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(Guardian)   The USDA is moving towards final approval of a rule that would remove government inspectors and allow the meat processors to guard the salmonella assembly lines   (theguardian.com) divider line 78
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2014-07-28 02:20:45 PM  
Considering the FDA inspectors are paid by the plants anyway and "inspect" the meat merely by looking at it, I don't really care. Eliminate the inspectors and treat all meat with cobalt irradiation.
 
2014-07-28 02:46:25 PM  
I don't know that the American meat industry could get any worse, but it looks like they'll be trying hard anyway.

The difference between a "real" chicken I get from an Amish farmer and the ones on sale in the grocery store is already pretty shocking.
 
2014-07-28 02:48:26 PM  
 
2014-07-28 03:04:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Meanwhile, Denmark has accomplished the impossible.


That's American Exceptionalism. Take something a country has done then complain we can't do it because we're too big/have too much diversity/have the wrong political system etc etc.
 
2014-07-28 03:09:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Meanwhile, Denmark has accomplished the impossible.


....but I was under the Libertarian impression that all regulations were bad.

Are you saying that might not be true?
 
2014-07-28 03:13:20 PM  
Welp...looks like I'll be subsisting off of noodles and beer from here on out...
 
2014-07-28 03:15:27 PM  
Gotta thin the herd somehow till Ebola gets here.
 
2014-07-28 03:16:57 PM  
This is just pathetic. It's also criminal.
 
2014-07-28 03:17:07 PM  
No chicken anytime soon for me, but this does bode well for my new book, The Jungle II: Because Fark You and Your Children.
 
2014-07-28 03:18:07 PM  
Yay! The evil government oppressors will be removed! Now, the free market will deliver us much better meat at a fraction of the cost with the evil government out of the way! This is definitely in the best interest of consumers and not designed to increase profits for producers at the expense of a few dead plebs nobody cares about!
 
2014-07-28 03:18:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I don't know that the American meat industry could get any worse, but it looks like they'll be trying hard anyway.

The difference between a "real" chicken I get from an Amish farmer and the ones on sale in the grocery store is already pretty shocking.


The Amish chicken has way more growth hormones pumped into it for one. In Southwestern WI, the farms that by far use the most pesticides are all Amish. Amish does not equal organic or free range.
 
2014-07-28 03:18:25 PM  
It's my understanding that inspectors actually only look at a small percentage of the meat anyway. Nevermind that almost all contamination is identified after people get sick.

Then again, I'm of the opinion that "locks are there to keep honest people honest." Inspectors probably do nothing to deter the bad guys, but they're probably reason enough to keep most companies from letting things slide.

/dnrta
 
2014-07-28 03:19:40 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: The Jungle II: Because Fark You and Your Children.


I hope that's just a working title...

How about The Jungle II: Bonesaw Boogaloo
 
2014-07-28 03:21:16 PM  

menschenfresser: Yay! The evil government oppressors will be removed! Now, the free market will deliver us much better meat at a fraction of the cost with the evil government out of the way! This is definitely in the best interest of consumers and not designed to increase profits for producers at the expense of a few dead plebs nobody cares about!


Sure some people will die, but most won't.  And those of us who live will be able to vote with our wallets.  Plus, who am I to say that salmonella doesn't add texture?
 
2014-07-28 03:22:11 PM  
Mmm, chicken.
 
2014-07-28 03:22:51 PM  
The Corporate Oligarchy of America does't like regulation.
 
2014-07-28 03:23:01 PM  
cook your meat to proper temp... *yawns*
 
2014-07-28 03:25:22 PM  
I'm for that with one addition.  Any outfit that sells contaminated meat will be punished by hanging every exec and person directly responsible for the supervision of the contamination.
 
2014-07-28 03:25:34 PM  
So glad I am surrounded by farms that allow me to get locally raised free range chicken, turkey, beef, pork, and bison.
 
2014-07-28 03:26:24 PM  

Headso: Jaden Smith First of His Name: The Jungle II: Because Fark You and Your Children.

I hope that's just a working title...

How about The Jungle II: Bonesaw Boogaloo


May I suggest The Jungle II: Deus Ex Mechanical Separator?
 
2014-07-28 03:26:29 PM  
I for one welcome our zombie apocalypse overlords
 
2014-07-28 03:27:34 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I don't know that the American meat industry could get any worse, but it looks like they'll be trying hard anyway.

The difference between a "real" chicken I get from an Amish farmer and the ones on sale in the grocery store is already pretty shocking.


I had eggs from a backyard chicken coop the other weekend. The difference from grocery store eggs was so striking I'm amazed they came from the same species.
 
2014-07-28 03:28:10 PM  

Pinner: cook your meat to proper temp... *yawns*


Yeah, that's a surefire solution!
 
2014-07-28 03:29:47 PM  
As long as the industry can sell more product.
 
2014-07-28 03:31:08 PM  
It'll be 20 years before any of these suckers find out they have mad cow prions in their brains.

Fark em, we'll be long gone with our cash by then.
 
2014-07-28 03:32:36 PM  
Based on all the recent contaminations I was under the impression that the government inspectors were just a myth told to children to make them feel better about eating dead things processed in disease factories covered in poop rivers.
 
2014-07-28 03:34:40 PM  

LarryDan43: Marcus Aurelius: I don't know that the American meat industry could get any worse, but it looks like they'll be trying hard anyway.

The difference between a "real" chicken I get from an Amish farmer and the ones on sale in the grocery store is already pretty shocking.

The Amish chicken has way more growth hormones pumped into it for one. In Southwestern WI, the farms that by far use the most pesticides are all Amish. Amish does not equal organic or free range.


The Pennsylvania Amish let their chickens roam freely.  I know this, because I see them when I go to the farm for chickens.  And feeding chickens growth hormones is illegal.  You may be thinking of antibiotics, which promote growth when fed to young birds.  And I'm pretty sure that feeding pesticides to chickens isn't standard practice either.
 
2014-07-28 03:39:27 PM  
That seems, unwise.
 
2014-07-28 03:43:07 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Meanwhile, Denmark has accomplished the impossible.


Interesting stuff, thank you

My wife works in food safety industry and is in a masters program as well.  We watched some food inspection videos from slaughterhouses during various time periods...the speed at which the food flies by the inspector makes me think that inspection is more or less worthless.

The videos also introduced me to the concept of the bung gun....

/csb
 
2014-07-28 03:49:43 PM  

nocturnal001: Pinner: cook your meat to proper temp... *yawns*

Yeah, that's a surefire solution!

Salmonella

is killed by heating it to 131 degrees for one hour, 140 degrees for 1/2 hour, or heating it to 167 degrees for 10 minutes.
E-coli lives in the intestinal tract of animals - not the flesh. And the danger is that in the process of butchering a cow or chicken some of the contents of the intestinal tract may contaminate the exposed flesh. That's why it's safe (relatively) to sear a steak over high heat and still eat it rare or medium rare (125 - 135 F). That's also why all ground meat should be cooked to 160 degrees - because the external flesh and internal flesh are mixed together during grinding.
Trichinosis, Fortunately trichinosis is killed at 135 degrees so it's safe to eat if cooked to at least 140 or 145. Salmonella can also sometimes inhabit the meat of poultry so cooking chicken and turkey to at least 160 degrees is wise. (Note that salmonella can also inhabit eggs and so there is a risk with soft-boiled eggs, omelettes, and scrambled eggs.)

Jeeze, I need a nap now.
 
2014-07-28 03:55:26 PM  

Pinner: cook your meat to proper temp... *yawns*


I wish you were around in 1906 when Sinclair wrote The Jungle.  Then you could just walk up in his face and say "cook your meat to proper temp" and *yawn* in his face and it would be totally badass.

Just like it is here.
 
2014-07-28 03:58:28 PM  

Pinner: nocturnal001: Pinner: cook your meat to proper temp... *yawns*

Yeah, that's a surefire solution!

Salmonella is killed by heating it to 131 degrees for one hour, 140 degrees for 1/2 hour, or heating it to 167 degrees for 10 minutes.
E-coli lives in the intestinal tract of animals - not the flesh. And the danger is that in the process of butchering a cow or chicken some of the contents of the intestinal tract may contaminate the exposed flesh. That's why it's safe (relatively) to sear a steak over high heat and still eat it rare or medium rare (125 - 135 F). That's also why all ground meat should be cooked to 160 degrees - because the external flesh and internal flesh are mixed together during grinding.
Trichinosis, Fortunately trichinosis is killed at 135 degrees so it's safe to eat if cooked to at least 140 or 145. Salmonella can also sometimes inhabit the meat of poultry so cooking chicken and turkey to at least 160 degrees is wise. (Note that salmonella can also inhabit eggs and so there is a risk with soft-boiled eggs, omelettes, and scrambled eggs.)

Jeeze, I need a nap now.


Sure, but you do know why we still inspect meat right? Sometimes shiat happens and meat doesn't get cooked all the way, sometimes there is cross contamination etc.

Saying "der, just cook yo foods" isn't the solution.
 
2014-07-28 04:01:48 PM  
At what temperature do you cook the meat inspector? Meat inspectors -- the other white meat. It's why inspected meat tastes better.
 
2014-07-28 04:02:55 PM  

nocturnal001: Sure, but you do know why we still inspect meat right? Sometimes shiat happens and meat doesn't get cooked all the way, sometimes there is cross contamination etc.

Saying "der, just cook yo foods" isn't the solution.


You'd think maybe, i dunno, but it might be nice to have inspectors regularly making sure that little things like cleanliness and temperature and proper packaging are enforced in order to limit potential contamination outbreaks, but I guess that was just another liberal boondoggle and the freemarket will decide who lives and dies because cook yo foods.
 
2014-07-28 04:03:57 PM  
Dumb idea is dumb and dangerous.
 
2014-07-28 04:06:49 PM  

Pinner: cook your meat to proper temp... *yawns*


...and use a plastic cutting board, sterilize the board after using, keep your knives clean, and wash hands often while cooking.

//that said, I willingly pay more for "natural" and "free range" chicken, but without a high level of confidence that they're really raised all that differently, except maybe the use of antibiotics.  not everyone has that choice, though.
 
2014-07-28 04:07:18 PM  
I agree with you two, there ARE issues with inspection, slaughter, conditions, etc and always have been. Nothing either of you two can do about it.
Your options are to buy your meat from a source you trust, or bite the bullet and cook the massed produced covered in feces meat from the grocery store to proper temp. You WILL kill the bacteria.

If this passes, it will take a few serious recalls, combined with poor food handling caused illnesses to say, "Hey, this lack of inspection is not working out too well, because the people buying this crap are too dumb to handle the food properly, and REALLY need the govt to wipe the meat's ass properly"
 
2014-07-28 04:10:06 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Pinner: cook your meat to proper temp... *yawns*

...and use a plastic cutting board, sterilize the board after using, keep your knives clean, and wash hands often while cooking.

//that said, I willingly pay more for "natural" and "free range" chicken, but without a high level of confidence that they're really raised all that differently, except maybe the use of antibiotics.  not everyone has that choice, though.


Hell, basic food handling should be required in school. Or at least have the kids take a mandatory food handler's on-line permit tutorial.
But that's something for Michelle to handle.
 
2014-07-28 04:20:17 PM  

Pinner: I agree with you two, there ARE issues with inspection, slaughter, conditions, etc and always have been. Nothing either of you two can do about it.
Your options are to buy your meat from a source you trust, or bite the bullet and cook the massed produced covered in feces meat from the grocery store to proper temp. You WILL kill the bacteria.

If this passes, it will take a few serious recalls, combined with poor food handling caused illnesses to say, "Hey, this lack of inspection is not working out too well, because the people buying this crap are too dumb to handle the food properly, and REALLY need the govt to wipe the meat's ass properly"


So the removal of inspectors is a negative thing then. Right? I think you agree there.
 
2014-07-28 04:20:54 PM  

Pinner: I agree with you two, there ARE issues with inspection, slaughter, conditions, etc and always have been. Nothing either of you two can do about it.
Your options are to buy your meat from a source you trust, or bite the bullet and cook the massed produced covered in feces meat from the grocery store to proper temp. You WILL kill the bacteria.

If this passes, it will take a few serious recalls, combined with poor food handling caused illnesses to say, "Hey, this lack of inspection is not working out too well, because the people buying this crap are too dumb to handle the food properly, and REALLY need the govt to wipe the meat's ass properly"


Why do you think that bacteria is the only possible health issue when it comes to food?
 
2014-07-28 04:24:28 PM  
Inspectors do more than look at the meat itself. They look at the condition of the processing plant.
 
2014-07-28 04:33:12 PM  
We eat about 8 Billion chickens and 50 Billion eggs in the annually in the US. The system could be improved but it's not nearly the certain death some would lead you to believe. I do like the Dane's solution though.
 
2014-07-28 04:37:11 PM  

qorkfiend: Pinner: I agree with you two, there ARE issues with inspection, slaughter, conditions, etc and always have been. Nothing either of you two can do about it.
Your options are to buy your meat from a source you trust, or bite the bullet and cook the massed produced covered in feces meat from the grocery store to proper temp. You WILL kill the bacteria.

If this passes, it will take a few serious recalls, combined with poor food handling caused illnesses to say, "Hey, this lack of inspection is not working out too well, because the people buying this crap are too dumb to handle the food properly, and REALLY need the govt to wipe the meat's ass properly"

Why do you think that bacteria is the only possible health issue when it comes to food?


Well, we haven't had Mad Chicken disease....yet. And the hormones and antibiotics? You have a choice.
Did I say that bacteria is the only issue?
How do you know that the little demented hippie kids at your local farm aren't prolapsing the anuses of those free-range, hormone free, locally sourced birds? What? Chlamydia in MY chicken?
I'm sure they still taste good. Cooked to temp.
 
2014-07-28 04:40:53 PM  

LarryDan43: Marcus Aurelius: I don't know that the American meat industry could get any worse, but it looks like they'll be trying hard anyway.

The difference between a "real" chicken I get from an Amish farmer and the ones on sale in the grocery store is already pretty shocking.

The Amish chicken has way more growth hormones pumped into it for one. In Southwestern WI, the farms that by far use the most pesticides are all Amish. Amish does not equal organic or free range.


Protip: organic has never meant pesticide or any other- cide free. It just means some synthetic -cides aren't used.

The difference in toxicity is...
 
2014-07-28 04:44:17 PM  

Pinner: cook your meat to proper temp... *yawns*


Enjoy your mad cow disease. There is no temperature you can cook meat to destroy that shiat.
 
2014-07-28 04:44:31 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I don't know that the American meat industry could get any worse, but it looks like they'll be trying hard anyway.

The difference between a "real" chicken I get from an Amish farmer and the ones on sale in the grocery store is already pretty shocking.


If love their chicken, then you should visit one of their puppy mills.
 
2014-07-28 04:45:12 PM  

Pinner: I agree with you two, there ARE issues with inspection, slaughter, conditions, etc and always have been. Nothing either of you two can do about it.
Your options are to buy your meat from a source you trust, or bite the bullet and cook the massed produced covered in feces meat from the grocery store to proper temp. You WILL kill the bacteria.

If this passes, it will take a few serious recalls, combined with poor food handling caused illnesses to say, "Hey, this lack of inspection is not working out too well, because the people buying this crap are too dumb to handle the food properly, and REALLY need the govt to wipe the meat's ass properly"


Salmonella alone is 1.2 million illnesses in the US each year. Our food industry sickens a whole shiatload more people than the Europeans do - like an order of magnitude or two more.

Like so many things in our country the problem is with our political leaders being dependant on bribes, I mean campaign contributions, industry here in the US gets to weaken our regulations and the regulators that enforce them. We already have tons of people getting sick and nothing is being done except industry making it worse.

We REALLY need a popular movement/uprising focussed on getting money out of politics as much as possible. Public campaign financing FTW.
 
2014-07-28 04:50:47 PM  
So they're replacing the deadbeats who didn't do anything anyway with deadbeats who aren't trained in how to do nothing?

Oh no! (?)

Meat inspection needs to be better, but this is hardly making them any worse. It's more like giving up on pretending that the current system worked anyway.
 
2014-07-28 04:51:27 PM  
So much for FSIS.  Great bunch of hard working people.
 
2014-07-28 04:51:42 PM  
How the f*ck is this alleged "journalist" blaming Fartbama?
 
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