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(The Daily Beast)   That "hand-bottled, small-batch" rye you like to impress your friends with? Yeah, it was produced in a giant factory distillery in Indiana   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 321
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2014-07-28 10:43:22 AM  
that's why i always thought the templeton rye thing was so silly. great marketing, but not exactly a "craft" product. i find it amusing that they offer tours of their facility. i guess all you'll see is the bottling.
 
2014-07-28 10:52:08 AM  
Does it start like lighter fluid and end like a chainsaw?  Then it's probably good rye.

/lives at ground zero of the best ryes on the planet
 
2014-07-28 10:56:26 AM  
I recently met a guy who works at a distillery in Oklahoma. He said there are five brands of alcohol produced there. And i think he mentioned makers mark as one of the products.
 
2014-07-28 10:57:55 AM  

unyon: /lives at ground zero of the best ryes on the planet


But Crown Royal is made in Gimli, Manitoba.

/youseewhatididthere?
 
2014-07-28 11:15:44 AM  
as somebody who "hand-bottled" his own 200ml sample at the balvenie distillery a couple of weeks ago, i'm getting a kick, etc....
 
2014-07-28 11:18:38 AM  

unyon: /lives at ground zero of the best ryes on the planet


I was going to type, "Unless you're from the snowy north, you're a liar," then I clicked your profile. ;P
 
2014-07-28 11:32:45 AM  
Now I want to sample MGPs various distilled products.

/Drew, you realize you could sell artisinal Fark-brand whiskey, complete with squirrel-shaped bottle...
 
2014-07-28 11:33:09 AM  

Rev.K: unyon: /lives at ground zero of the best ryes on the planet

But Crown Royal is made in Gimli, Manitoba.

/youseewhatididthere?

Yes, /Iseewhatyoudidthere.


Crown Royal isn't rye.  It's Canadian Whiskey, which is a blend of rye and corn whiskeys.  That's why it's so sweet, and like bourbon, is suitable drinking for cheerleaders, toddlers, and the incontinent.

It's a shame that CR is the only whiskey made in Manitoba.  Lord knows they've got the raw materials for it.

upload.wikimedia.org

/100% rye FTW
 
2014-07-28 11:43:26 AM  
i'm a big whisk(e)y fan - but i've never tried canadian whisky. how does it compare to bourbon and scotch?
 
2014-07-28 12:05:22 PM  

FlashHarry: i'm a big whisk(e)y fan - but i've never tried canadian whisky. how does it compare to bourbon and scotch?


Crown Royal has a pretty big reputation....for everyone except unyon.

:P
 
2014-07-28 12:15:50 PM  
This is why I make sure to visit the local places before buying their products. For example, there's a good single malt whisky being made in the foothills of the North Carolina Appalachian Mountains.

Actually, there's probably a ton of it, but this one is legal.

www.thedigitalcourier.com

Not my picture, but I've been to their barn in the middle of a field, past the abandoned houses on a street labelled "Private Drive" that's a good half hour from town.
 
2014-07-28 12:34:10 PM  
The Virginia wine industry, which was making some very real strides over the past couple of decades, is at this very moment being gutted from within by greedy asshats doing this exact same thing, except with win. They've figured out that doing a half-assed planting of vines they'll never use qualifies them to be "farm wineries" that actually operate as wine bars or event centers, and they can then simply purchase their stock from other suppliers and re-label it. These halfwits already almost ruined it for everybody in Faquier County, and pretty soon the day of reckoning is going to hit the whole state. Asshats, all of them.
 
2014-07-28 12:47:12 PM  

FlashHarry: i'm a big whisk(e)y fan - but i've never tried canadian whisky. how does it compare to bourbon and scotch?


I've been drinking 40 Creek Copper Pot Reaerve. It's exquisite.
 
2014-07-28 12:47:26 PM  
In other news, people like to buy pretty bottles.
 
2014-07-28 12:51:52 PM  
Whiskey snobs are so caught up in telling everyone how much they "know" about  Whiskey, they don't actually know where it's coming from. The distillers know this and use their uneducated pompousness against them.
 
2014-07-28 12:52:02 PM  
This is true for many craft vodkas sold in the US. Some of them aren't even vodka, but just grain neutral alcohol with flavorings, in a bootle for which far more thought was put into that the liquor in it. This is sad for the real craft distilleries, since they can't compete with the charlatans hell bent on stealing their customers.
 
2014-07-28 12:54:06 PM  
Small batch beer, whiskey, vodak/vodka, whatever.

I was partial to Rogue Distillery and Bendistillery stuff.

I gave up after I saw an "Oregon bottled Tequila" from some place I can't even remember.

It's still grown, fermented, distilled, and aged in Mexico.  It has to be.
 
2014-07-28 12:57:12 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The Virginia wine industry, which was making some very real strides over the past couple of decades, is at this very moment being gutted from within by greedy asshats doing this exact same thing, except with win. They've figured out that doing a half-assed planting of vines they'll never use qualifies them to be "farm wineries" that actually operate as wine bars or event centers, and they can then simply purchase their stock from other suppliers and re-label it. These halfwits already almost ruined it for everybody in Faquier County, and pretty soon the day of reckoning is going to hit the whole state. Asshats, all of them.


You can't blame them for knowing their market, even if you can blame them for not giving a shiat about their wines.  Think about the type of yuppy asshat that goes on wine tours in Fairfax County (not sure if Faquier is as bad). Do you think they're going to discover a true high quality local wine, or for "the experience".  The more expensive and bland you can make it for those people, the more they'll rave about it.
 
2014-07-28 12:57:47 PM  

FlashHarry: as somebody who "hand-bottled" his own 200ml sample at the balvenie distillery a couple of weeks ago, i'm getting a kick, etc....


*drools*

/color me jealous
 
2014-07-28 12:57:55 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The Virginia wine industry, which was making some very real strides over the past couple of decades, is at this very moment being gutted from within by greedy asshats doing this exact same thing, except with win. They've figured out that doing a half-assed planting of vines they'll never use qualifies them to be "farm wineries" that actually operate as wine bars or event centers, and they can then simply purchase their stock from other suppliers and re-label it. These halfwits already almost ruined it for everybody in Faquier County, and pretty soon the day of reckoning is going to hit the whole state. Asshats, all of them.


That is happening to a lot of areas that used to have what was considered "growth" opportunity wineries. Big money came in and suddenly they became re-labeling markets. Truly sad.
 
2014-07-28 12:58:04 PM  
shiat like this is why I'm glad I'm a lightweight. It's pretty difficult to get hoodwinked about the pedigree of "half a shot of cheap vodka in a glass of whatever juice is handy".
 
2014-07-28 12:59:49 PM  
www.drinkupny.com
 
2014-07-28 01:01:32 PM  
I would tell you what my favorite craft bourbon is, but then all you farkers would start buying it and the price would go up. It's already gone up a few bucks a bottle since it was introduced.
 
2014-07-28 01:01:33 PM  
I think the hidden information here that we're all missing is that there's a distillery that will sell barrels of booze cheap.
 
2014-07-28 01:01:49 PM  

JackieRabbit: This is true for many craft vodkas sold in the US. Some of them aren't even vodka, but just grain neutral alcohol with flavorings, in a bootle for which far more thought was put into that the liquor in it. This is sad for the real craft distilleries, since they can't compete with the charlatans hell bent on stealing their customers.


Vodka *is* filtered/diluted neutral grain alcohol. What the hell are you talking about?
 
2014-07-28 01:02:24 PM  
Thread song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=braQeLkJUvE

rye whiskey - punch brothers
 
2014-07-28 01:02:26 PM  
Ok, let me clarify this a bit...

The product is DISTILLED at a factory distillery, but the batches are made and fermented by craft companies and the barrels are stored in the craft barrel houses...

As someone who has vested interest in this, and subscribes to Distiller Magazine, this is an industry this article isn't clear on...

So, if i want to start a Craft spirits company, I can do one of 2 things.

Come up with the MASSIVE capital to start a distillery (stills start at 50K and go up from there), and spend a few years getting clearance from the feds just to start distilling the product, wait 4 years while i'm not making ANY money, then bet it all on the hopes that the state alcohol board will approve my product to be sold...

OR

I contact a company like BSG Distilling and contract the actual distillation process to them while I make the Distiller's Beer (all the ingredients fermented but hasn't been distilled). I then ship the Distillers Beer to them for distillation, bypassing a shiat ton of federal regulations and oversight. They ship the distilled product back. I put the product in my barrels, and store it in my barrel house, and then I only have to deal with the state alcohol board to get the product approved for sale in the state...
 
2014-07-28 01:03:02 PM  

rooftop235: I recently met a guy who works at a distillery in Oklahoma. He said there are five brands of alcohol produced there. And i think he mentioned makers mark as one of the products.


Maker's Mark is a brand made by Jim Beam.  Made in Kentucky.

Oklahoma doesn't have much in the way of whisky distilleries, but here's the list.
 
2014-07-28 01:03:17 PM  
Also funny, when snobs rail on about how much they hate Jim Beam while drinking a Beam product.
 
2014-07-28 01:03:46 PM  

Pocket Ninja: These halfwits already almost ruined it for everybody in Faquier County, and pretty soon the day of reckoning is going to hit the whole state.


Living in Maryland, I was always amused by "Fark your county".
 
2014-07-28 01:05:10 PM  
Here in Loudoun County, VA, we have the real deal: Catoctin Creek Distillery (they even get a nod at the foot of the article). Grain goes in the front door, rye goes in the bottles, spent rye mash goes out the back as animal feed to local farmers.

You can even buy their used barrels as smoking chips for the barbecue from time to time.
 
2014-07-28 01:05:12 PM  

unyon: Crown Royal isn't rye.  It's Canadian Whiskey, which is a blend of rye and corn whiskeys.  That's why it's so sweet, and like bourbon, is suitable drinking for cheerleaders, toddlers, and the incontinent.


And the whisky snobs jump in!
 
2014-07-28 01:06:13 PM  
All those vodkas with Russian names, have not crossed any oceans.
 
2014-07-28 01:06:33 PM  

Donnchadha: This is why I make sure to visit the local places before buying their products.


But that's just it per TFA.  Apparently a lot of these places have a factory with a big still and many even give tours.  Its just they aren't actually using the factory to do the distilling (or have, but haven't been around long enough to age it).  So its perfectly possible to visit a "local craft" distiller, go on a tour, and walk out the door with a bottle of whiskey distilled in another state at a large factory.
 
2014-07-28 01:06:34 PM  

Earguy: rooftop235: I recently met a guy who works at a distillery in Oklahoma. He said there are five brands of alcohol produced there. And i think he mentioned makers mark as one of the products.

Maker's Mark is a brand made by Jim Beam.  Made in Kentucky.

Oklahoma doesn't have much in the way of whisky distilleries, but here's the list.


Actually, Maker's and Jim Beam were just told to Japan...

http://nation.time.com/2014/01/13/five-jim-beam-alternatives-for-the -p atriotic-bourbon-drinker/
 
2014-07-28 01:09:05 PM  

CeroX: Ok, let me clarify this a bit...

The product is DISTILLED at a factory distillery, but the batches are made and fermented by craft companies and the barrels are stored in the craft barrel houses...

As someone who has vested interest in this, and subscribes to Distiller Magazine, this is an industry this article isn't clear on...

So, if i want to start a Craft spirits company, I can do one of 2 things.

Come up with the MASSIVE capital to start a distillery (stills start at 50K and go up from there), and spend a few years getting clearance from the feds just to start distilling the product, wait 4 years while i'm not making ANY money, then bet it all on the hopes that the state alcohol board will approve my product to be sold...

OR

I contact a company like BSG Distilling and contract the actual distillation process to them while I make the Distiller's Beer (all the ingredients fermented but hasn't been distilled). I then ship the Distillers Beer to them for distillation, bypassing a shiat ton of federal regulations and oversight. They ship the distilled product back. I put the product in my barrels, and store it in my barrel house, and then I only have to deal with the state alcohol board to get the product approved for sale in the state...


The article was pretty clear.  Some/most of these guys are buying aged spirits from this factory distillery and selling it as their own product. Some of them are even selling rye that is aged longer than the company has been in existence.  That takes some balls right there.
 
2014-07-28 01:09:22 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The Virginia wine industry, which was making some very real strides over the past couple of decades, is at this very moment being gutted from within by greedy asshats doing this exact same thing, except with win. They've figured out that doing a half-assed planting of vines they'll never use qualifies them to be "farm wineries" that actually operate as wine bars or event centers, and they can then simply purchase their stock from other suppliers and re-label it. These halfwits already almost ruined it for everybody in Faquier County, and pretty soon the day of reckoning is going to hit the whole state. Asshats, all of them.


This is true in Texas as well. The "wineries" also operate on-premises bistros to generate revenue and flog their labels.

Asshats.
 
2014-07-28 01:10:32 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: [www.drinkupny.com image 170x500]


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-28 01:10:38 PM  
Here's the list that references actual distillers, and those that are just bottlers/rebranders:
http://recenteats.blogspot.com/p/the-complete-list-of-american-whisk ey .html
 
2014-07-28 01:10:44 PM  
...but....but...I thought KGB was a name I could trust!
 
2014-07-28 01:11:00 PM  

rooftop235: I recently met a guy who works at a distillery in Oklahoma. He said there are five brands of alcohol produced there. And i think he mentioned makers mark as one of the products.


Maker's Mark is still made in Kentucky. You can tell because the label states "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey". If it isn't made in Kentucky, then it cannot claim to be Kentucky Bourbon.

Doesn't mean it can't be bourbon, just means it can't be good bourbon.
 
2014-07-28 01:11:01 PM  

baconbeard: JackieRabbit: This is true for many craft vodkas sold in the US. Some of them aren't even vodka, but just grain neutral alcohol with flavorings ...

Vodka *is* filtered/diluted neutral grain alcohol. What the hell are you talking about?


Gin
 
2014-07-28 01:12:18 PM  

CeroX: Ok, let me clarify this a bit...


Maybe some people do that, but I'm sure there are some folks buying bottle-ready whiskey and just slapping a label on it.
 
2014-07-28 01:13:06 PM  

FlashHarry: i'm a big whisk(e)y fan - but i've never tried canadian whisky. how does it compare to bourbon and scotch?


/I love my whiskey, and i have to tell you, from all i have tried, Crown Royal is right up there. Easy to drink, tasty, and goes down smooth without the coughing and choking.  Very nice, and if someone offers to buy me a bottle for birthday / christmas, i ask for Crown Royal.
 
2014-07-28 01:13:19 PM  

uncleacid: All those vodkas with Russian names, have not crossed any oceans.


Some have, some have not. Check labels before you buy.
Also, the best vodkas don't necessarily come from Russia.

You can have your vodka, I drink only the finest vodaks.
 
2014-07-28 01:13:22 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: [www.drinkupny.com image 170x500]


This. Fortunately, mass-produced rye whiskey from macro-distilleries is GOOD. Craft beer is quite distinguishably better than Budweiser. Craft rye is not necessarily any better than Old Overcoat. I try a lot of different brands of gin, which is very amenable to small-batch customizing (you just put your own herb recipe in mass-produced neutral spirits) and most of them suck, not because of quality, but because of a misguided herb recipe. Rye, they pretty much have figured out.
 
2014-07-28 01:13:38 PM  
meat0918:

The article was pretty clear.  Some/most of these guys are buying aged spirits from this factory distillery and selling it as their own product. Some of them are even selling rye that is aged longer than the company has been in existence.  That takes some balls right there.

I didn't read the entire article... so...

fark any company that does that...

For those that want to track down a real craft Bourbon, check out Willett...

I've been there when they were making it, the only thing they fail to mention on their tours is that they use a modern reflux still in the stripping process before it's put in the pot still for the finish...
 
2014-07-28 01:15:44 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: FlashHarry: i'm a big whisk(e)y fan - but i've never tried canadian whisky. how does it compare to bourbon and scotch?

/I love my whiskey, and i have to tell you, from all i have tried, Crown Royal is right up there. Easy to drink, tasty, and goes down smooth without the coughing and choking.  Very nice, and if someone offers to buy me a bottle for birthday / christmas, i ask for Crown Royal.


Canadian whiskey is a good beginner's entry point (along with Irish whiskey). It lacks the strong flavors of Scotch, and it's not as sweet as bourbon.
 
2014-07-28 01:16:49 PM  

CeroX: Ok, let me clarify this a bit...

The product is DISTILLED at a factory distillery, but the batches are made and fermented by craft companies and the barrels are stored in the craft barrel houses...

As someone who has vested interest in this, and subscribes to Distiller Magazine, this is an industry this article isn't clear on...

So, if i want to start a Craft spirits company, I can do one of 2 things.

Come up with the MASSIVE capital to start a distillery (stills start at 50K and go up from there), and spend a few years getting clearance from the feds just to start distilling the product, wait 4 years while i'm not making ANY money, then bet it all on the hopes that the state alcohol board will approve my product to be sold...

OR

I contact a company like BSG Distilling and contract the actual distillation process to them while I make the Distiller's Beer (all the ingredients fermented but hasn't been distilled). I then ship the Distillers Beer to them for distillation, bypassing a shiat ton of federal regulations and oversight. They ship the distilled product back. I put the product in my barrels, and store it in my barrel house, and then I only have to deal with the state alcohol board to get the product approved for sale in the state...


That's fine; just don't pretend it's completely made locally in small batches.

Frankly, I don't really give a shiat how and where a product is made (any product), just the quality of said product, but outright lying in promo material is not cool.
 
2014-07-28 01:17:07 PM  

king_nacho: rooftop235: I recently met a guy who works at a distillery in Oklahoma. He said there are five brands of alcohol produced there. And i think he mentioned makers mark as one of the products.

Maker's Mark is still made in Kentucky. You can tell because the label states "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey". If it isn't made in Kentucky, then it cannot claim to be Kentucky Bourbon.

Doesn't mean it can't be bourbon, just means it can't be good bourbon.


That's funny... because one of the best bourbon's i've had is a craft product made in Columbus OH...

http://middlewestspirits.com/products/oyo-bourbon-whiskey/

Not THE best, but it's up there
 
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