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(Guardian)   Pootie Poot says Obama is making him feel bad and he may just take his polonium and go home   (theguardian.com) divider line 45
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2014-07-29 10:56:48 AM
Washington has also been reticent because of the technical differences in definition of what constitutes the range of a missile under the INF treaty.

Farking MILES not kilometers commies.
 
2014-07-29 12:16:52 PM
"You don't like the fact that we don't follow the treaties we sign? Fine, maybe we won't sign this one. See how you like them apples!"
 
2014-07-29 12:17:01 PM
Let's get this Cold War going! Also, can we have another Space Race, please?
 
2014-07-29 12:18:47 PM

Fluid: can we have another Space Race, please?


Ask and ye shall receive:

www.freakingnews.com
 
2014-07-29 12:21:17 PM
 
2014-07-29 12:22:56 PM

Fluid: Let's get this Cold War going! Also, can we have another Space Race, please?


If a bunch of insecure nationalists need a space race to to have a dick measuring contest and the end result is we get to mars, I am okay with that.
 
2014-07-29 12:23:20 PM

Infernalist: Russia's having a bad week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/world/europe/us-and-europe-agree-t o- escalate-sanctions-on-russia.html?referrer=

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/business/international/yukos-share ho lders-awarded-about-50-billion-in-court-ruling.html


Russian oligarchs to remove Putin any. . .  day. . .  now. . .
 
2014-07-29 12:23:25 PM
Apparently this administration & the last are locked in some kind of "worst. foreign policy. ever." competition. Bush had no rival when it came to massive, short-term, zero-benefit expenditures, but Obama has really shown himself to be the master of the "burn the crops & salt the earth" long game.

I guess we all win in the end.
 
2014-07-29 12:23:48 PM
Ah, jeez. Just push the button already, so those of us that survive won't have to put up with worrying about this shiat anymore.

Because it's obvious no country is willing to be the big boy and just not have them (besides South Africa).
 
2014-07-29 12:24:32 PM
warosu.org
 
2014-07-29 12:28:29 PM

Sentient: Apparently this administration & the last are locked in some kind of "worst. foreign policy. ever." competition. Bush had no rival when it came to massive, short-term, zero-benefit expenditures, but Obama has really shown himself to be the master of the "burn the crops & salt the earth" long game.

I guess we all win in the end.


I believe we really need the situations reversed, Obama's foreign policy would have better dealt with Iraq and Afghanistan, Bush was trigger happy enough that Putin would have been very worried about his response.

/Clinton would have already employed Cruise Missile Diplomacy to deal with Russia which while crude is effective.
 
2014-07-29 12:28:32 PM

Boojum2k: Infernalist: Russia's having a bad week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/world/europe/us-and-europe-agree-t o- escalate-sanctions-on-russia.html?referrer=

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/business/international/yukos-share ho lders-awarded-about-50-billion-in-court-ruling.html

Russian oligarchs to remove Putin any. . .  day. . .  now. . .


No chance. He's been consolidating power for a while now. He's almost insurmountable. Hopefully Putin goes all paranoid crazy and starts having his friends killed. That would be the  most destabilising thing I could imagine.
 
2014-07-29 12:29:28 PM

Boojum2k: Infernalist: Russia's having a bad week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/world/europe/us-and-europe-agree-t o- escalate-sanctions-on-russia.html?referrer=

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/business/international/yukos-share ho lders-awarded-about-50-billion-in-court-ruling.html

Russian oligarchs to remove Putin any. . .  day. . .  now. . .


Whether they do or don't, Russia's getting their nuts cut off on the global stage.  If they do remove him, Russia is diminished and any plans for a Russian resurgence gets squashed.   If they don't remove him, then Russia is economically devastated and reduced to the level of a moderate third world country.  The trick is keeping the Russians from using nukes.  Other than that, this whole thing is all but done.
 
2014-07-29 12:33:38 PM

Infernalist: If they do remove him, Russia is diminished and any plans for a Russian resurgence gets squashed. If they don't remove him, then Russia is economically devastated and reduced to the level of a moderate third world country. The trick is keeping the Russians from using nukes. Other than that, this whole thing is all but done.


Is it one weird trick?
 
2014-07-29 12:34:28 PM

Slaxl: Hopefully Putin goes all paranoid crazy and starts having his friends killed. That would be the most destabilising thing I could imagine.


Russian's are pretty much used to that, it's one of their benchmarks for "strong leader."
 
2014-07-29 12:34:43 PM
DNRTFA ...was more interested in the topless sunbathing article with a pic of Brigitte Bardo in her prime.
 
2014-07-29 12:35:14 PM

Tom_Slick: I believe we really need the situations reversed, Obama's foreign policy would have better dealt with Iraq and Afghanistan, Bush was trigger happy enough that Putin would have been very worried about his response.

/Clinton would have already employed Cruise Missile Diplomacy to deal with Russia which while crude is effective.


Heh, didn't think of it that way. You're right about Obama & the 'Stans, but there's no way I'd bet my life on either Bush or Putin having the sense to back down before things went all mushroom-shaped.

Say what you will about them, but I'd be perfectly happy with another Reagan or Clinton.
 
2014-07-29 12:36:11 PM

Fluid: Let's get this Cold War going!


In my view that is the underlying goal. Russia resents Obama's "Pivot to Asia" and so is causing as much attention-whoring trouble as he can to try and bring back those glory days. Hell hath no fury like a Russian bear scorned and all that.

The sad part is that Putin might just succeed because in truth Europe is a bunch of lame ass reprobates who couldn't find the wherewithal to combat a headless chicken. Part of me thinks we should not only let Russia have the Ukraine but Germany and France and the rest of it too. We should be sick and tired of hauling Europe's ass out of the god-damn fire.
 
2014-07-29 12:37:04 PM
Actually, I think this is sort of bad. It's not their polonium we want, it's their plutonium 238. I think we're almost out, or we have enough for one more deep space mission. That's the fuel in RTGs used to power probes too far away to use solar panels (or have high power requirements) ... And I think the only stockpile of 238 left is in Russia's hands.
 
2014-07-29 12:42:48 PM

Boojum2k: Infernalist: If they do remove him, Russia is diminished and any plans for a Russian resurgence gets squashed. If they don't remove him, then Russia is economically devastated and reduced to the level of a moderate third world country. The trick is keeping the Russians from using nukes. Other than that, this whole thing is all but done.

Is it one weird trick?


Russians hate this guy for sharing it.
 
2014-07-29 12:43:30 PM

Boojum2k: Infernalist: If they do remove him, Russia is diminished and any plans for a Russian resurgence gets squashed. If they don't remove him, then Russia is economically devastated and reduced to the level of a moderate third world country. The trick is keeping the Russians from using nukes. Other than that, this whole thing is all but done.

Is it one weird trick?


Russians hate him!
 
2014-07-29 12:55:29 PM

Tom_Slick: Sentient: Apparently this administration & the last are locked in some kind of "worst. foreign policy. ever." competition. Bush had no rival when it came to massive, short-term, zero-benefit expenditures, but Obama has really shown himself to be the master of the "burn the crops & salt the earth" long game.

I guess we all win in the end.

I believe we really need the situations reversed, Obama's foreign policy would have better dealt with Iraq and Afghanistan, Bush was trigger happy enough that Putin would have been very worried about his response.

/Clinton would have already employed Cruise Missile Diplomacy to deal with Russia which while crude is effective.


Yeah, but if they'd been reversed, we'd only be halfway through the great Libyan and Syrian wars.
 
2014-07-29 01:10:28 PM
Thanks, Obama Putin.
 
2014-07-29 01:12:08 PM

Sentient: Tom_Slick: I believe we really need the situations reversed, Obama's foreign policy would have better dealt with Iraq and Afghanistan, Bush was trigger happy enough that Putin would have been very worried about his response.

/Clinton would have already employed Cruise Missile Diplomacy to deal with Russia which while crude is effective.

Heh, didn't think of it that way. You're right about Obama & the 'Stans, but there's no way I'd bet my life on either Bush or Putin having the sense to back down before things went all mushroom-shaped.

Say what you will about them, but I'd be perfectly happy with another Reagan or Clinton.



As addled as Reagan was getting near the end he was never one to appease or bow to another leader. Sure, it was part of his Hollywood heritage to be the tough sheriff but wasn't afraid to tell other countries to back off.


 Clinton saved his Cruise Missile for Monica. His military intervention was limited and half-assed, tied to Nato/UN (Bosnia, Haiti, Somalia). His Operation Infinite Reach in 1998 was where we launched cruise missiles against a supposed chemical weapon plant and an al-Queda training camp where OBL was supposedly staying. But, gee, the intel was bad and OBL was already gone and the chemical plant was actually making pharmaceuticals. Glad the intel problem was resolved before the US got involved in any military actions based on bad info. Not to mention that a  lot of people thought that Bill approved the mission to turn attention away from the Monica scandal that was just emerging.
 
2014-07-29 01:23:51 PM
RIP, Polonium
mytimeblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-29 01:33:56 PM
Good. Let him fark off.
 
2014-07-29 01:58:58 PM

MooseBayou: RIP, Polonium
[mytimeblog.files.wordpress.com image 250x289]


monday, tuesday, thursday, wednesday!
 
2014-07-29 02:02:01 PM
How interesting. Obama is drone killing people around the world, Democrat led policies are destroying nations left and right, Democrat led State Department is arming everybody in the world with guns, heavy weapons and even Armor and no one questions Obama on .. show us the proof Russia did this in 1988 ..
 
2014-07-29 02:04:56 PM

Sentient: Apparently this administration & the last are locked in some kind of "worst. foreign policy. ever." competition.


just curious - apart from targeted sanctions and waiting for russia to collapse economically as it further isolates itself - what could obama have done? invaded? drone strikes?

putin knows that after 13 years of war (thanks, bush!), americans have no stomach for military conflict. he knows that, despite the caterwauling on the far right, obama isn't stupid enough to engage militarily.

but you can bet that since the invasion of ukraine, business deals are imploding left and right, losing russia billions of dollars in foreign investment. and europe will now seriously begin weaning itself off russian gas. add to that tighter sanctions as putin blunders around eastern europe like a bear in a china shop, and it's pretty easy to see that the writing is on the wall.

putin's ego has set russia on the path to complete economic annihilation. if they actually had a free press, he might be overthrown by the people. but since they basically only have russian fox news, the people will remain loyal as their country crumbles.
 
2014-07-29 02:20:38 PM

FlashHarry: Sentient: Apparently this administration & the last are locked in some kind of "worst. foreign policy. ever." competition.

just curious - apart from targeted sanctions and waiting for russia to collapse economically as it further isolates itself - what could obama have done? invaded? drone strikes?

putin knows that after 13 years of war (thanks, bush!), americans have no stomach for military conflict. he knows that, despite the caterwauling on the far right, obama isn't stupid enough to engage militarily.

but you can bet that since the invasion of ukraine, business deals are imploding left and right, losing russia billions of dollars in foreign investment. and europe will now seriously begin weaning itself off russian gas. add to that tighter sanctions as putin blunders around eastern europe like a bear in a china shop, and it's pretty easy to see that the writing is on the wall.

putin's ego has set russia on the path to complete economic annihilation. if they actually had a free press, he might be overthrown by the people. but since they basically only have russian fox news, the people will remain loyal as their country crumbles.


When it comes to matters of national defense what difference does it make what the American people can stomach? That's what leadership is all about, making tough decisions

My 2 year old gets upset every single time I won't let her play in the road. Should I let her do it so she won't get mad?

As far what else could he do. The day Crimea was annexed he should have made it known the US was restarting missle shield programs in Europe (Star Wars) Russia firing this artillery into Ukraine I think would have been a good spot to tell Putin look, we're not gonna sit around and let you lob bombs into other sovereign nations. If it happens there will be military consequences.

Then if Putin does it, use stealth bombers and fighters on that artillery. What's Putin gonna do, nuke us? Hell no. You don't make a bully stop by politely asking them to, especially if he's a lot weaker than you. You punch him in the mouth
 
2014-07-29 03:16:49 PM

FlashHarry: MooseBayou: RIP, Polonium
[mytimeblog.files.wordpress.com image 250x289]

monday, tuesday, thursday, wednesday!


I LOL'd
 
2014-07-29 03:21:03 PM

GrizzlyPouch: FlashHarry: Sentient: Apparently this administration & the last are locked in some kind of "worst. foreign policy. ever." competition.

just curious - apart from targeted sanctions and waiting for russia to collapse economically as it further isolates itself - what could obama have done? invaded? drone strikes?

putin knows that after 13 years of war (thanks, bush!), americans have no stomach for military conflict. he knows that, despite the caterwauling on the far right, obama isn't stupid enough to engage militarily.

but you can bet that since the invasion of ukraine, business deals are imploding left and right, losing russia billions of dollars in foreign investment. and europe will now seriously begin weaning itself off russian gas. add to that tighter sanctions as putin blunders around eastern europe like a bear in a china shop, and it's pretty easy to see that the writing is on the wall.

putin's ego has set russia on the path to complete economic annihilation. if they actually had a free press, he might be overthrown by the people. but since they basically only have russian fox news, the people will remain loyal as their country crumbles.

When it comes to matters of national defense what difference does it make what the American people can stomach? That's what leadership is all about, making tough decisions

My 2 year old gets upset every single time I won't let her play in the road. Should I let her do it so she won't get mad?

As far what else could he do. The day Crimea was annexed he should have made it known the US was restarting missle shield programs in Europe (Star Wars) Russia firing this artillery into Ukraine I think would have been a good spot to tell Putin look, we're not gonna sit around and let you lob bombs into other sovereign nations. If it happens there will be military consequences.

Then if Putin does it, use stealth bombers and fighters on that artillery. What's Putin gonna do, nuke us? Hell no. You don't make a bully stop b ...


Let me get this straight, you're advocating an armed altercation with a nuclear armed nation?  Because why?  Why is the not so subtle application of diplomacy and economic pressure inadequate?  It is starting to show signs of working, faster than an armed conflict, with less cost for us in treasure and life.
 
2014-07-29 03:22:02 PM

blindio: It is starting to show signs of working


Hopefully this doesn't become another "turning the corner." But I wouldn't bet on it.
 
2014-07-29 03:28:15 PM

FlashHarry: Sentient: Apparently this administration & the last are locked in some kind of "worst. foreign policy. ever." competition.

just curious - apart from targeted sanctions and waiting for russia to collapse economically as it further isolates itself - what could obama have done? invaded? drone strikes?

putin knows that after 13 years of war (thanks, bush!), americans have no stomach for military conflict. he knows that, despite the caterwauling on the far right, obama isn't stupid enough to engage militarily.

but you can bet that since the invasion of ukraine, business deals are imploding left and right, losing russia billions of dollars in foreign investment. and europe will now seriously begin weaning itself off russian gas. add to that tighter sanctions as putin blunders around eastern europe like a bear in a china shop, and it's pretty easy to see that the writing is on the wall.

putin's ego has set russia on the path to complete economic annihilation. if they actually had a free press, he might be overthrown by the people. but since they basically only have russian fox news, the people will remain loyal as their country crumbles.


Out of curiosity, just how long does Obama have to be in office before you think "but...but...BUSH!" has run its course? Because we're not far from half the "[x] years of war (thanks, bush!)" being on Obama's watch. Don't get me wrong, Bush was a drooling moron (apologies to drooling moron everywhere), but just where has Obama done more than lip service to ending any conflict that existed when he got in office?
 
2014-07-29 03:36:12 PM

GrizzlyPouch: When it comes to matters of national defense what difference does it make what the American people can stomach? That's what leadership is all about, making tough decisions


are you farking kidding me? does vietnam ring a bell?
 
2014-07-29 03:51:03 PM

FlashHarry: GrizzlyPouch: When it comes to matters of national defense what difference does it make what the American people can stomach? That's what leadership is all about, making tough decisions

are you farking kidding me? does vietnam ring a bell?


That's about getting  out of the conflict. Government doesn't give a rodent's rectum who cares about getting  into a military conflict. Do you really think there were a a whole bunch of people jumping up and down in front of the White House, yelling, "Let's go to Korea/Vietnam/Grenada/Serbia" (depending on the era) and someone inside thinking, "Wow, that sounds like a good idea."
 
2014-07-29 04:11:52 PM
Carousel Beast:

Out of curiosity, just how long does Obama have to be in office before you think "but...but...BUSH!" has run its course? Because we're not far from half the "[x] years of war (thanks, bush!)" being on Obama's watch. Don't get me wrong, Bush was a drooling moron (apologies to drooling moron everywhere), but just where has Obama done more than lip service to ending any conflict that existed when he got in office?

There are currently 750 US troops in Iraq.
 
2014-07-29 04:31:29 PM

Slypork: Government doesn't give a rodent's rectum who cares about getting  into a military conflict.


that simply isn't true today. i don't care if you're a republican or a democrat, you weigh national opinion before doing anything of that nature. especially when you're talking about engaging in a war with a country the size and strength of russia over its intervention in another country halfway around the world. one, i might add, that's not even a NATO member state.
 
2014-07-29 04:34:28 PM

Slypork: Government doesn't give a rodent's rectum who cares about getting  into a military conflict.


besides, obama would have to ask congress' permission to do this or risk impeachment, and there's NO way republicans would allow him. especially since most of them prefer putin in the first place.
 
2014-07-29 04:34:48 PM

hchaos: Carousel Beast:

Out of curiosity, just how long does Obama have to be in office before you think "but...but...BUSH!" has run its course? Because we're not far from half the "[x] years of war (thanks, bush!)" being on Obama's watch. Don't get me wrong, Bush was a drooling moron (apologies to drooling moron everywhere), but just where has Obama done more than lip service to ending any conflict that existed when he got in office?

There are currently 750 US troops in Iraq.


Up to 825 as of last week. Should the ISIS hit the fan expect that number to increase. Of course they will just be "military advisers" and not combat troops.
 
2014-07-29 04:36:24 PM

Carousel Beast: FlashHarry: Sentient: Apparently this administration & the last are locked in some kind of "worst. foreign policy. ever." competition.

just curious - apart from targeted sanctions and waiting for russia to collapse economically as it further isolates itself - what could obama have done? invaded? drone strikes?

putin knows that after 13 years of war (thanks, bush!), americans have no stomach for military conflict. he knows that, despite the caterwauling on the far right, obama isn't stupid enough to engage militarily.

but you can bet that since the invasion of ukraine, business deals are imploding left and right, losing russia billions of dollars in foreign investment. and europe will now seriously begin weaning itself off russian gas. add to that tighter sanctions as putin blunders around eastern europe like a bear in a china shop, and it's pretty easy to see that the writing is on the wall.

putin's ego has set russia on the path to complete economic annihilation. if they actually had a free press, he might be overthrown by the people. but since they basically only have russian fox news, the people will remain loyal as their country crumbles.

Out of curiosity, just how long does Obama have to be in office before you think "but...but...BUSH!" has run its course? Because we're not far from half the "[x] years of war (thanks, bush!)" being on Obama's watch. Don't get me wrong, Bush was a drooling moron (apologies to drooling moron everywhere), but just where has Obama done more than lip service to ending any conflict that existed when he got in office?


OBAMA, Y U NO END CONFLICTS?
 
2014-07-29 05:39:18 PM
God, I can't believe the American morons that think they are the only economy on the planet.  First, the US just lost two wars with countries that don't have an army.  We are not going to take on Russia.  Second, why would Putin be the least bit concerned about dealing with a nearly broke USA and its Eurotrash lap dogs when he is getting friendlier and friendlier with China and India, which will be where the real money will be in a few more years.  Russia has plenty of natural resources that both countries need, and both seem to be willing to trade in something other than dollars.  The US and NATO are the ones isolating themselves, and they are too farking stupid to even suspect it.
 
2014-07-29 05:46:31 PM

GranPuro: The US and NATO are the ones isolating themselves, and they are too farking stupid to even suspect it.


LOL
 
2014-07-29 05:48:40 PM

FlashHarry: GranPuro: The US and NATO are the ones isolating themselves, and they are too farking stupid to even suspect it.

LOL


Yeah, my thought was "well, we've now heard from Putin's version of Baghdad Bob."
 
2014-07-29 10:28:47 PM
Since Gazprom assets are fair game based on the Yukos verdict, who gets custody of the gas pipeline in the Ukraine?
 
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