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(News On 6 Tulsa)   Old and busted: Online diploma mills. New hotness: Online service animal certification mills, so that you can take your pet with you anywhere, and due to regulations, nobody is allowed to question the validity   (newson6.com) divider line 137
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2014-07-29 11:16:04 PM  
Hmm, I never get pets in my ultrasonic whistle store.
 
2014-07-29 11:55:53 PM  
B-b-b-b-ut it's for THERAPY!

yes, those kind of stories should bring the outrage to Fark.
 
2014-07-30 12:13:22 AM  
Reminds me of some folks who put a large 'Pestalozzi Street Baptist Church' sign on their van every time they drove the party up to Champaign for U of I games. It may have made them less inclined to be scrutinized by the County Sheriff, but it didn't make them Baptists.
 
2014-07-30 12:15:56 AM  
I am the first to admit that some service dogs are useful.
www.funnyanimalsite.com
 
2014-07-30 01:05:56 AM  
You aren't even allowed to ask for the certification so it's pretty pointless either way.
 
2014-07-30 01:06:17 AM  
my lazy service cats comfort me when I'm not feeling productive
 
2014-07-30 01:10:02 AM  
If there's a store with big enough automatic doors, I'd love to ride in on a "service horse" one day.
 
2014-07-30 01:10:45 AM  
Yeah those will work about as well as 215 cards here in No CA. Everyone has one. 90% of them are comeplete horseshiat.
 
2014-07-30 01:11:29 AM  
This is my emotional needs alligator.
 
2014-07-30 01:12:05 AM  

you are a puppet: If there's a store with big enough automatic doors, I'd love to ride in on a "service horse" one day.


Who knew Mrs. Romney was a Farker?
 
2014-07-30 01:13:52 AM  
I saw someone carrying a rat in the grocery store.  Thanks ADA.
 
2014-07-30 01:15:22 AM  
Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.
 
2014-07-30 01:21:53 AM  
Those are service pet service fleas.  Squash them if you want a lawsuit.  I have the forms just waiting a signature.
 
TWX
2014-07-30 01:27:30 AM  
Good good, we're just about to reach critical-mass, where it'll get so bad that it actually gets fixed.

/a couple of acquaintances breed and raise golden retrievers as service dogs
//it takes probably 1/3 of the dog's life to get it trained properly
///and a good portion of them don't end up getting good enough to use anyway
 
2014-07-30 01:28:45 AM  
"This is my service skunk, Stinky,  hey where are you all going?"
 
2014-07-30 01:29:48 AM  

lewismarktwo: You aren't even allowed to ask for the certification so it's pretty pointless either way.


And how do you know this?
 
2014-07-30 01:32:03 AM  

TWX: Good good, we're just about to reach critical-mass, where it'll get so bad that it actually gets fixed.

/a couple of acquaintances breed and raise golden retrievers as service dogs
//it takes probably 1/3 of the dog's life to get it trained properly
///and a good portion of them don't end up getting good enough to use anyway


Our old neighbors had an awesome black lab that flunked guide dog training because she wouldn't pee on command. Wallaby was a great dog.
 
2014-07-30 01:32:25 AM  

CasperImproved: lewismarktwo: You aren't even allowed to ask for the certification so it's pretty pointless either way.

And how do you know this?


it's SOP for most places. I've worked at a couple of large retailers and that was always one of the first things they told us n00bs on the first day of orientation.
 
2014-07-30 01:33:01 AM  

TWX: Good good, we're just about to reach critical-mass, where it'll get so bad that it actually gets fixed.

/a couple of acquaintances breed and raise golden retrievers as service dogs
//it takes probably 1/3 of the dog's life to get it trained properly
///and a good portion of them don't end up getting good enough to use anyway


A friend of mine trains service dogs.  The one she's training at the moment she doesn't think will make the final cut.  "Too needy" were her exact words.  However, the dog will make an awesome pet for some lucky kid one day.  If I had the time for a dog, I'd take her.  I'll stick with my cats.  Who's needy requirements are limited to, "open the farking can, asshole!"
 
2014-07-30 01:33:23 AM  

you are a puppet: If there's a store with big enough automatic doors, I'd love to ride in on a "service horse" one day.


I know you think you're joking, but...
 
2014-07-30 01:34:29 AM  
If the dog is  actually aggressive rather than you just being full of shiat, do you know what you  can do with a service animal?  Call the actual police or animal control and get it impounded, and possibly put down.

If you push it, that outcome's pretty much inevitable since human-safety statutes will trump the ADA every time (calling animal control, notably, is not 'questioning the credentials of the dog', and whether it gets killed is a matter of the dog's behavior and not mitigated by any cert), and after three or four pets or "therapy animals" getting put down make the national news the fakers will most likely cut it out.

// I love my dogs as much as the next guy, but it's the same love I have for my car, my reactors, or hanging out on the river.  Fundamentally they're not people, they're property, and they don't have a legal or moral right to hang out wherever they want.
 
2014-07-30 01:37:48 AM  
Here's my solution to the problem.  Your properly trained and certified dog is issued a serial number.  You must provide this number on demand (a tag on the collar should do).  The dog will have an online profile which will include a picture, description, and the info on how the dog is trained as a service dog (what you are legally allowed to ask).  So what little miss rich biatch shows up with her purse chihuahua but the serial number returns a black lab, you can toss her entitled ass out the door.

No, your farking rat doesn't get certified as an anxiety helper.  It's vermin.
 
2014-07-30 01:39:56 AM  
The biggest flaw I see is people might go through the online database searching for a service dog that matches their pet.  Not sure how to prevent that.
 
2014-07-30 01:41:54 AM  

OgreMagi: Here's my solution to the problem.  Your properly trained and certified dog is issued a serial number.  You must provide this number on demand (a tag on the collar should do).  The dog will have an online profile which will include a picture, description, and the info on how the dog is trained as a service dog (what you are legally allowed to ask).  So what little miss rich biatch shows up with her purse chihuahua but the serial number returns a black lab, you can toss her entitled ass out the door.

No, your farking rat doesn't get certified as an anxiety helper.  It's vermin.


It assists me with gnawing.   And digesting cellulose.
 
2014-07-30 01:42:25 AM  
You have your yappy "service dog" for everyone to see, I carry my "service revolver" out in the open. Not a weiner fight or anything. Simple: control your dog, or I might lose control over my revolver. It has a lot more training than your dog.
/Not the first dog I've shot.
//Been bitten, by a pit bull,  so I guess we're pretty much even.
///Called 311, reported owners, dog impounded. Not the 1st time. Owners wound up moving. Fark the dog.
 
2014-07-30 01:43:39 AM  

Jim_Callahan: // I love my dogs as much as the next guy, but it's the same love I have for my car, my reactors, or hanging out on the river. Fundamentally they're not people, they're property, and they don't have a legal or moral right to hang out wherever they want.


As the next guy seems to be me, I'm calling bullshiat. My dog is not just a piece of property, he is not a person, but he is a living being with his own life that he happily gives up just to be my pet. I would give anything for him and he would do the same for me.

/Seriously, after these one, just stop, you don't deserve a dog.
 
2014-07-30 01:44:28 AM  

OgreMagi: The biggest flaw I see is people might go through the online database searching for a service dog that matches their pet.  Not sure how to prevent that.


Not browsable.  Must enter a code that corresponds to an animal, which are not predictable, sequential numbers (i.e. our friend the UUID).  So hard to guess a valid one randomly.
 
2014-07-30 01:45:29 AM  
Hell, you don't even need a damn certificate. The hospital I work at bends over so far for the "customers" that if they just say it's a service animal we let them bring it into the room with them.

Also, there was an article not that long ago (Seattle Times?) about service animals. One guy had a boa constrictor he took everywhere with him. For his "seizures" IIRC.
 
2014-07-30 01:45:46 AM  

Jim_Callahan: ..it's the same love I have for ...my reactors...


You keep a couple of nuclear reactors around the house?
 
2014-07-30 01:46:29 AM  
Here you go:

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2010091144_serviceanimals19m. ht ml


/ Evidently I think 5 years ago is "not that long ago"
 
2014-07-30 01:46:59 AM  

noitsnot: OgreMagi: The biggest flaw I see is people might go through the online database searching for a service dog that matches their pet.  Not sure how to prevent that.

Not browsable.  Must enter a code that corresponds to an animal, which are not predictable, sequential numbers (i.e. our friend the UUID).  So hard to guess a valid one randomly.


As long as they don't do something stupid like assign numbers based on dog type.  A long and purely random number (letters too) would work out well.  However, this would have to be done at the federal level, and you just know those morons would implement a number scheme that includes all kinds of information about the animal.
 
2014-07-30 01:47:20 AM  

tjsands1118: Jim_Callahan: // I love my dogs as much as the next guy, but it's the same love I have for my car, my reactors, or hanging out on the river. Fundamentally they're not people, they're property, and they don't have a legal or moral right to hang out wherever they want.

As the next guy seems to be me, I'm calling bullshiat. My dog is not just a piece of property, he is not a person, but he is a living being with his own life that he happily gives up just to be my pet. I would give anything for him and he would do the same for me.

/Seriously, after these one, just stop, you don't deserve a dog.


Yes, because the dog has the ability to fully comprehend the situation and make an informed decision regarding his future.

Stop anthropomorphizing an animal.

/dog person
 
TWX
2014-07-30 01:48:59 AM  

OgreMagi: The biggest flaw I see is people might go through the online database searching for a service dog that matches their pet.  Not sure how to prevent that.


I have a solution, issue the permit to the patient, not to the animal. That's how handicapped placards and plates work- they're issued to the patient by prescription and then that prescription is "filled" by the motor vehicle department, and when abused and actually caught, can result in fines.

Since service dogs and other service animals usually have clothing in some form on them identifying their status, require that the clothing item or the harness have the permit attached. No permit, no requirement to honor the animal as a service animal. Have the permit feature a picture of the patient too, so that permits can't be traded very easily.
 
2014-07-30 01:49:49 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: Yeah those will work about as well as 215 cards here in No CA. Everyone has one. 90% of them are comeplete horseshiat.


Do you think everyone knows what a 215 is?
 
2014-07-30 01:49:50 AM  

Jim_Callahan:   Fundamentally they're not people, they're property, and they don't have a legal or moral right to hang out wherever they want.


If a corporation can be a person, I don't see why your dogs can't be people.  Speaking of people, why don't we have "service people"?  Companions/youngers?  We have mentors for the young ones.  There are a lot of un-underemployed, this would be a win-win.
I saw an older woman trying to go to the post office the other day, she drove up in her Pontiac.  I went to lunch and came out to my car again and there she was at the post office still and in a different parking slot.  These are good people who are all alone.
 
2014-07-30 01:54:41 AM  

TWX: OgreMagi: The biggest flaw I see is people might go through the online database searching for a service dog that matches their pet.  Not sure how to prevent that.

I have a solution, issue the permit to the patient, not to the animal. That's how handicapped placards and plates work- they're issued to the patient by prescription and then that prescription is "filled" by the motor vehicle department, and when abused and actually caught, can result in fines.

Since service dogs and other service animals usually have clothing in some form on them identifying their status, require that the clothing item or the harness have the permit attached. No permit, no requirement to honor the animal as a service animal. Have the permit feature a picture of the patient too, so that permits can't be traded very easily.


There's a thriving online business selling fake service dog vests and certificates.  Because the law currently prevents anyone from properly questioning credentials, there needs to be some process in place to verify the dog.  Thus my suggestion.
 
2014-07-30 01:59:22 AM  

OgreMagi: Here's my solution to the problem.  Your properly trained and certified dog is issued a serial number.  You must provide this number on demand (a tag on the collar should do).  The dog will have an online profile which will include a picture, description, and the info on how the dog is trained as a service dog (what you are legally allowed to ask).
No, your farking rat doesn't get certified as an anxiety helper.  It's vermin.


Registration and regulation is just a first step toward confiscating all the service animals and enslaving all the people, like the Nazis did.  First they came for my rat, then the jews.
 
2014-07-30 01:59:37 AM  
This sounds like bad news for my service bacteria.
 
2014-07-30 02:00:52 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: tjsands1118: Jim_Callahan: // I love my dogs as much as the next guy, but it's the same love I have for my car, my reactors, or hanging out on the river. Fundamentally they're not people, they're property, and they don't have a legal or moral right to hang out wherever they want.

As the next guy seems to be me, I'm calling bullshiat. My dog is not just a piece of property, he is not a person, but he is a living being with his own life that he happily gives up just to be my pet. I would give anything for him and he would do the same for me.

/Seriously, after these one, just stop, you don't deserve a dog.

Yes, because the dog has the ability to fully comprehend the situation and make an informed decision regarding his future.

Stop anthropomorphizing an animal.

/dog person


Well, they can sniff drugs and differentiate between handlers and prisoners.  What more do you want?  Differnentiate between broccoli and steak?
 
2014-07-30 02:02:58 AM  

tjsands1118: As the next guy seems to be me, I'm calling bullshiat. My dog is not just a piece of property, he is not a person, but he is a living being with his own life that he happily gives up just to be my pet. I would give anything for him and he would do the same for me.


Firstly, no, it wouldn't.  It's a dog.  It wouldn't give anything to you beyond trained and innate pack behavior, which would relatively easily be transferred to the next owner if your stopped feeding it for a month or two.

Secondly, I think you're mistaking clinical mental instability for attachment, a bit, there.


Spermbot: You keep a couple of nuclear reactors around the house?


Right idea, wrong branch of engineering.  Point is, humans anthropomorphize and value anything they've spent a lot of time and effort on, it's just how we organize our worldviews by default and at the extreme end it's where religions come from when someone's out there enough to do it to the damned weather.

The idea that your dog feels human-equivalent love for you is about as real a thing as someone that's restored a classic car assigning it a gender and pretending the engine turning over smoothly is a purr of happiness.  It ain't the dog, it's just another version of your talking to yourself.

This isn't to talk down dogs... they're domestic animals, they've got their own animal stuff going on and it's not  their fault some people lose perspective easily.  But they don't actually have the sunk costs fallacy, they have imprinting and pack behavior, which is a superficially similar but ultimately very different thing.


ski9600: Speaking of people, why don't we have "service people"?  Companions/youngers?


Actually, this is a pretty funny idea.  Technically, your annoying bratty kid that won't shut up is an animal, someone should get their two-year-old classed as a service animal and troll restaurant owners that try to kick them out, bar owners that ban children, etc.

Bonus points if they go with the comfort animal angle.
 
2014-07-30 02:04:13 AM  
Like 10 years ago I had a part time second job as a mall security guard. I mostly worked overnight when the mall was closed so it was alright. I basically wandered around the dark mall or hung out on the roof, smoking cigarettes, and watched people trying to drunkenly drive out of Applebees. I also did a lot of community college homework.

But anyway, when I did work during operating hours, we were forbidden from questioning any animal's service qualifications. Someone won a court battle after feeling harassed, or something, I can't recall, but it was forbidden. I don't know if things have changed, but at the time you could have walked through the place with a pack of the meanest pitbulls on chains and we would have avoided you entirely.
 
2014-07-30 02:04:42 AM  

Lumber Jack Off: CasperImproved: lewismarktwo: You aren't even allowed to ask for the certification so it's pretty pointless either way.

And how do you know this?

it's SOP for most places. I've worked at a couple of large retailers and that was always one of the first things they told us n00bs on the first day of orientation.


It's not just SOP, it's the law.  Originally it was allowed to ask three questions.  Recently the law was amended to only allow two of the three -- "Does this animal help you with a disability?" and "How?" (the no-longer-permissible question is "Do you have a disability?")

The law explicitly does not require (or permit anyone else to require) the owner to show any paperwork, provide any information, or take any action other than answering the two (formerly three) permissible questions, precisely to avoid any possibility of harassment.  (E.g. making the animal perform some feat, loudly nitpicking paperwork, etc.)  I believe federal law also explicitly says an animal is not required to be indicated, marked or tagged in any way as a service animal, for the same reason.

(I have a friend whose wife has hearing problems, and has a hearing dog -- they deal with all this regularly.)
 
2014-07-30 02:07:52 AM  
Hint: The one that smells like meat is the steak. The one that smells like warm farts is the broccoli.  Let's don't talk about asparagus.
 
2014-07-30 02:09:42 AM  

OgreMagi: TWX: Good good, we're just about to reach critical-mass, where it'll get so bad that it actually gets fixed.

/a couple of acquaintances breed and raise golden retrievers as service dogs
//it takes probably 1/3 of the dog's life to get it trained properly
///and a good portion of them don't end up getting good enough to use anyway

A friend of mine trains service dogs.  The one she's training at the moment she doesn't think will make the final cut.  "Too needy" were her exact words.  However, the dog will make an awesome pet for some lucky kid one day.  If I had the time for a dog, I'd take her.  I'll stick with my cats.  Who's needy requirements are limited to, "open the farking can, asshole!"


My inlaws took in puppies and retired guide dogs for the blind. Their favourite was a golden lab who flunked out for being too friendly.
 
2014-07-30 02:14:27 AM  

Kensey: Lumber Jack Off: CasperImproved: lewismarktwo: You aren't even allowed to ask for the certification so it's pretty pointless either way.

And how do you know this?

it's SOP for most places. I've worked at a couple of large retailers and that was always one of the first things they told us n00bs on the first day of orientation.

It's not just SOP, it's the law.  Originally it was allowed to ask three questions.  Recently the law was amended to only allow two of the three -- "Does this animal help you with a disability?" and "How?" (the no-longer-permissible question is "Do you have a disability?")

The law explicitly does not require (or permit anyone else to require) the owner to show any paperwork, provide any information, or take any action other than answering the two (formerly three) permissible questions, precisely to avoid any possibility of harassment.  (E.g. making the animal perform some feat, loudly nitpicking paperwork, etc.)  I believe federal law also explicitly says an animal is not required to be indicated, marked or tagged in any way as a service animal, for the same reason.

(I have a friend whose wife has hearing problems, and has a hearing dog -- they deal with all this regularly.)



Yep, this is the problem. That law virtually begs people to abuse it, so people will.
 
2014-07-30 02:14:32 AM  
I think this is hilarious. I would totally do it.
 
2014-07-30 02:17:10 AM  
I have a neighbor with a very aggressive German Shepherd. Attempts by the community to get the dog impounded were not successful because the owner was able to claim it's a service dog. No one believes it, but no one wants to get sued either. It's a bullshiat law, and it needs to change to prevent abuse.
 
2014-07-30 02:19:39 AM  
Haven't read the thread, so sorry if this has already been asked, but why is one no allowed to ask for proof? For any other privilege: hunting, fishing, driving on public roads, I would have to produce a license.

Second question: if someone were to know that a certain breed of dog or other animal could not *possibly* function as a true service animal, is there anything preventing an employee from simply saying: "Your purse-chihuahua is not a service animal; stop insulting my intelligence and get the hell out!"?
 
2014-07-30 02:20:43 AM  

Kensey: Lumber Jack Off: CasperImproved: lewismarktwo: You aren't even allowed to ask for the certification so it's pretty pointless either way.

And how do you know this?

it's SOP for most places. I've worked at a couple of large retailers and that was always one of the first things they told us n00bs on the first day of orientation.

It's not just SOP, it's the law.  Originally it was allowed to ask three questions.  Recently the law was amended to only allow two of the three -- "Does this animal help you with a disability?" and "How?" (the no-longer-permissible question is "Do you have a disability?")

The law explicitly does not require (or permit anyone else to require) the owner to show any paperwork, provide any information, or take any action other than answering the two (formerly three) permissible questions, precisely to avoid any possibility of harassment.  (E.g. making the animal perform some feat, loudly nitpicking paperwork, etc.)  I believe federal law also explicitly says an animal is not required to be indicated, marked or tagged in any way as a service animal, for the same reason.

(I have a friend whose wife has hearing problems, and has a hearing dog -- they deal with all this regularly.)


So just the "...five questions...", "Three, sir..."...
 
TWX
2014-07-30 02:23:31 AM  

OgreMagi: TWX: OgreMagi: The biggest flaw I see is people might go through the online database searching for a service dog that matches their pet.  Not sure how to prevent that.

I have a solution, issue the permit to the patient, not to the animal. That's how handicapped placards and plates work- they're issued to the patient by prescription and then that prescription is "filled" by the motor vehicle department, and when abused and actually caught, can result in fines.

Since service dogs and other service animals usually have clothing in some form on them identifying their status, require that the clothing item or the harness have the permit attached. No permit, no requirement to honor the animal as a service animal. Have the permit feature a picture of the patient too, so that permits can't be traded very easily.

There's a thriving online business selling fake service dog vests and certificates.  Because the law currently prevents anyone from properly questioning credentials, there needs to be some process in place to verify the dog.  Thus my suggestion.


Then license the patient, not the animal. Make the patient provide on demand state-issued ID that certifies them to use a guide dog or other service animal, and make the law reflect their need to provide that proof when asked, otherwise the property-rights of the tenant prevail.

I doubt that most patients that have gone through the process to get a license to have a service dog are going to 'fake it' with an untrained animal. Unlike driving, where the car is licensed in addition to the driver and cars are expected to be on the road, there's no expectation that an animal may be brought on to someone else's property. Licensing the patient would probably be enough since a lack of license means an automatic trespass warning from the tenant should they choose to do so.
 
2014-07-30 02:23:47 AM  
I'm waiting for someone to suffer a severe allergic reaction to a service pet then sue under the ADA for the business not accommodating their medical condition because they had to allow service animals thanks to the ADA

/legitimate service animals for blind people should obviously be allowed.
// therapy pets are bullshiat and those people should be arrested for abusing the system
 
TWX
2014-07-30 02:27:02 AM  

Kensey: Lumber Jack Off: CasperImproved: lewismarktwo: You aren't even allowed to ask for the certification so it's pretty pointless either way.

And how do you know this?

it's SOP for most places. I've worked at a couple of large retailers and that was always one of the first things they told us n00bs on the first day of orientation.

It's not just SOP, it's the law.  Originally it was allowed to ask three questions.  Recently the law was amended to only allow two of the three -- "Does this animal help you with a disability?" and "How?" (the no-longer-permissible question is "Do you have a disability?")

The law explicitly does not require (or permit anyone else to require) the owner to show any paperwork, provide any information, or take any action other than answering the two (formerly three) permissible questions, precisely to avoid any possibility of harassment.  (E.g. making the animal perform some feat, loudly nitpicking paperwork, etc.)  I believe federal law also explicitly says an animal is not required to be indicated, marked or tagged in any way as a service animal, for the same reason.

(I have a friend whose wife has hearing problems, and has a hearing dog -- they deal with all this regularly.)


Would licensing her as the patient, with state-issue ID and everything, help? If she drives or expects to purchase alcohol then she's already used to carrying ID; would presenting a durable plastic card as her license for her service animal when challenged solve it more easily than the current situation?
 
2014-07-30 02:28:28 AM  

Warlordtrooper: I'm waiting for someone to suffer a severe allergic reaction to a service pet then sue under the ADA for the business not accommodating their medical condition because they had to allow service animals thanks to the ADA

/legitimate service animals for blind people should obviously be allowed.
// therapy pets are bullshiat and those people should be arrested for abusing the system


Hear, hear!

I love my cat, and I'd take him everywhere if could... without being a selfish, entitled douche to everyone who doesn't feel the same way.

If the animal really can detect an incipient seizure, ok.
 
2014-07-30 02:29:12 AM  
To demonstrate the validity of diploma mills, pet certificates, and that diploma hanging on your "alternative" therapist's office wall I obtained a BA in Reiki for Charlie, the smartest and most deserving of our cats.

The diploma is in the name of Charlie LeChat. It cost nothing and took very little time thanks to Thunderwood College's  online programs which can be completed in just seconds. And they are cat friendly.
 
2014-07-30 02:37:49 AM  
My name is Bob Wiley and this is Gil.
/Baby steps.
 
2014-07-30 02:42:40 AM  

Jim_Callahan: tjsands1118: 
ski9600: Speaking of people, why don't we have "service people"?  Companions/youngers?

Actually, this is a pretty funny idea.  Technically, your annoying bratty kid that won't shut up is an animal, someone should get their two-year-old classed as a service animal and troll restaurant owners that try to kick them out, bar owners that ban children, etc.

Bonus points if they go with the comfort ani ...


No, I'm thinking of older persons (like 18-50YO) that could be employed and paid to be a companion for someone in the >65 range.  Arrange cleaning, shopping, make sure the bills are paid, hang out with them and the like.  So, for an older person maybe there's a government sponsored place where his or her family can go to hire someone like this.  Maybe someone that needs a jorb and would even live with this elder in a spare bedroom or whatever.  Someone that might need work and a place to stay, but won't be breaking laws.

/It's probably too much to ask.
 
2014-07-30 02:46:45 AM  
'Yes, i need my seabass with me at all times to pleasure me orally. See, he is certified.'
 
2014-07-30 02:53:24 AM  
I'm totally getting a dog for my gluten sensitivity.

*ducks*
 
2014-07-30 02:55:03 AM  

studebaker hoch: This is my emotional needs alligator.


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-30 02:57:07 AM  

I


MY REACTORS!

 
2014-07-30 03:09:46 AM  

Wolf892: Good, it's BS that apartment complexes can outright forbid pets.


Having a pet and enjoying my condo that does allow animals, I can see how some places would not want them. Owners may not care for them properly, leading to destroyed walls, furnishing, floors, etc, as well as pets that can be noisy on top of the destructive aspects. Some places would rather not deal with complaints at 3am on a Tuesday because their owner didn't come home and Fido is howling at the top of his lungs and scratching at the walls. Even owners who do care for their pets in places that have carpeting, it takes quite a bit of recovery effort to ensure the place is 100% dander/hair/fur free after the owner leaves, and if someone moves in who is allergic, it can cause some nasty health problems depending on the person's allergic reaction if there are hairs left in carpeting, duct work, or anywhere else animal hair can gather. Just like places can outright forbid smokers and restrict the number of guests you have, it is their property and they can run it within their legal rights and restrictions as declared by the contract and laws allow.
 
2014-07-30 03:16:49 AM  

DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.


You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.
 
2014-07-30 03:26:30 AM  

DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.


I have zero problem with service DOGS. "Service" animals like rats and cats and stuff, however, make me all stabby

Worse than people who claim a rat is a therapy animal are people like you. It's a dog, not a child. It evolved to have four paws to traverse terrain of all kinds, not to be stuffed into a stroller designed to carry a helpless infant or to be placed in a grocery cart. You live in the real world, where people get anxious around animals like that, even who think it is completely inappropriate to take Prissy into Best Buy or Kohls or wherever. Leave the animal at home--he likes it there so much he demonstrates it by leaving gifts on the rug.

Take your pet for a walk outside. Take it to the park. All we ask is that you follow leash laws and respect that a lot of us don't want you to bring Muffy or Princess or Edna or whatever stupid name you gave the dog into stores and places where non-service dogs aren't welcome.
 
2014-07-30 03:27:00 AM  

ski9600: Jim_Callahan: tjsands1118: 
ski9600: Speaking of people, why don't we have "service people"?  Companions/youngers?

Actually, this is a pretty funny idea.  Technically, your annoying bratty kid that won't shut up is an animal, someone should get their two-year-old classed as a service animal and troll restaurant owners that try to kick them out, bar owners that ban children, etc.

Bonus points if they go with the comfort ani ...

No, I'm thinking of older persons (like 18-50YO) that could be employed and paid to be a companion for someone in the >65 range.  Arrange cleaning, shopping, make sure the bills are paid, hang out with them and the like.  So, for an older person maybe there's a government sponsored place where his or her family can go to hire someone like this.  Maybe someone that needs a jorb and would even live with this elder in a spare bedroom or whatever.  Someone that might need work and a place to stay, but won't be breaking laws.

/It's probably too much to ask.


That exists, and the current employment market for it is borderline slavery. There's a reason those domestic helper positions are filled by immigrant women working for below minimum wage. With dodgy paperwork, at best.
 
2014-07-30 03:27:26 AM  
I want to start bringing my "service" bong and my "service" weed into movie theaters, restaurants, malls, and ballparks.
 
2014-07-30 04:15:01 AM  

Kensey: Lumber Jack Off: CasperImproved: lewismarktwo: You aren't even allowed to ask for the certification so it's pretty pointless either way.

And how do you know this?

it's SOP for most places. I've worked at a couple of large retailers and that was always one of the first things they told us n00bs on the first day of orientation.

It's not just SOP, it's the law.  Originally it was allowed to ask three questions.  Recently the law was amended to only allow two of the three -- "Does this animal help you with a disability?" and "How?" (the no-longer-permissible question is "Do you have a disability?")


Surely "Does this animal help you with a disability?" implicitly asks the "no-longer-permissible" question anyway? How would an animal help you with a disability when you don't have a disability?
 
2014-07-30 04:33:21 AM  

Ex-Texan: You have your yappy "service dog" for everyone to see, I carry my "service revolver" out in the open. Not a weiner fight or anything. Simple: control your dog, or I might lose control over my revolver. It has a lot more training than your dog.
/Not the first dog I've shot.
//Been bitten, by a pit bull,  so I guess we're pretty much even.
///Called 311, reported owners, dog impounded. Not the 1st time. Owners wound up moving. Fark the dog.


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2014-07-30 05:12:32 AM  
Currently the only animals permitted as service animals by the ADA are dogs and miniature horses. So that service giraffe is a non-starter.

I have a service dog, my seizure alerter. She is a Standard Poodle who loves her job. When I was hospitalized, she was brought to see me. She sat on my bed with me and greeted all the doctors and nurses on the floor, raising everyone's spirits.

Any type or breed of dog can be a service dog. A chihuahua will function perfectly well as a hearing dog, for instance. I knew one whose job was to smell things--his owner had no sense of smell and needed the dog to warn her of dangerous scents. I have seen pitbulls who worked as stability/balance dogs for people with balance issues.

No dog should be out of control in public. If it is, it needs to be removed immediately.

 After being around dogs and people, which would you prefer to deal with--a clean, well-mannered dog behaving and sitting quietly by its owner, or a bunch of screaming, filthy kids running wild? How about a pack of randy drunks?

Oh, BTW, allergies do not trump someone's need for a service animal.
 
GBB
2014-07-30 05:31:24 AM  
I used to have a helper monkey.  But, I lost him in an IKEA.
 
2014-07-30 05:34:13 AM  

Lumber Jack Off: CasperImproved: lewismarktwo: You aren't even allowed to ask for the certification so it's pretty pointless either way.

And how do you know this?

it's SOP for most places. I've worked at a couple of large retailers and that was always one of the first things they told us n00bs on the first day of orientation.


I asked because it just sounded like a stupid policy. I know a number of animal dependent people that would love to know this is true just so they CAN without justification take their pets with them on errands, lunch, dinner, etc.
 
2014-07-30 05:39:56 AM  

Lumber Jack Off: CasperImproved: lewismarktwo: You aren't even allowed to ask for the certification so it's pretty pointless either way.

And how do you know this?

it's SOP for most places. I've worked at a couple of large retailers and that was always one of the first things they told us n00bs on the first day of orientation.


I worked security for a while -- mostly baseball spring training and concert venues. Same thing here. Told to always let them in. Never question it. Even if it's a monkey. (Seriously)
 
2014-07-30 05:55:32 AM  

Khazar-Khum: I have a service dog, my seizure alerter. She is a Standard Poodle who loves her job. When I was hospitalized, she was brought to see me. She sat on my bed with me and greeted all the doctors and nurses on the floor, raising everyone's spirits.

Everyone was saddened when I executed her for failure to prevent my hospitalization, but as I explained to the doctors and nurses, I had to make an example of her. It's the only way the other service dogs would learn.

 
2014-07-30 06:08:11 AM  

Jim_Callahan: If the dog is  actually aggressive rather than you just being full of shiat, do you know what you  can do with a service animal?  Call the actual police or animal control and get it impounded, and possibly put down.

If you push it, that outcome's pretty much inevitable since human-safety statutes will trump the ADA every time (calling animal control, notably, is not 'questioning the credentials of the dog', and whether it gets killed is a matter of the dog's behavior and not mitigated by any cert), and after three or four pets or "therapy animals" getting put down make the national news the fakers will most likely cut it out.

// I love my dogs as much as the next guy, but it's the same love I have for my car, my reactors, or hanging out on the river.  Fundamentally they're not people, they're property, and they don't have a legal or moral right to hang out wherever they want.


You had me up until there. The self absorbed assholes who take advantage of other peoples ailments to take their pets everywhere with them aren't the kind of people that are going to stop pulling that shiat.
 
2014-07-30 06:11:03 AM  

Khazar-Khum: No dog should be out of control in public. If it is, it needs to be removed immediately.


Nice post.  But this sentence stood out.  You're absolutely correct.  And the way you can tell a properly trained service animal is that it won't be out of control.  Properly trained dogs are much more consistent in their behavior than humans.

I hope you're doing well after whatever your hospitalization was for.
 
2014-07-30 06:14:25 AM  

Khazar-Khum: After being around dogs and people, which would you prefer to deal with--a clean, well-mannered dog behaving and sitting quietly by its owner, or a bunch of screaming, filthy kids running wild? How about a pack of randy drunks?


Question 2: Which would you prefer--a first-class seat next to a supermodel on a Delta flight, or a coach class seat on Qantas surrounded by disgruntled lemurs carrying ebola? How about a ride in a JAL cargo bay completely filled with lice?
 
2014-07-30 06:39:07 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Khazar-Khum: After being around dogs and people, which would you prefer to deal with--a clean, well-mannered dog behaving and sitting quietly by its owner, or a bunch of screaming, filthy kids running wild? How about a pack of randy drunks?

Question 2: Which would you prefer--a first-class seat next to a supermodel on a Delta flight, or a coach class seat on Qantas surrounded by disgruntled lemurs carrying ebola? How about a ride in a JAL cargo bay completely filled with lice?


Can I just be strapped to the wing of a United plane covered in africanized bees dying of liver failure?

Maybe just impale me like a cocktail sausage on the top of an ICBM and slather me in radioactive placentas.
 
2014-07-30 06:45:08 AM  
This must be where police dogs get their "certification" too, because they're certainly not out there telling drugs from other-than-drugs.

/watch your butt, New Mexico
 
2014-07-30 06:51:07 AM  
TSA keeps taking my service goldfish, I don't know why I need it for my fear of heights.
 
2014-07-30 07:29:04 AM  

Snarfangel: I am the first to admit that some service dogs are useful.
[www.funnyanimalsite.com image 600x509]


My corgi needs this...
 
2014-07-30 07:29:31 AM  

Wolf892: Good, it's BS that apartment complexes can outright forbid pets.


You've never been a landlord, have you?  I like pets myself, but some people are farking irresponsible, and let their dogs poop in common areas, and don't clean up after them.  That gets old REAL quick.

And that's why some apartment complexes ban pets.  It ain't the animals, it's the humans...
 
2014-07-30 07:30:09 AM  
seattletimes.com

My service snake helps calm my nerves....
 
2014-07-30 07:32:14 AM  
Considering that there are no nationally recognized "certification programs" overseen by any recognized "board of standards" in the country, and the word "certified service dog" carries as much legal weight as "certified organic good", coupled with the fact that people are not allowed to ask for proof of anything once someone declares it's a service animal:

Online Service Animal Certification Mills -- sounds like a hell of a racket, and a completely legal way to suck up money from people who dress up their ferrets and carry their dogs in their purse.

Kind of like the guy selling plots of land on the moon.  Give me $30 for a piece of paper that has absolutely no legal standing whatsoever!
 
2014-07-30 07:32:44 AM  

maram500: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

I have zero problem with service DOGS. "Service" animals like rats and cats and stuff, however, make me all stabby

Worse than people who claim a rat is a therapy animal are people like you. It's a dog, not a child. It evolved to have four paws to traverse terrain of all kinds, not to be stuffed into a stroller designed to carry a helpless infant or to be placed in a grocery cart. You live in the real world, where people get anxious around animals like that, even who think it is completely inappropriate to take Prissy into Best Buy or Kohls or wherever. Leave the animal at home--he likes it there so much he demonstrates it by leaving gifts on the rug.

Take your pet for a walk outside. Take it to the park. All we ask is that you follow leash laws and respect that a lot of us don't want you to bring Muffy or Princess or Edna or whatever stupid name you gave the dog into stores and places where non-service dogs aren't welcome.


Chompy, my service shark, has no need of a leash, thank you very much.
 
2014-07-30 07:35:53 AM  
I went into a barber shop once with my dog. The barber said, "Whoa, whoa, whoa! The health department won't allow dogs in here unless it's a service dog. Is that a service dog?"

I thought he was giving me an 'out'. (And I found out later that the bit about the health department is BS.) I said "Yes".

While I was getting my haircut, he asked me what kind of service dog it was.

I jokingly said, "He helps prevent my homicidal rages."

The barber never said another word. He finished my haircut and took my money without even making eye contact.
 
2014-07-30 07:49:06 AM  

aagrajag: Haven't read the thread, so sorry if this has already been asked, but why is one no allowed to ask for proof? For any other privilege: hunting, fishing, driving on public roads, I would have to produce a license.

Second question: if someone were to know that a certain breed of dog or other animal could not *possibly* function as a true service animal, is there anything preventing an employee from simply saying: "Your purse-chihuahua is not a service animal; stop insulting my intelligence and get the hell out!"?


Yes.  There are two permissible questions that can be asked.  They aren't asked to hear the wind come from the person's mouth but to gather information.  That information is then used to make a determination on the validity of the claim.  The law lays it all out.  I would add that the way in which the person is told about the determination would probably be best to be something other than the way you put it, but yes.  It is allowed under the law.
 
2014-07-30 07:55:59 AM  

CasperImproved: I asked because it just sounded like a stupid policy. I know a number of animal dependent people that would love to know this is true just so they CAN without justification take their pets with them on errands, lunch, dinner, etc


It is SOP, but not well known, you will likely run into peopel who think they shoudl ask and make the call if the animal shoud be allowed in themselves.

aagrajag: Haven't read the thread, so sorry if this has already been asked, but why is one no allowed to ask for proof? For any other privilege: hunting, fishing, driving on public roads, I would have to produce a license.


Under ADA it isn't a privelege.

It is seen as akin to asking if you have a license fro crutches.

/not agreeing here, just pointing out my understanding of the law

Second question: if someone were to know that a certain breed of dog or other animal could not *possibly* function as a true service animal, is there anything preventing an employee from simply saying: "Your purse-chihuahua is not a service animal; stop insulting my intelligence and get the hell out!"?


Sevice animal now reaches to calming people down, so any animal can do it.
 
2014-07-30 08:34:07 AM  
My mother in law has done this just so she can bring her stupid cocker spaniel everywhere with her. I hate her.
 
2014-07-30 08:36:56 AM  
Newson6 has become the most outragiously conservative "news" agency in my city... they always post #%@! like this without verifying, and always use inflammatory language like "passed off as a service animal"... newson6, you're making a judgment there that the animal was not a service animal.  Since you can't question, you don't know!

/They used to be the best station in town, and have the best weather coverage... now, I never go to their website,
 
2014-07-30 08:43:30 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Firstly, no, it wouldn't. It's a dog. It wouldn't give anything to you beyond trained and innate pack behavior, which would relatively easily be transferred to the next owner if your stopped feeding it for a month or two.
Secondly, I think you're mistaking clinical mental instability for attachment, a bit, there.


You're a cold person, Callahan. Suddenly I just understood a whole lot more about how your mind works.

Only dogs are officially recognized as service animals.

This publication provides guidance on the term "service animal" and the service animal provisions in the Department's new regulations.
Beginning on March 15, 2011, only dogs are recognized as service animals under titles II and III of the ADA.
A service animal is a dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for a person with a disability.
Generally, title II and title III entities must permit service animals to accompany people with disabilities in all areas where members of the public are allowed to go.
 
2014-07-30 08:47:17 AM  
I just want my service midget
www.lisashea.com
 
2014-07-30 08:47:28 AM  

DarthBart: Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua. I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.


You have a chihuahua. You did drop a 5-lb turd on the floor.
 
2014-07-30 08:52:31 AM  
So how has the collision of anti-pit bull laws gone with service pit bulls?
 
2014-07-30 09:09:22 AM  

Ex-Texan: You have your yappy "service dog" for everyone to see, I carry my "service revolver" out in the open. Not a weiner fight or anything. Simple: control your dog, or I might lose control over my revolver. It has a lot more training than your dog.
/Not the first dog I've shot.
//Been bitten, by a pit bull,  so I guess we're pretty much even.
///Called 311, reported owners, dog impounded. Not the 1st time. Owners wound up moving. Fark the dog.


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-30 09:09:34 AM  

rbuzby:
Registration and regulation is just a first step toward confiscating all the service animals and enslaving all the people, like the Nazis did.  First they came for my rat, then the jews.


www.theglobeandmail.com
 
2014-07-30 09:54:17 AM  
ski9600:  Speaking of people, why don't we have "service people"?  Companions/youngers?

They do have them. Check out "Comfort Keepers." They sit there and talk to you, do chores, etc. There are a lot of companies/groups like them, too.
 
2014-07-30 10:01:46 AM  

Warlordtrooper: // therapy pets are bullshiat and those people should be arrested for abusing the system



Wow, kind of a jerkish thing to say. Even if you were confusing therapy dogs with service dogs (they are different) your statement is still jerkish. Therapy dogs are meant to actually help people. Not hinder you. It's not about you. It's about the elderly in old folks homes, it's about people who have suffered a severe trauma... It's a proven fact that dogs can help people cope, especially when they are trained to calmly sit, not be bothered by loud noises (trains, gunshots, etc), and interact with people who may have trouble talking to other people.

Once again, it's not about you and your dislike of animals or whatever. Sorry.

/has a dog in therapy class
//I know the distinction between therapy and service/assistant dog
///I think all dogs should have advanced obedience training if they are out in public around the elderly or children
 
2014-07-30 10:08:42 AM  
My girlfriend does this.  She had me photoshop fake tags with the dogs' pictures on them, so she could claim they're official service dogs, to take them into restaurants and hotels.  Her dogs are well-trained, but I can't convince her that that's not okay.
 
2014-07-30 10:10:22 AM  

The Banana Thug: I have a neighbor with a very aggressive German Shepherd. Attempts by the community to get the dog impounded were not successful because the owner was able to claim it's a service dog. No one believes it, but no one wants to get sued either. It's a bullshiat law, and it needs to change to prevent abuse.


Well I suppose he can keep claiming that to keep it. But if he were to take it into an establishment and it was being a nuisance or aggressive, the establishment does have the right to ask *the person* to be removed. They can't legally remove just *the dog*. If the dog pees and poos on the floor, that is also a time where the employees or whatever in that public place can tell the person to GTFO.

The cops can then be called on the *person* for creating an unsafe environment in that establishment.

At least, this was how it was explained to me in the therapy dog classes I attend. I suppose it all comes down to interpretation of the law, which is very dry when read, and apparently is hard to be implemented.

I do think that there should be more flexibility; for instance, service animals are supposed to have a card. But establishments can't legally ask to see it. Which I find interesting. I could pass my therapy dog off for a service animal, which I don't think is correct. I have no medical issue that requires my dog to assist me. I suppose if you were doing something like getting onto a plane, you may have to provide. I'm not sure on that though.

/finds this an interesting topic
 
2014-07-30 10:11:50 AM  

Shepherd: My girlfriend does this.  She had me photoshop fake tags with the dogs' pictures on them, so she could claim they're official service dogs, to take them into restaurants and hotels.  Her dogs are well-trained, but I can't convince her that that's not okay.


Yeah, when I was asking for clarification as to how far my dog could go in therapy classes--could we go into all these public places??--they said I had to have a medical condition. Then someone said "Just claim PTSD, everyone is claiming that these days."

That was an awful thing to suggest, to me. Can see how some people would do it, 'just cause I can!!1' ...but wow. No. That's not my style.
 
2014-07-30 10:20:01 AM  

Shepherd: My girlfriend does this.  She had me photoshop fake tags with the dogs' pictures on them, so she could claim they're official service dogs, to take them into restaurants and hotels.  Her dogs are well-trained, but I can't convince her that that's not okay.


Maybe you could have not done something you felt was wrong?
 
2014-07-30 10:33:39 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Maybe you could have not done something you felt was wrong?


He can't help it. He's a shepherd, they're incredibly obedient. Smart too--how many dogs do you know of that can use photoshop?
 
2014-07-30 10:46:12 AM  
CSB: My mom printed and laminated a somewhat official looking card she copied from the internet so she can push her little mini poodle around in a dog carriage as a "therapy" dog. The dog is nice and loves even heavy-handed attention from kids, AND it's sealed in its carriage in a mesh box so nobody has actual access to it, BUT it's still crap that she does it.

CSB2: While at an all day Ikea outing, my dad (mid 70s) was carrying his 2yr old granddaughter when he had a Doberman seriously growl and lunge at him (it had a gentle-leader on its muzzle) while he was slowly perusing kitchenwares. The tiny owner was shouting "Nein!" at her dog she barely had control of. Her teenage daughters missed the event, and we heard them inquire what happened and the mom said "he made a move", referring to my dad. Other people saw the what happened, reported it, and the lady was escorted out of the store. It was all pretty surreal. My mother did not manage to draw any parallels from the event.
 
2014-07-30 11:00:02 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Maybe you could have not done something you felt was wrong?


Bah, I have no guilt, it was her idea.  I just do what I need to, to keep her happy.  I'm a fool in love.  (Although I suspect she loves the dogs more.)
 
2014-07-30 11:17:24 AM  
What I don't get are the people who think that simply getting the dog/bunny/whatever certified means that they can take it any damn where they please.

It's not a "my dog is well behaved" card.  It's a two-part process, involving not only getting (or training) a proper therapy animal, but also a prescription, from a legitimate MEDICAL professional to "get (or train) a therapy animal and take it along in situations where it would be therapeutic."

I know this is being abused because I know someone who got their dog certified as a therapy dog and believes that the certification is enough to entitle the dog to go everywhere.  (The dog does provide therapy in several volunteer programs, just not to its owner).
 
2014-07-30 11:18:04 AM  
FnkyTwn: ... as a "therapy" dog.

Service dog. Therapy dogs don't have cards, and they can't go in public places like service animals. We can go in nursing facilities and places like that which invite us in or where therapy dogs are openly welcomed.

Just FYI.
 
2014-07-30 11:41:36 AM  

Mr. Right: Khazar-Khum: No dog should be out of control in public. If it is, it needs to be removed immediately.

Nice post.  But this sentence stood out.  You're absolutely correct.  And the way you can tell a properly trained service animal is that it won't be out of control.  Properly trained dogs are much more consistent in their behavior than humans.

I hope you're doing well after whatever your hospitalization was for.


Want to add to this. The way you can tell a properly trained service animal is you don't even notice it. I've seen quite a few service animals, specifically for PTSD, with only a few actually being properly trained service animals. The majority I've run into are untrained for any specific tasks, but are brought along just because they make the person feel secure. I've had some therapy session where half the session was trying to keep the dog under control, and I've had others where the dog wasn't even noticable.

Properly trained, I'm all for them. They assist with panic attacks, nightmares, and dissociative episodes. They also can decrease anxiety by placing themselves between the individual and a group of people. However, the training costs A LOT. What I have a problem is when someone buys a vest, throws it on their pet, and says it's a service dog.
 
2014-07-30 11:43:45 AM  
Do "hearing dogs" speak English? If not, couldn't you just get a hearing goldfish and save a ton of money?
 
2014-07-30 12:08:43 PM  

Warlordtrooper: I'm waiting for someone to suffer a severe allergic reaction to a service pet then sue under the ADA for the business not accommodating their medical condition because they had to allow service animals thanks to the ADA

/legitimate service animals for blind people should obviously be allowed.
// therapy pets are bullshiat and those people should be arrested for abusing the system


therapy pets DO NOT share the same rights under the ADA that service dogs do.
 
2014-07-30 12:10:07 PM  
People who cannot or don't have the skills to relate to other humans act like their animals are people. They couldn't care less if they make other humans sick by dragging them everywhere. There are health reasons that they aren't welcome in food establishments.

Here comes the reason....THEY ARE ANIMALS. Not humans or human replacements.

If I am ever so pathetic as to walk around with an animal in a baby/pet stroller, please put me out of my misery.
 
2014-07-30 12:17:18 PM  

maram500: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

I have zero problem with service DOGS. "Service" animals like rats and cats and stuff, however, make me all stabby

Worse than people who claim a rat is a therapy animal are people like you. It's a dog, not a child. It evolved to have four paws to traverse terrain of all kinds, not to be stuffed into a stroller designed to carry a helpless infant or to be placed in a grocery cart. You live in the real world, where people get anxious around animals like that, even who think it is completely inappropriate to take Prissy into Best Buy or Kohls or wherever. Leave the animal at home--he likes it there so much he demonstrates it by leaving gifts on the rug.

Take your pet for a walk outside. Take it to the park. All we ask is that you follow leash laws and respect that a lot of us don't want you to bring Muffy or Princess or Edna or whatever stupid name you gave the dog into stores and places where non-service dogs aren't welcome.


THERAPY animals have no rights under the ADA, its even spelled out in it.
 
2014-07-30 12:18:29 PM  

studebaker hoch: This is my emotional needs alligator.


Did you forget the pic?
media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-30 12:20:14 PM  
I still think this is perfectly workable:

1) Business owner asks unwanted person to leave premises
2) Business owner does not provide any reason, as they are not required to
3) Burden of proof is on the unwanted person to show that this was illegal

Yes it's true you can't refuse service to protected classes of people, but who's job is it to prove that you did or didn't?
 
2014-07-30 12:24:23 PM  

PunGent: maram500: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

I have zero problem with service DOGS. "Service" animals like rats and cats and stuff, however, make me all stabby

Worse than people who claim a rat is a therapy animal are people like you. It's a dog, not a child. It evolved to have four paws to traverse terrain of all kinds, not to be stuffed into a stroller designed to carry a helpless infant or to be placed in a grocery cart. You live in the real world, where people get anxious around animals like that, even who think it is completely inappropriate to take Prissy into Best Buy or Kohls or wherever. Leave the animal at home--he likes it there so much he demonstrates it by leaving gifts on the rug.

Take your pet for a walk outside. Take it to the park. All we ask is that you follow leash laws and respect that a lot of us don't want you to bring Muffy or Princess or Edna or whatever stupid name you gave the dog into stores and places where non-service dogs aren't welcome.

Chompy, my service shark, has no need of a leash, thank you very much.


I want to give you a gold star. Or a hug. I don't know which right now. Let me consult my service mother.
 
2014-07-30 12:31:48 PM  

xtech: maram500: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

I have zero problem with service DOGS. "Service" animals like rats and cats and stuff, however, make me all stabby

Worse than people who claim a rat is a therapy animal are people like you. It's a dog, not a child. It evolved to have four paws to traverse terrain of all kinds, not to be stuffed into a stroller designed to carry a helpless infant or to be placed in a grocery cart. You live in the real world, where people get anxious around animals like that, even who think it is completely inappropriate to take Prissy into Best Buy or Kohls or wherever. Leave the animal at home--he likes it there so much he demonstrates it by leaving gifts on the rug.

Take your pet for a walk outside. Take it to the park. All we ask is that you follow leash laws and respect that a lot of us don't want you to bring Muffy or Princess or Edna or whatever stupid name you gave the dog into stores and places where non-service dogs aren't welcome.

THERAPY animals have no rights under the ADA, its even spelled out in it.


My apologies, I misspoke. I meant service animals, but I was typing it out very early in the morning while on medication that by all rights should have knocked me out.

To be fair, back when I was in grad school the university brought therapy dogs onto campus for finals week. I met a friendly golden retriever ("Bubba," maybe?) who was just, like, the best. That dog was so nice I wish I could have brought it out drinking. Thing is, all I did with him was sit on the library floor with him and rub his back--and he just laid there, content as could be, and smiled. He did try to nibble on my cane though... But it made that whole week--the one where I pulled a twenty-page paper out of my ass in twelve hours--so much better.

/Have had a huge fear of dogs all my life
 
2014-07-30 12:53:28 PM  

maram500: xtech: maram500: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

I have zero problem with service DOGS. "Service" animals like rats and cats and stuff, however, make me all stabby

Worse than people who claim a rat is a therapy animal are people like you. It's a dog, not a child. It evolved to have four paws to traverse terrain of all kinds, not to be stuffed into a stroller designed to carry a helpless infant or to be placed in a grocery cart. You live in the real world, where people get anxious around animals like that, even who think it is completely inappropriate to take Prissy into Best Buy or Kohls or wherever. Leave the animal at home--he likes it there so much he demonstrates it by leaving gifts on the rug.

Take your pet for a walk outside. Take it to the park. All we ask is that you follow leash laws and respect that a lot of us don't want you to bring Muffy or Princess or Edna or whatever stupid name you gave the dog into stores and places where non-service dogs aren't welcome.

THERAPY animals have no rights under the ADA, its even spelled out in it.

My apologies, I misspoke. I meant service animals, but I was typing it out very early in the morning while on medication that by all rights should have knocked me out.

To be fair, back when I was in grad school the university brought therapy dogs onto campus for finals week. I met a friendly golden retriever ("Bubba," maybe?) who was just, like, the best. That dog was so nice I wish I could have brought it out drinking. Thing is, all I did with him was sit on the library floor with him and rub his back--and he just laid there, content as could be, and smiled. He did try to ...


no need to apologize. ive printed out the ADA and shown a few businesses around me that therapy animals do not get the same rights as service animals. he had complained to me (he is the GM for a big home repair store..) about the influx of soccer moms in the area (it is a rich neighborhood) claiming therapy animal bla bla. 

After he saw it in the ADA, he knew what he could ask and what he couldnt ask. since the persons bringing in the animals have specifically said THERAPY animal, he has been booting them out and banning their animals. 

/he aint worried about lawsuits, everythings recorded and the person(s) are on tape saying therapy animal
 
2014-07-30 01:05:55 PM  
Didn't read the article, just saw the headline, and immediately came here to tell this joke:

Two women are out walking their dogs when they pass a bar. "I'm thirsty," says the first woman. "Let's go in that bar and have a drink." "We can't," says the second woman. "We have our dogs with us." "Just follow my lead," says the first woman.

So the first woman puts on a big pair of sunglasses and starts to walk into the bar. "I'm sorry," says the bouncer. "You can't bring your dog in here." "I am blind, this is my seeing eye dog," the woman answers. "Really? They're using Great Danes as seeing eye dogs now?" asks the bouncer. "Oh sure," the woman says. "They use all kinds of dogs these days. Great Danes make great seeing eye dogs." So he lets her in.

The second woman watches this and decides to do the same thing. She puts on a big pair of sunglasses and starts to walk into the bar. "I'm sorry," says the bouncer. "You can't bring your dog in here." "I am blind, this is my seeing eye dog," the woman answers. "Really? They're using chihuahuas as seeing eye dogs now?" asks the bouncer. "Chihuahua?" says the woman. "THEY GAVE ME A FARKING CHIHUAHUA?"
 
2014-07-30 01:09:26 PM  

xtech: no need to apologize. ive printed out the ADA and shown a few businesses around me that therapy animals do not get the same rights as service animals. he had complained to me (he is the GM for a big home repair store..) about the influx of soccer moms in the area (it is a rich neighborhood) claiming therapy animal bla bla.

After he saw it in the ADA, he knew what he could ask and what he couldnt ask. since the persons bringing in the animals have specifically said THERAPY animal, he has been booting them out and banning their animals.

/he aint worried about lawsuits, everythings recorded and the person(s) are on tape saying therapy animal


I imagine there are more than a few people who just take their dogs with them anywhere they go and respond to anyone asking why they have a dog with them with a stupid face and a "he's my therapy dog." Too bad "I didn't want Roscoe to shiat on my carpet" isn't an actual therapy provided by animals.
 
2014-07-30 01:45:07 PM  

OgreMagi: TWX: OgreMagi: The biggest flaw I see is people might go through the online database searching for a service dog that matches their pet.  Not sure how to prevent that.

I have a solution, issue the permit to the patient, not to the animal. That's how handicapped placards and plates work- they're issued to the patient by prescription and then that prescription is "filled" by the motor vehicle department, and when abused and actually caught, can result in fines.

Since service dogs and other service animals usually have clothing in some form on them identifying their status, require that the clothing item or the harness have the permit attached. No permit, no requirement to honor the animal as a service animal. Have the permit feature a picture of the patient too, so that permits can't be traded very easily.

There's a thriving online business selling fake service dog vests and certificates.  Because the law currently prevents anyone from properly questioning credentials, there needs to be some process in place to verify the dog.  Thus my suggestion.


To clarify, fake vs real is a red herring. By law, there is not a service animal licensing or registration reqt at the federal level. Any vests, badges, or papers are simply a convenience that helps advertise the animal is working and is not to be challenged.

Also, people conflate service animals with guide dogs. They are not the same, guide dogs are a special subset of service animals.

I own a service dog which has completed a "certified" service dog training program, it gives us a nice official looking document that we can flash at people, but nothing prevents us from making our own document from The ACME Wile E Coyote school. The most helpful item we carry is a direct print of the state and federal regs that we can show the occasional busybody to nicely fark off.

It's a lesser of 2 evils situation...costly govt bureaucracy and enforcement to cover every special needs case and situation burdening the very same poor and disabled people that are trying to be helped? Or live with the occasional fake service Fifi in a restaurant?

Quit your biatching, if the animal is unruly or a danger you can kick the owner out, just as if it were a real obnoxious customer. Otherwise, they have a right to be there in your establishment.

/obligatory love it or leave it comment
/more gubmint? What is ya, a socialist?
 
2014-07-30 01:52:42 PM  

noitsnot: I still think this is perfectly workable:

1) Business owner asks unwanted person to leave premises
2) Business owner does not provide any reason, as they are not required to
3) Burden of proof is on the unwanted person to show that this was illegal

Yes it's true you can't refuse service to protected classes of people, but who's job is it to prove that you did or didn't?


Item 3...

So I'm required to carry the bill of rights with me, just in case a store doesn't want to serve "my kind"? Can I at least say "cite" before the bouncer throws me out?
 
2014-07-30 02:01:38 PM  

Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.


You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?
 
2014-07-30 02:05:57 PM  

Ferrous Capuchin: noitsnot: I still think this is perfectly workable:

1) Business owner asks unwanted person to leave premises
2) Business owner does not provide any reason, as they are not required to
3) Burden of proof is on the unwanted person to show that this was illegal

Yes it's true you can't refuse service to protected classes of people, but who's job is it to prove that you did or didn't?

Item 3...

So I'm required to carry the bill of rights with me, just in case a store doesn't want to serve "my kind"? Can I at least say "cite" before the bouncer throws me out?


Yeah, I dunno.  It's the right of the property owner to control access to his land versus the right of a protected class member to be equally served.  It's all down to the "reason why" the owner ejected the customer.

Must the business owner provide a reason why they don't want to serve someone?  I don't think so.

Could the ejected person then study the pattern of service refusal over time and argue that this business seems to discriminate against their protected class?  Probably.
 
2014-07-30 02:13:51 PM  
ts1.mm.bing.net
Took my service fish to the beach.
Didn't end well.
 
2014-07-30 04:23:14 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: tjsands1118: Jim_Callahan: // I love my dogs as much as the next guy, but it's the same love I have for my car, my reactors, or hanging out on the river. Fundamentally they're not people, they're property, and they don't have a legal or moral right to hang out wherever they want.

As the next guy seems to be me, I'm calling bullshiat. My dog is not just a piece of property, he is not a person, but he is a living being with his own life that he happily gives up just to be my pet. I would give anything for him and he would do the same for me.

/Seriously, after these one, just stop, you don't deserve a dog.

Yes, because the dog has the ability to fully comprehend the situation and make an informed decision regarding his future.

Stop anthropomorphizing an animal.

/dog person


I think the point is the dog is intelligent enough and capable of bonding to a person and shows affection to that person. I have a half JRT half Rat Terrier mis and she loves her daddy. Maybe not the same way as humans love each other but more of an alpha/sub type thing. She goes to the door when its close to the time I usually get home and looses her shiat when I drive up. follows me around till I sit down to watch some tv then its up in the lap to snuggle. Shes my gal and there isn't any anthropomorphizing going on here shes just bonded with me and I know it.
 
2014-07-30 04:51:14 PM  

aagrajag: Haven't read the thread, so sorry if this has already been asked, but why is one no allowed to ask for proof? For any other privilege: hunting, fishing, driving on public roads, I would have to produce a license.

Second question: if someone were to know that a certain breed of dog or other animal could not *possibly* function as a true service animal, is there anything preventing an employee from simply saying: "Your purse-chihuahua is not a service animal; stop insulting my intelligence and get the hell out!"?


Quite possibly the best tempered and sweetest do I have met in my life is a pit bull named Xena. Anyone who says that breeds are vicious is full of crap its how you raise them. It the same as all the old racial stereotypes just bullshiat.
 
2014-07-30 05:45:42 PM  
What a service animal might look like:
api.ning.com
and fark you if you say otherwise, or even ask.
 
2014-07-30 06:10:53 PM  

DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?


No, you're right... keep wheeling him around in his little doggy stroller. Everyone loves a good laugh.
 
2014-07-30 06:37:07 PM  

DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?


HOME? Leave him at HOME?
My God man, you mean treat him like...like a dog instead of a child?!
[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]


Ferrous Capuchin: It's a lesser of 2 evils situation...costly govt bureaucracy and enforcement to cover every special needs case and situation burdening the very same poor and disabled people that are trying to be helped? Or live with the occasional fake service Fifi in a restaurant?

Quit your biatching, if the animal is unruly or a danger you can kick the owner out, just as if it were a real obnoxious customer. Otherwise, they have a right to be there in your establishment.

/obligatory love it or leave it comment
/more gubmint? What is ya, a socialist?


Exactly, it's like...I don't know, take disabled parking for example. What kind of commie expects a guy to prove that he needs the disabled spot? What are they supposed to do, get some kind of approval from the gubmint before they're allowed to take advantage of special legal exceptions enforced by the gubmint? Can you imagine the massive and costly bureaucracy that it would take to accomplish such a thing? And the burden and embarrassment caused to people with disabilities if you were to make them use some kind of special marking or placard? That's what HITLER would do.
 
2014-07-30 06:40:27 PM  

Bawdy George: DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?

No, you're right... keep wheeling him around in his little doggy stroller. Everyone loves a good laugh.


Everyone does love him. He gets
lots of love, pets, and scritches.
 
2014-07-30 07:04:00 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?

HOME? Leave him at HOME?
My God man, you mean treat him like...like a dog instead of a child?!
[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]


Oh yeah.  I forgot.  I need to leave him tied up in the back yard in 100+ weather.  After all, he's just a dog.  I can get a new one when he dies.
 
2014-07-30 07:52:23 PM  

DarthBart: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?

HOME? Leave him at HOME?
My God man, you mean treat him like...like a dog instead of a child?!
[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]

Oh yeah.  I forgot.  I need to leave him tied up in the back yard in 100+ weather.  After all, he's just a dog.  I can get a new one when he dies.


Holy shiat. Now you're saying you would KILL your dog if you didn't take it everywhere in a stroller? If you can't manage to take care of a dog properly at your home, then you shouldn't have one in the first place.

But I would bet you do not actually have the sort of mental disability that would prevent you from dealing with this super-farking-difficult "care for a dog at home" conundrum that virtually every other dog owner in the world manages to solve. I'd bet it is just a feeble attempt to pretend you need to treat your rat-dog like a baby.
 
2014-07-30 08:07:45 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?

HOME? Leave him at HOME?
My God man, you mean treat him like...like a dog instead of a child?!
[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]

Oh yeah.  I forgot.  I need to leave him tied up in the back yard in 100+ weather.  After all, he's just a dog.  I can get a new one when he dies.

Holy shiat. Now you're saying you would KILL your dog if you didn't take it everywhere in a stroller? If you can't manage to take care of a dog properly at your home, then you shouldn't have one in the first place.

But I would bet you do not actually have the sort of mental disability that would prevent you from dealing with this super-farking-difficult "care for a dog at home" conundrum that virtually every other dog owner in the world manages to solve. I'd bet it is just a feeble attempt to pretend you need to treat your rat-dog like a baby.


Despite your try-out for the Anonymous Internet Dickbag Trophy, we are quite capable of taking care of a dog at home.  But, as I said, we can either leave him locked in a kennel for many hours while we're gone or take him with.  Or we can leave him out to run around with lots of separation anxiety so he can chew on the walls, crap everywhere, and generally tear shiat up.

Or should I just stare at welcometofark.jpg?
 
2014-07-30 08:26:39 PM  

DarthBart: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: DarthBart: Bawdy George: DarthBart: Screw it, we just take the dog in anyway.  Not into a grocery store or restaurant, but he goes into pretty much any other store.  Sometimes in his stroller, but most of the time just in the kiddie seat of the shopping cart.  Granted, he's a 5 pound chihuahua.  I don't think we could get away with it with a 200 pound Newfie that's liable to drop a 5 pound turd on the floor.

You take your rat-in-a-dog-suit everywhere? Must be an especially precious snowflake.

You'd rather I leave him home stuck in a kennel for 5-6 hours while we're out?

HOME? Leave him at HOME?
My God man, you mean treat him like...like a dog instead of a child?!
[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]

Oh yeah.  I forgot.  I need to leave him tied up in the back yard in 100+ weather.  After all, he's just a dog.  I can get a new one when he dies.

Holy shiat. Now you're saying you would KILL your dog if you didn't take it everywhere in a stroller? If you can't manage to take care of a dog properly at your home, then you shouldn't have one in the first place.

But I would bet you do not actually have the sort of mental disability that would prevent you from dealing with this super-farking-difficult "care for a dog at home" conundrum that virtually every other dog owner in the world manages to solve. I'd bet it is just a feeble attempt to pretend you need to treat your rat-dog like a baby.

Despite your try-out for the Anonymous Internet Dickbag Trophy, we are quite capable of taking care of a dog at home.  But, as I said, we can either leave him locked in a kennel for many hours while we're gone or take him with.  Or we can leave him out to run around with lots of separation anxiety so he can chew on the walls, crap everywhere, and generally tear shiat up.

Or should I just stare at welcometofark.jpg?


I don't think "quite capable of taking care of a dog at home" means the same thing to you that it does to me. To me it means, among other things, that your dog's well-being doesn't depend on not keeping it at home.

To be clear, I'm not saying people shouldn't take dogs places. I like dogs. I like places that let dogs in. Just pointing out the obvious: treating it like a baby that you must take everywhere isabout you rather than the dog.

(Admittedly, chihuahuas are hyperanxious little shiatbags, but breed is just something people have to account for when determining how suitable dog ownership is for them.)
 
2014-07-30 09:26:27 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: I don't think "quite capable of taking care of a dog at home" means the same thing to you that it does to me. To me it means, among other things, that your dog's well-being doesn't depend on not keeping it at home.

To be clear, I'm not saying people shouldn't take dogs places. I like dogs. I like places that let dogs in. Just pointing out the obvious: treating it like a baby that you must take everywhere isabout you rather than the dog.

(Admittedly, chihuahuas are hyperanxious little shiatbags, but breed is just something people have to account for when determining how suitable dog ownership is for them.)



That's because your average chihuahua owning dillhole doesn't know how to manage their dog.  Ours is quite well behaved when we're out and we constantly get complements on how well he behaves in public.  He's never had an accident anywhere, I think he's barked once in a store but that's because someone else's dog barked first.
 
2014-07-30 10:11:01 PM  

DarthBart: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: I don't think "quite capable of taking care of a dog at home" means the same thing to you that it does to me. To me it means, among other things, that your dog's well-being doesn't depend on not keeping it at home.

To be clear, I'm not saying people shouldn't take dogs places. I like dogs. I like places that let dogs in. Just pointing out the obvious: treating it like a baby that you must take everywhere isabout you rather than the dog.

(Admittedly, chihuahuas are hyperanxious little shiatbags, but breed is just something people have to account for when determining how suitable dog ownership is for them.)


That's because your average chihuahua owning dillhole doesn't know how to manage their dog.  Ours is quite well behaved when we're out and we constantly get complements on how well he behaves in public.  He's never had an accident anywhere, I think he's barked once in a store but that's because someone else's dog barked first.


if you can't train a dog not to chew on the walls poop all over the house and tear things up when you are out. So you have to take your dog out every where you go.  Then you as a dog owner have failed.
 
2014-07-30 11:35:47 PM  
Now I get to go everywhere.
 
2014-07-31 12:58:03 PM  

capt.hollister: To demonstrate the validity of diploma mills, pet certificates, and that diploma hanging on your "alternative" therapist's office wall I obtained a BA in Reiki for Charlie, the smartest and most deserving of our cats.

The diploma is in the name of Charlie LeChat. It cost nothing and took very little time thanks to Thunderwood College's  online programs which can be completed in just seconds. And they are cat friendly.


The Thunderwood College link made my day.
I award you a few Internets.
If you ever visit Cape Cod, mention this and I'll give you 20% off.
 
2014-07-31 01:21:37 PM  

studebaker hoch: This is my emotional needs alligator.


He should have a date with my grizzly.
 
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