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2014-07-29 10:27:08 PM  
Hope he likes the smell of brimstone.
 
2014-07-29 10:46:41 PM  

DrPainMD: Hope he likes the smell of brimstone.


Why? He helped save literally millions of lives.

The invasion of the mainland was going to happen. Even after the two nuke blasts there was a coup attemp aimed at keeping Japan in the war until the last man. It took the intercession of the Emperor after the second bomb was dropped to end it. His leadership attempted to kill their "god" to keep fighting.
 
2014-07-29 10:52:19 PM  

DrPainMD: Hope he likes the smell of brimstone.


9/10

Why do you hate America?
 
2014-07-29 10:54:05 PM  
Satan laughing, spreads his wings.
 
2014-07-29 10:56:16 PM  
Japan would've surrendered. They were basically just testing the weapons out on a civilian urban population. A kind of real life "hey man, watch this shiat." The only point of contention was keeping EEmperor Hirohito.
 
2014-07-29 10:56:46 PM  
Bah.

Submitted as "whale dies."
 
2014-07-29 10:57:54 PM  
i2.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-29 10:57:55 PM  
Well, at least they were vindicated of wrongdoing before he passed...

/Damn you cow and chikun!!!!!
 
2014-07-29 10:58:01 PM  

b2theory: DrPainMD: Hope he likes the smell of brimstone.

Why? He helped save literally millions of lives.

The invasion of the mainland was going to happen. Even after the two nuke blasts there was a coup attemp aimed at keeping Japan in the war until the last man. It took the intercession of the Emperor after the second bomb was dropped to end it. His leadership attempted to kill their "god" to keep fighting.


What he said
 
2014-07-29 10:59:25 PM  

schubie: Japan would've surrendered.


nope
 
2014-07-29 10:59:26 PM  

b2theory: DrPainMD: Hope he likes the smell of brimstone.

Why? He helped save literally millions of lives.

The invasion of the mainland was going to happen. Even after the two nuke blasts there was a coup attemp aimed at keeping Japan in the war until the last man. It took the intercession of the Emperor after the second bomb was dropped to end it. His leadership attempted to kill their "god" to keep fighting.


Read your history. It wasn't the nukes that stopped the war in the Pacific the Japanese didn't surrender until the Soviets declared war.
 
2014-07-29 11:00:09 PM  
Regardless of your view on the atom bomb, this guy was a part of a huge turning point in history. He was part of the event that changed the most important fleet of ships in history from Nina, Pinta, Santa Maria, to The Great Artist, the Necessary Evil, and Enola Gay.
 
2014-07-29 11:00:12 PM  

b2theory: DrPainMD: Hope he likes the smell of brimstone.

Why? He helped save literally millions of lives.

The invasion of the mainland was going to happen. Even after the two nuke blasts there was a coup attemp aimed at keeping Japan in the war until the last man. It took the intercession of the Emperor after the second bomb was dropped to end it. His leadership attempted to kill their "god" to keep fighting.


Well yeah, ethics are totally black and white.
 
2014-07-29 11:00:37 PM  
My great uncle (a Marine on Okinawa in 1945), and my grandfather (a soldier who was being redeployed from Europe to the Pacific for the invasion) both were incredibly greatful to those bombers for the rest of their lives. They were sure they would have gotten killed or wounded badly if they had been forced to root out the Japanese from their home islands.
 
2014-07-29 11:00:45 PM  

schubie: Japan would've surrendered. They were basically just testing the weapons out on a civilian urban population. A kind of real life "hey man, watch this shiat." The only point of contention was keeping EEmperor Hirohito.


Since many in the military still wanted to fight, even after the bombs were dropped, I would have to disagree with you.

On the other hand, how were the American leadership at the time supposed to know they might surrender?

Show your work...
 
2014-07-29 11:01:01 PM  
No, it wasn't. They were in surrender talks. Whatever helps us sleep tho.

/try lunesta,

/until they figure out it causes cancer.
 
2014-07-29 11:03:00 PM  
Ok seriously, Fark needs to re-examine the Hero tag. This guy would not see himself as a hero, but a man who just did his job, as so many others did in WWII. Dropping bombs on civilians to end a war is not heroic, it's what he was told to do, and he did it. I'm sure if he could comment, he would agree. Just a guy doing a job.

/And thank you Sir, for not only your service, but for all the lives you saved by your actions. i hope you made peace with the terrible job you were given. RIP.
 
2014-07-29 11:03:31 PM  
Vaya con Dios
 
2014-07-29 11:03:31 PM  

Minimum: schubie: Japan would've surrendered. They were basically just testing the weapons out on a civilian urban population. A kind of real life "hey man, watch this shiat." The only point of contention was keeping EEmperor Hirohito.

Since many in the military still wanted to fight, even after the bombs were dropped, I would have to disagree with you.

On the other hand, how were the American leadership at the time supposed to know they might surrender?

Show your work...


Soooooo you saw a Gilliam ' Island episode? They were ready to surrender. They just wanted Hirohito. Which they got.
 
2014-07-29 11:09:20 PM  

tzzhc4: b2theory: DrPainMD: Hope he likes the smell of brimstone.

Why? He helped save literally millions of lives.

The invasion of the mainland was going to happen. Even after the two nuke blasts there was a coup attemp aimed at keeping Japan in the war until the last man. It took the intercession of the Emperor after the second bomb was dropped to end it. His leadership attempted to kill their "god" to keep fighting.

Read your history. It wasn't the nukes that stopped the war in the Pacific the Japanese didn't surrender until the Soviets declared war.


I've read my history. As far as the leadership was concerned the Soviets entering the war as a non factor. They knew they had lost. They knew it would be the Americans landing on the mainland not the Russians. The only thing up for discussion was how to lose. The hard liners wanted the whole country to die with their boots on.
 
2014-07-29 11:10:04 PM  

schubie: No, it wasn't. They were in surrender talks. Whatever helps us sleep tho.


No, they weren't.  Nagasaki was August 9th.  August 10th the Japanese supreme council for the direction of war asked the emperor to help break a deadlock between its 6 members(no governmental action could be taken without unanimous agreement.)  On the 10th a telegram was sent saying the Japanese accepted the Potsdam declaration but would not accept a change in their governmental structure.  This was not a formal surrender and the allies sent a response refusing it.  August 11-12 were basically a cease fire while the supreme council debated accepting the allied terms.  The 13-14 found the council still in debate about a response.  The surrender eventually was transmitted at the urgings of the emperor on August 14th accepting the allied terms.
 
2014-07-29 11:10:08 PM  

schubie: Minimum: schubie: Japan would've surrendered. They were basically just testing the weapons out on a civilian urban population. A kind of real life "hey man, watch this shiat." The only point of contention was keeping EEmperor Hirohito.

Since many in the military still wanted to fight, even after the bombs were dropped, I would have to disagree with you.

On the other hand, how were the American leadership at the time supposed to know they might surrender?

Show your work...

Soooooo you saw a Gilliam ' Island episode? They were ready to surrender. They just wanted Hirohito. Which they got.


[Citation needed]
 
2014-07-29 11:11:54 PM  

schubie: No, it wasn't. They were in surrender talks. Whatever helps us sleep tho.

/try lunesta,

/until they figure out it causes cancer.


There were no negotiations taking place. There was the Potsdam Declaration and that's about it.
 
2014-07-29 11:13:07 PM  
If he were Muslim, he'd have like 750,000 virgins waiting for him.
 
2014-07-29 11:13:33 PM  
/O
 
2014-07-29 11:14:39 PM  
My flight instructor was a B-17 pilot in WWII. He was shot down by the germans 4 times, managing to survive and land in England the first two, ditching it in the English channel on the third time, and the fourth he was captured and spent time in a POW camp. The stories he told me raised the hair on my head. He was a tough old man. I wish i had more time with him.


My stepfather was a "special opts" soldier in vietnam. Wet team. He only left the service after he was shot 3 times in the same leg on 3 different dates, stabbed in the chest with a NVA bayonet, and had a mine go off right next to him, causing him to lose the hearing in his right ear. They finally had to take his leg off, because it was so farked up, there was nothing more they could do for it. And he still wanted to go back and get some. But, he was not proud of what he had been through, in fact, he was quite saddened as he spoke to me the few times he talked of it. He told me once, "i have personally killed 34 people, face to face, with a knife, and god knows how many with my rifle at range. Those faces, even to this day, haunt me in my dreams. i see them all the time. They will never leave me until i die."

Those two men, who had been through so much, had so much asked of them, never once..not once, described themselves as hero's. Just men that did what was expected of them. Both men are gone now, but i feel that i was very very lucky not only to have known them, but have them set an example of humility, when they could have been, (as many have) talking themselves up.

RIP to both of you.
 
2014-07-29 11:19:01 PM  
Terrorism (noun) - The use of violence to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.  Intentionally targeting civilians to force a surrender before Japan can surrender to Stalin fits the definition of terrorism.
 
2014-07-29 11:21:52 PM  

The Bestest: schubie: Japan would've surrendered.

nope


They already had surrendered. Mainly because Uncle Joe was steam rolling through Manchuria with his T-34 tanks. On top of that the US already had full naval and air superiority over the entire Japanese archipelago. They would have literally been forced to be starved into submission otherwise. Despite what you were told in school Japanese were not going to fight to the last. The emperor had a near coup d'etat by high ranking military leaders for his willingness to capitulate to the Americans even before the bombs dropped. Face facts. Americans spent the largest amount of tax payers dollars on an unproven and more importantly unused  weapons program. They crucified Howard Hughes for his failed sea plane that was a micro fraction of what the Manhattan Project had cost. So they tested it on the Japanese civilian population because well basically racism. That's the real story.
 
2014-07-29 11:22:04 PM  

TheWhoppah: Intentionally targeting civilians


Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military industrial areas.
 
2014-07-29 11:23:19 PM  

TheWhoppah: Terrorism (noun) - The use of violence to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.  Intentionally targeting civilians to force a surrender before Japan can surrender to Stalin fits the definition of terrorism.


it was active war and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were legitimate military targets
 
2014-07-29 11:24:08 PM  

TheWhoppah: Terrorism (noun) - The use of violence to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.  Intentionally targeting civilians to force a surrender before Japan can surrender to Stalin fits the definition of terrorism.


They were the only cities left. The only difference was the use of one plane instead of hundreds.

It also fits the definition of total war.
 
2014-07-29 11:24:32 PM  

Gergesa: TheWhoppah: Intentionally targeting civilians

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military industrial areas.


Pfffftttt.  They weren't even in the top 5 of best military targets.
 
2014-07-29 11:27:13 PM  

Franco: On top of that the US already had full naval and air superiority over the entire Japanese archipelago.


The US had superiority over Iwo Jima, and THAT turned into a meat grinder. Just -imagine- what a mainland incursion would've looked like.
 
2014-07-29 11:27:52 PM  

Franco: The Bestest: schubie: Japan would've surrendered.

nope

They already had surrendered. Mainly because Uncle Joe was steam rolling through Manchuria with his T-34 tanks. On top of that the US already had full naval and air superiority over the entire Japanese archipelago. They would have literally been forced to be starved into submission otherwise. Despite what you were told in school Japanese were not going to fight to the last. The emperor had a near coup d'etat by high ranking military leaders for his willingness to capitulate to the Americans even before the bombs dropped. Face facts. Americans spent the largest amount of tax payers dollars on an unproven and more importantly unused  weapons program. They crucified Howard Hughes for his failed sea plane that was a micro fraction of what the Manhattan Project had cost. So they tested it on the Japanese civilian population because well basically racism. That's the real story.


Facts are facts. The coup happened August 12th after the second bomb was dropped.
 
2014-07-29 11:28:40 PM  

Franco: They already had surrendered.


No they hadn't.  Once more:  Nagasaki was August 9th.  August 10th the Japanese supreme council for the direction of war asked the emperor to help break a deadlock between its 6 members(no governmental action could be taken without unanimous agreement.)  On the 10th a telegram was sent saying the Japanese accepted the Potsdam declaration but would not accept a change in their governmental structure.  This was not a formal surrender and the allies sent a response refusing it.  August 11-12 were basically a cease fire while the supreme council debated accepting the allied terms.  The 13-14 found the council still in debate about a response.  The surrender eventually was transmitted at the urgings of the emperor on August 14th accepting the allied terms.

Franco: Despite what you were told in school Japanese were not going to fight to the last.


Look up operation Ten-go.  Pretty much every person in Japan was expected to fight and the Japanese leadership were planning a bloody fight over every square inch of land.
 
2014-07-29 11:30:16 PM  
 
2014-07-29 11:32:15 PM  

TheWhoppah: Gergesa: TheWhoppah: Intentionally targeting civilians

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military industrial areas.

Pfffftttt.  They weren't even in the top 5 of best military targets.


I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion since Hiroshima was the second choice.  Nagasaki was an alternate so you might have better luck there but it was still a major military industrial center.
 
2014-07-29 11:33:01 PM  

TheWhoppah: Gergesa: TheWhoppah: Intentionally targeting civilians

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military industrial areas.

Pfffftttt.  They weren't even in the top 5 of best military targets.


mainland targets? Citation please....
 
2014-07-29 11:35:31 PM  

Gergesa: Franco: They already had surrendered.

No they hadn't.  Once more:  Nagasaki was August 9th.  August 10th the Japanese supreme council for the direction of war asked the emperor to help break a deadlock between its 6 members(no governmental action could be taken without unanimous agreement.)  On the 10th a telegram was sent saying the Japanese accepted the Potsdam declaration but would not accept a change in their governmental structure.  This was not a formal surrender and the allies sent a response refusing it.  August 11-12 were basically a cease fire while the supreme council debated accepting the allied terms.  The 13-14 found the council still in debate about a response.  The surrender eventually was transmitted at the urgings of the emperor on August 14th accepting the allied terms.

Franco: Despite what you were told in school Japanese were not going to fight to the last.

Look up operation Ten-go.  Pretty much every person in Japan was expected to fight and the Japanese leadership were planning a bloody fight over every square inch of land.


You should add that the US planned to start the invasion of the mainland in less than a month and a half. Seriously, I hate when people try to speak about the context of the use of these two nuclear weapons when they haven't read about Operation Downfall nor the fight in the Japanese leadership. It is very clear that the bombing played a key role in Hitohito's decision making process.
 
2014-07-29 11:38:02 PM  

Franco: The Bestest: schubie: Japan would've surrendered.

nope

They already had surrendered. Mainly because Uncle Joe was steam rolling through Manchuria with his T-34 tanks. On top of that the US already had full naval and air superiority over the entire Japanese archipelago. They would have literally been forced to be starved into submission otherwise. Despite what you were told in school Japanese were not going to fight to the last. The emperor had a near coup d'etat by high ranking military leaders for his willingness to capitulate to the Americans even before the bombs dropped. Face facts. Americans spent the largest amount of tax payers dollars on an unproven and more importantly unused  weapons program. They crucified Howard Hughes for his failed sea plane that was a micro fraction of what the Manhattan Project had cost. So they tested it on the Japanese civilian population because well basically racism. That's the real story.


You must be Japanese. I suppose you also think the Rape of Nanking is a Chinese hoax.
 
2014-07-29 11:38:51 PM  

Gergesa: TheWhoppah: Gergesa: TheWhoppah: Intentionally targeting civilians

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military industrial areas.

Pfffftttt.  They weren't even in the top 5 of best military targets.

I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion since Hiroshima was the second choice.  Nagasaki was an alternate so you might have better luck there but it was still a major military industrial center.


I concede this point with regard to Hiroshima.  The top 5 were: Kokura/Kitakyushu, Hiroshima, Yokohama, Niigata and Kyoto.  Kokura was the target for the second bomb but there were too many clouds so it was dropped on Nagasaki instead.
 
2014-07-29 11:41:30 PM  

Likwit: You must be Japanese. I suppose you also think the Rape of Nanking is a Chinese hoax.



Really?  You don't like his argument so he must be Japanese?  Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.
 
2014-07-29 11:45:23 PM  

TheWhoppah: Really? You don't like his argument so he must be Japanese? Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.


What argument?  He said things that were blatantly false.  The Japanese had not surrendered at the time, they were preparing a bloody showdown with operation ten-go, and the bombs were dropped for much more complex reasons than simple racism.
 
2014-07-29 11:47:38 PM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-07-29 11:47:47 PM  

devildog123: My great uncle (a Marine on Okinawa in 1945), and my grandfather (a soldier who was being redeployed from Europe to the Pacific for the invasion) both were incredibly greatful to those bombers for the rest of their lives. They were sure they would have gotten killed or wounded badly if they had been forced to root out the Japanese from their home islands.


Same for my dad and uncle
 
2014-07-29 11:48:53 PM  

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What does God need with a face?

 
2014-07-29 11:50:33 PM  

TheWhoppah: I concede this point with regard to Hiroshima.  The top 5 were: Kokura/Kitakyushu, Hiroshima, Yokohama, Niigata and Kyoto.  Kokura was the target for the second bomb but there were too many clouds so it was dropped on Nagasaki instead.


You subscribed to /r/TIL ?
 
2014-07-29 11:51:10 PM  
Also since it hasn't been brought up yet Hiroshima was the HQ of the 2nd army which would have been in charge of the home guard, civil defense, and air defense of the home islands.  It was a military target. Bombing it would have made Olympic and Coronet much easier if they hadn't surrendered first.

In addition Nagasaki was a major war material production center (most of the city was involved in arms production) in addition to it being a major naval seaport.

People also forget the roughly 10k civilians dying every day in China and Korea.  The bombs saved lives of all involved, even at a nasty price.
 
2014-07-29 11:52:53 PM  
The Japs had no intention to fight to the last man.  That bullshiat is repeated to justify the indiscriminate atomic bombings of undefended cities which is a violation of international law and basically state sponsored terrorism.

The Japs knew they were beat but they were holding out hope that they could surrender to the Russians and then Moscow would broker the peace and allow the Emperor to stay, at least as a puppet.  Instead the commies came on strong and mercilessly overwhelmed the imperial land forces with a surprise attack force with tons of men... one and a half million of them.

Americans had broken the Jap codes.  We knew they were about to surrender so we rushed the bombing to make a point.  We were making a point to Stalin, not to the Emperor or the Jap people.  Because of the way the cards were falling in Europe everyone already knew the end game was Washington vs. Moscow.
 
2014-07-29 11:53:22 PM  

Gergesa: TheWhoppah: Really? You don't like his argument so he must be Japanese? Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

What argument?  He said things that were blatantly false.  The Japanese had not surrendered at the time, they were preparing a bloody showdown with operation ten-go, and the bombs were dropped for much more complex reasons than simple racism.


Yes.

Plus his "argument" is almost exactly what they tell you at the Hiroshima Peace Park memorial. My history buff mother was so angered by the plaques at the museum that she stormed out.
 
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