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2014-07-28 12:26:41 PM  
Haha.
Here's how that will go:
"Everyone stop!"
Israel Stops
Someone in Gaza lobs a rocket into the desert near some settlement and blows up nothing
Israel resumes pouring RDX and white phosphorous on Gaza as fast as they can deliver it

They can't just SAY "we'll stop when everyone in the fence is dead" but that's the only way this actually ends.
 
2014-07-28 12:38:10 PM  

unlikely: Haha.
Here's how that will go:
"Everyone stop!"
Israel Stops
Someone in Gaza lobs a rocket into the desert near some settlement and blows up nothing
Israel resumes pouring RDX and white phosphorous on Gaza as fast as they can deliver it

They can't just SAY "we'll stop when everyone in the fence is dead" but that's the only way this actually ends.


You'd think Hamas would have learned something by now, but I guess their hatred drones out all common sense.  Whatever your opinion of the legitimacy of Israel or the current situation, the reality is that Israel will respond and will do so disproportionately.  They've demonstrated this with crystal clarity.  You don't have to like it, but that is what will happen when you launch rockets.  So why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot?  What have the rocket launches accomplished for their people?  What is the perceived benefit?

/no, I'm not defending Israel either, just saying it's pretty foolish to taunt the dynamite monkey
 
2014-07-28 12:38:56 PM  
Hamas will agree to a cease fire equal to the duration between rocket reloads.

So.....1 minute? That's double!
 
2014-07-28 12:57:58 PM  
The UN should convene a war crimes tribunal and indict both Netanyahu and Meshaal.

Arrest them both and take them to the Hague for a trial.
 
2014-07-28 01:24:58 PM  
UN Security Council wants a ceasefire that lasts more than 30 seconds.

The UN has sent a strongly worded letter to Israel and Hamas telling them to give it a rest for 5 minutes?

Yeah, that's not gonna work.

In other news the UN security council suddenly reminds me of an old ex-GF for some reason I can't quite put my finger on at the moment.
 
2014-07-28 01:26:54 PM  

quatchi: In other news the UN security council suddenly reminds me of an old ex-GF for some reason I can't quite put my finger on at the moment.


Neither one of them will respond to your drunken texts?
 
2014-07-28 01:42:49 PM  

vernonFL: The UN should convene a war crimes tribunal and indict both Netanyahu and Meshaal.

Arrest them both and take them to the Hague for a trial.


what better way to get 90% of the world get pissed at the UN and ultimately lead to the dissolution of the UN
 
2014-07-28 01:47:32 PM  

quatchi: UN Security Council wants a ceasefire that lasts more than 30 seconds.

The UN has sent a strongly worded letter to Israel and Hamas telling them to give it a rest for 5 minutes?

Yeah, that's not gonna work.

In other news the UN security council suddenly reminds me of an old ex-GF for some reason I can't quite put my finger on in at the moment.


FTFY
 
2014-07-28 02:27:27 PM  
Hamas needs to be brought to justice, but so does the Israeli cabinet. Both are more than happy to keep the hostilities up as long as it perpetuates the current situation. The current Israeli government does not want to negotiate a treaty and this is the perfect excuse. Hamas does not want to be marginalized by less-radical elements, and this is the perfect excuse.

We already have established that Hamas are terrorists and need to be brought to justice. Now we need to do the same thing with the Israeli government. Collective punishment of civilians is not okay, and not excusable. That is what the embargo represents, that is what this bombardment represents. Collective punishment.
 
2014-07-28 02:33:11 PM  
Here's another question:  Where the hell are these rockets coming from?  Smuggled in from Egypt?  I know crude rockets can be fashioned without much trouble, but you do need propellant and some explosive payload.  Israel controls the waters and the airspace of Gaza completely.  How are they not running out of rockets yet?
 
2014-07-28 02:44:53 PM  

vernonFL: The UN should convene a war crimes tribunal and indict both Netanyahu and Meshaal.

Arrest them both and take them to the Hague for a trial.


No deal unless they take Cheney too.
 
2014-07-28 02:46:15 PM  

nekom: Here's another question:  Where the hell are these rockets coming from?  Smuggled in from Egypt?  I know crude rockets can be fashioned without much trouble, but you do need propellant and some explosive payload.  Israel controls the waters and the airspace of Gaza completely.  How are they not running out of rockets yet?


The arabs aren't shedding any tears over both dead jews or dead palestinians.  Why should they?  They hate the jews and the palestinians are rabid mongrels that have shown in their past to be ust as happy blowing up arabs as well.
 
2014-07-28 02:49:43 PM  

nekom: unlikely: Haha.
Here's how that will go:
"Everyone stop!"
Israel Stops
Someone in Gaza lobs a rocket into the desert near some settlement and blows up nothing
Israel resumes pouring RDX and white phosphorous on Gaza as fast as they can deliver it

They can't just SAY "we'll stop when everyone in the fence is dead" but that's the only way this actually ends.

You'd think Hamas would have learned something by now, but I guess their hatred drones out all common sense.  Whatever your opinion of the legitimacy of Israel or the current situation, the reality is that Israel will respond and will do so disproportionately.  They've demonstrated this with crystal clarity.  You don't have to like it, but that is what will happen when you launch rockets.  So why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot?  What have the rocket launches accomplished for their people?  What is the perceived benefit?

/no, I'm not defending Israel either, just saying it's pretty foolish to taunt the dynamite monkey


Hamas learned long ago how to make martyrs of fellow Palestinians. I do to know how anyone would see this any other way.
 
2014-07-28 02:51:03 PM  

nekom: unlikely: Haha.
Here's how that will go:
"Everyone stop!"
Israel Stops
Someone in Gaza lobs a rocket into the desert near some settlement and blows up nothing
Israel resumes pouring RDX and white phosphorous on Gaza as fast as they can deliver it

They can't just SAY "we'll stop when everyone in the fence is dead" but that's the only way this actually ends.

You'd think Hamas would have learned something by now, but I guess their hatred drones out all common sense.  Whatever your opinion of the legitimacy of Israel or the current situation, the reality is that Israel will respond and will do so disproportionately.  They've demonstrated this with crystal clarity.  You don't have to like it, but that is what will happen when you launch rockets.  So why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot?  What have the rocket launches accomplished for their people?  What is the perceived benefit?

/no, I'm not defending Israel either, just saying it's pretty foolish to taunt the dynamite monkey


Hamas has an objectively - if horrifyingly - sound reason to continue: they're winning the 'war'.  Whether what they are accused of is true (organizing human shields, etc.), Israel is losing a lot of face throughout this, especially now that rumors are floating that Israel very much knew Hamas was not responsible for the kidnapping/slaying of those three Israelis, and hid this from the start.

Hamas's end game here is a loss of international support for the Israeli regime.  Whether it costs lives to get this, it's working, because the power is entirely in Israel's court.  Essentially Hamas is saying, "Here, bomb this group of innocents, look, here's a hospital for you to bomb, and here's some kids playing on a beach."  And every single time Israel is going ahead and greedily doing it.

That's not good for Israel, but they keep doing it.
 
2014-07-28 02:53:13 PM  
Message to Israel: Do whatever you want, but you deal with the consequences and don't ask for help.
 
2014-07-28 02:55:42 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Israel is losing a lot of face throughout this, especially now that rumors are floating that Israel very much knew Hamas was not responsible for the kidnapping/slaying of those three Israelis, and hid this from the start.


I haven't been following closely - who turned out to be responsible?
 
2014-07-28 02:57:18 PM  
It's the Holy Land!

because;

a.  it's full of holes.
b.  they're providing fresh souls to the blood king on a daily hourly basis.

/what a shiathole
 
2014-07-28 02:57:18 PM  
The fighting will go on until Hamas runs out of rockets. They will agree to a ceasefire, declare victory, and go back to amassing ordnance and diverting resources to build new tunnels that could actually be used to make the Gazans' lives better. In three years, when their ammo levels are sufficiently high. they will kidnap and murder some more Israeli teenagers, start shooting rockets again, and sacrifice another thousand civilians for propaganda purposes.

Oh, and here's the most blatant lie from that article:

"Khaled Mishal, Hamas's leader in exile, told PBS that Israel must end its occupation. 'We are not fanatics. We are not fundamentalists. We are not actually fighting the Jews because they are Jews per se. We do not fight any other races. We fight the occupiers,' he said."
 
2014-07-28 02:57:42 PM  

nekom: Here's another question:  Where the hell are these rockets coming from?  Smuggled in from Egypt?  I know crude rockets can be fashioned without much trouble, but you do need propellant and some explosive payload.  Israel controls the waters and the airspace of Gaza completely.  How are they not running out of rockets yet?


Smuggled yes, but not specifically from Egypt (they don't much like Hamas either). Egypt controls the Rafah crossing (Gaza's southern border), which has also been plagued by smuggling, especially after Israel turned control over it to Egypt in early 2008.

There are probably miles of tunnels to and under Gaza that Israel can only speculate on, beyond what they've already found.
 
2014-07-28 02:58:35 PM  
GoldSpider:
Hamas learned long ago how to make martyrs of fellow Palestinians. I do to know how anyone would see this any other way.

It seems that way, but why continue if nothing is getting any better?  If rocketing Israel were helping them in some way I could at least understand it.  They're just begging to be spanked by a much more powerful party who has demonstrated in no uncertain way that they are more than happy to spank them, and spank them hard.  I would think a good portion of the population would wise up by now that it's simply not working.  I guess generations of hatred are hard to escape.
 
2014-07-28 03:01:26 PM  
Do NOT send in American peacekeepers.

We are unconditionally supporting Israel and we do not need to send VOLUNTEERS into that mess to be blown up in their sleep by truck bombs.

Israel wants Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Have fun, baby. Hope you can hold on to it.
 
2014-07-28 03:02:31 PM  

Target Builder: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Israel is losing a lot of face throughout this, especially now that rumors are floating that Israel very much knew Hamas was not responsible for the kidnapping/slaying of those three Israelis, and hid this from the start.

I haven't been following closely - who turned out to be responsible?


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the- is raeli-teens-after-all.html

A vaguely related "lone cell", which seems a way of saying 'a random group of people'.  This should have been police action from the start instead of a bomberific assault.  But because Israel feels no duty to be responsible or nuanced in their actions, it was exterminate all the brutes.
 
2014-07-28 03:02:39 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Israel is losing a lot of face throughout this, especially now that rumors are floating that Israel very much knew Hamas was not responsible for the kidnapping/slaying of those three Israelis, and hid this from the start.


I did not know this. When did this come out? That would decimate their support since that was one of the initial reasons for bombing Gaza back into the Bronze age.
 
2014-07-28 03:05:09 PM  

somedude210: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Israel is losing a lot of face throughout this, especially now that rumors are floating that Israel very much knew Hamas was not responsible for the kidnapping/slaying of those three Israelis, and hid this from the start.

I did not know this. When did this come out? That would decimate their support since that was one of the initial reasons for bombing Gaza back into the Bronze age.


so... they upgraded?
 
2014-07-28 03:05:12 PM  

nekom: Here's another question:  Where the hell are these rockets coming from?  Smuggled in from Egypt?  I know crude rockets can be fashioned without much trouble, but you do need propellant and some explosive payload.  Israel controls the waters and the airspace of Gaza completely.  How are they not running out of rockets yet?


Fuel is a mixture of potassium nitrate and sugar (google sugar rockets), explosive payload is ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel.  The detonators are fashioned out of a 7.62 x 39mm rifle round, attached to a board with a nail in it and mounted backwards.  Fertilizers, fuel and basic foodstuffs are all shipped in as commerical goods.
 
2014-07-28 03:05:27 PM  

GoldSpider: nekom: unlikely: Haha.
Here's how that will go:
"Everyone stop!"
Israel Stops
Someone in Gaza lobs a rocket into the desert near some settlement and blows up nothing
Israel resumes pouring RDX and white phosphorous on Gaza as fast as they can deliver it

They can't just SAY "we'll stop when everyone in the fence is dead" but that's the only way this actually ends.

You'd think Hamas would have learned something by now, but I guess their hatred drones out all common sense.  Whatever your opinion of the legitimacy of Israel or the current situation, the reality is that Israel will respond and will do so disproportionately.  They've demonstrated this with crystal clarity.  You don't have to like it, but that is what will happen when you launch rockets.  So why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot?  What have the rocket launches accomplished for their people?  What is the perceived benefit?

/no, I'm not defending Israel either, just saying it's pretty foolish to taunt the dynamite monkey

Hamas learned long ago how to make martyrs of fellow Palestinians. I do to know how anyone would see this any other way.


They learned that Israel will continue to look like complete idiots in their obviously disproportional response and will capitalize on said idiocy?
 
2014-07-28 03:05:55 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Hamas was not responsible for the kidnapping/slaying of those three Israelis



Israeli air strikes were in response to rockets, not the kidnapping.

Hamas not being behind it doesn't mean the Hamas members that were arrested weren't involved.

I am not sure how this changes anybody's opinion.
 
2014-07-28 03:06:37 PM  

unlikely: Someone in Gaza lobs a rocket into the desert near some settlement and blows up nothing


They're asking for it.
 
2014-07-28 03:08:29 PM  

nekom: It seems that way, but why continue if nothing is getting any better? If rocketing Israel were helping them in some way I could at least understand it. They're just begging to be spanked by a much more powerful party who has demonstrated in no uncertain way that they are more than happy to spank them, and spank them hard. I would think a good portion of the population would wise up by now that it's simply not working. I guess generations of hatred are hard to escape


From a Hamas power perspective it is getting better.

The more farked up Gaza is the more reliant they are goignt o be in Gaza giving out aid.
 
2014-07-28 03:09:26 PM  

liam76: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Hamas was not responsible for the kidnapping/slaying of those three Israelis


Israeli air strikes were in response to rockets, not the kidnapping.

Hamas not being behind it doesn't mean the Hamas members that were arrested weren't involved.

I am not sure how this changes anybody's opinion.


You are missing a very, very vital step in the causality my friend, something that happens in the timeline before the Hamas rockets.  They did not randomly appear in the sky because it was a day ending in y.

The suggestion that Israeli governors and intelligence knew perfectly well that this wasn't Hamas, yet told their populace that it was, is incredibly important information that is being squelched by the American press.
 
2014-07-28 03:10:46 PM  
Oh, thank goodness the UN Security Council is throwing their weight around.  Things will get done now for sure!
 
2014-07-28 03:11:33 PM  

nekom: GoldSpider:
Hamas learned long ago how to make martyrs of fellow Palestinians. I do to know how anyone would see this any other way.

It seems that way, but why continue if nothing is getting any better?  If rocketing Israel were helping them in some way I could at least understand it.  They're just begging to be spanked by a much more powerful party who has demonstrated in no uncertain way that they are more than happy to spank them, and spank them hard.  I would think a good portion of the population would wise up by now that it's simply not working.  I guess generations of hatred are hard to escape.


Humans are irrational.  They will not submit.  If you back them into a corner with no hope they'll irrationally lash out even if it means hurting themselves.

Blockading Gaza into basically an economic prison gave a significant portion of the population "nothing to lose."  I'm not saying this absolves people of launching rockets or murdering or attempting to murder Israelis  It doesn't.  But it explains their actions.
 
2014-07-28 03:12:27 PM  
nekom: ...the reality is that Israel will respond and will do so disproportionately.  They've demonstrated this with crystal clarity.


So say we get in an argument and you shove me.  From what you said it sounds like it's okay, insofar as we should accept this outcome, if I take out a pistol and shoot you dead.  After all, that's what happens when you shove someone who has demonstrated a willingness to murder people at the slightest provocation.
 
2014-07-28 03:12:44 PM  

Alunan: We already have established that Hamas are terrorists and need to be brought to justice. Now we need to do the same thing with the Israeli government. Collective punishment of civilians is not okay, and not excusable. That is what the embargo represents, that is what this bombardment represents. Collective punishment.


We do not negotiate with terrorists.  Or anyone else who happens to be nearby.
 
2014-07-28 03:12:49 PM  
And Israel wants the UN to stop storing Hamas weapons in their buildings.

doesn't mean it is going to happen.
 
2014-07-28 03:14:02 PM  
Israel knew those teenagers were dead day two after the kidnapping, but withheld the information from the families and the general public for two weeks to ramp up anti-Arab sentiment.

How can we take anything the current Israeli government says at face value? It would appear they orchestrated the escalation.

There are two systems in Israel, the one where due-process is afforded to Israelis, and one where Palestinian homes are bulldozed whenever Israel feels like it. The embargo, the apartheid, the collective punishment. It is horrible system, an abomination.
 
2014-07-28 03:15:11 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: You are missing a very, very vital step in the causality my friend, something that happens in the timeline before the Hamas rockets. They did not randomly appear in the sky because it was a day ending in y.


Actually rockets had been coming in steadily from Gaza for the past couple years.

Gaza has actively been taking credit for them since Israel started invesitgating the kidnappings, but they were still before any Israeli incursions into Gaza.


Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The suggestion that Israeli governors and intelligence knew perfectly well that this wasn't Hamas, yet told their populace that it was, is incredibly important information that is being squelched by the American press


I have seent he suggestion floating around a lot. Don't see hwo it really changes anything substantial. Hamas still lauded the action, and they still fired rockets when Israel investigaited it.
 
2014-07-28 03:15:19 PM  

Alunan: Israel knew those teenagers were dead day two after the kidnapping, but withheld the information from the families and the general public for two weeks to ramp up anti-Arab sentiment.


citation?
 
2014-07-28 03:15:21 PM  

JK47: nekom: ...the reality is that Israel will respond and will do so disproportionately.  They've demonstrated this with crystal clarity.


So say we get in an argument and you shove me.  From what you said it sounds like it's okay, insofar as we should accept this outcome, if I take out a pistol and shoot you dead.  After all, that's what happens when you shove someone who has demonstrated a willingness to murder people at the slightest provocation.


Is it any wonder why the right wing seems to support Israel more?  That situation sounds like a right-wing nutball's wet dream.
 
2014-07-28 03:15:51 PM  

SlothB77: And Israel wants the UN to stop storing Hamas weapons in their buildings.

doesn't mean it is going to happen.


Not even Israel is making that claim. They are claiming the shell was their's and it the courtyard, but that it couldn't possibly have caused any damage...

Your accusation is unfounded, your bias is clear, you need to stop. You are an abomination of a human being, and that's not okay.
 
2014-07-28 03:17:18 PM  

JK47: nekom: ...the reality is that Israel will respond and will do so disproportionately.  They've demonstrated this with crystal clarity.


So say we get in an argument and you shove me.  From what you said it sounds like it's okay, insofar as we should accept this outcome, if I take out a pistol and shoot you dead.  After all, that's what happens when you shove someone who has demonstrated a willingness to murder people at the slightest provocation.


I never said it was morally right, just that it IS the reality of the situation.  If I saw somebody shove a person and that person shot them dead, I wouldn't think it a good idea to try my own luck at shoving them.  I'm just saying it's sheer lunacy to provoke Israel knowing full well they are going to make you pay for it.
 
2014-07-28 03:17:52 PM  

liam76: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: You are missing a very, very vital step in the causality my friend, something that happens in the timeline before the Hamas rockets. They did not randomly appear in the sky because it was a day ending in y.

Actually rockets had been coming in steadily from Gaza for the past couple years.

Gaza has actively been taking credit for them since Israel started invesitgating the kidnappings, but they were still before any Israeli incursions into Gaza.


Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The suggestion that Israeli governors and intelligence knew perfectly well that this wasn't Hamas, yet told their populace that it was, is incredibly important information that is being squelched by the American press

I have seent he suggestion floating around a lot. Don't see hwo it really changes anything substantial. Hamas still lauded the action, and they still fired rockets when Israel investigaited it.


I'll just put you down as blinkered.

Honestly, if you don't see how hiding the responsibility for a few murders, instead pinning them on a massive population, and then bombing that population in fingering them for the deed, isn't somehow important, then you're willfully obtuse.  That's all I have to say.
 
2014-07-28 03:18:14 PM  

SlothB77: And Israel wants the UN to stop storing Hamas weapons in their buildings.

doesn't mean it is going to happen.


Someone had to fill in for Tats and I'm glad it's you.
 
2014-07-28 03:18:15 PM  

somedude210: Alunan: Israel knew those teenagers were dead day two after the kidnapping, but withheld the information from the families and the general public for two weeks to ramp up anti-Arab sentiment.

citation?


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the- is raeli-teens-after-all.html
 
2014-07-28 03:21:04 PM  
And:  http://www.dailydot.com/politics/israel-gaza-kidnap-false-inaccurate/

So why is it okay again to bulldoze the homes of Palestinian suspects, and execute ten of them, even though it turned out they weren't involved.

But when three Israelis confess to burning a Palestinian alive, they are afforded the full fruits of due-process?

Is there a word for that? One that start with an A maybe?
 
2014-07-28 03:21:39 PM  

nekom: You'd think Hamas would have learned something by now, but I guess their hatred drones out all common sense. Whatever your opinion of the legitimacy of Israel or the current situation, the reality is that Israel will respond and will do so disproportionately. They've demonstrated this with crystal clarity. You don't have to like it, but that is what will happen when you launch rockets. So why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot? What have the rocket launches accomplished for their people? What is the perceived benefit?


"If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected. "

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-28 03:24:04 PM  

nekom: JK47: nekom: ...the reality is that Israel will respond and will do so disproportionately.  They've demonstrated this with crystal clarity.


So say we get in an argument and you shove me.  From what you said it sounds like it's okay, insofar as we should accept this outcome, if I take out a pistol and shoot you dead.  After all, that's what happens when you shove someone who has demonstrated a willingness to murder people at the slightest provocation.

I never said it was morally right, just that it IS the reality of the situation.  If I saw somebody shove a person and that person shot them dead, I wouldn't think it a good idea to try my own luck at shoving them.  I'm just saying it's sheer lunacy to provoke Israel knowing full well they are going to make you pay for it.


Also: why would you dress like a slut when rapists exist?  You know rapists will not be able to control themselves and abduct and rape you so why would you try your luck trying to dress slutty?

And by slutty I mean leaving the house without your burka.
 
2014-07-28 03:24:09 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Honestly, if you don't see how hiding the responsibility for a few murders, instead pinning them on a massive population, and then bombing that population in fingering them for the deed, isn't somehow important, then you're willfully obtuse.


Yeah, that didn't happen.

Israel made raids in the WB when investigaitingt hekidnapping. Hamas started firing rockets from Gaza because of this. After 8 days of them firing rockets then they went after the launchers/rockets. They didn't start randomly bombing Gaza in response to the kidnapping and you have to be very dishonest to phrase it as such.
 
2014-07-28 03:27:27 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GoldSpider: nekom: unlikely: Haha.
Here's how that will go:
"Everyone stop!"
Israel Stops
Someone in Gaza lobs a rocket into the desert near some settlement and blows up nothing
Israel resumes pouring RDX and white phosphorous on Gaza as fast as they can deliver it

They can't just SAY "we'll stop when everyone in the fence is dead" but that's the only way this actually ends.

You'd think Hamas would have learned something by now, but I guess their hatred drones out all common sense.  Whatever your opinion of the legitimacy of Israel or the current situation, the reality is that Israel will respond and will do so disproportionately.  They've demonstrated this with crystal clarity.  You don't have to like it, but that is what will happen when you launch rockets.  So why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot?  What have the rocket launches accomplished for their people?  What is the perceived benefit?

/no, I'm not defending Israel either, just saying it's pretty foolish to taunt the dynamite monkey

Hamas learned long ago how to make martyrs of fellow Palestinians. I do to know how anyone would see this any other way.

They learned that Israel will continue to look like complete idiots in their obviously disproportional response and will capitalize on said idiocy?


Where did this expectation of "proportional response" come from?

I'm not saying it's smart policy, or one that is likely to solve anything with Hamas, because it's not and it won't.
 
2014-07-28 03:27:38 PM  

liam76: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Honestly, if you don't see how hiding the responsibility for a few murders, instead pinning them on a massive population, and then bombing that population in fingering them for the deed, isn't somehow important, then you're willfully obtuse.

Yeah, that didn't happen.

Israel made raids in the WB when investigaitingt hekidnapping. Hamas started firing rockets from Gaza because of this. After 8 days of them firing rockets then they went after the launchers/rockets. They didn't start randomly bombing Gaza in response to the kidnapping and you have to be very dishonest to phrase it as such.


What a brilliant use of a word.  It's like 'pacification' or 'exfoliation' in the Vietnam War.  It certainly makes things sound cheery, by the book, even friendly, like Colombo or McGruff the Crime Dog is walking around in a trench coat and talking with the children instead of houses getting leveled right and left.

What a joke.
 
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