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(The Consumerist)   Congress acts with due haste to bring back days of $1* airfare   (consumerist.com ) divider line
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2014-07-28 06:36:30 PM  
Meh - every other industry advertises this way.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-28 06:45:12 PM  
Could be marked [FOLLOWUP]. It's an update to 8352056 from yesterday before the vote.
 
2014-07-28 06:59:03 PM  
Since this came from the Consumerist, I'm just going to presume that this is 99.746% bullshiat.

I remember taking advantage of a dollar airfair deal when I was in college, though. It was Southwest. And I remember writing a check for $400-something on their deal for my three friends and me. After fees.

It was the worst "vacation" of my life. We flew to LAX from PHX. Anybody with any smarts would've paid to fly to John Wayne, because it was the same price. But this was college. So we get there, take a shuttle to a hotel that is 4 miles from Disneyland. Jesus Christ.

We walked to get there.

And walked back.

We were stupid and in college. It was Memorial Day Weekend. We got on 5 rides the whole day.

What I did learn kept us alive that weekend, though -- the Disney stores didn't take personal checks, but you could buy Disney Dollars at any venue with personal checks if you bought them under the monorail station. I wrote a check for $1,000 in Disney Dollars and cashed them in at the store just under the monorail station. Who knew?

I was good for every dollar I spent. Thank Jesus for scholarship money.
 
2014-07-28 07:12:57 PM  
oh sure the airfare is $1, but the baggage fee is $500 for the first bag and $750 for each additional bag. and when our competition folds we will jack up the airfare prices too.

/no such thing as a free lunch
 
2014-07-28 07:15:56 PM  

AlgaeRancher: oh sure the airfare is $1, but the baggage fee is $500 for the first bag and $750 for each additional bag. and when our competition folds we will jack up the airfare prices too.

/no such thing as a free lunch


Umm, you can mail your luggage ahead to your hotel.
 
2014-07-28 07:29:37 PM  
A fee?? I've never heard of a fee before...
 
2014-07-28 07:32:45 PM  
It's not like they're charging a secret charge after you book.
 
2014-07-28 07:39:40 PM  

wildcardjack: AlgaeRancher: oh sure the airfare is $1, but the baggage fee is $500 for the first bag and $750 for each additional bag. and when our competition folds we will jack up the airfare prices too.

/no such thing as a free lunch

Umm, you can mail your luggage ahead to your hotel.


And any money you save by not checking any baggage will be lost, either to a $900 "no checked bags" fee or to lawyer's fees after getting arrested on suspicion of terrorism for traveling without luggage.
 
2014-07-28 07:42:54 PM  
ecmoRandomNumbers:  Disney Dollars

How anyone associated with this company manages to use this term with a straight face is beyond me --

Oh, right.  Swimming in Scrooge-McDuck-worthy piles of money.  I probably would too.
 
2014-07-28 07:49:22 PM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: ecmoRandomNumbers:  Disney Dollars

How anyone associated with this company manages to use this term with a straight face is beyond me --

Oh, right.  Swimming in Scrooge-McDuck-worthy piles of money.  I probably would too.


what's the going rate in Disney dollars for third-rate beej service in Anaheim these days?
 
2014-07-28 07:50:20 PM  
9 comments. Two ads. Wtf
 
2014-07-28 07:57:12 PM  
Fark this horseshiat.

If I ran the show, airlines would be required to use the largest font in their ad to print their airfare INCLUDING all taxes, surcharges, fees, and whatever else to have a flight with one carry on (overhead), one checked bag, and for a meal on a flight longer than two hours.

They could show an "as low as" price in a font no more than 60% the size of that used for the all-in fare above but it must include all costs to at least transport one person.

The government also should tax the shiat of the surcharges airlines are using to get around taxes. At least domestic airlines don't apply them to award tickets, tho.

I don't hate the airlines but they are one of the few industries which stay in business whilst actively abusing and hating their customers.
 
2014-07-28 07:59:09 PM  

dr_blasto: 9 comments. Two ads. Wtf


They're easy to ignore, and Fark has bills to pay. Bourbon doesn't grow on trees.
 
2014-07-28 08:07:58 PM  

revrendjim: dr_blasto: 9 comments. Two ads. Wtf

They're easy to ignore, and Fark has bills to pay. Bourbon doesn't grow on trees.


I directly help pay these bills. These are crap.
 
2014-07-28 08:10:28 PM  

dr_blasto: 9 comments. Two ads. Wtf


real dolls don't come cheap - in fact sometimes they don't come at all
 
2014-07-28 08:17:06 PM  
what a crock of shiat. I hope this dies in the senate.
 
2014-07-28 08:30:53 PM  

grimlock1972: what a crock of shiat. I hope this dies in the senate.


Even if it doesn't, there's no way the President signs it.

This is election year posturing, nothing more. Congress recesses in a week, and won't be back until the lame duck session in December. There's no way the Senate rushes this before then, if at all, and even if they do, it won't get signed.

The only reason this got any bipartisan support is that it's safe to not pass, and Democrats want money too.
 
2014-07-28 08:32:28 PM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: ecmoRandomNumbers:  Disney Dollars

How anyone associated with this company manages to use this term with a straight face is beyond me --

Oh, right.  Swimming in Scrooge-McDuck-worthy piles of money.  I probably would too.


You can actually game a Disney rewards card by buying these with the card, rack up the points, and then use the pseudo currency to buy things in the park.
 
2014-07-28 08:35:56 PM  

dr_blasto: 9 comments. Two ads. Wtf


Maybe you should install an adblocker in your browser. Where do you live, 1998?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-28 08:40:48 PM  

So I finally read the bill:

It shall not be an unfair or deceptive practice under subsection (a) for a covered entity to state in an advertisement or solicitation for passenger air transportation the base airfare for the air transportation if the covered entity clearly and separately discloses-
(A)the government-imposed taxes and fees associated with the air transportation; and
(B)the total cost of the air transportation.
The DOT can prescribe the form of disclosure.

The intent is that you see "$99*" and click a link to find it's "$99 plus $39 government taxes and fees for a total of $138". The bill does not authorize airlines to advertise a $99 airfare plus a hidden, mandatory $200 oxygen fee.
 
2014-07-28 08:55:46 PM  
I'm actually ok with this... it make it apparent how much the government taxes us.

And for personal travel, keep in mind that we've already been taxed on the income with which we are buying the plane ticket in the first place.  So the additional taxes are on income that has already been taxed twice (fed & state).    yeah, I've already been told here on fark that  "you must be fun at parties."  Save your keystrokes, people.
 
2014-07-28 08:59:42 PM  

grimlock1972: what a crock of shiat. I hope this dies in the senate.


Everything that the house passes dies in the senate.   Have you completely stopped paying attention?   Sit up.  Pay attention.  Take notes.
 
2014-07-28 09:28:07 PM  

Tax Boy: dr_blasto: 9 comments. Two ads. Wtf

Maybe you should install an adblocker in your browser. Where do you live, 1998?


They're inline mobile ads. they suck ass.
 
2014-07-28 09:35:33 PM  
Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.
 
2014-07-28 09:40:58 PM  

whistleridge: grimlock1972: what a crock of shiat. I hope this dies in the senate.

Even if it doesn't, there's no way the President signs it.

This is election year posturing, nothing more. Congress recesses in a week, and won't be back until the lame duck session in December. There's no way the Senate rushes this before then, if at all, and even if they do, it won't get signed.

The only reason this got any bipartisan support is that it's safe to not pass, and Democrats want money too.


If they really wanted this bill to pass, they'd add it as an amendment to a must-pass bill, like the bills to buy tanks and jets the military neither needs nor wants, pay for infrastructure maintenance so that bridges don't collapse in the middle of rush hour, or authorize a debt ceiling increase so that the US economy doesn't crash and burn like Ryan Dunn.
 
2014-07-28 09:53:21 PM  

dr_blasto: Tax Boy: dr_blasto: 9 comments. Two ads. Wtf

Maybe you should install an adblocker in your browser. Where do you live, 1998?

They're inline mobile ads. they suck ass.


if you're running android, root and install adaway

if you're on an iphone, you're sorta screwed.
 
2014-07-28 09:55:48 PM  

Tax Boy: dr_blasto: Tax Boy: dr_blasto: 9 comments. Two ads. Wtf

Maybe you should install an adblocker in your browser. Where do you live, 1998?

They're inline mobile ads. they suck ass.

if you're running android, root and install adaway

if you're on an iphone, you're sorta screwed.


but the iphone was free

I'm mostly irritated because it has been so long since I've had to look at internet ads.
 
2014-07-28 09:59:20 PM  

whistleridge: grimlock1972: what a crock of shiat. I hope this dies in the senate.

Even if it doesn't, there's no way the President signs it.

This is election year posturing, nothing more. Congress recesses in a week, and won't be back until the lame duck session in December. There's no way the Senate rushes this before then, if at all, and even if they do, it won't get signed.

The only reason this got any bipartisan support is that it's safe to not pass, and Democrats want money too.


You don't know what "lame duck" means.
 
2014-07-28 10:03:50 PM  

mrmopar5287: Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.


You're just adorable.
 
2014-07-28 10:15:45 PM  
Back in 1994 when Midwest Express Airlines opened up a terminal at my local airport, I was able to get it at $300 because it was a local sale.

Then they ran an ad in the local paper within 24 hours of $150 off any fare. So, I went back and arranged to cash in the coupon to take even more off on the price.

In short, after all was done, I was able to fly between Omaha to LAX and back for $150 total. $75 each way. Chilled Champagne and first class meals both ways.

It was the best flight I had ever been on, or since. I miss those days. I miss that airline. Can only shudder what sort of hideous abuse I'd get if I tried to book a flight in today's post-911 "F*CK YOU! SHUT UP! OBEY!" airport environment.
 
2014-07-28 10:26:40 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: mrmopar5287: Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.

You're just adorable.


This. It one of the things I really hated when I first went to the US. You work out the price and it usually a solid dollar amount and then have to work out how much more you need depending on what state and city you in, which radically changes from location to location.
 
2014-07-28 10:28:24 PM  

mrmopar5287: Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.




It's really nice to go to Europe and see something for 20 Euros and actually pay 20 Euros without having to multiple by a tax rate.
 
2014-07-28 10:39:00 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: mrmopar5287: Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.

It's really nice to go to Europe and see something for 20 Euros and actually pay 20 Euros without having to multiple by a tax rate.


On the other hand, a lot of times it's nice to know the taxes you're paying, especially since the hidden ones will usually piss you off.  Go look at your cell phone bill some time.  You're probably paying 15-20% in taxes.  Same with your cable television bill.

In this particular case, I think it's best if the prices are all lumped together because the taxes charged are so high (and because they're not all actually taxes.  But a lot of times I like knowing what I'm paying in taxes as opposed to keeping them hidden.
 
2014-07-28 10:49:40 PM  

mrmopar5287: Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.


When you get to the checkout screen all of the airlines show you what the base price is and breakout the taxes and fees.

Considering how much they are -- sometimes up to half the total cost -- leaving them out of the advertised price is pretty deceptive.

And it makes it difficult to compare prices between airlines.
 
2014-07-28 11:13:20 PM  

mrmopar5287: Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.


Is there anything in any of these laws preventing companies from displaying the price breakdown in addition to the inclusive total?  I know that's not the case for the current airline ticket price law.  If the airline companies want to show us what kind of taxes we're paying, they can.  They can put it right beside the inclusive total if they want.  I bet they could do something similar at gas stations too, if they really wanted to.

I see no problem with requiring any industry to advertise the prices that consumers can actually expect to pay, as long as they are not restricted from advertising the price breakdown in addition to the inclusive total.
 
2014-07-28 11:22:43 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: mrmopar5287: Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.

You're just adorable.


You don't need to know how much you're paying.  You only need to pay it.  Mind your own goddamned business, citizen.
 
2014-07-28 11:45:28 PM  
Lets all think back to a recent time when taxes rates could had had an immediate effect on ticket prices.  During the government shutdown last year.

Airlines are taking savings from expired taxes


DALLAS (AP) - Airlines are tossing consumers aside and grabbing the benefit of lower federal taxes on travel tickets.

By Saturday night, nearly all the major U.S. airlines had raised fares to offset taxes that expired the night before.
That means instead of passing along the savings, the airlines are pocketing the money while customers pay the same amount as before.


/so tiny violin for airlines if made to advertise tax included price.  That's their price without taxes too.
 
2014-07-29 12:07:12 AM  

dr_blasto: 9 comments. Two ads. Wtf


What ads?
 
2014-07-29 02:16:51 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Lets all think back to a recent time when taxes rates could had had an immediate effect on ticket prices.  During the government shutdown last year.

Airlines are taking savings from expired taxes


DALLAS (AP) - Airlines are tossing consumers aside and grabbing the benefit of lower federal taxes on travel tickets.

By Saturday night, nearly all the major U.S. airlines had raised fares to offset taxes that expired the night before.
That means instead of passing along the savings, the airlines are pocketing the money while customers pay the same amount as before.


/so tiny violin for airlines if made to advertise tax included price.  That's their price without taxes too.



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2014-07-29 02:39:26 AM  
Ah how I'm glad I live JUST outside of Bill Shuster's district.  I've seen the man's ads on TV, and you'd swear he's running against Obama himself.  He even touted how many times he voted to repeal the ACA!  He's still gonna win his district by a 70% margin because his daddy personally numbered Interstate 99, but by God he needed to run advertisements!
 
2014-07-29 02:41:38 AM  

rugman11: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: mrmopar5287: Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.

It's really nice to go to Europe and see something for 20 Euros and actually pay 20 Euros without having to multiple by a tax rate.

On the other hand, a lot of times it's nice to know the taxes you're paying, especially since the hidden ones will usually piss you off.  Go look at your cell phone bill some time.  You're probably paying 15-20% in taxes.  Same with your cable television bill.

In this particular case, I think it's best if the prices are all lumped together because the taxes charged are so high (and because they're not all actually taxes.  But a lot of times I like knowing what I'm paying in taxes as opposed to keeping them hidden.


15-20% in taxes and fees. Fees don't necessarily go to the government. As an example, if you get your phone service with a voip wholesaler such as Vitelity, you pay a flat 7% tax. Slim the rest on your normal phone bill? That money is going into the same pockets as the rest of your bill.
 
2014-07-29 02:43:11 AM  
Err I don't know how 'as for' became 'slim'.
 
2014-07-29 04:38:56 AM  

Tax Boy: dr_blasto: Tax Boy: dr_blasto: 9 comments. Two ads. Wtf

Maybe you should install an adblocker in your browser. Where do you live, 1998?

They're inline mobile ads. they suck ass.

if you're running android, root and install adaway

if you're on an iphone, you're sorta screwed.


One option for iOS is to use a app based dummy proxy.  The one I have installed on my iPad is Weblock, which is $1.99 (but has been free twice this year).  Unfortunately, this only works when connected by WiFi.

There's also the Adblock web browser for free with a $4 upgrade to a premium version.
 
2014-07-29 07:11:29 AM  

ski9600: whistleridge: grimlock1972: what a crock of shiat. I hope this dies in the senate.

Even if it doesn't, there's no way the President signs it.

This is election year posturing, nothing more. Congress recesses in a week, and won't be back until the lame duck session in December. There's no way the Senate rushes this before then, if at all, and even if they do, it won't get signed.

The only reason this got any bipartisan support is that it's safe to not pass, and Democrats want money too.

You don't know what "lame duck" means.


Sure I do. It's the period between the election and the swearing in of the new winners. Or, as is likely to happen, the last two months of Harry Reid being majority leader.

Now YOU, on the other hand...
 
2014-07-29 07:12:01 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Lets all think back to a recent time when taxes rates could had had an immediate effect on ticket prices.  During the government shutdown last year.

Airlines are taking savings from expired taxes


DALLAS (AP) - Airlines are tossing consumers aside and grabbing the benefit of lower federal taxes on travel tickets.

By Saturday night, nearly all the major U.S. airlines had raised fares to offset taxes that expired the night before.
That means instead of passing along the savings, the airlines are pocketing the money while customers pay the same amount as before.


/so tiny violin for airlines if made to advertise tax included price.  That's their price without taxes too.


So when the taxes temporality disappeared, the market clearing price for tickets wasn't somehow magically affected?
 
2014-07-29 09:27:39 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: You can actually game a Disney rewards card by buying these with the card, rack up the points, and then use the pseudo currency to buy things in the park.


I'm confused - do you get extra points for buying the Disney dollars?  Otherwise, what's the difference in doing that and just using the card in the park?
 
2014-07-29 09:29:10 AM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: mrmopar5287: Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.

It's really nice to go to Europe and see something for 20 Euros and actually pay 20 Euros without having to multiple by a tax rate.


I live in France, so we have this system in place.  When I go to a retailer and buy things, I can easily estimate my total in my head because all of the price tags are VAT-inclusive.  Yet when I pay for the stuff, the receipts always have (A) the price with VAT, (B) the price without VAT, (C) which of the three VAT rates was applied to each item, and (D) how much it would have cost me in Francs if we were still using those instead of Euros.  Every single time I buy something, I receive this information; there is nothing "stealth" about it.

If anything, it is far more transparent than the system in the US, and far more user-friendly.  It is less friendly to the retailers, because they can't mark the price tags with the pre-tax prices to make their stuff seem cheaper, the way they do with prices that end in $XX.95 or $XX.99, which is likely the real reason it's not done in the States.
 
2014-07-29 09:56:15 AM  

Mulchpuppy: Vlad_the_Inaner: You can actually game a Disney rewards card by buying these with the card, rack up the points, and then use the pseudo currency to buy things in the park.

I'm confused - do you get extra points for buying the Disney dollars?  Otherwise, what's the difference in doing that and just using the card in the park?


Because not all Disney dollars get spent. Nearly everyone winds up with a remainder of Disney dollars that aren't enough to buy anything and just get discarded. Free money for Disney.
 
2014-07-29 10:01:34 AM  

StopDaddy: Mulchpuppy: Vlad_the_Inaner: You can actually game a Disney rewards card by buying these with the card, rack up the points, and then use the pseudo currency to buy things in the park.

I'm confused - do you get extra points for buying the Disney dollars?  Otherwise, what's the difference in doing that and just using the card in the park?

Because not all Disney dollars get spent. Nearly everyone winds up with a remainder of Disney dollars that aren't enough to buy anything and just get discarded. Free money for Disney.


That was going to be my follow-up question, though honestly leaving Disney with money still in pocket is a difficult concept to swallow.
 
2014-07-29 10:51:03 AM  

rugman11: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: mrmopar5287: Mark me down as one person who hates when the government mandates prices have "all taxes included" as they do at the gasoline pump.  It acts as a stealth tax when people have no idea what part of their bill is taxes.  Having a base price for something and then getting to a checkout screen to see how much is added on as taxes and fees is the ultimate in pricing transparency to let people see how much money their government is collecting from their wallets.

It's really nice to go to Europe and see something for 20 Euros and actually pay 20 Euros without having to multiple by a tax rate.

On the other hand, a lot of times it's nice to know the taxes you're paying, especially since the hidden ones will usually piss you off.  Go look at your cell phone bill some time.  You're probably paying 15-20% in taxes.  Same with your cable television bill.

In this particular case, I think it's best if the prices are all lumped together because the taxes charged are so high (and because they're not all actually taxes.  But a lot of times I like knowing what I'm paying in taxes as opposed to keeping them hidden.


How would you know the tax rates without asking? My state has multiple tax rates on different items, in addition to different rates for just about each city.

And if the prices were inclusive, couldn't you just ask anyhow?
 
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