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(Think Progress)   Fast food workers vow civil disobedience over low pay, threaten to occupy restaurants, hinder business operations. Otherwise known as Monday   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 36
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2014-07-29 10:32:58 AM  
I hope they get arrested and fined. If they can't pay the fine, let them enjoy the jail cell.
 
2014-07-29 11:12:49 AM  

WTFDYW: I hope they get arrested and fined. If they can't pay the fine, let them enjoy the jail cell.


Personally, I think they should all be executed without due process, preferably by coating them in gasoline and lighting them on fire.
 
2014-07-29 12:15:17 PM  

Serious Black: WTFDYW: I hope they get arrested and fined. If they can't pay the fine, let them enjoy the jail cell.

Personally, I think they should all be executed without due process, preferably by coating them in gasoline and lighting them on fire.


the served up as the flame-broiled Whopper
 
2014-07-29 12:17:32 PM  
Funny how it's only the most uselessly unskilled people that are doing this.  It's not the other low wage people threatening to riot.  I like that the ones that are the easiest to replace with robots are the ones that are going to be the reason why they're replaced by robots.  

The same thing happened in Detroit.  No wrench turner was worth that much money back then.  No burger flipper is worth $15 today.
 
2014-07-29 12:21:01 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Serious Black: WTFDYW: I hope they get arrested and fined. If they can't pay the fine, let them enjoy the jail cell.

Personally, I think they should all be executed without due process, preferably by coating them in gasoline and lighting them on fire.

the served up as the flame-broiled Whopper


Well that goes without saying. Waste not, want not.
 
2014-07-29 12:23:22 PM  

Serious Black: WTFDYW: I hope they get arrested and fined. If they can't pay the fine, let them enjoy the jail cell.

Personally, I think they should all be executed without due process, preferably by coating them in gasoline and lighting them on fire.


Your solution does support the oil industry, but not defense contractors. Wouldn't drone strikes be a more equitable solution?
 
2014-07-29 12:24:29 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Funny how it's only the most uselessly unskilled people that are doing this.  It's not the other low wage people threatening to riot.  I like that the ones that are the easiest to replace with robots are the ones that are going to be the reason why they're replaced by robots.  

The same thing happened in Detroit.  No wrench turner was worth that much money back then.  No burger flipper is worth $15 today.


Yeah. Those auto workers who raised families, bought homes in multiple states, took family vacations every year and supported economies in multiple states and basically made the US an economic powerhouseshould have just been thrown off assembly lines weren't worth spitting on. Just like the steel workers before them and coal miners today.
 
2014-07-29 12:29:04 PM  
"we need to get more workers involved and shut these businesses down until they listen to us,"

Pull a Market Basket. You don't have much to lose.
 
2014-07-29 12:29:19 PM  

clkeagle: Serious Black: WTFDYW: I hope they get arrested and fined. If they can't pay the fine, let them enjoy the jail cell.

Personally, I think they should all be executed without due process, preferably by coating them in gasoline and lighting them on fire.

Your solution does support the oil industry, but not defense contractors. Wouldn't drone strikes be a more equitable solution?


I originally thought about shoving Hellfires up their asses, but I decided that the strike would almost certainly kill the person well before any pain and suffering kicked in. The immolation move would ensure they knew they were being punished before they died. I suppose as a fig leaf to the defense contractors, we could say the flame must be lit with a flamethrower.
 
2014-07-29 12:31:03 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Funny how it's only the most uselessly unskilled people that are doing this.  It's not the other low wage people threatening to riot.  I like that the ones that are the easiest to replace with robots are the ones that are going to be the reason why they're replaced by robots.

The same thing happened in Detroit.  No wrench turner was worth that much money back then.  No burger flipper is worth $15 today.


The robot lobby is behind this. The morans need to get a brian and study it out.
 
2014-07-29 12:40:07 PM  
donde es sus papeles ?
 
2014-07-29 01:12:48 PM  
Looking for jobs on Craigslist, amongst other places, I put in my county and just scroll down.  There are TONS of restaurant jobs.  Which would be fine if I was remotely qualified (I am not) or was willing to work for sub-minimum wages, with a schedule that would have my fiance and I never spending time together, since he starts work at 6am and usually ends his day at 4:30pm. (Thank God for overtime with me out of work, but I really want to get a job so he can get more of a break). I apply to anything and everything that I can kind of do, which is writing/editing/proofreading, as well as office management and legal assistance. I'm also applying for medical office front desk jobs hoping someone will take a chance on me being someone who learns new skills quickly.  (And hating every moment I am living with dark brown hair due to this.)

I'm not saying robots will neverreplace work in the restaurant industry - from fine dining to fast food, but for now, the need for humans to fill these jobs seems to outweigh the need for humans to fill other jobs. At least around here. And while someday, robots may be advanced enough to cook, wash dishes, and serve people, they are not at that point now. And I'd say outside of a specific niche novelty restaurant, people are not ready to be regularly served by robots.

Time to start ensuring that people at least have a chance here. Most of us on Fark, even rating us on an intelligence scale of 1-10, would not want to work in fast food because it's hard work, demeaning work dealing with assholes, and doesn't pay enough to live above the poverty line, never mind, decently.  But it's nice to sit behind our computers and crap all over people who work hard and make next to nothing.
 
2014-07-29 01:22:30 PM  
Good for them!!! Minimum wage is too damn low anyway.
 
2014-07-29 01:56:27 PM  
I'd be a lot more supportive if they were asking for an amount that I would consider reasonable.

If I'm making $5 an hour or $50 an hour or even $500 an hour - that's what I agreed to work for.  That's what other similarly skilled people are earning.  Things change though, and maybe either my value has gone up or the value of my wage has gone down....so I go to my boss and say, 'Boss, look, $5 (or $50 or $500) just isn't enough.'

What's reasonable?  I dunno, maybe 2% or 3%.  5% would be a pretty nice increase.  I mean, they are going to do the same job today as they are tomorrow, so getting paid more to do that same job, seems like a good deal.

10% is a huge increase.
20% is pretty much unheard of, without a huge bump in responsibility.

What are they asking for?  They want to basically double their hourly wage.  Same job, same employees, but they want DOUBLE?  I don't see how this is even a serious discussion.  My boss would laugh my ass out of his office.
 
2014-07-29 01:59:39 PM  

serpent_sky: Most of us on Fark, even rating us on an intelligence scale of 1-10, would not want to work in fast food because it's hard work, demeaning work dealing with assholes, and doesn't pay enough to live above the poverty line, never mind, decently.


FTFY.

I agree with the rest and am a strong proponent of a higher min wage, but the workitself isn't hard.

The BS they put you through in a lot of places with regards to jerking schedule around, having people come early levae late, etc makes it harder, but overall it isn't hard work.
 
2014-07-29 02:10:44 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: What are they asking for?  They want to basically double their hourly wage.  Same job, same employees, but they want DOUBLE?  I don't see how this is even a serious discussion.  My boss would laugh my ass out of his office.


Well from the article, they have gotten only a 0.3% increase over the past 14 years.

If they had had a yearly 5% increase each year since then, they would be at more than $15 per hour.

If it had just kept up with inflation, which is lower than 5%, it would have been $10.50 an hour
 
2014-07-29 02:49:39 PM  

Clent: Fark_Guy_Rob: What are they asking for?  They want to basically double their hourly wage.  Same job, same employees, but they want DOUBLE?  I don't see how this is even a serious discussion.  My boss would laugh my ass out of his office.

Well from the article, they have gotten only a 0.3% increase over the past 14 years.

If they had had a yearly 5% increase each year since then, they would be at more than $15 per hour.

If it had just kept up with inflation, which is lower than 5%, it would have been $10.50 an hour


I'd love to know how they came up with that 0.3% figure.  It's really easy to cherry pick data like this.

For example.  Minimum wage in 1996 was $4.75.  Now it is 7.25.
You mentioned inflation:   http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

In today's dollars - $4.75 from 1996 would be worth $7.22
Meaning our minimum wage workers today are earning slightly more than they would have made in 1996.

Lots of jobs *haven't* kept up with inflation.
 
2014-07-29 02:56:09 PM  
My SIL posts on FB about how burger flippers shouldn't earn more than soldiers. Ok, so should restaurant managers be paid more than soldiers? Roofers? Lawyers? Nurses? Where do you draw that line?
I think she misses the point that either soldiers should be paid more, or that the purchasing power of the minimum wage has decreased over time.
Umberto Eco had an interesting essay about this phenomenon in America once. In other countries bus lines and train lines are in great shape and are a great value for people earning a living wage. However he founded that, in America, public transportation seems to be a punitive way of castigation for those people who didn't pay attention in school or earn enough money to afford at least two cars.
 
2014-07-29 03:02:16 PM  
Workers have gone on one-day strikes multiple times since late 2012 in hundreds of cities across the country, demanding at least $15 an hour and the ability to organize.

You want +$15 an hour? Get an education. Till then, STFU and dunk those fries.
 
2014-07-29 03:39:13 PM  

liam76: The BS they put you through in a lot of places with regards to jerking schedule around, having people come early levae late, etc makes it harder, but overall it isn't hard work.


Depends on who you are. I have no problem spending 8 hours making spreadsheets and filing out legal paperwork; I would struggle daily if I had to keep making fries or flipping burgers or taking orders. For me, that would be borderline impossible.... meanwhile, memorizing child labor laws in all 50 states, as well as homeschooling laws, is a walk in the park.  I tried the fast food/grocery store kind of work when I was in high school; and learned... I can't do it, it's to hard. I'd rather learn real estate regulations and law, or labor law and regulations.... and do extensive, detailed paperwork. THAT is easy to me. Taking orders from assholes or making burger after burger for 8 hours? fark that. I don't have it in me. And for shiatty pay on top of it? Not a chance.  yet respect for those who can.
 
2014-07-29 04:05:42 PM  

LemSkroob: Workers have gone on one-day strikes multiple times since late 2012 in hundreds of cities across the country, demanding at least $15 an hour and the ability to organize.

You want +$15 an hour? Get an education. Till then, STFU and dunk those fries.


Even an education isn't remotely enough. Those who are doing well aren't bootstrappy; they know someone or know how to polish knobs. Most of my graduating class that went on to a good job did it through a buddy or family member. I'm unemployed for the summer.
 
2014-07-29 04:14:07 PM  

ajgeek: LemSkroob: Workers have gone on one-day strikes multiple times since late 2012 in hundreds of cities across the country, demanding at least $15 an hour and the ability to organize.

You want +$15 an hour? Get an education. Till then, STFU and dunk those fries.

Even an education isn't remotely enough. Those who are doing well aren't bootstrappy; they know someone or know how to polish knobs. Most of my graduating class that went on to a good job did it through a buddy or family member. I'm unemployed for the summer.


/ has the education
// now just crippled from the student debt
/// I said NO ketchup!
 
2014-07-29 05:33:58 PM  
Then get a better job.
 
2014-07-29 06:11:41 PM  
Good for them. Labor is entitled to all it creates.
 
2014-07-29 07:12:52 PM  

serpent_sky: liam76: The BS they put you through in a lot of places with regards to jerking schedule around, having people come early levae late, etc makes it harder, but overall it isn't hard work.

Depends on who you are. I have no problem spending 8 hours making spreadsheets and filing out legal paperwork; I would struggle daily if I had to keep making fries or flipping burgers or taking orders. For me, that would be borderline impossible.... meanwhile, memorizing child labor laws in all 50 states, as well as homeschooling laws, is a walk in the park.  I tried the fast food/grocery store kind of work when I was in high school; and learned... I can't do it, it's to hard. I'd rather learn real estate regulations and law, or labor law and regulations.... and do extensive, detailed paperwork. THAT is easy to me. Taking orders from assholes or making burger after burger for 8 hours? fark that. I don't have it in me. And for shiatty pay on top of it? Not a chance.  yet respect for those who can.


Interesting take on fast food, work but I would say for most people it is a failry easy min wage job.
 
2014-07-29 08:13:33 PM  
I think the soul-deadening monotony of fast-food work, along with dealing with an angry, complainy general public, qualifies as a type of valuable skill, which would be absolute death for me. Could I do it? Yes, but at the extreme expense of my mental welfare. Frankly, I think they deserve upwards of $20/hour for that level of crapwork.
 
2014-07-29 08:20:12 PM  
Don't think the wages offered are worth your time and effort? Okay, stay home. You're fired.
 
2014-07-29 08:21:13 PM  

Corn_Fed: I think the soul-deadening monotony of fast-food work, along with dealing with an angry, complainy general public, qualifies as a type of valuable skill, which would be absolute death for me. Could I do it? Yes, but at the extreme expense of my mental welfare. Frankly, I think they deserve upwards of $20/hour for that level of crapwork.


You should totally open a fast food joint and pay $20 per hour to the burger flippers. I'm sure they deserve and are worth it.
 
2014-07-29 08:33:00 PM  
I RTFA. Do the news agencies just use ctrl c and ctrl v for this issue? I swear I've read about the 10 year McD employee several times. In ten years , you could have earned a master's degree.... Or been promoted several times. You couldve started the next Facebook for crissakes.
 
2014-07-29 09:06:26 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Corn_Fed: I think the soul-deadening monotony of fast-food work, along with dealing with an angry, complainy general public, qualifies as a type of valuable skill, which would be absolute death for me. Could I do it? Yes, but at the extreme expense of my mental welfare. Frankly, I think they deserve upwards of $20/hour for that level of crapwork.

You should totally open a fast food joint and pay $20 per hour to the burger flippers. I'm sure they deserve and are worth it.


Obviously they're only worth more money if someone else is paying their salaries.
 
2014-07-30 12:07:33 AM  

MetryPapi: My SIL posts on FB about how burger flippers shouldn't earn more than soldiers. Ok, so should restaurant managers be paid more than soldiers? Roofers? Lawyers? Nurses? Where do you draw that line?
I think she misses the point that either soldiers should be paid more, or that the purchasing power of the minimum wage has decreased over time.
Umberto Eco had an interesting essay about this phenomenon in America once. In other countries bus lines and train lines are in great shape and are a great value for people earning a living wage. However he founded that, in America, public transportation seems to be a punitive way of castigation for those people who didn't pay attention in school or earn enough money to afford at least two cars.


She is wrong.  Soldiers get free healthcare, GI bill, housing or allowances, retirement program, free food (at least when deployed, like on a ship or something), and a bunch of other stuff like uniforms, they don't have to buy their own tools if they are a mechanic or plumber or whatever, plus they get paid.
 
2014-07-30 08:23:32 AM  
Sit-ins and disrupting your employers' operations so they give you more money? Wouldn't it be easier to just get a better job?

/worked fast food for a while, which is part of the reason I stayed in school so I could hopefully get a better job
//don't know if I would have had that motivation if I had gotten a living wage and healthcare for making chicken sandwiches
 
2014-07-30 10:18:58 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Funny how it's only the most uselessly unskilled people that are doing this.  It's not the other low wage people threatening to riot.  I like that the ones that are the easiest to replace with robots are the ones that are going to be the reason why they're replaced by robots.  

The same thing happened in Detroit.  No wrench turner was worth that much money back then.  No burger flipper is worth $15 today.


While I understand your point, I would like to point out that, if they could automate that shiat, they would have done it by now.
 
2014-07-30 03:00:02 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Funny how it's only the most uselessly unskilled people that are doing this.  It's not the other low wage people threatening to riot.  I like that the ones that are the easiest to replace with robots are the ones that are going to be the reason why they're replaced by robots.  

The same thing happened in Detroit.  No wrench turner was worth that much money back then.  No burger flipper is worth $15 today.


Especially one with an arrest record.  I wonder how many taking this vow realize they are considered cannon fodder for the movement?
 
2014-07-30 06:47:37 PM  

dstrick44: Smeggy Smurf: Funny how it's only the most uselessly unskilled people that are doing this.  It's not the other low wage people threatening to riot.  I like that the ones that are the easiest to replace with robots are the ones that are going to be the reason why they're replaced by robots.

The same thing happened in Detroit.  No wrench turner was worth that much money back then.  No burger flipper is worth $15 today.

Yeah. Those auto workers who raised families, bought homes in multiple states, took family vacations every year and supported economies in multiple states and basically made the US an economic powerhouseshould have just been thrown off assembly lines weren't worth spitting on. Just like the steel workers before them and coal miners today.


Coal miners work for what Barack Obama has designated  the Satan of industries, so screw them, their children, and their progeny unto the seventh generation.
 
2014-07-30 06:49:59 PM  

llortcM_yllort: Smeggy Smurf: Funny how it's only the most uselessly unskilled people that are doing this.  It's not the other low wage people threatening to riot.  I like that the ones that are the easiest to replace with robots are the ones that are going to be the reason why they're replaced by robots.

The same thing happened in Detroit.  No wrench turner was worth that much money back then.  No burger flipper is worth $15 today.

While I understand your point, I would like to point out that, if they could automate that shiat, they would have done it by now.


I imagine that's what bank tellers were telling (heh) themselves at one point. There's a first time for everything, and sometimes all it takes is a little push -- like doubling your wage costs -- to make it happen.
 
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