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(Entertainment Weekly)   Conflict in Gaza, chaos in the Ukraine, Planes dropping out of the sky like rain - All things more cheerful than the Leftovers   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 111
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2014-07-28 02:44:36 PM  
The author have have a problem with violence, and not a good kind of problem.

FTA "Gladys doesn't just get hit with a rock. She gets hit thirteen times. First, you see her get hit in the face, ripping a gash on her cheek. Then the camera angle changes, and you see her head backlit by flashlights, illuminating the blood that sprays upward from her soft, grey-blonde hair. Then you see her in profile, as the stone smacks into her forehead and her neck snaps back like a crash-test dummy's. There's another whiplash shot. More face-smashing. More blood-spurting. Until her mouth bends into a sad-clown grimace. Her head hangs limp. You can actually hear bones and cartilage getting pulverized. The hard thwack of the first hit slowly gives way to a sickeningly soft thunk. There's the unmistakable sound of blood dripping onto the ground. Then it's gushing. Then it's pouring down.
That's when she gets hit again.
Now she's bleeding from the hair. The nose. The mouth. Thunk. Her glasses are crushed. Thunk. Her mouth hangs agape. Thunk. Finally, Gladys, who has taken a vow of silence, starts begging. "Don't." she says. "Please. Don't. Please don't. Please. Please don't. Don't. Please. Stop. Please." (Or something like that. It's hard to understand her with all of that blood in her mouth.) Thunk.
And then it's over. But it's not really over. It's not enough that Gladys is dead. Later in the episode, we're treated to a close-up view of the corpse, still tied to that tree. Then a flashback replays the murder as it's imagined by Laurie (Amy Brenneman), who is Gladys's vigilance partner in a cult called The Guilty Remnant. The closing scene even revisits Gladys's dead body, as it's being cremated. There's a close-up of her caved-in face as it disappears into the fire.
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2014-07-28 03:01:21 PM  
Someone ACTUALLY watched "The Leftovers"?
 
2014-07-28 03:03:22 PM  

RocketRod: Someone ACTUALLY watched "The Leftovers"?


I'll admit watching it. I get sucked into these single season shows that go nowhere (The Event, Surface, Heroes...)
 
2014-07-28 03:04:56 PM  
It's written by Damon Lindelof. You don't need to write a treatise on why you're not watching it.
 
2014-07-28 03:05:01 PM  
I've been trying to like it, to care.

Not working.
 
2014-07-28 03:08:01 PM  

RocketRod: Someone ACTUALLY watched "The Leftovers"?


I watch it.  Best way I can describe it is beautifully bleak.  The story's going nowhere but, with the exception of the Chief's daughter & her best friend, the characters are really interesting and well-done.
 
2014-07-28 03:20:16 PM  
Did the author actually watch the show or did she just read episode reviews?

"The story of Kevin's son Tom (Chris Zylka) is such a clear Biblical allegory that he's literally shepherding a pregnant woman whose baby might be a holy prophet."

He's shepherding a pregnant woman carrying the Antichrist.  Hell, the episode about Christine (the pregnant woman) had a subplot about recovering the stolen Baby Jesus from the church's manger.  It was titled, "B.J. and A.C."

"I'd like to hear more about what led Laurie to the Guilty Remnant".

Oh, I don't know.  Maybe she found out her husband was cheating on her with some woman who got Taken?
 
2014-07-28 03:21:07 PM  
I stopped watching it last week. It's a disjointed mess that goes nowhere.
 
2014-07-28 03:38:55 PM  
At first I thought the headline was the beginning to a Billy Joel parody song.

/I dont know what The Leftovers are
 
2014-07-28 04:14:46 PM  

vernonFL: At first I thought the headline was the beginning to a Billy Joel parody song.

/I dont know what The Leftovers are


The first half hour of the first episode had me transfixed. You're glued to the screen. Then that awful recurring piano theme comes back for the 400th time. "Hey, Salieri, get your goddamn foot off the sustain pedal!" But I still watched it. And I forgave the ham-fistedness of the 8th-grade kid who was paid to record the soundtrack for the first episode.

Then I watched the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th episode. I kept thinking to myself, "Okay, this HAS to be going somewhere. The writers and director HAVE to have a compelling story arc in mind."

They don't. It's been discussed a lot because HBO dumped a bunch of money into this thing, and it might be the biggest flop they've produced in a decade. It really is crap, which is a shame because I plan on reading the book, which I've heard is pretty good. Don't expect any resolution, though.
 
2014-07-28 04:32:35 PM  

brigid_fitch: Oh, I don't know. Maybe she found out her husband was cheating on her with some woman who got Taken?



If your mistress was "taken", did the affair actually happen?

*Ducks*
 
2014-07-28 04:37:32 PM  
I like it good enough.  Though I can't tell you why.  The episode that focused on the Pastor was excellent.  Lasts night's was pretty good.  The other three OK.  All in all, last night's and the pastor episode bring the series to a B- in my book.  Basically, I'm giving it a go because I am used to watching something good on Sunday night, and right now there is no BB, GoT or MM.  I have no interest in True Blood.  So I'll watch it, hopefully enjoy it, and then decide whether to watch Season 2 some other time.
 
2014-07-28 04:51:59 PM  
Meh....I kind of like the show.  I won't argue with the haters, but I will point our that it is 100 times better than "Girls".  Damn that show sucks.
 
2014-07-28 05:05:23 PM  
Based on the posts so far I'm glad I didn't give it a try.

I'm one of those people that has to finish a book, movie, or show no matter how bad it is.
 
2014-07-28 05:07:54 PM  

brigid_fitch: I watch it.  Best way I can describe it is beautifully bleak.


Someone described Melancholia to me using that same phrase.  After watching that awful thing I wanted to break his legs.
 
2014-07-28 05:26:08 PM  

Diogenes: brigid_fitch: I watch it.  Best way I can describe it is beautifully bleak.

Someone described Melancholia to me using that same phrase.  After watching that awful thing I wanted to break his legs.


That movie was one of the worst things I've ever seen. The wedding scenes made me feel like I was watching that crap take place in real time. That movie was like 16 or 17 hours long, at the very least.
 
2014-07-28 05:32:26 PM  

The_Sponge: Meh....I kind of like the show.  I won't argue with the haters, but I will point our that it is 100 times better than "Girls".  Damn that show sucks.


I fully endorse this post.
 
2014-07-28 05:34:05 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Diogenes: brigid_fitch: I watch it.  Best way I can describe it is beautifully bleak.

Someone described Melancholia to me using that same phrase.  After watching that awful thing I wanted to break his legs.

That movie was one of the worst things I've ever seen. The wedding scenes made me feel like I was watching that crap take place in real time. That movie was like 16 or 17 hours long, at the very least.


I'm pretty sure at least two hours were devoted to turning the limo around on the small country road.
 
2014-07-28 05:34:32 PM  
Watched the premiere episode and let's just say I wish all the main and secondary characters would get the Gladys send-off.
 
2014-07-28 05:36:51 PM  
I haven't got past the pilot. It just didn't do anything for me.
 
2014-07-28 05:41:01 PM  
Being confusing and mysterious isn't necessarily a downside.  Lost was good.  John From Cincinnati was goodish.  The Leftovers is just a bad show, and no amount of mystery or intrigue can rescue it from the lack of characters or the tedious boredom surrounding the execution of what should have been an awesome premise.
 
2014-07-28 05:43:49 PM  
Fell asleep half-way through the pilot episode.
 
2014-07-28 05:45:05 PM  

Diogenes: Based on the posts so far I'm glad I didn't give it a try.

I'm one of those people that has to have strangers decide what I will and won't like.


Adjusted.
 
2014-07-28 05:46:49 PM  
I just want to know what the guilty remnant is about and to see Andie MacDowell's daughter topless. Is that too much to ask for?
 
2014-07-28 05:52:27 PM  
Briefly, it's shyte.
 
2014-07-28 05:54:52 PM  
I'll second that the Eccleston episode was good; kind of an Outer Limits vibe or something to it.  You had this creeping dread that it was all going to go wrong at some point.  Peeling back the pastor's motivations like that and ending with the reveal about the wife was great.

The rest of it... meh.  I get it, it's one giant metaphor for how we deal with death and it is an interesting enough thought experiment.  But none of the characters have been that compelling and whatever supernatural shiat is going on is almost surely going to end up in a Lost-style painted-in corner.  Actually, best thing that could happen with this show is that it does get cancelled and they're forced to write some kind of resolution.
 
2014-07-28 05:57:28 PM  
I am just waiting for the police chief to screw his daughter's friend AKA The Full Lindelof
 
2014-07-28 05:59:04 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: and it might be the biggest flop they've produced in a decade.


No, that's still Luck, and they're going to have to work really hard to outdo that shiatbomb.

I'm still hanging with The Leftovers. I appreciate a show that's not afraid to be relentless in its bleakness. But they're going to need to start bringing some of the threads together soon.
 
2014-07-28 06:04:35 PM  
I gave up on this last week. It's the first time I gave up on an HBO series since Jon from Cincinnati, and I think I stuck with that one longer.

And Fark you JfC for killing one of the finest series HBO ever made just so you could live.
 
2014-07-28 06:04:38 PM  

Pocket Ninja: ecmoRandomNumbers: and it might be the biggest flop they've produced in a decade.

No, that's still Luck, and they're going to have to work really hard to outdo that shiatbomb.

I'm still hanging with The Leftovers. I appreciate a show that's not afraid to be relentless in its bleakness. But they're going to need to start bringing some of the threads together soon.


They're not going to. Read the reviews from the critics who have seen the season. They're pissed.

It seriously is a bad show.
 
2014-07-28 06:05:27 PM  

Pocket Ninja: ecmoRandomNumbers: and it might be the biggest flop they've produced in a decade.

No, that's still Luck, and they're going to have to work really hard to outdo that shiatbomb.

I'm still hanging with The Leftovers. I appreciate a show that's not afraid to be relentless in its bleakness. But they're going to need to start bringing some of the threads together soon.


Yeah I am right there with you even though I keep forgetting to watch it and have to "acquire" it the next day
 
2014-07-28 06:10:39 PM  

brigid_fitch: He's shepherding a pregnant woman carrying the Antichrist.  Hell, the episode about Christine (the pregnant woman) had a subplot about recovering the stolen Baby Jesus from the church's manger.  It was titled, "B.J. and A.C.


I assumed it was a metaphor for AC Slater.


I'm watching the show, but I honestly couldn't recommend it to anyone else. There's not a real hook to it yet. The only characters that feel fleshed out are the reverand and the chief, who seems to be more of an asshole every episode.

I was hoping at the start of the episode to learn more about the GR. They haven't really explained their motivation beyond "remembering what happened", the appeal of joining them, or why they are so incredibly dickish.
 
2014-07-28 06:18:34 PM  

NeoCortex42: brigid_fitch: He's shepherding a pregnant woman carrying the Antichrist.  Hell, the episode about Christine (the pregnant woman) had a subplot about recovering the stolen Baby Jesus from the church's manger.  It was titled, "B.J. and A.C.

I assumed it was a metaphor for AC Slater.


I'm watching the show, but I honestly couldn't recommend it to anyone else. There's not a real hook to it yet. The only characters that feel fleshed out are the reverand and the chief, who seems to be more of an asshole every episode.

I was hoping at the start of the episode to learn more about the GR. They haven't really explained their motivation beyond "remembering what happened", the appeal of joining them, or why they are so incredibly dickish.


Did they explain why they smoke?
 
2014-07-28 06:23:43 PM  
I've been watching the Leftovers, and it really is not a good show.  It reminds me a lot of Penny Dreadful and the Following in that the writers/producers think the show is much, much more clever and original than it actually is.  AV Club summed up the 4th episode really well - "The baby is a metaphor.  Do you get it?"

/Haven't watched last night's episode yet
//Can't tell if the Leftovers or the Strain is worse
 
2014-07-28 06:24:44 PM  
the leftovers is stupid, if you want to watch a bleak brutal tv show then check out "utopia" a channel 4 uk show. The plot is better, the characters are better and the show makes you incredibly uncomfortable cause you find yourself rooting for the bad guys as much as the good guys.
 
2014-07-28 06:29:08 PM  

Doogled: I've been watching the Leftovers, and it really is not a good show.  It reminds me a lot of Penny Dreadful and the Following in that the writers/producers think the show is much, much more clever and original than it actually is.  AV Club summed up the 4th episode really well - "The baby is a metaphor.  Do you get it?"

/Haven't watched last night's episode yet
//Can't tell if the Leftovers or the Strain is worse


I'm liking The Strain and think Penny Dreadful had some great moments. Eva Green had several amazing scenes (séance, possession, sex with Satan (which sounds like a Mel Brooks song)) and is pretty nice on the eyes too. I think next year could be really great.
 
2014-07-28 06:37:23 PM  
No thanks. I already have a saga called "The Leftovers" in my fridge.
 
2014-07-28 06:38:04 PM  

gittlebass: the leftovers is stupid, if you want to watch a bleak brutal tv show then check out "utopia" a channel 4 uk show. The plot is better, the characters are better and the show makes you incredibly uncomfortable cause you find yourself rooting for the bad guys as much as the good guys.


Utopia FTW! Why do the limeys keep kicking our asses at TV with a fraction of the budget? Black Mirror, Utopia, Misfits, Orphan Black- and whet do we get over here? The Last Ship, The Leftovers, Under the Dome, blah blah blah.

The article's author needs to watch The Stoning of Soraya M. You get to know a character and feel for her plight then you get to see her get stoned to death by her own son, husband and neighbors. Not much bothers me but that film farked me up real good. It's like Schindler's List or Threads- bleak, hopeless, not at all entertaining, but a film you can't look away from.
 
2014-07-28 06:40:07 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Did they explain why they smoke?


Maybe?  Not explicitly, but the best I can figure is it's inline with "don't waste your breath".

Doogled: //Can't tell if the Leftovers or the Strain is worse


The Strain is at least somewhat fun in its cheesiness, like Under the Dome, Heroes, or FlashForward.

Three Crooked Squirrels: I like it good enough.  Though I can't tell you why.  The episode that focused on the Pastor was excellent.  Lasts night's was pretty good.  The other three OK.  All in all, last night's and the pastor episode bring the series to a B- in my book.  Basically, I'm giving it a go because I am used to watching something good on Sunday night, and right now there is no BB, GoT or MM.  I have no interest in True Blood.  So I'll watch it, hopefully enjoy it, and then decide whether to watch Season 2 some other time.


Masters of Sex is on Sunday nights, and it's a pretty good way to get a Mad Men-type fix.
 
2014-07-28 06:42:26 PM  

redsquid: Utopia FTW! Why do the limeys keep kicking our asses at TV with a fraction of the budget? Black Mirror, Utopia, Misfits, Orphan Black- and whet do we get over here? The Last Ship, The Leftovers, Under the Dome, blah blah blah.


Orphan Black is actually US/Canadian, not British.  I do agree with your point, though.  I think the biggest thing is the way the show is planned out.  British shows are planned for a single series.  If they do well and there are good ideas for further stories, great.  In the US, they plan on running shows into the ground.  Under the Dome could have been a good single-season, but it's a terrible ongoing series.  Just look at how high the quality has been on single-series stories like Fargo and True Detective.
 
2014-07-28 06:44:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: British shows are planned for a single series.  If they do well and there are good ideas for further stories, great.  In the US, they plan on running shows into the ground


Well in the US they're more concerned with how much money they make than shows in the UK. Aren't UK shows funded by the state or something?
 
2014-07-28 06:46:34 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: I like it good enough.  Though I can't tell you why.  The episode that focused on the Pastor was excellent.  Lasts night's was pretty good.  The other three OK.  All in all, last night's and the pastor episode bring the series to a B- in my book.  Basically, I'm giving it a go because I am used to watching something good on Sunday night, and right now there is no BB, GoT or MM.  I have no interest in True Blood.  So I'll watch it, hopefully enjoy it, and then decide whether to watch Season 2 some other time.


the episode focused on the pastor was when I decided to quit watching. Specifically, when the dude from casino knocked on his car window, I went *click* and walked away. Some great epiphany may have been reached in the final minutes of the episode, but I was so depressed by that point, I didn't care.

It. never. lets. up. So gloomy.
 
2014-07-28 06:48:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: redsquid: Utopia FTW! Why do the limeys keep kicking our asses at TV with a fraction of the budget? Black Mirror, Utopia, Misfits, Orphan Black- and whet do we get over here? The Last Ship, The Leftovers, Under the Dome, blah blah blah.

Orphan Black is actually US/Canadian, not British.  I do agree with your point, though.  I think the biggest thing is the way the show is planned out.  British shows are planned for a single series.  If they do well and there are good ideas for further stories, great.  In the US, they plan on running shows into the ground.  Under the Dome could have been a good single-season, but it's a terrible ongoing series.  Just look at how high the quality has been on single-series stories like Fargo and True Detective.


I assumed that BBC America meant that the Brit overlord were calling the shots on Orphan Black. The IT Crowd definitely proved that less is more. I haven't seen Fargo yet (wasn't a fan of the film) but True Detective left me cold. It had it's moments, but it just wasn't for me. It was a well produced show, however, and I watched it to the end.
 
2014-07-28 06:49:26 PM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: British shows are planned for a single series.  If they do well and there are good ideas for further stories, great.  In the US, they plan on running shows into the ground

Well in the US they're more concerned with how much money they make than shows in the UK. Aren't UK shows funded by the state or something?


There a television fee or some such that pays for BBC programming. There's also non-BBC channels in the UK that function more like cable. Some UK farker could probably explain it more accurately.

One thing I do know is that US actors are paid a shiat load more than their UK counterparts.
 
2014-07-28 06:49:47 PM  

redsquid: gittlebass: the leftovers is stupid, if you want to watch a bleak brutal tv show then check out "utopia" a channel 4 uk show. The plot is better, the characters are better and the show makes you incredibly uncomfortable cause you find yourself rooting for the bad guys as much as the good guys.

Utopia FTW! Why do the limeys keep kicking our asses at TV with a fraction of the budget? Black Mirror, Utopia, Misfits, Orphan Black- and whet do we get over here? The Last Ship, The Leftovers, Under the Dome, blah blah blah.

The article's author needs to watch The Stoning of Soraya M. You get to know a character and feel for her plight then you get to see her get stoned to death by her own son, husband and neighbors. Not much bothers me but that film farked me up real good. It's like Schindler's List or Threads- bleak, hopeless, not at all entertaining, but a film you can't look away from.


So glad to know there's other utopia fans, its seriously the best-most farked up show on tv. I find myself drawn to all the foreign shows. "the fall" with gillian anderson is incredible as well, cant wait for the 2nd season of that
 
2014-07-28 06:50:17 PM  

MutantMotherMouse: Three Crooked Squirrels: I like it good enough.  Though I can't tell you why.  The episode that focused on the Pastor was excellent.  Lasts night's was pretty good.  The other three OK.  All in all, last night's and the pastor episode bring the series to a B- in my book.  Basically, I'm giving it a go because I am used to watching something good on Sunday night, and right now there is no BB, GoT or MM.  I have no interest in True Blood.  So I'll watch it, hopefully enjoy it, and then decide whether to watch Season 2 some other time.

the episode focused on the pastor was when I decided to quit watching. Specifically, when the dude from casino knocked on his car window, I went *click* and walked away. Some great epiphany may have been reached in the final minutes of the episode, but I was so depressed by that point, I didn't care.

It. never. lets. up. So gloomy.


If I ever won that much, I would ask the casino for a security guard to escort me to my car....or just ask for a check.
 
2014-07-28 06:50:51 PM  

redsquid: NeoCortex42: redsquid: Utopia FTW! Why do the limeys keep kicking our asses at TV with a fraction of the budget? Black Mirror, Utopia, Misfits, Orphan Black- and whet do we get over here? The Last Ship, The Leftovers, Under the Dome, blah blah blah.

Orphan Black is actually US/Canadian, not British.  I do agree with your point, though.  I think the biggest thing is the way the show is planned out.  British shows are planned for a single series.  If they do well and there are good ideas for further stories, great.  In the US, they plan on running shows into the ground.  Under the Dome could have been a good single-season, but it's a terrible ongoing series.  Just look at how high the quality has been on single-series stories like Fargo and True Detective.

I assumed that BBC America meant that the Brit overlord were calling the shots on Orphan Black. The IT Crowd definitely proved that less is more. I haven't seen Fargo yet (wasn't a fan of the film) but True Detective left me cold. It had it's moments, but it just wasn't for me. It was a well produced show, however, and I watched it to the end.


If you like IT crowd check out black books, its the show that graham lineham did before IT crowd. Its incredible
 
2014-07-28 06:51:18 PM  

redsquid: NeoCortex42: redsquid: Utopia FTW! Why do the limeys keep kicking our asses at TV with a fraction of the budget? Black Mirror, Utopia, Misfits, Orphan Black- and whet do we get over here? The Last Ship, The Leftovers, Under the Dome, blah blah blah.

Orphan Black is actually US/Canadian, not British.  I do agree with your point, though.  I think the biggest thing is the way the show is planned out.  British shows are planned for a single series.  If they do well and there are good ideas for further stories, great.  In the US, they plan on running shows into the ground.  Under the Dome could have been a good single-season, but it's a terrible ongoing series.  Just look at how high the quality has been on single-series stories like Fargo and True Detective.

I assumed that BBC America meant that the Brit overlord were calling the shots on Orphan Black. The IT Crowd definitely proved that less is more. I haven't seen Fargo yet (wasn't a fan of the film) but True Detective left me cold. It had it's moments, but it just wasn't for me. It was a well produced show, however, and I watched it to the end.


BBCA is pretty independent I think. They're at least separate enough that they have to license BBC shows and are treated like any other rebroadcaster of BBC content.
 
2014-07-28 06:54:11 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Doogled: I've been watching the Leftovers, and it really is not a good show.  It reminds me a lot of Penny Dreadful and the Following in that the writers/producers think the show is much, much more clever and original than it actually is.  AV Club summed up the 4th episode really well - "The baby is a metaphor.  Do you get it?"

/Haven't watched last night's episode yet
//Can't tell if the Leftovers or the Strain is worse

I'm liking The Strain and think Penny Dreadful had some great moments. Eva Green had several amazing scenes (séance, possession, sex with Satan (which sounds like a Mel Brooks song)) and is pretty nice on the eyes too. I think next year could be really great.


I didn't get a chance to watch any of last night's TV, but the Strain so far has been trope after trope after trope.  In the pilot, Eph even had the "quirk" (milk drinking) that all smart people have to have and made a big speech to some authority organization to get control over the crime scene.  So, so terrible.  You kinda knew the writing was going to be pretty lazy when the bad guy organization is called the Stoneheart Group.  Del Toro is usually pretty good about world building and visuals, but he is a terrible, terrible writer.  I'm hoping the writers hired to fill out the rest of the episodes are better.

As for Penny Dreadful, you're right that Eva Green is a real highlight of the show.  But again, the writing is just really lazy with name dropping for no reason and just insanely stupid moments.  Some highlights from the first season:

-"My name is (dramatic pause) Dorian Gray."
-The sheer amount of blunt foreshadowing of the wolf man
-Van Helsing showing up to introduce the vampires only to be killed almost immediately to prove a point (I guess) to Frankenstein
-Wolfie keeping people in check during the exorcism episode only to perform it at the end (what?) and walk off into the night then the credits roll (yay trope!)

In fact, what was the point of Dorian Gray even being in this season?  All he did was bang most of the main cast (watch your ass, Bond) and be a contrived plot device.
 
2014-07-28 06:59:19 PM  

Doogled: contrived plot device.


"Contrived Plot Device" should be the subtitle of Penny Dreadful. Seriously, that was one of the absolute worst shows to air this year. That's what screenwriting looks like when very mediocre writers are allowed to believe they have deep thoughts.
 
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