as seeing eye dogs now?" asks the bouncer. "Oh sure," the woman says. "They use all kinds of dogs these days. Great Danes make great seeing eye dogs." So he lets her in.

The second woman watches this and decides to do the same thing. She puts on a big pair of sunglasses and starts to walk into the bar. "I'm sorry," says the bouncer. "You can't bring your dog in here." "I am blind, this is my seeing eye dog," the woman answers. "Really? They're using chihuahuas as seeing eye dogs now?" asks the bouncer. "Chihuahua?" says the woman. "THEY GAVE ME A FARKING CHIHUAHUA?"
 
2014-07-30 01:09:26 PM  

xtech: no need to apologize. ive printed out the ADA and shown a few businesses around me that therapy animals do not get the same rights as service animals. he had complained to me (he is the GM for a big home repair store..) about the influx of soccer moms in the area (it is a rich neighborhood) claiming therapy animal bla bla.

After he saw it in the ADA, he knew what he could ask and what he couldnt ask. since the persons bringing in the animals have specifically said THERAPY animal, he has been booting them out and banning their animals.

/he aint worried about lawsuits, everythings recorded and the person(s) are on tape saying therapy animal


I imagine there are more than a few people who just take their dogs with them anywhere they go and respond to anyone asking why they have a dog with them with a stupid face and a "he's my therapy dog." Too bad "I didn't want Roscoe to shiat on my carpet" isn't an actual therapy provided by animals.
 
2014-07-30 01:45:07 PM  

OgreMagi: TWX: OgreMagi: The biggest flaw I see is people might go through the online database searching for a service dog that matches their pet.  Not sure how to prevent that.

I have a solution, issue the permit to the patient, not to the animal. That's how handicapped placards and plates work- they're issued to the patient by prescription and then that prescription is "filled" by the motor vehicle department, and when abused and actually caught, can result in fines.

Since service dogs and other service animals usually have clothing in some form on them identifying their status, require that the clothing item or the harness have the permit attached. No permit, no requirement to honor the animal as a service animal. Have the permit feature a picture of the patient too, so that permits can't be traded very easily.

There's a thriving online business selling fake service dog vests and certificates.  Because the law currently prevents anyone from properly questioning credentials, there needs to be some process in place to verify the dog.  Thus my suggestion.


To clarify, fake vs real is a red herring. By law, there is not a service animal licensing or registration reqt at the federal level. Any vests, badges, or papers are simply a convenience that helps advertise the animal is working and is not to be challenged.

Also, people conflate service animals with guide dogs. They are not the same, guide dogs are a special subset of service animals.

I own a service dog which has completed a "certified" service dog training program, it gives us a nice official looking document that we can flash at people, but nothing prevents us from making our own document from The ACME Wile E Coyote school. The most helpful item we carry is a direct print of the state and federal regs that we can show the occasional busybody to nicely fark off.

It's a lesser of 2 evils situation...costly govt bureaucracy and enforcement to cover every special needs case and situation burdening the very same poor and disabled people that are trying to be helped? Or live with the occasional fake service Fifi in a restaurant?

Quit your biatching, if the animal is unruly or a danger you can kick the owner out, just as if it were a real obnoxious customer. Otherwise, they have a right to be there in your establishment.

/obligatory love it or leave it comment
/more gubmint? What is ya, a socialist?
 
2014-07-30 01:52:42 PM  

noitsnot: I still think this is perfectly workable:

1) Business owner asks unwanted person to leave premises
2) Business owner does not provide any reason, as they are not required to
3) Burden of proof is on the unwanted person to show that this was illegal

Yes it's true you can't refuse service to protected classes of people, but who's job is it to prove that you did or didn't?


Item 3...

So I'm required to carry the bill of rights with me, just in case a store doesn't want to serve "my kind"? Can I at least say "cite" before the bouncer throws me out?
 
2014-07-30 02:01:38 PM  

Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.


You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?
 
2014-07-30 02:05:57 PM  

Ferrous Capuchin: noitsnot: I still think this is perfectly workable:

1) Business owner asks unwanted person to leave premises
2) Business owner does not provide any reason, as they are not required to
3) Burden of proof is on the unwanted person to show that this was illegal

Yes it's true you can't refuse service to protected classes of people, but who's job is it to prove that you did or didn't?

Item 3...

So I'm required to carry the bill of rights with me, just in case a store doesn't want to serve "my kind"? Can I at least say "cite" before the bouncer throws me out?


Yeah, I dunno.  It's the right of the property owner to control access to his land versus the right of a protected class member to be equally served.  It's all down to the "reason why" the owner ejected the customer.

Must the business owner provide a reason why they don't want to serve someone?  I don't think so.

Could the ejected person then study the pattern of service refusal over time and argue that this business seems to discriminate against their protected class?  Probably.
 
2014-07-30 02:13:51 PM  
ts1.mm.bing.net
Took my service fish to the beach.
Didn't end well.
 
2014-07-30 04:23:14 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: tjsands1118: Jim_Callahan: // I love my dogs as much as the next guy, but it's the same love I have for my car, my reactors, or hanging out on the river. Fundamentally they're not people, they're property, and they don't have a legal or moral right to hang out wherever they want.

As the next guy seems to be me, I'm calling bullshiat. My dog is not just a piece of property, he is not a person, but he is a living being with his own life that he happily gives up just to be my pet. I would give anything for him and he would do the same for me.

/Seriously, after these one, just stop, you don't deserve a dog.

Yes, because the dog has the ability to fully comprehend the situation and make an informed decision regarding his future.

Stop anthropomorphizing an animal.

/dog person


I think the point is the dog is intelligent enough and capable of bonding to a person and shows affection to that person. I have a half JRT half Rat Terrier mis and she loves her daddy. Maybe not the same way as humans love each other but more of an alpha/sub type thing. She goes to the door when its close to the time I usually get home and looses her shiat when I drive up. follows me around till I sit down to watch some tv then its up in the lap to snuggle. Shes my gal and there isn't any anthropomorphizing going on here shes just bonded with me and I know it.
 
2014-07-30 04:51:14 PM  

aagrajag: Haven't read the thread, so sorry if this has already been asked, but why is one no allowed to ask for proof? For any other privilege: hunting, fishing, driving on public roads, I would have to produce a license.

Second question: if someone were to know that a certain breed of dog or other animal could not *possibly* function as a true service animal, is there anything preventing an employee from simply saying: "Your purse-chihuahua is not a service animal; stop insulting my intelligence and get the hell out!"?


Quite possibly the best tempered and sweetest do I have met in my life is a pit bull named Xena. Anyone who says that breeds are vicious is full of crap its how you raise them. It the same as all the old racial stereotypes just bullshiat.
 
2014-07-30 05:45:42 PM  
What a service animal might look like:
api.ning.com
and fark you if you say otherwise, or even ask.
 
2014-07-30 06:10:53 PM  

DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?


No, you're right... keep wheeling him around in his little doggy stroller. Everyone loves a good laugh.
 
2014-07-30 06:37:07 PM  

DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?


HOME? Leave him at HOME?
My God man, you mean treat him like...like a dog instead of a child?!
[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]


Ferrous Capuchin: It's a lesser of 2 evils situation...costly govt bureaucracy and enforcement to cover every special needs case and situation burdening the very same poor and disabled people that are trying to be helped? Or live with the occasional fake service Fifi in a restaurant?

Quit your biatching, if the animal is unruly or a danger you can kick the owner out, just as if it were a real obnoxious customer. Otherwise, they have a right to be there in your establishment.

/obligatory love it or leave it comment
/more gubmint? What is ya, a socialist?


Exactly, it's like...I don't know, take disabled parking for example. What kind of commie expects a guy to prove that he needs the disabled spot? What are they supposed to do, get some kind of approval from the gubmint before they're allowed to take advantage of special legal exceptions enforced by the gubmint? Can you imagine the massive and costly bureaucracy that it would take to accomplish such a thing? And the burden and embarrassment caused to people with disabilities if you were to make them use some kind of special marking or placard? That's what HITLER would do.
 
2014-07-30 06:40:27 PM  

Bawdy George: DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?

No, you're right... keep wheeling him around in his little doggy stroller. Everyone loves a good laugh.


Everyone does love him. He gets
lots of love, pets, and scritches.
 
2014-07-30 07:04:00 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?

HOME? Leave him at HOME?
My God man, you mean treat him like...like a dog instead of a child?!
[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]


Oh yeah.  I forgot.  I need to leave him tied up in the back yard in 100+ weather.  After all, he's just a dog.  I can get a new one when he dies.
 
2014-07-30 07:52:23 PM  

DarthBart: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?

HOME? Leave him at HOME?
My God man, you mean treat him like...like a dog instead of a child?!
[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]

Oh yeah.  I forgot.  I need to leave him tied up in the back yard in 100+ weather.  After all, he's just a dog.  I can get a new one when he dies.


Holy shiat. Now you're saying you would KILL your dog if you didn't take it everywhere in a stroller? If you can't manage to take care of a dog properly at your home, then you shouldn't have one in the first place.

But I would bet you do not actually have the sort of mental disability that would prevent you from dealing with this super-farking-difficult "care for a dog at home" conundrum that virtually every other dog owner in the world manages to solve. I'd bet it is just a feeble attempt to pretend you need to treat your rat-dog like a baby.
 
2014-07-30 08:07:45 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?

HOME? Leave him at HOME?
My God man, you mean treat him like...like a dog instead of a child?!
[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]

Oh yeah.  I forgot.  I need to leave him tied up in the back yard in 100+ weather.  After all, he's just a dog.  I can get a new one when he dies.

Holy shiat. Now you're saying you would KILL your dog if you didn't take it everywhere in a stroller? If you can't manage to take care of a dog properly at your home, then you shouldn't have one in the first place.

But I would bet you do not actually have the sort of mental disability that would prevent you from dealing with this super-farking-difficult "care for a dog at home" conundrum that virtually every other dog owner in the world manages to solve. I'd bet it is just a feeble attempt to pretend you need to treat your rat-dog like a baby.


Despite your try-out for the Anonymous Internet Dickbag Trophy, we are quite capable of taking care of a dog at home.  But, as I said, we can either leave him locked in a kennel for many hours while we're gone or take him with.  Or we can leave him out to run around with lots of separation anxiety so he can chew on the walls, crap everywhere, and generally tear shiat up.

Or should I just stare at welcometofark.jpg?
 
2014-07-30 08:26:39 PM  

DarthBart: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?

HOME? Leave him at HOME?
My God man, you mean treat him like...like a dog instead of a child?!
[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]

Oh yeah.  I forgot.  I need to leave him tied up in the back yard in 100+ weather.  After all, he's just a dog.  I can get a new one when he dies.

Holy shiat. Now you're saying you would KILL your dog if you didn't take it everywhere in a stroller? If you can't manage to take care of a dog properly at your home, then you shouldn't have one in the first place.

But I would bet you do not actually have the sort of mental disability that would prevent you from dealing with this super-farking-difficult "care for a dog at home" conundrum that virtually every other dog owner in the world manages to solve. I'd bet it is just a feeble attempt to pretend you need to treat your rat-dog like a baby.

Despite your try-out for the Anonymous Internet Dickbag Trophy, we are quite capable of taking care of a dog at home.  But, as I said, we can either leave him locked in a kennel for many hours while we're gone or take him with.  Or we can leave him out to run around with lots of separation anxiety so he can chew on the walls, crap everywhere, and generally tear shiat up.

Or should I just stare at welcometofark.jpg?


I don't think "quite capable of taking care of a dog at home" means the same thing to you that it does to me. To me it means, among other things, that your dog's well-being doesn't depend on not keeping it at home.

To be clear, I'm not saying people shouldn't take dogs places. I like dogs. I like places that let dogs in. Just pointing out the obvious: treating it like a baby that you must take everywhere isabout you rather than the dog.

(Admittedly, chihuahuas are hyperanxious little shiatbags, but breed is just something people have to account for when determining how suitable dog ownership is for them.)
 
2014-07-30 09:26:27 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: I don't think "quite capable of taking care of a dog at home" means the same thing to you that it does to me. To me it means, among other things, that your dog's well-being doesn't depend on not keeping it at home.

To be clear, I'm not saying people shouldn't take dogs places. I like dogs. I like places that let dogs in. Just pointing out the obvious: treating it like a baby that you must take everywhere isabout you rather than the dog.

(Admittedly, chihuahuas are hyperanxious little shiatbags, but breed is just something people have to account for when determining how suitable dog ownership is for them.)



That's because your average chihuahua owning dillhole doesn't know how to manage their dog.  Ours is quite well behaved when we're out and we constantly get complements on how well he behaves in public.  He's never had an accident anywhere, I think he's barked once in a store but that's because someone else's dog barked first.
 
2014-07-30 10:11:01 PM  

DarthBart: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: I don't think "quite capable of taking care of a dog at home" means the same thing to you that it does to me. To me it means, among other things, that your dog's well-being doesn't depend on not keeping it at home.

To be clear, I'm not saying people shouldn't take dogs places. I like dogs. I like places that let dogs in. Just pointing out the obvious: treating it like a baby that you must take everywhere isabout you rather than the dog.

(Admittedly, chihuahuas are hyperanxious little shiatbags, but breed is just something people have to account for when determining how suitable dog ownership is for them.)


That's because your average chihuahua owning dillhole doesn't know how to manage their dog.  Ours is quite well behaved when we're out and we constantly get complements on how well he behaves in public.  He's never had an accident anywhere, I think he's barked once in a store but that's because someone else's dog barked first.


if you can't train a dog not to chew on the walls poop all over the house and tear things up when you are out. So you have to take your dog out every where you go.  Then you as a dog owner have failed.
 
2014-07-30 11:35:47 PM  
Now I get to go everywhere.
 
2014-07-31 12:58:03 PM  

capt.hollister: To demonstrate the validity of diploma mills, pet certificates, and that diploma hanging on your "alternative" therapist's office wall I obtained a BA in Reiki for Charlie, the smartest and most deserving of our cats.

The diploma is in the name of Charlie LeChat. It cost nothing and took very little time thanks to Thunderwood College's  online programs which can be completed in just seconds. And they are cat friendly.


The Thunderwood College link made my day.
I award you a few Internets.
If you ever visit Cape Cod, mention this and I'll give you 20% off.
 
2014-07-31 01:21:37 PM  

studebaker hoch: This is my emotional needs alligator.


He should have a date with my grizzly.
 
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