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2014-07-29 08:02:37 PM  
Oppression. Clearly.
 
2014-07-29 08:43:36 PM  
God I love football season.  Smells like........tebow tears.
 
2014-07-29 08:50:25 PM  

basemetal: God I love football season.  Smells like........tebow tears.


This.
 
2014-07-29 09:19:34 PM  
And I can't understand why a German skiier weighs in on american football, but you don't see me blabbing to reporters.

Blab blab
 
2014-07-29 09:23:19 PM  
And just think, had his mother decided to have an abortion we could have avoided this perennial discussion.
 
2014-07-29 10:03:17 PM  

Cake Hunter: And I can't understand why a German skiier weighs in on american football, but you don't see me blabbing to reporters.

Blab blab


www.sikids.com
 
2014-07-29 10:41:13 PM  
Well, he is tied with Romo and Matt Ryan in playoff wins, which is more than RG3 can say.
 
2014-07-29 10:49:57 PM  
What I can't understand is why someone didn't try to correct his mechanics WAY before he got to the NFL.  And why AFTER he got into the NFL and was cut, didn't HE hire someone to work with him when he had the entire season to fix them?  Obviously, he has some athletic ability...but work ethic?  I guess that was left to God.
 
2014-07-29 11:37:45 PM  

Triumph: Well, he is tied with Romo and Matt Ryan in playoff wins, which is more than RG3 can say.


All three of those guys are still in the league, which is more than...aw, never mind. Either you get why Tebow's commenting on games instead of playing in them -- or you don't.
 
2014-07-30 12:08:40 AM  
I'd blame Jesus if I was him
 
2014-07-30 12:11:27 AM  

Triumph: Well, he is tied with Romo and Matt Ryan in playoff wins


Won almost as often as Ryan in 2013, too.
 
2014-07-30 12:19:00 AM  
Wasn't in God's plan.
 
2014-07-30 12:20:18 AM  
1-for-7 and negative-1 yards passing, in preseason, will tend to do that.
 
2014-07-30 12:41:05 AM  

Gosling: 1-for-7 and negative-1 yards passing, in preseason, will tend to do that.


-1 passing yards? Seriously?

I could do better than that falling on the ground and screaming, "NOT IN THE FACE!"
 
2014-07-30 12:49:01 AM  

gilgigamesh: Gosling: 1-for-7 and negative-1 yards passing, in preseason, will tend to do that.

-1 passing yards? Seriously?

I could do better than that falling on the ground and screaming, "NOT IN THE FACE!"


Thank you
 
2014-07-30 12:57:06 AM  

gilgigamesh: Gosling: 1-for-7 and negative-1 yards passing, in preseason, will tend to do that.

-1 passing yards? Seriously?

I could do better than that falling on the ground and screaming, "NOT IN THE FACE!"


Seriously. Week 2 of preseason. Tampa Bay was the lucky beneficiary. He also had one pick that should have been more than that.

What did Tebow think of it? "I feel like I'm improving every day and you know, growing and learning, and learning the offense. That's what it's about - every day trying to get a little better."

A little better, he said.
 
2014-07-30 01:07:21 AM  

IAmRight: Triumph: Well, he is tied with Romo and Matt Ryan in playoff wins

Won almost as often as Ryan in 2013, too.


4 wins better than Tebow. Should be a t-shirt.
 
2014-07-30 01:19:36 AM  

slayer199: What I can't understand is why someone didn't try to correct his mechanics WAY before he got to the NFL.  And why AFTER he got into the NFL and was cut, didn't HE hire someone to work with him when he had the entire season to fix them?  Obviously, he has some athletic ability...but work ethic?  I guess that was left to God.


They didn't see a need.  He was winning games.  Ergo his form was fine.  That this ignored there is a difference between college and pro football wasn't considered important.
 
2014-07-30 01:24:40 AM  
I look forward to reading interviews with Art Briles, Kevin Sumlin, and Jimbo Fisher about their former quarterbacks in the next four to six years.
 
2014-07-30 01:31:24 AM  
Blab? Uwe Blab?

Enough with the Tebow nonsense. How many teams are going to so drastically change their offense, force their defense to play out of their minds, and then hope that Tebow will be able to make the one play that makes the difference? If he's so good, why doesn't Urban Meyer bring his offense to the NFL and do it himself? Seems like the coach in Philly did a decent job last year.
 
2014-07-30 01:45:44 AM  
His completion % percentage gets way overblown.  I know of at least one HoF QB that had a worse % than Tebow after 2 years in the league (and the HoF QB had more attempts, and a much crappier record).
 
2014-07-30 01:56:28 AM  
Tebow didn't lead the Broncos into the Post Season, the kicker did.
 
2014-07-30 02:29:41 AM  

TonyDanza: His completion % percentage gets way overblown.  I know of at least one HoF QB that had a worse % than Tebow after 2 years in the league (and the HoF QB had more attempts, and a much crappier record).


Yeah, Namath pretty much rode one game and a New York media in there.

My personal task with football's hall is really more along the lines of filling in the one last position they don't have covered after Ray Guy's induction: namely, long snapper. People set aside a roster spot for it like everybody else, so representation is only fair. Problem is that nobody ever even cares enough to go figure out who the 'best' one of all time is for anything other than a cheap laugh, let alone try and put together a Hall case for the guy.
 
2014-07-30 02:54:42 AM  
It says he's in "tremendous shape." Where are the detailed pics to back up that assertion? I want to see what some of those shapes are, and I don't want to have to wait for a disgruntled boyfriend to release them.
 
2014-07-30 03:09:49 AM  
As someone who bought into the idea of converting him to a TE (when drafted), I currently think it's somewhat ridiculous to have ever expected him to succeed there, too.

He was not necessarily quick or fast, and by NFL standards wasn't massive (nor would he have been the biggest TE), and he often made his best gains using deception with the playbook being drawn around his limited skillset. So unless the team he played for was going to run the hook and ladder all day (pitching to Tebow), I really don't see how he was going to succeed. He was NEVER the kind of athlete like Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, or Jimmy Graham (all college basketball players), I have no evidence that he can catch and run without starting from a dead stop, and I definitely don't think he'd have been any kind of decent blocking TE.
 
2014-07-30 03:19:47 AM  
The Browns should pick him up as Manzeil's backup just so ESPN moves their entire operation to Cleveland.
 
2014-07-30 03:57:35 AM  

phalamir: slayer199: What I can't understand is why someone didn't try to correct his mechanics WAY before he got to the NFL.  And why AFTER he got into the NFL and was cut, didn't HE hire someone to work with him when he had the entire season to fix them?  Obviously, he has some athletic ability...but work ethic?  I guess that was left to God.

They didn't see a need.  He was winning games.  Ergo his form was fine.  That this ignored there is a difference between college and pro football wasn't considered important.


Also college coaches aren't worried about if their players are successful in the pros. Their job depends on them winning now. And that's all they care about. If the QB has questionable mechanics but you continue to win... I'm not going to waste the limited time I have each week on a mechanical issue that won't get me any more wins.
 
2014-07-30 06:37:06 AM  
Clearly this is oppression of a devout Christian. Before every game, both teams gather in a group, get on their knees, bow their heads and discuss how to further oppress this young man.
 
2014-07-30 08:18:33 AM  

slayer199: What I can't understand is why someone didn't try to correct his mechanics WAY before he got to the NFL.


Ever watch Tebow play at UF? It was pretty much just the QB sneak with an occasional Favre.
 
2014-07-30 08:42:07 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The Browns should pick him up as Manzeil's backup just so ESPN moves their entire operation to Cleveland.


I think that's where his value is.  If I had a flailing NFL franchise I would certainly add him to the roster for the buzz-factor.  But I'm also the type of guy that would probably have Eddie Gaedel as my starting middle linebacker.
 
2014-07-30 08:51:22 AM  

TonyDanza: His completion % percentage gets way overblown.  I know of at least one HoF QB that had a worse % than Tebow after 2 years in the league (and the HoF QB had more attempts, and a much crappier record).


You can't compare QB stats from the 70's to QB stats for today.  His career Comp % would put him last in the league last year.. by 5 percentage points.
 
2014-07-30 09:09:02 AM  
Dude stop being stubborn. Just change positions. Go TE or WR and you can probably get back in the league. It should be obvious no one wants you at QB.
 
2014-07-30 09:12:30 AM  

abhorrent1: Dude stop being stubborn. Just change positions. Go TE or WR and you can probably get back in the league. It should be obvious no one wants you at QB.


Came here to make a similar statement.  He could probably cut it as a running back too.  Pretty much the entire league has switched to the running back "by committee" thing so I think there would be a spot for him somewhere there and he could be productive.
 
2014-07-30 09:16:03 AM  
The same reason why Meyer coaches in college and not in the NFL?

Meyers might be decent at coaching a team with 100 players, no salary cap and a schedule where 70% of the opponents are smaller/weaker teams. But the NFL doesn't work that way.

Same with Tebow. Running the option up the middle on 60% of the plays might work in college but the players in the NFL are a tad smarter and stronger than those in college.

Just a thought, coach.
 
2014-07-30 09:34:23 AM  
I think he'd be on a roster if he were willing to play a position other than quarterback, but he's apparently not willing to do that.

He's just the latest in a long string of Florida quarterbacks who were good in the college game and just not cut out for that position in the NFL.
 
2014-07-30 10:06:46 AM  

erupt2001: abhorrent1: Dude stop being stubborn. Just change positions. Go TE or WR and you can probably get back in the league. It should be obvious no one wants you at QB.

Came here to make a similar statement.  He could probably cut it as a running back too.  Pretty much the entire league has switched to the running back "by committee" thing so I think there would be a spot for him somewhere there and he could be productive.


This get put out in every Tebow thread and I have no idea why. What makes anyone think he has any pass catching or route running abilities whatsoever? Even so, why would any coach take on a media circus to burn a roster spot on a guy who maybe, possibly, sorta might be able to play a position when he could just sign a cheap FA or rookie who has already been playing in that spot for years and has proven to have that skillset?

The only other place Tebow might be able to play is at fullback and that is because his time with Florida and Denver showed him to have good running ability between the tackles. Even so, NFL fullbacks have to be adept at blocking and occasional pass catching and he hasn't been shown to possess either skill. Again, they can just sign a guy on the cheap who already plays FB rather than spend time, money and a roster spot on a guy playing out of position.
 
2014-07-30 10:24:24 AM  

Triumph: Well, he is tied with Romo and Matt Ryan in playoff wins, which is more than RG3 can say.


Which is a great argument against using playoff wins as a metric of QB success.
 
2014-07-30 10:40:41 AM  

the1hatman: This get put out in every Tebow thread and I have no idea why. What makes anyone think he has any pass catching or route running abilities whatsoever?


Well he obviously has no ability at QB. He can certainly run. Why not try?
 
2014-07-30 10:52:59 AM  
I like his brother Oscar better
 
2014-07-30 10:59:02 AM  
because passing efficiency is not required to be great in college

also because he was unwilling to change roles

if he did, he'd be immediately signed by a team
 
2014-07-30 11:27:53 AM  
I understand a coach wanting to support his former player.  If he really means it, he'll offer him a job as an assistant coach.  'Cause that guy can't play NFL QB.
 
2014-07-30 11:52:28 AM  

abhorrent1: Dude stop being stubborn. Just change positions. Go TE or WR and you can probably get back in the league. It should be obvious no one wants you at QB.


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2014-07-30 12:32:18 PM  

abhorrent1: the1hatman: This get put out in every Tebow thread and I have no idea why. What makes anyone think he has any pass catching or route running abilities whatsoever?

Well he obviously has no ability at QB. He can certainly run. Why not try?


Well again that would mean FB rather than TE and certainly not WR as suggested above.

As for why he doesn't it has to be one of two things; either he is too vain to give up being in the premier position in the sport or he simply does not want to be anything other than a QB and is ok with being out of the league if he can't get another shot at that spot.

Despite all the crap surrounding him I believe he is genuinely a good guy and a hard worker. I think if he really wanted to be in the NFL at any cost we would have seen him in someone's camp by now trying out at FB or special teams just to try and make a squad any way he could. If that is the case I say more power to him since most of us average schmoes would take a gig as the backup punter in Buffalo for meal money and free jerseys just say we were in the NFL. If he is ok with walking away rather than playing a spot he doesn't like that is admirable. However if it really is just vanity then fark him.
 
rka
2014-07-30 01:20:44 PM  

slayer199: What I can't understand is why someone didn't try to correct his mechanics WAY before he got to the NFL.  And why AFTER he got into the NFL and was cut, didn't HE hire someone to work with him when he had the entire season to fix them?  Obviously, he has some athletic ability...but work ethic?  I guess that was left to God.


Were you not paying attention? Tebow had mechanics coaches at every step of the way.

- Pre combine. Hell, they did an entire ESPN special on this.
- Pre-season Broncos year 1 (good god! he sucks)
- Pre-season Broncos year 2 (he's literally the 4th QB in camp, but Orton sucks too)
- Trent Dilfer workouts!
- Jets
- Patriots

Every damn year he had someone working on mechanics with him. He couldn't do it.
 
2014-07-30 01:26:41 PM  

rka: Every damn year he had someone working on mechanics with him. He couldn't do it.


In fairness when you bounce around with a bunch of different people working on your mechanics, sometimes you end up with, say, Charles Barkley's golf swing.
 
2014-07-30 01:34:40 PM  

abhorrent1: the1hatman: This get put out in every Tebow thread and I have no idea why. What makes anyone think he has any pass catching or route running abilities whatsoever?

Well he obviously has no ability at QB. He can certainly run. Why not try?


Why bother? Every team has TE types on their practice squads that are taller, faster, and have been playing the position for years. Besides, Tebow is not interested in the NFL unless he gets to play QB.
 
2014-07-30 02:16:20 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Triumph: Well, he is tied with Romo and Matt Ryan in playoff wins, which is more than RG3 can say.

All three of those guys are still in the league, which is more than...aw, never mind. Either you get why Tebow's commenting on games instead of playing in them -- or you don't.


I didn't interpret that as questioning why Tebow isn't playing as much as why some of those guys are.
 
2014-07-30 04:39:30 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Why bother? Every team has TE types on their practice squads that are taller, faster, and have been playing the position for years. Besides, Tebow is not interested in the NFL unless he gets to play QB.


And in Tebow's case, why would you bother doing something else and chasing someone else's dream, especially when it's something that you're also not going to succeed at? As you mentioned, there are hundreds of experienced tight ends and former basketball players that would make a better NFL TE, and most of them are younger, cheaper, and further along in their development at that position.

It's not like a whole lot of guys have converted from being a full-time QB in college to another position successfully. The most frequently cited ones were guys that were small/fast and played various positions throughout their college careers (Hines Ward, Antwaan Randle El). He doesn't have the speed of those guys, doesn't have the height or speed of a Matt Jones...the best he could hope for is to become a FB like Michael Robinson, but very few teams even use a FB anymore, there's nearly no money in it, relatively, and your job is literally to run into a wall from 3-4 yards away (or be a wall for someone else running at you from 5-6 yards away) 50+ times a week.

Yeah, I'd rather be an "analyst".
 
2014-07-30 05:27:27 PM  

IAmRight: Ow! That was my feelings!: Why bother? Every team has TE types on their practice squads that are taller, faster, and have been playing the position for years. Besides, Tebow is not interested in the NFL unless he gets to play QB.

And in Tebow's case, why would you bother doing something else and chasing someone else's dream, especially when it's something that you're also not going to succeed at? As you mentioned, there are hundreds of experienced tight ends and former basketball players that would make a better NFL TE, and most of them are younger, cheaper, and further along in their development at that position.

It's not like a whole lot of guys have converted from being a full-time QB in college to another position successfully. The most frequently cited ones were guys that were small/fast and played various positions throughout their college careers (Hines Ward, Antwaan Randle El). He doesn't have the speed of those guys, doesn't have the height or speed of a Matt Jones...the best he could hope for is to become a FB like Michael Robinson, but very few teams even use a FB anymore, there's nearly no money in it, relatively, and your job is literally to run into a wall from 3-4 yards away (or be a wall for someone else running at you from 5-6 yards away) 50+ times a week.

Yeah, I'd rather be an "analyst".


This might be the first time we've agreed in a Tebow thread. Enjoy the End of Days.
 
2014-07-30 06:17:10 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: This might be the first time we've agreed in a Tebow thread. Enjoy the End of Days.


My support for Tebow continuing to have a starting job is basically me wanting to ride the hot craps shooter and see how long he can keep defying the odds, while everyone else wants him to be kicked out while he's ahead.

I have no rooting interest in any team he's involved in, so it's fun to watch people who insist two things:

1) In order to win, you have to have a good quarterback, and
2) Tim Tebow is an awful quarterback

Stammer on and on about how they're winning despite him and how none of his contributions count...then, in the next segment/thread, go on about how the QB deserves all the credit/blame for everything, always.
 
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