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2014-07-29 09:22:38 AM  
Because if there's one name I trust in gaming, it's John Romero.
 
2014-07-29 09:36:22 AM  

Mentat: Because if there's one name I trust in gaming, it's John Romero.


i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-07-29 09:57:16 AM  
I don't have any of the newest consoles, but consoles are pretty fun.  PCs are pretty fun.  Good PC games have some pretty strong advantages, but a fun game is a fun game, yo.
 
2014-07-29 10:51:04 AM  
i970.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-29 11:13:44 AM  

Mentat: Because if there's one name I trust in gaming, it's John Romero.


Done in one.
 
2014-07-29 11:14:47 AM  
Mean while PS4 and Xbox one is about to hit 15 million in less than a year
 
2014-07-29 11:16:45 AM  

Saborlas: [i970.photobucket.com image 842x386]


Hell, in FPSs, using a mouse is practically cheating. Console players get cheats by default (aim assistance) because the gamepad is an inferior input device for such games.
 
2014-07-29 11:20:28 AM  
Yum, 60fps if you're lucky.
 
2014-07-29 11:23:29 AM  

Saborlas: [i970.photobucket.com image 842x386]


Perhaps they don't tell you that stuff because....pretty much no one does that.  Just a thought.
 
2014-07-29 11:23:37 AM  
I'm really not sure I'd use "freemium" games as an example of why gaming is better on PCs than consoles (which is what Romero does in TFA). Those friggin' game types may be where things are going because they can convince morons to spend $100 on a $5 game, but every time I see "Free (with in app purchases)" I tend to skip right over it. I don't want to get nagged to pay $2 to keep on playing the game when I run out of lives or whatever else. I'd rather pay up front for a fun game and be done with it.

OK, yeah, PCs are higher performance and they're upgradeable. But the hardware is just one of many factors that make gaming fun... if you don't do anything useful with that hardware, well, to hell with it.

Who really gives a damn anyway- if they're fun games, they're fun games, whether it's on a phone, a console, or a PC.
 
2014-07-29 11:24:52 AM  
So his argument is that PC's will bury consoles under waves of their cheap crap?


Can we get a different spokesman?
 
2014-07-29 11:27:22 AM  
Just got my NVIDIA Shield tablet today.  Time to start the Glorious PC Streaming Mobile Master Race.

If this catches on, I'd love to see the next gen of consoles put an NVIDIA card in there and let you stream that too, but until then, PC will continue to reign supreme

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2014-07-29 11:29:11 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Mean while PS4 and Xbox one is about to hit 15 million in less than a year




Pc's still sell well, just their most of them aren't gaming specific.
The question is if they are giving you the best gaming for your dollar.
With pc's seeing a rebirth of high end and free to play games, without need for a subscription service and cranking more poly's and rez's per frame than most consoles could ever hope to match, the PC has always been the benchmark of power with a full library of titles.
All of the titles.

The next step will be the advent of cheap vr.
None of the current consoles are properly equipped for it (Morpheus is high in latency, low in resolution). Which means a five year head start for the PC.

It's a lead that pc makers could capitalize on if they put some effort into it.
 
2014-07-29 11:34:44 AM  
Oh look, its this crap again.  No one curr.  If you only play on a PC, good for you.  Some of us can also still play consoles and enjoy them too.  Cause we aren't poor.
 
2014-07-29 11:37:56 AM  

Saborlas: [i970.photobucket.com image 842x386]


Butthurt newbs accusing people who are just plain better than them of cheating is VASTLY more common than actual cheating.
 
2014-07-29 11:42:00 AM  

way south: drjekel_mrhyde: Mean while PS4 and Xbox one is about to hit 15 million in less than a year

Pc's still sell well, just their most of them aren't gaming specific.
The question is if they are giving you the best gaming for your dollar.
With pc's seeing a rebirth of high end and free to play games, without need for a subscription service and cranking more poly's and rez's per frame than most consoles could ever hope to match, the PC has always been the benchmark of power with a full library of titles.
All of the titles.

The next step will be the advent of cheap vr.
None of the current consoles are properly equipped for it (Morpheus is high in latency, low in resolution). Which means a five year head start for the PC.

It's a lead that pc makers could capitalize on if they put some effort into it.


No question a PC offers the most bang for my buck. With a PC, I can play any PC game I choose going all the way back to the 80s. With a console, I'm limited to whatever has been released for that console.

Also, I can get amazing games off of Steam for $20-30. I can't imagine going back to paying $60 for a decent console title.
 
2014-07-29 11:42:47 AM  
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2014-07-29 11:42:52 AM  
In before the ridiculous "PC gamers are poor arg.."

NicktheSmoker: Oh look, its this crap again.  No one curr.  If you only play on a PC, good for you.  Some of us can also still play consoles and enjoy them too.  Cause we aren't poor.



Nevermind.
 
2014-07-29 11:46:37 AM  
Free to play = pay to win.

Not always though, but it does exist.
 
2014-07-29 11:46:51 AM  
Well card and board games have their own empire with superior graphics to both PC/consoles and no subscription or in game purchases are necessary.
 
2014-07-29 11:49:28 AM  

NicktheSmoker: Oh look, its this crap again.  No one curr.  If you only play on a PC, good for you.  Some of us can also still play consoles and enjoy them too.  Cause we aren't poor.


I've seen PC gamers use the "hurr not poor" argument against console users, but this is the first time I've seen it used the other way around...
 
2014-07-29 11:50:05 AM  

Prophet of Loss: Saborlas: [i970.photobucket.com image 842x386]

Hell, in FPSs, using a mouse is practically cheating. Console players get cheats by default (aim assistance) because the gamepad is an inferior input device for such games.


I bought an Xbox360 a few years ago because I could, I had been a WASD + mouse ninja Seal Team Excelsior!, but that game pad made me a gimp in a box. I don't see how anyone could call that lack of control "fun".
 
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2014-07-29 11:50:14 AM  
Games will go through what other forms of entertainment have... namely the concept that when revenue drops, investment into said title will also.   And gamers will suddenly wonder why there are so many derivative titles floating around, and why they all have cash shops attached to them.
 
2014-07-29 11:50:35 AM  

ballseye: way south: drjekel_mrhyde: Mean while PS4 and Xbox one is about to hit 15 million in less than a year

Pc's still sell well, just their most of them aren't gaming specific.
The question is if they are giving you the best gaming for your dollar.
With pc's seeing a rebirth of high end and free to play games, without need for a subscription service and cranking more poly's and rez's per frame than most consoles could ever hope to match, the PC has always been the benchmark of power with a full library of titles.
All of the titles.

The next step will be the advent of cheap vr.
None of the current consoles are properly equipped for it (Morpheus is high in latency, low in resolution). Which means a five year head start for the PC.

It's a lead that pc makers could capitalize on if they put some effort into it.

No question a PC offers the most bang for my buck. With a PC, I can play any PC game I choose going all the way back to the 80s. With a console, I'm limited to whatever has been released for that console.

Also, I can get amazing games off of Steam for $20-30. I can't imagine going back to paying $60 for a decent console title.


I am 45 years old, and dont game like i did before.  In the 80s and 90s.

However, in an effort to get a hobby other than hanging out in bars since I got married, I decided to pick up gaming.

I have about 80 titles I am working through, that I doubt I paid over 250 for due to steam sales and the humble bundle.  And steam sales have let me pick up some great games in the 10-20 dollar range.
 
2014-07-29 11:50:55 AM  

Fank: Free to play = pay to win.

Not always though, but it does exist.


Warframe does have a great system when it comes to free to play / pay to win. Oh, you want this Warframe? Well, you can spend the time to farm the three components... the resources to make it and wait a minimum of 4 days to craft it... Or you can just outright buy it and have it instantly with a catalyst so it gains double the mod points (which you can also make and takes 12 hours to build). All the Warframes are farmable but for those impatient and want it now... they can buy it.
 
2014-07-29 11:52:38 AM  
I play on both. Picked up a PS4 last year and have enjoyed it. My PC is due for a major overhaul, but still runs decent.

I like choices. If I get bored with one game, I'll jump on another for a while. Sure it takes longer to beat games, but I don't play to try and power through games anyway.

/currently playing Wildstar along with assorted steam games on my PC and Wolfenstein on the PS4
 
2014-07-29 11:53:07 AM  

Fank: Free to play = pay to win.

Not always though, but it does exist.


Is that something like Fark lite vs TotalFark?
 
2014-07-29 11:53:29 AM  
FTFA "later as the creator of Daikatana" No one should be proud of that title associated with them.
 
2014-07-29 11:56:26 AM  

wildcardjack: Prophet of Loss: Saborlas: [i970.photobucket.com image 842x386]

Hell, in FPSs, using a mouse is practically cheating. Console players get cheats by default (aim assistance) because the gamepad is an inferior input device for such games.

I bought an Xbox360 a few years ago because I could, I had been a WASD + mouse ninja Seal Team Excelsior!, but that game pad made me a gimp in a box. I don't see how anyone could call that lack of control "fun".


Pretty much this.  Once you're familiar with the precision afforded by a mouse and keyboard, using a gamepad feels like trying to thread a needle with your toes.

The major use I've found for my console is as a DLNA device for my TV, since most "smart" TVs are about as bright as Corky from Life Goes On.
 
2014-07-29 11:57:07 AM  

Unoriginal_Username: I play on both. Picked up a PS4 last year and have enjoyed it. My PC is due for a major overhaul, but still runs decent.

I like choices. If I get bored with one game, I'll jump on another for a while. Sure it takes longer to beat games, but I don't play to try and power through games anyway.

/currently playing Wildstar along with assorted steam games on my PC and Wolfenstein on the PS4


Currently I am playing Warframe, Black Light, Dynasty Warriors 8 and Stryder (Was free this month!) on my PS4... If I am playing on my PC, my PS4 becomes Netflix box.

PC games are Dead Island, Ace Combat Horizons, KSP, and Dark Souls II.
 
2014-07-29 11:57:22 AM  
I like games. I honestly couldn't give a toss what they're on. PC, console, Nokia N-Gage, Sinclair ZX81 - I don't care. If it's a game I enjoy, that's good enough. Personally, I tend mostly towards the PC, but that's only because that's where I find the experimental freeware games that I like. But that is by no means exclusive.

And I still love my N-Gage QD.

Also, because posts with pictures are read, and because I couldn't find the picture that I wanted to post, take this.
www.mweb.co.za
 
2014-07-29 12:04:41 PM  

Gergesa: Well card and board games have their own empire with superior graphics to both PC/consoles and no subscription or in game purchases are necessary.


yeah but their framerate blows
 
2014-07-29 12:07:34 PM  
steam is still more convenient than psn or xbox live, both the xbone and ps4 took steps back from their predecessors which is ridiculous in this day and age, not to mention the digital storefronts for both consoles are just woeful at this point and neither sony nor microsoft are doing a good job incentivizing people to go digital

you also have issues like technical deficiencies coming right at a time when tech was ready to leap forward and provide adequate resources for resource-hungry accessories like VR; it's hard to fault the console makers for their timing - they waited too long and had to inject some consumer liquidity and excitement as attach rates plummeted, but objectively speaking the new consoles have been underwhelming on the power-side of things and only bad ports will keep them from being completely embarrassed in any future head-to-head comparison

that said they will all get better (i'm enjoying my wii u atm), and exclusives are hard to argue with (games of course always have the final say on a console's value)... i'm looking forward to sunset overdrive in particular and zelda, but the days when consoles had parity just isn't there for this gen
 
2014-07-29 12:12:06 PM  

yves0010: Fank: Free to play = pay to win.

Not always though, but it does exist.

Warframe does have a great system when it comes to free to play / pay to win. Oh, you want this Warframe? Well, you can spend the time to farm the three components... the resources to make it and wait a minimum of 4 days to craft it... Or you can just outright buy it and have it instantly with a catalyst so it gains double the mod points (which you can also make and takes 12 hours to build). All the Warframes are farmable but for those impatient and want it now... they can buy it.


Marvel Heroes is similar.  An underrated game IMO.
 
2014-07-29 12:13:59 PM  
I haven't purchased a console since the Wii came out. I'm more of a casual gamer, so the PC works great for me with steam and emulators.
 
2014-07-29 12:17:25 PM  
I generally play newer games on consoles, but I'll never give up my PC because emulators. PS3 controllers sync up to my laptop seemlessly.

/currently rocking the first Silent Hill.
 
2014-07-29 12:18:23 PM  

China White Tea: wildcardjack: Prophet of Loss: Saborlas: [i970.photobucket.com image 842x386]

Hell, in FPSs, using a mouse is practically cheating. Console players get cheats by default (aim assistance) because the gamepad is an inferior input device for such games.

I bought an Xbox360 a few years ago because I could, I had been a WASD + mouse ninja Seal Team Excelsior!, but that game pad made me a gimp in a box. I don't see how anyone could call that lack of control "fun".

Pretty much this.  Once you're familiar with the precision afforded by a mouse and keyboard, using a gamepad feels like trying to thread a needle with your toes.

The major use I've found for my console is as a DLNA device for my TV, since most "smart" TVs are about as bright as Corky from Life Goes On.


hell i felt that way back in the Doom on SNES days... D-Pad was precise and accurate for 2d games, mouse and keyboard was precise and accurate for fps... it didn't make any sense to meld the two back then, when goldeneye came out it was even more nightmarish

i did eventually suck it up when friends wanted to play co-op halo, but that was an exception
 
2014-07-29 12:20:31 PM  

AdamK: steam is still more convenient than psn or xbox live, both the xbone and ps4 took steps back from their predecessors which is ridiculous in this day and age, not to mention the digital storefronts for both consoles are just woeful at this point and neither sony nor microsoft are doing a good job incentivizing people to go digital

you also have issues like technical deficiencies coming right at a time when tech was ready to leap forward and provide adequate resources for resource-hungry accessories like VR; it's hard to fault the console makers for their timing - they waited too long and had to inject some consumer liquidity and excitement as attach rates plummeted, but objectively speaking the new consoles have been underwhelming on the power-side of things and only bad ports will keep them from being completely embarrassed in any future head-to-head comparison

that said they will all get better (i'm enjoying my wii u atm), and exclusives are hard to argue with (games of course always have the final say on a console's value)... i'm looking forward to sunset overdrive in particular and zelda, but the days when consoles had parity just isn't there for this gen


Tech bubble economy in the Bay Area and consoles unable to keep up with PC hardware?  1999 called, it's time to party!
 
2014-07-29 12:22:32 PM  
PCs have (for the most part) always made consoles their biatch from a hardware perspective, because PC hardware evolves rapidly, and console hardware evolves slowly. And now, consoles don't even have their controllers as a differentiator, because you can get those for the PC as well.

But all that buys you is the ability to run whatever software is out there. A good game on a less-powerful console is still better than a crappy game on a more-powerful PC.

It really is all about the software.

/Now excuse me while I fire up MAME and play Joust.
 
2014-07-29 12:24:09 PM  

AttawaYawattA: AdamK: steam is still more convenient than psn or xbox live, both the xbone and ps4 took steps back from their predecessors which is ridiculous in this day and age, not to mention the digital storefronts for both consoles are just woeful at this point and neither sony nor microsoft are doing a good job incentivizing people to go digital

you also have issues like technical deficiencies coming right at a time when tech was ready to leap forward and provide adequate resources for resource-hungry accessories like VR; it's hard to fault the console makers for their timing - they waited too long and had to inject some consumer liquidity and excitement as attach rates plummeted, but objectively speaking the new consoles have been underwhelming on the power-side of things and only bad ports will keep them from being completely embarrassed in any future head-to-head comparison

that said they will all get better (i'm enjoying my wii u atm), and exclusives are hard to argue with (games of course always have the final say on a console's value)... i'm looking forward to sunset overdrive in particular and zelda, but the days when consoles had parity just isn't there for this gen

Tech bubble economy in the Bay Area and consoles unable to keep up with PC hardware?  1999 called, it's time to party!


if you had said bitcoin mining bubble i might've given you the benefit of doubt, but 1999 didn't have anything to do with hardware progress nor did it slow it down either - it was all internet (which is what's driving the current bay area tech bubble)
 
2014-07-29 12:29:45 PM  

Mentat: Because if there's one name I trust in gaming, it's John Romero.


Well, Romero might be bad at managing large projects and marketing his products, but that doesn't mean he cannot sense market trends.
 
2014-07-29 12:31:37 PM  
I used to be a hardcore PC gamer but recently I've started gravitating towards consoles for the big graphics intensive titles. I found I'm pretty passable using the controller in FPS games. I just got tired of th upgrade vortex. My PC is starting to show its age, as new games come out and old games get updated I'm finding the processor and the memory just can't handle all the crap thrown at them with any grace anymore. I just did a complete OS refresh and even old titles like TF2 have frame stuttering issues. Titanfall is a choppy, ugly mess, even with all the graphics options turned off running at lowest resolution.
In order to get it up to snuff I'd need a new processor, which means I'd need a new motherboard, probably a new power supply, new RAM since I'm sure they upped the number of pins on me again, new HDD and DVD drives since mobo's don't have IDE channels anymore. Add in the ~6-8 hours of assembly and OS/software installs...fark it. I'm done. Next thing breaks on that farker and I'm stripping it for parts and never looking back. I've got a beast of a laptop that's itching for that SSD.
 
2014-07-29 12:35:35 PM  
When my buddies come over, multiple people can play on my XBOX 360 at once. Thus why I like consoles.

I don't understand people that have so little going in their lives that they must force a PC v console pissing contest.

Oh, wait, the internet. Never mind.
 
2014-07-29 12:37:26 PM  

Fank: Free to play = pay to win.

Not always though, but it does exist.


I concur, even in games like League of Legends, you have those stupid rune pages that can completely change  how well your heroes do in a match.

/Dota 2 is a far superior product
//highly addicted to dota 2, must play moar
 
2014-07-29 12:42:54 PM  

Car_Ramrod: When my buddies come over, multiple people can play on my XBOX 360 at once. Thus why I like consoles.

I don't understand people that have so little going in their lives that they must force a PC v console pissing contest.

Oh, wait, the internet. Never mind.


Very few people care nearly as much about the things they argue over online as they seem to during threads like these.
 
2014-07-29 12:50:35 PM  

xalres: I used to be a hardcore PC gamer but recently I've started gravitating towards consoles for the big graphics intensive titles. I found I'm pretty passable using the controller in FPS games. I just got tired of th upgrade vortex. My PC is starting to show its age, as new games come out and old games get updated I'm finding the processor and the memory just can't handle all the crap thrown at them with any grace anymore. I just did a complete OS refresh and even old titles like TF2 have frame stuttering issues. Titanfall is a choppy, ugly mess, even with all the graphics options turned off running at lowest resolution.
In order to get it up to snuff I'd need a new processor, which means I'd need a new motherboard, probably a new power supply, new RAM since I'm sure they upped the number of pins on me again, new HDD and DVD drives since mobo's don't have IDE channels anymore. Add in the ~6-8 hours of assembly and OS/software installs...fark it. I'm done. Next thing breaks on that farker and I'm stripping it for parts and never looking back. I've got a beast of a laptop that's itching for that SSD.



I'm just guessing here, but since you have a gaming PC that has IDE drives as primaries, it's about 6-8 years old?  Isn't that about a few years longer than the life cycle of a console?

Yeah, building a PC can be a pain, but if you do it right, you can spend about $800 and get one that is going to run well, have some upgradeability (option to have SLI/crossfire, chipset that can support a faster processor, extra RAM slots that can be populated later), and last at least 5 years.
 
2014-07-29 12:52:07 PM  

Car_Ramrod: When my buddies come over, multiple people can play on my XBOX 360 at once. Thus why I like consoles.


That's why consoles will never go away
 
2014-07-29 12:55:16 PM  
media1.gameinformer.com

What?
 
2014-07-29 12:56:14 PM  

Fank: Free to play = pay to win.

Not always though, but it does exist.


It is quite possible to do the first without the second.  Valve proves that.  The reason why TF2 is a hat simulator is because that's one way to make F2P not become P2W.
 
2014-07-29 12:56:23 PM  
I dig my gaming PC and I dig my Wii U. Mario Kart 8 is a total blast and so are dozens of games in my Steam library. I play games to have fun, not to feel like part of a club.
 
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