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2014-07-29 11:53:05 PM  
Hobby Lobby alleged to have fired pregnant employee who requested time off to give birth

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2014-07-30 12:52:49 AM  
She should have had an abortion. That would have showed 'em!
 
2014-07-30 12:55:33 AM  
So it appears from the linked story that HL makes all its employees sign binding arbitration contracts, meaning they can't ever sue them. And the kicker is the company they use for their arbitration:

"Christian conciliation," which is a form of religious arbitration described on its website as "a process for reconciling people and resolving disputes out of court in a biblical manner."

And they complain about "creeping sharia".
 
2014-07-30 01:04:09 AM  

fusillade762: So it appears from the linked story that HL makes all its employees sign binding arbitration contracts, meaning they can't ever sue them. And the kicker is the company they use for their arbitration:

"Christian conciliation," which is a form of religious arbitration described on its website as "a process for reconciling people and resolving disputes out of court in a biblical manner."

And they complain about "creeping sharia".


That's pretty common.  Wall Street has this gag they use with investors.  They force them into arbitration which is run by industry lobbying groups who then claim the investors were "savvy" meaning it's their own fault Wall Street ripped them off.
 
2014-07-30 01:20:10 AM  

fusillade762: So it appears from the linked story that HL makes all its employees sign binding arbitration contracts, meaning they can't ever sue them. And the kicker is the company they use for their arbitration:

"Christian conciliation," which is a form of religious arbitration described on its website as "a process for reconciling people and resolving disputes out of court in a biblical manner."


Sounds good. Where's the square where I can stone these f*ckers to death?
 
2014-07-30 01:30:42 AM  
CA residents, did you know under our state laws we are legally entitled to a 6 week "Paternity Leave" after the birth of your child? We are entitled to be at least partially paid by our company during this time, though it is not uncommon to find fully funded paternal leaves in many companies.

I know many would fret over potential lost wages, but you consider many fathers worried about money have been stocking money long in advance of the anticipated birth, and this can be the best time to bond with your wife and child in those first few weeks. I didnt take advantage of this opportunity but I certainly will if I ever happens again.

/Did that come off like a public announcement? Just wanna make sure my Fark fathers out here know their options
 
2014-07-30 05:25:26 AM  
"They didn't even want me to come back after having my baby, to provide for it," she says.

Mother of the year candidate, refers to her child as "it".
 
2014-07-30 05:35:01 AM  
On the topic of arbitration... Given that she hadn't been working there long enough for FMLA to kick in, would she have even had a leg to stand on in a real court? She probably had a better chance with the "Christian arbiters".
 
2014-07-30 06:35:53 AM  
If only there was some pill she could have taken to prevent Hobby Lobby having to face this difficult decision.
 
2014-07-30 06:45:20 AM  
So, it doesn't seem like she was fired at all.  She had not worked long enough to qualify for maternity leave, so she voluntarily left her job (i.e. quit) to give birth and then simply was not rehired.  I wouldn't normally defend Hobby Lobby, and perhaps they are being assholes about it, but they did not fire her.  She left of her own free will.  I don't think a manager saying, "yeah, we'll give you your job back afterwards" is binding at all.
 
2014-07-30 07:26:58 AM  

Radak: So, it doesn't seem like she was fired at all.  She had not worked long enough to qualify for maternity leave, so she voluntarily left her job (i.e. quit) to give birth and then simply was not rehired.  I wouldn't normally defend Hobby Lobby, and perhaps they are being assholes about it, but they did not fire her.  She left of her own free will.  I don't think a manager saying, "yeah, we'll give you your job back afterwards" is binding at all.


Maybe so, but it's still kind of a dick move on the part of the company to fight her on unemployment benefits after she gave birth, especially since they've already paid the payroll taxes for her and it's not costing them any more.
 
2014-07-30 07:33:29 AM  

RexTalionis: Maybe so, but it's still kind of a dick move on the part of the company to fight her on unemployment benefits after she gave birth, especially since they've already paid the payroll taxes for her and it's not costing them any more.


No argument there at all.  I just think it is technically inaccurate for her to claim she was fired.
 
2014-07-30 07:33:31 AM  
In a promotional video on the Hobby Lobby website, company president Steve Green explained how he doesn't leave his pro-family Christian principles at the door when it comes to running his company.

And his pro-family Christian values says she should be at home taking care of her baby.  Don't you guys see?  Hobby Lobby could choose to either break the commandment against bearing false witness, or it could let her abandon her child - and it graciously decided to commit a sin so that she wouldn't have too!
 
2014-07-30 07:53:41 AM  

Radak: RexTalionis: Maybe so, but it's still kind of a dick move on the part of the company to fight her on unemployment benefits after she gave birth, especially since they've already paid the payroll taxes for her and it's not costing them any more.

No argument there at all.  I just think it is technically inaccurate for her to claim she was fired.


Actually, I just read the original article instead of the really bad Slate summary.

Apparently, she was technically terminated by Hobby Lobby to go have the baby, but was given reassurances that she can reapply to get her job back.

But five months later, when the time came to take her leave of absence, Allen says her supervisor told her she would be terminated but could reapply later on. She says she tried to come back to work three weeks after her child was born, to no avail.
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/07/29/hobby-lobby-allegedly-f ir ed-employee-due-pregnancy/
 
2014-07-30 07:57:25 AM  

RexTalionis: Radak: RexTalionis: Maybe so, but it's still kind of a dick move on the part of the company to fight her on unemployment benefits after she gave birth, especially since they've already paid the payroll taxes for her and it's not costing them any more.

No argument there at all.  I just think it is technically inaccurate for her to claim she was fired.

Actually, I just read the original article instead of the really bad Slate summary.

Apparently, she was technically terminated by Hobby Lobby to go have the baby, but was given reassurances that she can reapply to get her job back.

But five months later, when the time came to take her leave of absence, Allen says her supervisor told her she would be terminated but could reapply later on. She says she tried to come back to work three weeks after her child was born, to no avail.
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/07/29/hobby-lobby-allegedly-f ir ed-employee-due-pregnancy/


The take away is that christians are liars.
 
2014-07-30 07:58:20 AM  
FTA: And, as Resinick points out, Allen couldn't file a legal challenge after all of this because, like most Hobby Lobby employees, she had signed a piece of paper giving away her right to sue.


America, fark yeah!
 
2014-07-30 07:58:44 AM  
There is more to this story but far be it from Salon to tell us.
 
2014-07-30 08:00:40 AM  

serial_crusher: "They didn't even want me to come back after having my baby, to provide for it," she says.

Mother of the year candidate, refers to her child as "it".


Could be a hermaphrodite. At that age they won't know if outwards appearances would be male or female.
 
2014-07-30 08:01:45 AM  
"Family values"...

s.yimg.com

when it's conveeeeeenient.
 
2014-07-30 08:02:37 AM  
FMLA is not in the bible. It is irrelevant in this argument.
 
2014-07-30 08:04:47 AM  
A story about Hobby Lobby on Salon.com?

Whole thing stinks of TrollBait.  Who want's to bet that some vital nugget of info comes out later that changes the whole context of the story?
 
2014-07-30 08:05:07 AM  

Radak: So, it doesn't seem like she was fired at all.  She had not worked long enough to qualify for maternity leave, so she voluntarily left her job (i.e. quit) to give birth and then simply was not rehired.  I wouldn't normally defend Hobby Lobby, and perhaps they are being assholes about it, but they did not fire her.  She left of her own free will.  I don't think a manager saying, "yeah, we'll give you your job back afterwards" is binding at all.


She was likely told that if she didn't quit, she just wouldn't be put back on the schedule.  When I was a manager for Gamestop, I was told to never, ever fire anybody - just don't put them on the schedule, and they'll eventually quit.

/Right-to-work is one of the biggest farces foisted on the lower class today.
 
2014-07-30 08:05:34 AM  

D_Evans45: CA residents, did you know under our state laws we are legally entitled to a 6 week "Paternity Leave" after the birth of your child? We are entitled to be at least partially paid by our company during this time, though it is not uncommon to find fully funded paternal leaves in many companies.

I know many would fret over potential lost wages, but you consider many fathers worried about money have been stocking money long in advance of the anticipated birth, and this can be the best time to bond with your wife and child in those first few weeks. I didnt take advantage of this opportunity but I certainly will if I ever happens again.

/Did that come off like a public announcement? Just wanna make sure my Fark fathers out here know their options


That sucks for non-breeders. We should get extra vacation time or a tax break
 
2014-07-30 08:05:46 AM  

serial_crusher: "They didn't even want me to come back after having my baby, to provide for it," she says.

Mother of the year candidate, refers to her child as "it".


It is an "it".
 
2014-07-30 08:05:48 AM  
I live in Norway- in order for my wife to take 10 months (paid) maternity leave, I am forced to take 2 months off. Combined with my 5 weeks of vacation, it is way too much parental leave. I have work to do!
 
2014-07-30 08:05:57 AM  
"And as we have ran our business..."

Hick-like speech detected.

Learn some participles, you oppressive dunce.
 
2014-07-30 08:06:27 AM  
So what you're telling me is that Hobby Lobby are bad people? I think we already knew that.
 
2014-07-30 08:06:41 AM  

RexTalionis: Radak: So, it doesn't seem like she was fired at all.  She had not worked long enough to qualify for maternity leave, so she voluntarily left her job (i.e. quit) to give birth and then simply was not rehired.  I wouldn't normally defend Hobby Lobby, and perhaps they are being assholes about it, but they did not fire her.  She left of her own free will.  I don't think a manager saying, "yeah, we'll give you your job back afterwards" is binding at all.

Maybe so, but it's still kind of a dick move on the part of the company to fight her on unemployment benefits after she gave birth, especially since they've already paid the payroll taxes for her and it's not costing them any more.


Not that they aren't being dicks, but your tax rate paying into unemployment insurance is affected by how many people are drawing unemployment as a result of leaving your company. The more people you fire who then have to go on unemployment, the more you pay.

So it incentivizes businesses to fight their employees on receiving unemployment benefits.
 
2014-07-30 08:07:18 AM  
Is Hobby Lobby even a good store? Do they sell glues and paints like all the other chains? What is their angle?
 
2014-07-30 08:09:06 AM  
Sounds like she got a job to get unemployment when she had her fruit. People do stuff like this all the time.
 
2014-07-30 08:10:07 AM  

Thunderpipes: Sounds like she got a job to get unemployment when she had her fruit. People do stuff like this all the time.


It sounds nothing like that.
 
2014-07-30 08:10:31 AM  
This smells like bullshiat to me.

Salon?  Pause.
 
2014-07-30 08:10:42 AM  

August11: Is Hobby Lobby even a good store? Do they sell glues and paints like all the other chains? What is their angle?


I've gone there one time. That was one time too many. It's a glorified arts and crafts store.
 
2014-07-30 08:10:55 AM  

roadkillontheweb: FMLA is not in the bible. It is irrelevant in this argument.


As if modern  Christianity in America has any correlation to what's actually in the bible.
 
2014-07-30 08:11:31 AM  
OK, so who didn't see this coming?

When you give corporations the power to ignore any laws they say contradict their religious beliefs, guess what happens?
 
2014-07-30 08:12:03 AM  

serial_crusher: Mother of the year candidate, refers to her child as "it".


"It" is the correct pronoun to specify a creature without specifying its gender. "They" is also acceptable in the correct context, but considered weird in modern conversation. Invent a better word or STFU.

roadkillontheweb: FMLA is not in the bible. It is irrelevant in this argument.


Technically, so is abortion, but that made it to SCOTUS and was ruled in their favor.
 
2014-07-30 08:12:12 AM  

Cdr.Murdock: A story about Hobby Lobby on Salon.com?

Whole thing stinks of TrollBait.  Who want's to bet that some vital nugget of info comes out later that changes the whole context of the story?


Most likely. It sounds like, what happened was, she was not employed long enough to qualify for FMLA. So they tell her she can quit/terminate her employment, then re-apply when she is ready to come back. She did that and was not re-hired.

Not exactly a scandal, as much as Hobby Lobby does suck balls.
 
2014-07-30 08:12:20 AM  

serial_crusher: "They didn't even want me to come back after having my baby, to provide for it my snowflake," she says.

Mother of the year candidate, refers to her child as "it".


That's more like it.
 
2014-07-30 08:12:38 AM  

Mentat: fusillade762: So it appears from the linked story that HL makes all its employees sign binding arbitration contracts, meaning they can't ever sue them. And the kicker is the company they use for their arbitration:

"Christian conciliation," which is a form of religious arbitration described on its website as "a process for reconciling people and resolving disputes out of court in a biblical manner."

And they complain about "creeping sharia".

That's pretty common.  Wall Street has this gag they use with investors.  They force them into arbitration which is run by industry lobbying groups who then claim the investors were "savvy" meaning it's their own fault Wall Street ripped them off.


I'm perfectly fine with arbitration for derivative suits. Being a shareholder in a public company is one of the most voluntary acts out there. Most shareholder suits are just lawyers looking for a quick settlement anyway.
 
2014-07-30 08:12:43 AM  

August11: Is Hobby Lobby even a good store? Do they sell glues and paints like all the other chains? What is their angle?


It's an unaborted bastard of a Michaels and Kirklands drunken one night stand.
 
2014-07-30 08:12:45 AM  

roadkillontheweb: FMLA is not in the bible. It is irrelevant in this argument.


Actually it is.. Leviticus 12.  A woman should bond with their child for 40 days after birth for a boy, 80 days for a girl.
 
2014-07-30 08:13:20 AM  

HeartBurnKid: OK, so who didn't see this coming?

When you give corporations the power to ignore any laws they say contradict their religious beliefs, guess what happens?


Freedom?
 
2014-07-30 08:13:24 AM  

ajgeek: serial_crusher: Mother of the year candidate, refers to her child as "it".


"It" is the correct pronoun to specify a creature without specifying its gender. "They" is also acceptable in the correct context, but considered weird in modern conversation. Invent a better word or STFU.


How about referring to the baby as he/she? I am assuming the baby has been born by now...
 
2014-07-30 08:13:38 AM  

HeartBurnKid: OK, so who didn't see this coming?

When you give corporations the power to ignore any laws they say contradict their religious beliefs, guess what happens?


All corporations have a closely held religious belief that they should be able to do whatever they want to make money (or lose vast sums of money by accident, if they so choose) and fark you.
 
2014-07-30 08:14:05 AM  
This story is too low on facts to judge my outrage level
 
2014-07-30 08:15:29 AM  
While we don't have the full story other than the typical faux outrage, it would hold true to the "fark'em after they pop out".
 
2014-07-30 08:16:13 AM  
She was also Part-Time.. I think the rules are different for part-time vs. full-time, aren't they?
 
2014-07-30 08:17:35 AM  

RexTalionis: Radak: RexTalionis: Maybe so, but it's still kind of a dick move on the part of the company to fight her on unemployment benefits after she gave birth, especially since they've already paid the payroll taxes for her and it's not costing them any more.

No argument there at all.  I just think it is technically inaccurate for her to claim she was fired.

Actually, I just read the original article instead of the really bad Slate summary.

Apparently, she was technically terminated by Hobby Lobby to go have the baby, but was given reassurances that she can reapply to get her job back.

But five months later, when the time came to take her leave of absence, Allen says her supervisor told her she would be terminated but could reapply later on. She says she tried to come back to work three weeks after her child was born, to no avail.
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/07/29/hobby-lobby-allegedly-f ir ed-employee-due-pregnancy/


They said she could reapply, not that she would get hired again. There's a difference.

/jk
//fark hobby lobby
 
2014-07-30 08:17:44 AM  

HeartBurnKid: OK, so who didn't see this coming?

When you give corporations the power to ignore any laws they say contradict their religious beliefs, guess what happens?


Technically, no laws were broken. FMLA only affects companies with 50 or more employees AND those employees have been working for over 1 year. They were within their rights (fact sheet #28 is the big one here).

They're still a bunch of ChristiansTM, but nothing can be pinned on them for this one. Maybe a pittance for a settlement if a particularly hungry ambulance chaser decides to represent her.
 
2014-07-30 08:17:46 AM  
I think we're all missing the most important piece of information from this story...

Is she hot?
 
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