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2014-07-29 12:23:49 AM  
Subby: "True of false."

Wait, so it's a subset of falseness that's true?
 
2014-07-29 04:58:43 AM  

gweilo8888: Subby: "True of false."

Wait, so it's a subset of falseness that's true?


Yes. It's truly false.
 
2014-07-29 06:43:21 AM  
i can also go to the hardware store down the street where the guy whose been making keys for 50 years will make me a key that's going to work.
 
2014-07-29 07:19:58 AM  
Um...True.....

No wait.  False.
Can I change my answer?
Gonna go with false....I think.
You know what, gonna use a 50/50 lifeline on this.
 
2014-07-29 07:33:21 AM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: Um...True.....

No wait.  False.
Can I change my answer?
Gonna go with false....I think.
You know what, gonna use a 50/50 lifeline on this.


images.onlyfatrabbit.com
 
2014-07-29 07:48:43 AM  
To the idiots who think this will work with car keys, go for it. You'll totally escape and not get a seized up engine after one or two injection cycles.
 
2014-07-29 07:50:16 AM  
This is no easier or faster than using a wax block, which has been possible for the past 100 years. You still need physical access to the key to duplicate it.
 
2014-07-29 07:51:59 AM  
Well, guess it's time I get my house fitted with Bluetooth and NFC locks and abandon those silly chunks of metal. No WAY software can be hacked. None. Not at all. Utterly impossible.

Here's a tip I learned a long time ago: A plastic card (like a credit card, hotel room key, &c) can be jammed into some locks and force them open. People, please lock your deadbolts.
 
2014-07-29 07:52:04 AM  
For house keys, absolutely true.

For car keys (especially electronic fobs), not so much.
 
2014-07-29 07:53:34 AM  

LoneVVolf: This is no easier or faster than using a wax block, which has been possible for the past 100 years. You still need physical access to the key to duplicate it.


I see there's another fan of The Great Train Robbery here...I hope.
 
2014-07-29 07:53:41 AM  
"Man who lose key to girlfriend apartment get no new key" just may not hold true any more.
 
2014-07-29 07:56:27 AM  
True of false. You can have a key made and shipped to you by emailing a picture of any key

The statement doesn't imply that I receive a working key. Technically possible.
 
2014-07-29 07:57:12 AM  
Meh.

When I was in high school, I actually *MADE* a key for the school manually.  It's not that hard if you are motivated.

/// CSB FOLLOWS ///

My class petitioned the school administration to be given what was essentially an empty, out of the way storage room as a "senior lounge" for seniors to use when they weren't in class.  Just basically a place to hang out, have a cup of tea, etc.   So we cleaned up the room and we scavenged a bunch of furniture and made it a presentable space.  It was actually a cool place to hang out.

There was just one problem.

You had to get the key to unlock it from the art teacher whose classroom was next door.

Now, at the time, I had read  "The Complete Guide to Lock-Picking" by 'Eddie the Wire'*.  Yes, we used to get the Paladin Press catalogs, and that was one of the things that piqued the interest of my father, who is very mechanically adept.  Anyway, having read the book, I recognized from the key that the lock was a "wafer tumbler" lock, which is a particularly low security lock and one that is easy to duplicate manually.

So one day when we asked for the key to be let into the lounge, I traced the outline of the key on a piece of paper.  I bought a key blank at the local hardware store (wafer tumbler keys only come in two profiles, so it's easy to pick the correct one), and when I got home I cut out the outline with scissors, and with a couple dabs of Elmers, glued it to the key blank temporarily.  Then I just manually filed it where there was no paper with a small triangular file.  Next day, I had a key.

It didn't work.

I had assumed I might need to do some final "fitting", though, so I had brought the file with me, and a few passes with the file and it finally worked.

We then all made copies of the key for ourselves.  Never had to bug the teacher again, and I don't think she cared because it removed an annoyance for her, so no reason to report us.

And that success inspired us to make other keys, including the master key for the school, but that is another story.

/// CSB ENDS ///

*It's available as a .pdf online now, if you are interested.
 
2014-07-29 07:57:23 AM  

LoneVVolf: This is no easier or faster than using a wax block, which has been possible for the past 100 years. You still need physical access to the key to duplicate it.


Yup and his two big scare scenarios, that his neighbor didn't know about the service and the valet scenario don't hold water either, the neighbor may not know about them but the cops will and committing a crime where you leave a scan of your fingerprint and your credit info isn't the brightest, as for the valet that's why most newer cars come with a valet key so you don't need to hand over your keyring and they can't rifle your trunk and glovebox
 
2014-07-29 08:00:28 AM  
Picking most locks is easier than snapping a picture of the key.

//Sleep tight.
 
2014-07-29 08:02:41 AM  
I have a universal key. Opens any door, anytime

noethics.net
 
2014-07-29 08:03:39 AM  

italie: Picking most locks is easier than snapping a picture of the key.

//Sleep tight.


Don't look at the dogs, don't look at the dogs....


/You looked at the dogs.
 
2014-07-29 08:06:33 AM  

maram500: Well, guess it's time I get my house fitted with Bluetooth and NFC locks and abandon those silly chunks of metal. No WAY software can be hacked. None. Not at all. Utterly impossible.

Here's a tip I learned a long time ago: A plastic card (like a credit card, hotel room key, &c) can be jammed into some locks and force them open. People, please lock your deadbolts.


Especially since developers are so smart and stuff.

They know about the cloud. I've been calling it the internet. :(
 
2014-07-29 08:06:37 AM  

abhorrent1: I have a universal key. Opens any door, anytime

[noethics.net image 321x499]


cryptome.org

Even those?
 
2014-07-29 08:08:25 AM  

abhorrent1: I have a universal key. Opens any door, anytime


Trust me that is waaaaaay harder in real life than it is in the movies...


/tried that in urban warfare training, ended up with a sprained knee and a cut on my cheek from the front sight of the guy staged behind me when I rebounded into him
 
2014-07-29 08:09:25 AM  

socoloco: maram500: Well, guess it's time I get my house fitted with Bluetooth and NFC locks and abandon those silly chunks of metal. No WAY software can be hacked. None. Not at all. Utterly impossible.

Here's a tip I learned a long time ago: A plastic card (like a credit card, hotel room key, &c) can be jammed into some locks and force them open. People, please lock your deadbolts.

Especially since developers are so smart and stuff.

They know about the cloud. I've been calling it the internet. :(


Heh.

For the ultimate in authentication, you need three things:
1.  Something you have.  A key, for example, or a fob.
2.  Something you know.  A password or pin.
3.  Something you are.  A biometric thing like a finger print or rectal scan.

All of which doesn't help you if you are up against David Lightman, of course, but that's rarely the case.
 
2014-07-29 08:11:53 AM  

Pribar: abhorrent1: I have a universal key. Opens any door, anytime

Trust me that is waaaaaay harder in real life than it is in the movies...


/tried that in urban warfare training, ended up with a sprained knee and a cut on my cheek from the front sight of the guy staged behind me when I rebounded into him


That's why police entry units use things like this:

www.doorrams.com
 
2014-07-29 08:12:35 AM  
Which, BTW, are still ineffective against 10 ton blast doors.
 
2014-07-29 08:13:03 AM  

dittybopper: rectal scan.


I don't want to live someplace that needs that level of security.
 
2014-07-29 08:16:01 AM  

Pribar: abhorrent1: I have a universal key. Opens any door, anytime

Trust me that is waaaaaay harder in real life than it is in the movies...


/tried that in urban warfare training, ended up with a sprained knee and a cut on my cheek from the front sight of the guy staged behind me when I rebounded into him


That's why entry teams carry small battering rams.

Autocorrect wanted that to be batwing, how awesome would THAT be?
 
2014-07-29 08:16:30 AM  
True of False, sounds like one of Lore's borg drones.
 
2014-07-29 08:16:50 AM  

socoloco: They know about the cloud. I've been calling it the internet. :(


You're confusing IT people and engineers with the idiots who market their products. Cloud computing is actually a real thing that's only superficially related to the Internet. But it's sort of hard to understand (both what it is and why it would be useful) without a practical application where you can actually see it in action, so marketers just decided to say the Internet and websites are "the cloud" and leave it at that.

scrapetv.com

/ what your house may look like in the cloud
 
2014-07-29 08:17:04 AM  
True of false. You can have a key made and shipped to you by emailing a picture of any key

img.fark.net

Try me.
 
2014-07-29 08:18:54 AM  

italie: Picking most locks


with enough practice, you can shim a standard combination lock faster than opening it with the combination.
 
2014-07-29 08:19:35 AM  
cdn.meme.li
 
2014-07-29 08:23:08 AM  

Shadi: italie: Picking most locks

with enough practice, you can shim a standard combination lock faster than opening it with the combination.


With a beer can, no less.
 
2014-07-29 08:24:26 AM  

Pribar: abhorrent1: I have a universal key. Opens any door, anytime

Trust me that is waaaaaay harder in real life than it is in the movies...


/tried that in urban warfare training, ended up with a sprained knee and a cut on my cheek from the front sight of the guy staged behind me when I rebounded into him


Haha, reminds me of my firefighting days (volunteer - never lost a foundation). Got trained in forced entry/exit, a younger guy (not me, I swear) tried his 'universal key', bounced backwards and ended up on his back with everyone laughing their asses off.

Of course, most household doors are pathetically easy to force with some simple tools. I lock my door knob when I leave, just to keep the honest guy honest, but if anyone really wants to get in, they'll be in pretty quickly.
 
2014-07-29 08:24:29 AM  

maram500: Well, guess it's time I get my house fitted with Bluetooth and NFC locks and abandon those silly chunks of metal. No WAY software can be hacked. None. Not at all. Utterly impossible.

Here's a tip I learned a long time ago: A plastic card (like a credit card, hotel room key, &c) can be jammed into some locks and force them open. People, please lock your deadbolts.


Meh. Most home locks with a single tumbler (including deadbolts) can be defeated in mere seconds with a bump key. If that sort of thing worries you, make sure your locks are bump resistant.  This is relatively new, so most locks on existing homes are susceptible.
 
2014-07-29 08:24:41 AM  

doublesecretprobation: i can also go to the hardware store down the street where the guy whose been making keys for 50 years will make me a key that's going to work.


This guy?

www.stuartwilde.com
 
2014-07-29 08:26:38 AM  

Shadi: italie: Picking most locks

with enough practice, you can shim a standard combination lock faster than opening it with the combination.


A lot of them can be "bounced" open, especially the padlock kind.  I used to do that with Master locks when I was in the Army, when I either lost my key or forgot the combination.

For the in-line versions that you find on bike chains, often it's just a matter of pulling on both ends of the lock and simultaneously rotating the rings one at a time until you feel it move slightly, then moving on to the the others.   I amazed the neighborhood kids that way one time on a dare, opening one of their bike locks in less than a minute.
 
2014-07-29 08:26:46 AM  

dittybopper: italie: Picking most locks is easier than snapping a picture of the key.

//Sleep tight.

Don't look at the dogs, don't look at the dogs....


/You looked at the dogs.


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-29 08:28:44 AM  

Solty Dog: dittybopper: rectal scan.

I don't want to live someplace that needs that level of security.


Is it just an external scan or something more intrusive?

Every time you go to the door you have to drop trouser and present brown eye.

/my ass is my password, verify me.
 
2014-07-29 08:29:24 AM  

abhorrent1: I have a universal key. Opens any door, anytime

[noethics.net image 321x499]


Have you actually tried that? I did once. I'm not a small dude and it took several kicks. Not as easy as it looks.

/Was very poor and locked out of my apt.
 
2014-07-29 08:32:05 AM  

Shadi: italie: Picking most locks

with enough practice, you can shim a standard combination lock faster than opening it with the combination.


As poorly as the locks on my lockers at work function, it's tempting to learn how to do this.
 
2014-07-29 08:32:36 AM  

ajgeek: For house keys, absolutely true.

For car keys (especially electronic fobs), not so much.


No shiat. I lost my car key before, cost $200 to replace. And they make them in Rwanda. WTF is that?
 
2014-07-29 08:33:18 AM  
Having made keys (for a Master brand padlock) by using a xerox copy of the key, taped to thin cardboard and then cut out with an exacto knife, and then run thru a key duplicating machine, I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2014-07-29 08:33:35 AM  

Solty Dog: dittybopper: rectal scan.

I don't want to live someplace that needs that level of security.


I'm with you.  I'm kind of hoping he meant retinal scan.  But I don't want to speak for him.  Some people like things a little different.
 
2014-07-29 08:33:38 AM  

dittybopper: rectal scan


What??!?
 
2014-07-29 08:34:17 AM  

maram500: LoneVVolf: This is no easier or faster than using a wax block, which has been possible for the past 100 years. You still need physical access to the key to duplicate it.

I see there's another fan of The Great Train Robbery here...I hope.


oh sirrrrrr!
 
2014-07-29 08:37:19 AM  
As a locksmith who has made a functional key from a photograph or seeing the key through a window I'm getting a kick...

Those car immobilizers though, they're tough to get around. Some won't start at all, some will sound like your fuel pump is broken, some will run for 10 seconds or so before dumping you wherever you happen to be. It is rare now to find keys that DON'T have transponders.
 
2014-07-29 08:37:39 AM  

LoneVVolf: This is no easier or faster than using a wax block, which has been possible for the past 100 years. You still need physical access to the key to duplicate


FTFA: "One group of researchers created a project called Sneakey in 2009 that showed they could reproduce keys photographed from nearly 200 feet away and at an angle."

You don't need physical access anymore
 
2014-07-29 08:37:56 AM  

abhorrent1: I have a universal key. Opens any door, anytime

[noethics.net image 321x499]


You carry a ninja around?
 
2014-07-29 08:38:07 AM  
I remember that there was a story of a jailbreak where a prisoner was able to pocket a jailer's key and made an impression  of it on a block of soap, and then he carved a replica key using the impression in wood shop.

/I forget if he also carved a replica handgun coated in black shoe polish as part of the escape, or if that was someone else.
 
2014-07-29 08:39:53 AM  
How to break into someone's home:

Step 1: Obtain their key
[...]
Step 4: Give your fingerprints and credit card information to a machine that records you copying the key.
Step 5: Break in.

Brilliant!
 
2014-07-29 08:42:13 AM  

abhorrent1: I have a universal key. Opens any door, anytime

[noethics.net image 321x499]


This one works better.

www.tactical-life.com
 
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