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(Globe and Mail)   How do you get revenge for a 14-1 loss? You sweep the rest of the series then exactly one week later beat the other team 14-1   (theglobeandmail.com) divider line 31
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2014-07-30 06:52:21 AM  
Depends on the sport.

14-1 in baseball is an example of skill disparity.

14-1 in basketball is an amazing near-tie.
 
2014-07-30 07:03:56 AM  
That 14-1 game last week was probably the Red Sox' last stand. By the end of the day tomorrow the team will probably be gutted for spare parts.
 
2014-07-30 07:05:40 AM  
Toronto fans-- particularly subby:

I know it's been a while since the Jays were good. And I know last year was an incredible disappointment from start to finish. But this year they're actually in the hunt; they currently have one of the two wild card spots despite being streaky! When in that position, bragging about a 13 run win over the last place team in the division (who recently beat you by 13 runs AND is about to have a firesale) is probably not the way to go. I'd be more interested in the recent sweep handed to the Jays by the Athletics as an indicator of how the Fall looks for them.
 
2014-07-30 07:26:40 AM  

WinoRhino: Toronto fans-- particularly subby:

I know it's been a while since the Jays were good. And I know last year was an incredible disappointment from start to finish. But this year they're actually in the hunt; they currently have one of the two wild card spots despite being streaky! When in that position, bragging about a 13 run win over the last place team in the division (who recently beat you by 13 runs AND is about to have a firesale) is probably not the way to go. I'd be more interested in the recent sweep handed to the Jays by the Athletics as an indicator of how the Fall looks for them.


Fair enough.

Still, fark Boston forever. And ever.

/go Jays go.
 
2014-07-30 07:50:53 AM  

WinoRhino: Toronto fans-- particularly subby:

I know it's been a while since the Jays were good. And I know last year was an incredible disappointment from start to finish. But this year they're actually in the hunt; they currently have one of the two wild card spots despite being streaky! When in that position, bragging about a 13 run win over the last place team in the division (who recently beat you by 13 runs AND is about to have a firesale) is probably not the way to go. I'd be more interested in the recent sweep handed to the Jays by the Athletics as an indicator of how the Fall looks for them.


we were supposed to have an easy schedule post break, we're just capitalizing.  4 Series wins in a row including breaking the yankee stadium curse and going for the sweep in bean town tonight.  All without our best lefty bat, the parrot, and lawrie.

nope. shouldn't be excited

/also, we're .500 against the A's this year.
 
2014-07-30 08:03:09 AM  
glass houses subby, I'd be careful

toronto.ctvnews.ca

/worst to first.....to worst!!
//the kids today finally are getting the long term view of what it means to be a Sox fan
///my lawn needs more slashies
 
2014-07-30 08:13:00 AM  

inclemency: Fair enough.

Still, fark Boston forever. And ever.

/go Jays go.


Hey, remember that time the Bruins the Bruins scored 2 goals in like a minute to tie up Game 7 during the playoffs, and then won in OT?

That was awesome.
 
2014-07-30 08:51:26 AM  
More like Red SUX, amiriteamiriteriterite???
 
2014-07-30 08:54:04 AM  

Publikwerks: Hey, remember that time the Bruins the Bruins scored 2 goals in like a minute to tie up Game 7 during the playoffs, and then won in OT?

That was awesome.



I thought that was the other way 'round, in the SCF, against Chicago? Maybe I'm misremembering...

/had to
//don't even like Toronto
 
2014-07-30 09:18:21 AM  

WinoRhino: Toronto fans-- particularly subby:

I know it's been a while since the Jays were good. And I know last year was an incredible disappointment from start to finish. But this year they're actually in the hunt; they currently have one of the two wild card spots despite being streaky! When in that position, bragging about a 13 run win over the last place team in the division (who recently beat you by 13 runs AND is about to have a firesale) is probably not the way to go. I'd be more interested in the recent sweep handed to the Jays by the Athletics as an indicator of how the Fall looks for them.


Well, the Jays swept the A's earlier in the year before they were hit by injuries to 3 of their best hitters and their June-July swoon. I'd say both series against the A's were not a true measure. No team can stay as hot as the Jays were in May or as bad as they were before the break. So reality is somewhere in the middle which may be right now, where for the first time in years, the Jays are beating teams they are supposed to beat.
 
2014-07-30 09:22:27 AM  

swankywanky: glass houses subby, I'd be careful


Heh.
 
2014-07-30 09:23:26 AM  

Loomy: Publikwerks: Hey, remember that time the Bruins the Bruins scored 2 goals in like a minute to tie up Game 7 during the playoffs, and then won in OT?

That was awesome.


I thought that was the other way 'round, in the SCF, against Chicago? Maybe I'm misremembering...

/had to
//don't even like Toronto


Yeah, they just imploded that game at the end. But, them the breaks. In a way(and I said it in the fark threads), everything after the Toronto series was bonus hockey, so it didn't sting that bad.
 
2014-07-30 09:25:36 AM  

Decillion: Well, the Jays swept the A's earlier in the year before they were hit by injuries to 3 of their best hitters and their June-July swoon. I'd say both series against the A's were not a true measure. No team can stay as hot as the Jays were in May or as bad as they were before the break. So reality is somewhere in the middle which may be right now, where for the first time in years, the Jays are beating teams they are supposed to beat.


The reality is in about a week or two, any teams that start really hitting their stride will do well in the post season.

I wonder what the Sox will look like in a week or two.

//I will miss Lester.
 
2014-07-30 09:58:10 AM  

thecpt: also, we're .500 against the A's this year.


Decillion: Well, the Jays swept the A's earlier in the year before they were hit by injuries to 3 of their best hitters


Points taken! I stand corrected on my statement about the A's. Carry on.
 
2014-07-30 09:58:21 AM  
Wait, you mean in baseball a team can beat one team 14-1 then lose the next few games?

This is new!
 
2014-07-30 10:47:49 AM  
Ya know, I really don't care all that much (as in I do care a little bit), that the Red Sox are shiatting the bed this year after winning it all last year.
I just wish it was more near losses instead of these "Fark it, just not gonna show up and get blown out" kinda losses.

Ah, well. Have fun storming the castle, Blue Jays.
 
2014-07-30 10:53:08 AM  

Publikwerks: inclemency: Fair enough.

Still, fark Boston forever. And ever.

/go Jays go.

Hey, remember that time the Bruins the Bruins scored 2 goals in like a minute to tie up Game 7 during the playoffs, and then won in OT?

That was awesome.


Whenever I'm feeling sad I go to Youtube and watch the highlights from that game, I am instantly happy.
 
2014-07-30 11:00:14 AM  
Seriously, how does a team that wins a world series the previous year end up at the bottom of the division the next year? I'm sure not having Toronto for a punching bag like usual contributes, but there's gotta be more than that.
 
2014-07-30 12:27:55 PM  

idesofmarch: Seriously, how does a team that wins a world series the previous year end up at the bottom of the division the next year? I'm sure not having Toronto for a punching bag like usual contributes, but there's gotta be more than that.


Well if you look at injuries; trading your players away - it falls apart eventually. Yankees looked good coming out of the gate; but now having only ONE starting pitcher and more on the DL payroll then most teams have; yeah your season is going to suck.
 
2014-07-30 12:39:39 PM  

Misconduc: idesofmarch: Seriously, how does a team that wins a world series the previous year end up at the bottom of the division the next year? I'm sure not having Toronto for a punching bag like usual contributes, but there's gotta be more than that.

Well if you look at injuries; trading your players away - it falls apart eventually. Yankees looked good coming out of the gate; but now having only ONE starting pitcher and more on the DL payroll then most teams have; yeah your season is going to suck.


How bad is Boston's injury situation? I haven't been paying that as much attention since I quit fantasy baseball.

No question about the Yankees - I think the fact they are even in contention at all is a freaking miracle.
 
2014-07-30 12:42:55 PM  

idesofmarch: Seriously, how does a team that wins a world series the previous year end up at the bottom of the division the next year? I'm sure not having Toronto for a punching bag like usual contributes, but there's gotta be more than that.


I've thought about quite a bit over the season. The quick answer is they completely overachieved last year. The real question shouldn't be why they suck this year, but why they were so tremendous last year. That championship was a miracle, honestly. But on the surface, this year has its own set of troubles:

Slumping all-stars: Pedroia is 25 points below career avg, less power, more Ks. Ortiz is 35 points below career avg, though same power as always, thankfully.

In the outfield, they started the season with the Sizemore experiment which failed, and they lost some average from Ellsbury's departure. Victorino was injured and hasn't played much this season. Jackie Bradley, Jr. hasn't set the world on fire with his bat. Mike Carp is... Mike Carp. He sucks. AND he's demanding a trade which is the funniest of all things to me.

In the infield, Bogaerts isn't doing so well at the plate. Will Middlebrooks who was pretty good in the second half of last year is back in the minors working things out. STEPHEN farkING DREW.

Gomes and Napoli are playing exactly like you'd expect them to, based on their career numbers: okay to mediocre.

Behind the plate, Ross was never much of a threat offensively, and you had another experiment go awry with the universally loathed Pierzynski.

So you have two stars who are slumping, a bunch of rookies who are still settling in, and a few failed experiments.
 
2014-07-30 12:58:41 PM  
WinoRhino:

That explains a lot, thanks.
 
2014-07-30 01:04:03 PM  

idesofmarch: WinoRhino:

That explains a lot, thanks.


Sure thing. Though I forgot pitching, but it's easy to summarize: the only bright spots are about to be traded (Miller, Uehara, and Lester.)
 
2014-07-30 02:27:47 PM  

WinoRhino: I've thought about quite a bit over the season. The quick answer is they completely overachieved last year. The real question shouldn't be why they suck this year, but why they were so tremendous last year. That championship was a miracle, honestly. But on the surface, this year has its own set of troubles:

Slumping all-stars: Pedroia is 25 points below career avg, less power, more Ks. Ortiz is 35 points below career avg, though same power as always, thankfully.

In the outfield, they started the season with the Sizemore experiment which failed, and they lost some average from Ellsbury's departure. Victorino was injured and hasn't played much this season. Jackie Bradley, Jr. hasn't set the world on fire with his bat. Mike Carp is... Mike Carp. He sucks. AND he's demanding a trade which is the funniest of all things to me.

In the infield, Bogaerts isn't doing so well at the plate. Will Middlebrooks who was pretty good in the second half of last year is back in the minors working things out. STEPHEN farkING DREW.

Gomes and Napoli are playing exactly like you'd expect them to, based on their career numbers: okay to mediocre.

Behind the plate, Ross was never much of a threat offensively, and you had another experiment go awry with the universally loathed Pierzynski.

So you have two stars who are slumping, a bunch of rookies who are still settling in, and a few failed experiments.


As much as it pains most Sox fans to say it, Ellsbury is a big part of it.  Granted, there are a few failed experiments in there (SFD, AJ, etc), and outfield by committee is dumber than closer by committee (and would be worse if a NATURAL SECOND BASEMAN wasn't playing his ass off out there).  But they can't get stuff going, and when they do they can't get RBIs.  Granted, Ellsbury couldn't help with the latter, but he would definitely change the former.  Not to mention that he'd be taking one of those mediocre outfield bats out of the lineup.

All in all, Cherington has done a great job of doing what Lucchino tells him to do, and showing how dumb it is. Mr. Wannabe Youk (or Mr. Jenny Dell, whatever you wish to call his crappy ass) was never gonna be more than a flash in the pan, and Xander has way too much pressure on him right now. There is no reason on earth SFD should've ever been brought back (ESPECIALLY since it farked up Xander and coincided with the rise of Brock Holt), and the AJ idea may have looked good on the ledger, but it sure as fark never made any sense any other way.  Like most I'm beyond caring about Sizemore, and we wouldn't be having to worry about the issues with JBJ's bat if Victorino was healthy.

\won't even get into the schizophrenic pitching staff, or Farrell's obsession with Mujica and Triple-Hop
 
2014-07-30 02:52:29 PM  
Lester is out tonight and Toronto is rumored to the front runner to acquire him.  I highly doubt that since the asking price is likely to be Stroman or Sanchez and some prospects.
 
2014-07-30 03:23:11 PM  

Flappyhead: Lester is out tonight and Toronto is rumored to the front runner to acquire him.  I highly doubt that since the asking price is likely to be Stroman or Sanchez and some prospects.


I doubt they'd give up either for a rental. No point in giving up Stroman for Lester given that Stroman is the heart of their rotation at the moment, and Sanchez is still considered the great future hope. If the Jays part with a prospect for Lester, it'll be someone like Taylor Cole.
 
2014-07-30 04:10:25 PM  
Got to watch Stroman play all last season here in NH. The kid is a beast. Future all-star, good head on his shoulders and all around nice guy. One of the few guys I've seen that loved talking with the fans and taking pictures with the kids (and big kids too).
 
2014-07-30 09:02:30 PM  
On the off chance anyone checks this thread and is watching the game tonight, how was that not illegally blocking the basepath on Vasquez? Cabrera's coming in, Vasquez steps onto the basepath before the ball is even close, Cabrera has to go around, and he gets tagged out. Isn't that a textbook case of the new catcher rule?
 
2014-07-30 11:12:56 PM  

neon_god: On the off chance anyone checks this thread and is watching the game tonight, how was that not illegally blocking the basepath on Vasquez? Cabrera's coming in, Vasquez steps onto the basepath before the ball is even close, Cabrera has to go around, and he gets tagged out. Isn't that a textbook case of the new catcher rule?


I watched that. I wondered if it mattered that Melky never touched the base on the play. Like, he may have been blocked by Vazquez but still out on an after the fact base running mistake.
/ It's a dumb rule.
 
2014-07-30 11:25:59 PM  

TeamEd: neon_god: On the off chance anyone checks this thread and is watching the game tonight, how was that not illegally blocking the basepath on Vasquez? Cabrera's coming in, Vasquez steps onto the basepath before the ball is even close, Cabrera has to go around, and he gets tagged out. Isn't that a textbook case of the new catcher rule?

I watched that. I wondered if it mattered that Melky never touched the base on the play. Like, he may have been blocked by Vazquez but still out on an after the fact base running mistake.
/ It's a dumb rule.


That could be it. The rule is definitely weird.
 
2014-07-31 02:16:09 PM  

swankywanky: glass houses subby, I'd be careful

Thanks for posting that. I needed some new desktop wallpaper.

 
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