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(Chicago Trib)   Russia violated nuclear treaty. Difficulty: in 1988   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 34
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2014-07-29 11:22:40 AM
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Zombie Reagan, you're our only hope!
 
2014-07-29 12:09:41 PM
Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-07-29 12:09:54 PM
Cold War II: Missile Boogaloo.
 
2014-07-29 12:11:04 PM
Russia didn't, the now nonexistent USSR did.
 
2014-07-29 12:11:50 PM
Subby fails at reading comprehension.  Difficulty: words.
 
2014-07-29 12:13:26 PM
 
2014-07-29 12:13:29 PM

Spare Me: Cold War II: Missile Boogaloo.


WWIII: Nuclear Jamboree
 
2014-07-29 12:13:54 PM
Putin: the Grandmasteriest chess player playing the long game!!!!!!

/now that that is out of the way...
 
2014-07-29 12:15:14 PM

eshalis: Russia didn't, the now nonexistent USSR did.


All previous treaties are still considered in force, as the Russian Federation is a successor state to the U.S.S.R. And the violation in the article occurred this year, not in 1988.
 
2014-07-29 12:18:03 PM
Hasn't pretty much every country violated pretty much every treaty, from the Geneva Convention to the Kyoto Accord?
 
2014-07-29 12:18:54 PM

akula: The treaty was RATIFIED in 1988.

The testing occurred in 2008 (not in TFA):  http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/world/europe/us-says-russia-tested- c ruise-missile-in-violation-of-treaty.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage &version=HpSum&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-n ews&_r=0


I found a mention of 2012 and apparently another one may have occurred this year. So it's pretty much an ongoing pattern. Of course, the U.S.S.R. wasn't too big on actually following treaties either.
 
2014-07-29 12:20:34 PM
Reagan was out fundraising at the time.
 
2014-07-29 12:20:44 PM
I submitted this with a better headline that was actually correct.
 
2014-07-29 12:21:17 PM

moeburn: Hasn't pretty much every country violated pretty much every treaty, from the Geneva Convention to the Kyoto Accord?


Yeah pretty much. But you need some excuse to go to war. Can't just invade places all willy-nilly.
 
2014-07-29 12:21:30 PM

gweilo8888: I submitted this with a better headline that was actually correct.


Well, there's your problem.
 
2014-07-29 12:21:54 PM

gweilo8888: I submitted this with a better headline that was actually correct.


I see two reasons why it didn't go green.
 
2014-07-29 12:22:45 PM
Imagine that...I was serving in Germany in 1988....in a nuclear missile battery. No wonder we we on alert so often.
 
2014-07-29 12:23:13 PM
Then: Trust but verify!


Now: Oooh, Doughnuts  (insert obligatory Homer Simpson picture <here>)
 
2014-07-29 12:26:06 PM

whither_apophis: moeburn: Hasn't pretty much every country violated pretty much every treaty, from the Geneva Convention to the Kyoto Accord?

Yeah pretty much. But you need some excuse to go to war. Can't just invade places all willy-nilly.


Why?

Sometimes there excuses are so transparently false, I wonder why they even bother trying any more.  There are countries where they will disappear you for saying bad things about the State, and yet they STILL try to weave excuses for military actions.  You don't need to beat them AND lie to them!
 
2014-07-29 12:31:35 PM

eshalis: Russia didn't, the now nonexistent USSR did.


Erm, no. Russia took on all applicable treaty agreements of the preceding entity (the USSR), and thus are bound by the agreement still.
 
2014-07-29 12:33:27 PM
More proof on how weak Obama is.
 
2014-07-29 12:51:57 PM

Beerguy: Imagine that...I was serving in Germany in 1988....in a nuclear missile battery. No wonder we we on alert so often.


I was a 15E still working with P1A when I left West Germany (yes kids, Germany was once divided) in 1985. When Papa Bush signed the treaty that eliminated my MOS I knew there was no way I could ever get called back should the shiat hit the fan and was very relieved.

CSB: When Gulf War 1 started my wife was sure they'd bring back the draft and call me back. She called the local recruiter who, typically, didn't know what the hell he was talking about and said that, yes I could be recalled. I tried reassuring her that not only was I officially discharged from inactive reserves but that my job no longer existed and so they wouldn't take me back. She was still worried so she called the freaking Pentagon to talk to someone in recruiting in the Dept of the Army. They told her I was safe. (Of course I probably got put on a watch list...)
 
2014-07-29 12:55:56 PM
It's not factually correct, it's FARK!
 
2014-07-29 12:59:29 PM

busy chillin': gweilo8888: I submitted this with a better headline that was actually correct.

Well, there's your problem.


whither_apophis: gweilo8888: I submitted this with a better headline that was actually correct.

I see two reasons why it didn't go green.


We're all on the same page then.
 
2014-07-29 01:11:16 PM

Slypork: Beerguy: Imagine that...I was serving in Germany in 1988....in a nuclear missile battery. No wonder we we on alert so often.

I was a 15E still working with P1A when I left West Germany (yes kids, Germany was once divided) in 1985. When Papa Bush signed the treaty that eliminated my MOS I knew there was no way I could ever get called back should the shiat hit the fan and was very relieved.

CSB: When Gulf War 1 started my wife was sure they'd bring back the draft and call me back. She called the local recruiter who, typically, didn't know what the hell he was talking about and said that, yes I could be recalled. I tried reassuring her that not only was I officially discharged from inactive reserves but that my job no longer existed and so they wouldn't take me back. She was still worried so she called the freaking Pentagon to talk to someone in recruiting in the Dept of the Army. They told her I was safe. (Of course I probably got put on a watch list...)


From a 15D(LANCE) to a 15E .... CHEERS!
 
2014-07-29 01:28:47 PM
 So what is with the hard on for Russia all of a sudden?  Did Putin really disrupt the Israeli's plan in Syria to such an extent?   I can't wait to hear the Germans squeal through chattering teeth this fall/winter if the US keeps this shiate up.

/ donning it..
 
2014-07-29 01:33:35 PM

Beerguy: Imagine that...I was serving in Germany in 1988....in a nuclear missile battery. No wonder we we on alert so often.


Why, what happened in 1988?
 
2014-07-29 01:44:15 PM

Beerguy: Slypork: Beerguy: Imagine that...I was serving in Germany in 1988....in a nuclear missile battery. No wonder we we on alert so often.

I was a 15E still working with P1A when I left West Germany (yes kids, Germany was once divided) in 1985. When Papa Bush signed the treaty that eliminated my MOS I knew there was no way I could ever get called back should the shiat hit the fan and was very relieved.

CSB: When Gulf War 1 started my wife was sure they'd bring back the draft and call me back. She called the local recruiter who, typically, didn't know what the hell he was talking about and said that, yes I could be recalled. I tried reassuring her that not only was I officially discharged from inactive reserves but that my job no longer existed and so they wouldn't take me back. She was still worried so she called the freaking Pentagon to talk to someone in recruiting in the Dept of the Army. They told her I was safe. (Of course I probably got put on a watch list...)

From a 15D(LANCE) to a 15E .... CHEERS!


Ein prosit right back at ya! Used to see you guys training at Ft Sill. God, I hated that place.

Used to have a t-shirt that said "Pershing crewmembers have 40 foot erections".
 
2014-07-29 02:02:23 PM

Slypork: Beerguy: Slypork: Beerguy: Imagine that...I was serving in Germany in 1988....in a nuclear missile battery. No wonder we we on alert so often.

I was a 15E still working with P1A when I left West Germany (yes kids, Germany was once divided) in 1985. When Papa Bush signed the treaty that eliminated my MOS I knew there was no way I could ever get called back should the shiat hit the fan and was very relieved.

CSB: When Gulf War 1 started my wife was sure they'd bring back the draft and call me back. She called the local recruiter who, typically, didn't know what the hell he was talking about and said that, yes I could be recalled. I tried reassuring her that not only was I officially discharged from inactive reserves but that my job no longer existed and so they wouldn't take me back. She was still worried so she called the freaking Pentagon to talk to someone in recruiting in the Dept of the Army. They told her I was safe. (Of course I probably got put on a watch list...)

From a 15D(LANCE) to a 15E .... CHEERS!

Ein prosit right back at ya! Used to see you guys training at Ft Sill. God, I hated that place.

Used to have a t-shirt that said "Pershing crewmembers have 40 foot erections".


Meh. One-trick ponies.
Repeat service on target without all the collateral damage / CEP.

i.ytimg.com
/Steel on farking target.
 
2014-07-29 03:07:00 PM
And if the Russians hadn't taken home all their polonium we might have been able to fire up the DeLorean and go back and fix this 1988 problem!
 
2014-07-29 03:46:38 PM
Subby:
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2014-07-29 05:50:38 PM
"It is fair for you to conclude that their response to our concerns was wholly unsatisfactory, and that is why additional talks are merited."

Talk, talk, talk.
No action.
 
2014-07-29 05:55:01 PM

whither_apophis: moeburn: Hasn't pretty much every country violated pretty much every treaty, from the Geneva Convention to the Kyoto Accord?

Yeah pretty much. But you need some excuse to go to war. Can't just invade places all willy-nilly.


That didn't stop Russia from putting its willy in Ukraine's nilly, did it?

/Mmmm, Russian invasion.
//Will they cuddle afterwards?
 
2014-07-29 10:52:30 PM

eshalis: Russia didn't, the now nonexistent USSR did.


As international law is concerned, they are the same thing. Russia is the successor state, so anything the Soviet Union agreed to, unless it was specifically changed later, they are supposed to honor.

Weird things like this happen sometimes, In almost a reverse scenario to the breaking apart of the Soviet Union, the German reunification wasn't a new political entity being created, it was simply East Germany being added to West Germany as new states. So in technical terms, the modern German state has existed since the end of WWII, even without the East.

International law is strange.
 
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