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(New York Magazine)   So remember those three Israeli teens that Hamas kidnapped and then murdered which helped usher in this recent military action in Gaza? Yeah, about that. Turns out that they weren't murdered by Hamas and Israel knew about this from the start. Oops   (nymag.com) divider line 382
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2014-07-28 05:56:49 PM  
 
2014-07-28 06:03:42 PM  
well benyamin "the butcher of gaza" netanyahu wanted to finish the job he started in 2009.
 
2014-07-28 06:04:07 PM  
Makes me wonder how Tats is doing.
 
2014-07-28 06:09:37 PM  
Wait I'm sure there's some way we can blame this on rockets. There must be. Israeli tactics are not to blame for anything bad.
 
2014-07-28 06:10:23 PM  
None of this crap is helping any side. And they still run with the propaganda.

Eventually, somebody is going to come up with a way to detonate a nuclear weapon over Tel-Aviv. It's going to be ugly. It's going to be awful.

Nobody wants to de-escalate this shiat-show.
 
2014-07-28 06:17:43 PM  
What stuns me is that Israeli's support this invasion 87-7.

I don't even know what to say about that.
 
2014-07-28 06:25:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Wait I'm sure there's some way we can blame this on rockets. There must be. Israeli tactics are not to blame for anything bad.


It has nothing to do with the 7 year long Gaza blockade, either.
 
2014-07-28 06:33:01 PM  
this sounds like antisemitism to me

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2014-07-28 06:34:31 PM  
This is really shaping up to be Netanyahu's Benghazi.
 
2014-07-28 06:36:11 PM  
ugh
 
2014-07-28 06:39:45 PM  
Yeah, but tunnels.
 
2014-07-28 06:41:09 PM  
This thread is the first I've seen with in-line ads.

/on mobile Fark
 
2014-07-28 06:42:39 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Yeah, but tunnels.


Some of those tunnels went to Israel.
 
2014-07-28 06:44:34 PM  
Story has been updated to say the group probably was affiliated with Hamas after all.
 
2014-07-28 06:47:48 PM  
Repeated inconsistencies in Israeli descriptions of the situation have sparked debate over whether Israel wanted to provoke Hamas into a confrontation

The Israelis want to stop Hamas from uniting with Abbas at all costs.  If they unite, Israel will have to go back to "negotiating".
 
2014-07-28 07:12:36 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: this sounds like antisemitism to me

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That's probably one of the weirdest things about the whole conflict -- even American Jews know that this is heavy-handed bullshiat. Nobody wants to see this. It's stupid. The nuts who are most defending this nonsense are American Christians™ who think they have some sort of claim on the Homeland because of their Book.

I know that American Mormons really believe they have a claim on the Holy Land because they consider themselves People of the Book. A lot of Pentecostals have adopted the same delusion.
 
2014-07-28 07:17:48 PM  
It's not so bad when the non-Hamas Palestinians do it, if I understand the situation correctly.

Who's firing all those rockets now, I mean, which non-Hamas Palestinians?

/no fan of Israel
 
2014-07-28 07:37:34 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-28 07:40:21 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Doktor_Zhivago: this sounds like antisemitism to me

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That's probably one of the weirdest things about the whole conflict -- even American Jews know that this is heavy-handed bullshiat. Nobody wants to see this. It's stupid. The nuts who are most defending this nonsense are American Christians™ who think they have some sort of claim on the Homeland because of their Book.

I know that American Mormons really believe they have a claim on the Holy Land because they consider themselves People of the Book. A lot of Pentecostals have adopted the same delusion.


And Jews and Muslims claim the area because Twilight Sparkle?
 
2014-07-28 07:48:19 PM  

Rev.K: This thread is the first I've seen with in-line ads.

/on mobile Fark


I have just sent an email to "Drew" regarding that. I have also canceled my TF subscription (it doesn't expire until April).

I'm not getting Fark for free, ergo I'm not supposed to be the product. I'll be god damned if I'll pay to be the product.

I can get the same news, insight and abuse on Fark, without the monthly charge.
 
2014-07-28 07:56:06 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Rev.K: This thread is the first I've seen with in-line ads.

/on mobile Fark

I have just sent an email to "Drew" regarding that. I have also canceled my TF subscription (it doesn't expire until April).

I'm not getting Fark for free, ergo I'm not supposed to be the product. I'll be god damned if I'll pay to be the product.

I can get the same news, insight and abuse on Fark, without the monthly charge.


So I'm not the only one.
 
2014-07-28 08:02:04 PM  

edmo: It's not so bad when the non-Hamas Palestinians do it, if I understand the situation correctly.

Who's firing all those rockets now, I mean, which non-Hamas Palestinians?

/no fan of Israel


That's not the claim. The claim was Netanyahu or his administration decided to get Israelis all worked up over dead kids and cracked down hard on gaza for a "search" then started arresting Palestinians wholesale -even though he knew they were dead.

That's shiat if it's true. We're at around 1000 dead people now yeah? Military incursions and missiles into civilian cities that are overrun with jackasses shooting rockets at Israeli cities.
 
2014-07-28 08:12:14 PM  
memedepot.com
 
2014-07-28 08:12:35 PM  
 
2014-07-28 08:19:01 PM  

DamnYankees: What stuns me is that Israeli's support this invasion 87-7.

I don't even know what to say about that.


They don't want peace. This is not new.
 
2014-07-28 08:22:32 PM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

Never forget.™*

*not valid in Gaza or the West Bank or when forgetting furthers Israeli geopolitical goals
 
2014-07-28 08:25:28 PM  
Israelis: Teabagging Freepers of Judaism
 
2014-07-28 08:27:00 PM  
Good to hear confirmation. I remember this was reported early in the kidnapping crisis. But Israel's, you know, got the moral highground, with no need to dress anything up.
 
2014-07-28 08:27:02 PM  

Rev.K: This thread is the first I've seen with in-line ads.

/on mobile Fark


Assuming you are on Android, rooted, with Adblock... update the host list.
 
2014-07-28 08:27:22 PM  
That story about Sarah Palin has over 400 comments, while this is just a little over twenty.


 Nice priorities, guys.

 
2014-07-28 08:29:51 PM  
Who thought it would be so easy for Floren to make Gilder the patsy?
 
2014-07-28 08:30:47 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Story has been updated to say the group probably was affiliated with Hamas after all.


That's irrelevant. At the time of the murder, the facts were that the boys were not murdered by Hamas; and even now the facts are that they were not murdered by or on the direct orders of Hamas.

It would be as if the US was shelling Idaho after Oklahoma City because McVeigh was affiliated with the White Aryan Resistance in Coeur d'Alene.

No: Netanyahu wanted some reason--ANY reason--to work out on Gaza, and this happened to be the reason he got; Hamas needed justification--ANY justification--to respond, and Bibi gave them this one.

Eventually the world will realize there IS NO GOOD SIDE in this little slice of WWIII; both sides are equally bad and equally wrong; and somebody will lay down a nuclear option on both their heads. But till then, while the world insists that Israel is less bad because X or Hamas is less bad because Y, neither side has any reason to stop.
 
2014-07-28 08:41:30 PM  

ArkAngel: ecmoRandomNumbers: Doktor_Zhivago: this sounds like antisemitism to me

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That's probably one of the weirdest things about the whole conflict -- even American Jews know that this is heavy-handed bullshiat. Nobody wants to see this. It's stupid. The nuts who are most defending this nonsense are American Christians™ who think they have some sort of claim on the Homeland because of their Book.

I know that American Mormons really believe they have a claim on the Holy Land because they consider themselves People of the Book. A lot of Pentecostals have adopted the same delusion.

And Jews and Muslims claim the area because Twilight Sparkle?


Might as well. It would be just and magical and just as stupid.
 
2014-07-28 08:43:26 PM  
As an apologist for all things Israeli, it is impossible for this to have happened because all Israelis are perfect, any remote insinuation that any Israeli could be not absolutely perfect is the work of anti-Semitic, Nazi, holocaust deniers.

Just trying to get out the standard position in case anyone would ever type a single word that an Israeli could be anything other than perfect.

Isn't it wonderful how just being born in a particular region makes you perfect.  I mean, except if you are an Arab.  Just so there isn't any confusion.
 
2014-07-28 08:51:39 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Story has been updated to say the group probably was affiliated with Hamas after all.


Like Iraq was affiliated with Al Qaeda.
 
2014-07-28 08:53:02 PM  

Marshal805: That story about Sarah Palin has over 400 comments, while this is just a little over twenty.


 Nice priorities, guys.


We change neither by discussing them here. Palin is a comedic thread, this is a serious one.
 
2014-07-28 08:54:14 PM  

Heliovdrake: Makes me wonder how Tats is doing.


Dunno who that is, but here's a picture of gleeful people jumping. Because... I don't know.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-28 08:58:06 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Story has been updated to say the group probably was affiliated with Hamas after all.

That's irrelevant. At the time of the murder, the facts were that the boys were not murdered by Hamas; and even now the facts are that they were not murdered by or on the direct orders of Hamas.

It would be as if the US was shelling Idaho after Oklahoma City because McVeigh was affiliated with the White Aryan Resistance in Coeur d'Alene.

No: Netanyahu wanted some reason--ANY reason--to work out on Gaza, and this happened to be the reason he got; Hamas needed justification--ANY justification--to respond, and Bibi gave them this one.

Eventually the world will realize there IS NO GOOD SIDE in this little slice of WWIII; both sides are equally bad and equally wrong; and somebody will lay down a nuclear option on both their heads. But till then, while the world insists that Israel is less bad because X or Hamas is less bad because Y, neither side has any reason to stop.


Yep. But only one side has the power and resources to stop the conflict, and it isn't Palestine.
 
2014-07-28 08:59:43 PM  
Clearly, these three teenagers were killed by the Israelis.
 
2014-07-28 09:00:17 PM  

Smackledorfer: DamnYankees: What stuns me is that Israeli's support this invasion 87-7.

I don't even know what to say about that.

They don't want peace. This is not new.


except the poll was that 87 don't want an immediate cease fire, they want the IDF to finish the job of hitting the rocket stores, also it was an online pole

It's like asking
 
2014-07-28 09:00:35 PM  

LordJiro: Gyrfalcon: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Story has been updated to say the group probably was affiliated with Hamas after all.

That's irrelevant. At the time of the murder, the facts were that the boys were not murdered by Hamas; and even now the facts are that they were not murdered by or on the direct orders of Hamas.

It would be as if the US was shelling Idaho after Oklahoma City because McVeigh was affiliated with the White Aryan Resistance in Coeur d'Alene.

No: Netanyahu wanted some reason--ANY reason--to work out on Gaza, and this happened to be the reason he got; Hamas needed justification--ANY justification--to respond, and Bibi gave them this one.

Eventually the world will realize there IS NO GOOD SIDE in this little slice of WWIII; both sides are equally bad and equally wrong; and somebody will lay down a nuclear option on both their heads. But till then, while the world insists that Israel is less bad because X or Hamas is less bad because Y, neither side has any reason to stop.

Yep. But only one side has the power and resources to stop the conflict, and it isn't Palestine.


The worst part about all this, is that even if someone does get insane and lay down a nuke, people will just continue to fight over the holy crater.
 
2014-07-28 09:08:38 PM  
So the group responsible wasn't Hamas, but rather just a Hamas affiliate?

Does it really make that much of a difference?
 
2014-07-28 09:10:11 PM  
What stuns me is that Israeli's support this invasion 87-7.


what, they only asked 94 people? oy vey
 
2014-07-28 09:11:49 PM  

StopLurkListen: Heliovdrake: Makes me wonder how Tats is doing.

Dunno who that is, but here's a picture of gleeful people jumping. Because... I don't know.

[i.imgur.com image 850x197]


Well we can be pretty sure that he's not in the IDF, because he doesn't meet the physical fitness requirements.
 
2014-07-28 09:12:05 PM  

Marshal805: That story about Sarah Palin has over 400 comments, while this is just a little over twenty.


 Nice priorities, guys.


Because there's just an outside chance that we could shame Palin into shutting up and going away?
 
2014-07-28 09:12:47 PM  
Israel needs to be back to what's really important: convincing the world Iran is "6 months away" from a nuke, as they have been saying since 2000.
 
2014-07-28 09:15:34 PM  
Sniff....they just grow up so fast, you know?  One minute they're out in the backyard playing soldier, and the next minute they're ginning up a war based on false pretenses leading to massive death and destruction (although the people who are dying don't even say "Merry Christmas", so are they really even people?).  Next thing you know, they'll be off somewhere else, building a family and torturing innocent civilians, just like daddy did.

Treasure these moments, people.  Once they're gone, they're gone forever.  Or at least until Netanyahu gets his next war boner.
 
2014-07-28 09:16:54 PM  

Smackledorfer: this is a serious one


Serious threads? On my Fark?
 
2014-07-28 09:16:55 PM  
BuzzFeed reporter Sheera Frenkel was among the first to suggest that it was unlikely that Hamas was behind the deaths of Gilad Shaar, Naftali Frenkel, and Eyal Yifrach. Citing Palestinian sources and experts in the field, Frenkel reported that kidnapping three Israeli teens would be a ...

Is this the same BuzzFeed we all know or another one?  Seriously?  It had to be sheer luck, right?  They can't have scooped everyone.
 
2014-07-28 09:16:57 PM  

zedster: Smackledorfer: DamnYankees: What stuns me is that Israeli's support this invasion 87-7.

I don't even know what to say about that.

They don't want peace. This is not new.

except the poll was that 87 don't want an immediate cease fire, they want the IDF to finish the job of hitting the rocket stores, also it was an online pole

It's like asking


"Except" may be the wrong word for you to be using. Don't make me bring in patenka.
 
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