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2014-07-29 01:52:55 AM
Corporations are rich old white men, too, my friend
 
2014-07-29 06:23:26 AM
ftfa: What could go wrong on the right side of history? As conservatives found when social issues seemed to favor them, there are dangers in being seen as the cultural aggressor. Depicting anyone to the right of Wendy Davis on infanticide as part of a war on women, or anyone concerned about institutional religious liberty as a bigot, may even spook the sympathetic

I take people who call abortion "infanticide" super serial.

The right's ability to reconcile their need to be bullies (trying to prevent marriage equality, take choice away from women's HC) with their perennial persecution complex is nothing short of staggering.

And this guy wants me to consider Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan and Mike Lee to be serious reformers in our midst?

Not sure if trolling or actually this stupid.
 
2014-07-29 06:42:16 AM
Tony Blair transformed British politics.

We need a "Tony Blair" of US Republicans! Who is it? Ted Cruz or Sarah Palin?

LOL

Tony Blair is an intelligent, sane person. You can't say that about *anyone* in today's GOP.
 
2014-07-29 06:58:45 AM
the need, driven by globalization, to decentralize economic decision-making; to recognize the essential social roles of business and the voluntary sector; and "to be iconoclastic in reshaping public services."

Sounds like market fundamentalism. Pure "Laissez-faire" economics has never worked. And WTF does "voluntary sector" mean?


Democratic governing failure

That's like accusing Rome of falling because they had a Vandal repelling failure.


What could go wrong on the right side of history? As conservatives found when social issues seemed to favor them, there are dangers in being seen as the cultural aggressor. Depicting anyone to the right of Wendy Davis on infanticide as part of a war on women, or anyone concerned about institutional religious liberty as a bigot, may even spook the sympathetic. The United States is not yet a continental college town. Add to this that the most energetic portions of the Democratic Party are well to the left of the public on economic issues, and the claim of political inevitability weakens.

Ugh. I wonder how many "energetic democrats" this guy has really met.
 
2014-07-29 07:09:01 AM
In a way, the author is right. The problem is "reform" is used to codify and specify exact conditions that have created a legal system with increasing specificity that bloats bills with the intended purpose of allowing folks to flout the very laws that are passed. The complexity and the sheer size of bills now put on the floor are not a bug, they're a feature, and Congress does this so that clients can then cite very specific passages to justify exactly why they don't have to comply with the law--or rather, state that they are complying with the law exactly, even if their actions flout the stated purpose of said law. Republicans have led this particular charge, especially in areas of economic "reform" so that their corporate clients--and let's not even pretend that is not who they are given the sheer number of board appointments and payments that they can expect once they leave Congress, or investment "opportunities" that arise while they are seated--to create a system of laws that serve very specific interests, and that they've likewise expanded those efforts to include things like health reform and domestic policy, it is a shift that is choking our courts, and is doing nothing but benefiting lawyers who then get fees to wade through these massive undertakings to sift through the laws on the books. It is a reform of sorts, but it does nothing to benefit the public by and large.
 
2014-07-29 07:33:28 AM
He isn't serious; he's just a shill.  Well, I guess in a weird way that means he's serious.
 
2014-07-29 07:41:56 AM

TwoBeersOneCan: He isn't serious; he's just a shill.  Well, I guess in a weird way that means he's serious.


he seriously wants everyone to believe what he said.
 
2014-07-29 07:42:15 AM
He's right, but if you don't understand you haven't been reading your Conservadictionary which defines "reform" as "gut social programs (that is, solely 'welfare queen rims and nails did thievery') and deliver the money to our corporate masters like that scene in 'Flash Gordon' where the subjects of Mongo lavish economy-destroying gifts unto a disinterested Ming."
 
2014-07-29 07:42:39 AM
To summarize the article:

"A lot of people like that reform. Maybe we should get us some."
 
2014-07-29 07:43:06 AM
I honestly didn't think the Washington Post would get worse under Jeff Bezos, but it certainly has.
 
2014-07-29 07:43:19 AM
Sure, they are...


Depicting anyone to the right of Wendy Davis on infanticide as part of a war on women, or anyone concerned about institutional religious liberty as a bigot, may even spook the sympathetic.



Yeah, no agenda here, just unbiased commentary. *rolls eyes*
 
2014-07-29 07:43:59 AM
dvdmedia.ign.com
 
2014-07-29 07:44:32 AM
 In Gershon's thesaurus, Obstructionists=Reformers  .
 
2014-07-29 07:45:17 AM
The LemonParty of reform
 
2014-07-29 07:45:23 AM
You know, he's the fifth columnist who has said this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column

///snark
 
2014-07-29 07:46:43 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: He's right, but if you don't understand you haven't been reading your Conservadictionary which defines "reform" as "gut social programs (that is, solely 'welfare queen rims and nails did thievery') and deliver the money to our corporate masters like that scene in 'Flash Gordon' where the subjects of Mongo lavish economy-destroying gifts unto a disinterested Ming."


(Sigh) 'Yes, yes. Bring you tribute, and leave it somewhere. I suppose I'll find a place to put it eventually.'
 
2014-07-29 07:48:10 AM

vernonFL: Tony Blair transformed British politics.

We need a "Tony Blair" of US Republicans! Who is it? Ted Cruz or Sarah Palin?

LOL

Tony Blair is an intelligent, sane person. You can't say that about *anyone* in today's GOP.


Blair also led the British into the Iraq War and destroyed the Labor Party for the better part of two decades because of their indifference to the financial crisis.  That's not the kind of reform that either political party should want.
 
2014-07-29 07:51:21 AM
Add to this that the most energetic portions of the Democratic Party are well to the left of the public on economic issues, and the claim of political inevitability weakens.

cool hedgy punditry, breh. "the most energetic" is such a huge caveat it should be called a cavealot, amirite guys???
 
2014-07-29 07:53:14 AM

vernonFL: Tony Blair is an intelligent, sane person.


imgs.xkcd.com

We're talking about Dubya's British lap dog, right? Not another, actually smart and sane person with the same name?
 
2014-07-29 07:55:15 AM

vernonFL: Tony Blair transformed British politics.

We need a "Tony Blair" of US Republicans! Who is it? Ted Cruz or Sarah Palin?

LOL

Tony Blair is an intelligent, sane person. You can't say that about *anyone* in today's GOP.


Considering what comes from Republicans these days, Linda Blair would be an improvement.

/At the toxic bile, opposition to Christianity, and mindless gibberish would be consistent
 
2014-07-29 08:02:05 AM

UNC_Samurai: vernonFL: Tony Blair transformed British politics.

We need a "Tony Blair" of US Republicans! Who is it? Ted Cruz or Sarah Palin?

LOL

Tony Blair is an intelligent, sane person. You can't say that about *anyone* in today's GOP.

Blair also led the British into the Iraq War and destroyed the Labor Party for the better part of two decades because of their indifference to the financial crisis.  That's not the kind of reform that either political party should want.


Trust me, the GOP wants that kind of reform. They want to break the toy before they let anyone else play with it.

\scorched earth!
 
2014-07-29 08:02:54 AM

Headso: Add to this that the most energetic portions of the Democratic Party are well to the left of the public on economic issues, and the claim of political inevitability weakens.

cool hedgy punditry, breh. "the most energetic" is such a huge caveat it should be called a cavealot, amirite guys???


*sigh* I wish I could be a Republican.  I'd get to live in such a pleasant fantasy world where everyone agrees with me.  If anything comes up that contradicts with my self-imposed narrative, I can dismiss it with a wave of my hand as a "Liberal Conspiracy."  My hateful, bigoted rhetoric would not only be tolerated, but mainstream.  Oh and the doublethink!  If it turns out I'm wrong about something, I can just turn around and say I never supported it, and all my friends will disregard any evidence to the contrary.  Man, a life like that must be so peaceful.
 
2014-07-29 08:05:48 AM

Tomahawk513: Headso: Add to this that the most energetic portions of the Democratic Party are well to the left of the public on economic issues, and the claim of political inevitability weakens.

cool hedgy punditry, breh. "the most energetic" is such a huge caveat it should be called a cavealot, amirite guys???

*sigh* I wish I could be a Republican.  I'd get to live in such a pleasant fantasy world where everyone agrees with me.  If anything comes up that contradicts with my self-imposed narrative, I can dismiss it with a wave of my hand as a "Liberal Conspiracy."  My hateful, bigoted rhetoric would not only be tolerated, but mainstream.  Oh and the doublethink!  If it turns out I'm wrong about something, I can just turn around and say I never supported it, and all my friends will disregard any evidence to the contrary.  Man, a life like that must be so peaceful.



24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-29 08:09:40 AM
My favorite part about these threads is the implication that Democrats are the party of "reform".

No one with any kind of power, with very few exceptions (people like Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul), has any interest in reforming anything.
 
2014-07-29 08:11:26 AM

MattStafford: My favorite part about these threads is the implication that Democrats are the party of "reform".


so vote republican, right?
 
2014-07-29 08:12:34 AM

doublesecretprobation: so vote republican, right?


Vote Green, vote Libertarian, vote Socialist, I don't care.  Just don't vote for the currently entrenched powers.
 
2014-07-29 08:14:38 AM
MattStafford:
No one with any kind of power, with very few exceptions (people like Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul), has any interest in reforming anything.

Wow. You think a 30+ year government employee who's accomplished nothing aside from biatch and moan about the government is the same as Bernie Sanders. No lack of perspective there, nosirreee.
 
2014-07-29 08:19:33 AM

MattStafford: doublesecretprobation: so vote republican, right?

Vote Green, vote Libertarian, vote Socialist, I don't care.  Just don't vote for the currently entrenched powers.


So vote Republican, amiright?
 
2014-07-29 08:19:52 AM
DEform is a kind of REform.

Not a good one, but that's no surprise.
 
2014-07-29 08:20:00 AM
Listen: Everyone wants to be like Germany. But do we have the shear strength of will?
 
2014-07-29 08:22:22 AM
"Infanticide"

(Stopped reading there. jpg)
 
2014-07-29 08:23:25 AM

fusillade762: Sounds like market fundamentalism. Pure "Laissez-faire" economics has never worked. And WTF does "voluntary sector" mean?


It is the standard right wing mantra to hand wave away those in need - "if government just got out of the way and stopped helping the poor, charity would grow a hundred fold, because otherwise it would mean we are evil scumbags farking the vast majority of the population over just so the depth gauge of Scrooge McDucks money vault is one tick higher"
 
2014-07-29 08:26:36 AM

log_jammin: TwoBeersOneCan: He isn't serious; he's just a shill.  Well, I guess in a weird way that means he's serious.

he seriously wants everyone to believe what he said.


And millions will.
 
2014-07-29 08:29:17 AM

hubiestubert: In a way, the author is right. The problem is "reform" is used to codify and specify exact conditions that have created a legal system with increasing specificity that bloats bills with the intended purpose of allowing folks to flout the very laws that are passed. The complexity and the sheer size of bills now put on the floor are not a bug, they're a feature, and Congress does this so that clients can then cite very specific passages to justify exactly why they don't have to comply with the law--or rather, state that they are complying with the law exactly, even if their actions flout the stated purpose of said law. Republicans have led this particular charge, especially in areas of economic "reform" so that their corporate clients--and let's not even pretend that is not who they are given the sheer number of board appointments and payments that they can expect once they leave Congress, or investment "opportunities" that arise while they are seated--to create a system of laws that serve very specific interests, and that they've likewise expanded those efforts to include things like health reform and domestic policy, it is a shift that is choking our courts, and is doing nothing but benefiting lawyers who then get fees to wade through these massive undertakings to sift through the laws on the books. It is a reform of sorts, but it does nothing to benefit the public by and large.


TL;DR "Reform" is a relative word.
 
2014-07-29 08:31:45 AM

fusillade762: the need, driven by globalization, to decentralize economic decision-making; to recognize the essential social roles of business and the voluntary sector; and "to be iconoclastic in reshaping public services."

Sounds like market fundamentalism. Pure "Laissez-faire" economics has never worked. And WTF does "voluntary sector" mean?


I think "voluntary sector" is code for "cut welfare and Medicaid, and expect social charities to make up the slack"
 
2014-07-29 08:32:03 AM
Gerson is such an asshat. Remember when he wrote a column about how fun it was to hang out in a hipster coffee shop, and feel like one of the hipsters, even though they were clearly all Obama fans, and yet they let him share in some of their glow. That was his idea of being edgy.

GOP Reform? lololol. He cracks me up. Tony the Pooch???, oh he changed British politics, in the sense that they all hate him over there for having his nose buried in Dick Cheney's crotch.
 
2014-07-29 08:32:08 AM
More happy horseshiat from one of Bush 43's speechwriters.

There are only a few Republicans who walk it like they talk it on small government and replacing crony capitalism with proper sink-or-swim capitalism...and the establishment GOP tries to force them out of office every chance they get.

Others start in talking libertarian until they get a taste of power and then they go full Jesus-Fox-defensepork-statist jackass.
 
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2014-07-29 08:33:26 AM

EyeballKid: vernonFL: Tony Blair is an intelligent, sane person.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

We're talking about Dubya's British lap dog, right? Not another, actually smart and sane person with the same name?


No one said anything about honest.
 
2014-07-29 08:33:28 AM

EyeballKid: MattStafford:
No one with any kind of power, with very few exceptions (people like Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul), has any interest in reforming anything.

Wow. You think a 30+ year government employee who's accomplished nothing aside from biatch and moan about the government is the same as Bernie Sanders. No lack of perspective there, nosirreee.


He also pioneered the political slight-of-hand technique of putting his pork in bills that are already sure to pass and then voting against them.
 
2014-07-29 08:37:01 AM

quatchi: ftfa: What could go wrong on the right side of history? As conservatives found when social issues seemed to favor them, there are dangers in being seen as the cultural aggressor. Depicting anyone to the right of Wendy Davis on infanticide as part of a war on women, or anyone concerned about institutional religious liberty as a bigot, may even spook the sympathetic

I take people who call abortion "infanticide" super serial.

The right's ability to reconcile their need to be bullies (trying to prevent marriage equality, take choice away from women's HC) with their perennial persecution complex is nothing short of staggering.

And this guy wants me to consider Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan and Mike Lee to be serious reformers in our midst?

Not sure if trolling or actually this stupid.


Bullying often comes from a place of deep-seated insecurity.

I think that pretty well sums up the entirety of the GOP at this point.
 
2014-07-29 08:37:47 AM
MattStafford: No one with any kind of power, with very few exceptions (people like Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul), has any interest in reforming anything.

I wouldn't be TOO sure of that.  We expect reform to jump out and scream and quickly take over.  Some of the issues have been slowly but surely turning - and executive action does lead to an anticipation of continuation - which is why the President's actions have the Republicans in a lather.  As hubiestewart stated, there are subturanean issues with lawmaking such that denseness and obfuscation will allow for laws to be redefined over and over again - truly, an economic bonanza of sorts for the law profession. There will always be that sort of reform as well - for every visionary, there are 15 guys who will seek the easiest means to subsist.  Scamming will always be with us.

But in some specific areas, there is real movement, some long overdue.  The move on sentencing reform, some of it started several years ago (I know it was an issue that Jim Webb, ex-Senator from Virginia, was working on) is beginning to yield results. Same-sex marriage is a reform of sorts, as are the movements introducing the legalization of marijuana.  Government investment in the Green Energy sector and Executive Orders on immigration issues will yield long term expectations from the greater US.  Of course this can all be turned around; executive orders don't have the mandate of law, so they are only as ephemeral as the Executive in office.  But they do yield expectations - and future politicians will have to deal more and more with those expectations.

And the changes that can come about?  Legalization of marijuana can potentially reduce the obscene profits of illegal drug movement, and hamstring the drug cartels - relieving pressure on the southern border. Green Energy can reduce our dependence upon foreign oil, and reduce our investment in blood and lives in the middle east - and reduce the threat posed by a nationalistic Russia.  If pressure is reduced in Central American countries from drug cartels, the immigration issue will be reduced and it can be addressed under less pressured circumstances, and still allow the US to be infused with people hungry for success.

It would be useful for conservatives to realize what the long game could be and not look to cleave more and more to their short term economic interests - that's useless.  I guess there's money in brake pads if all you want to do is stop going forward.
 
2014-07-29 08:38:36 AM

xria: fusillade762: Sounds like market fundamentalism. Pure "Laissez-faire" economics has never worked. And WTF does "voluntary sector" mean?

It is the standard right wing mantra to hand wave away those in need - "if government just got out of the way and stopped helping the poor, charity would grow a hundred fold, because otherwise it would mean we are evil scumbags farking the vast majority of the population over just so the depth gauge of Scrooge McDucks money vault is one tick higher"


You mean like "If government got rid of environamental regulations, companies would polute less, because they polute to the limit right now, but without the regulations, they woldn't have to go so high" kind of logic?

/Some salt of the earth fellow told me that with a straight face, bless his heart.
 
2014-07-29 08:39:52 AM
Look, we get it retardicons, you want to take us back to just before the great depression, to a "glorious" time of plutocrats, oligarchy and literally no laws and regulations reigning in corporate mendacity. Look, we get that you want to take any/all sexual choice from women, forcing them to bear evil christian children over and over again. We get it, you guys think insurance covered BC is "free" because you don't understand that insurance is something you pay for(farking welfare queen red states). We get it guys, your really really want to spread the pall of evil christianity across the land, slaughtering and disenfranchising non-christians everywhere you go(except when pro-israeli money tanks and paying your kids to tweet pro-isreal propoganda).

You are terrible, horrible, evil people who should feel bad about being such terrible horrible evil people. But you aren't reformers. You aren't edgy. You are just horribad.
 
2014-07-29 08:40:24 AM
Democratic governing failure, therefore, produces no internal pressure for policy innovation or outreach.

Ah yes, Democratic governing failure. That's what's going on in America right now that is making it a laughingstock.
 
2014-07-29 08:40:30 AM

MattStafford: My favorite part about these threads is the implication that Democrats are the party of "reform".


The implication would be a stretch, perhaps, but that doesn't make the statement that "Republicans are reformers" any less false.
 
2014-07-29 08:42:40 AM

doublesecretprobation: MattStafford: My favorite part about these threads is the implication that Democrats are the party of "reform".

so vote republican, right?


I think we all know who Mr. "Solid-gold statue of Obama" thinks we should all vote for.
 
2014-07-29 08:44:40 AM
Here's another little ass-backwards gem, for those in the mood:

http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2014/07/27/conservatis m- is-the-new-punk-rock-n1868562

The secret to being right is as simple as constructing your own reality, apparently.
 
2014-07-29 08:45:50 AM

EyeballKid: Wow. You think a 30+ year government employee who's accomplished nothing aside from biatch and moan about the government is the same as Bernie Sanders. No lack of perspective there, nosirreee.


I don't think they're the same, but I don't think either of them are in favor of the status quo.
 
2014-07-29 08:45:50 AM
Gerson was part of the White House Iraq group.  The only Fark thread we should have on him would be a discussion of how often he should be raped in prison.
 
2014-07-29 08:46:18 AM
That was some high quality derp.
 
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