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2014-07-28 08:09:36 AM  
That right there is funny
 
2014-07-28 09:34:55 AM  
FTFA:   President Barack Obama made hay out of the line in June, slamming politicians who use it for failing to curb the harmful effects of carbon emissions.
"Let me translate," he said in drought-stricken California. "What that means is, 'I accept that man-made climate change is real, but if I admit it, I'll be run out of town by a radical fringe that thinks climate science is a liberal plot.'"


You mean, it's not?

*adjusts tinfoil hat*
 
2014-07-28 09:51:48 AM  
But they don't know any scientist.
 
2014-07-28 09:52:34 AM  
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2014-07-28 09:54:32 AM  
The whole thing about climate change is similar to the issues that we had with leaded gasoline. Folks lined up for years to say, "Hey, environmental lead is just there, man" to "lead has never been proven to cause health problems" to "but it will bankrupt the auto industry." And it took nearly two generations to prove that lead levels were not only rising, but actually dangerous beyond a doubt. In the meantime, a lot of folks got ill, a lot of damage was done, and in reversing the trends, we've seen solid benefits beyond, and the auto industry has NOT collapsed, and neither has fuel production. Changed? Yup.

Science is NOT united to the tipping point where climate change is going to be an issue that will cause catastrophic change. Even if we limit CFCs and other issues, we're still going to have to look at simple heat pollution. With billions of humans, and more on the way, there will be a point where just the heat that our industry creates is going to be an issue. Population control and how we produce items, and how we use said technologies will have to adapt. And at some point, we need to look beyond just this blue marble, if we are going to keep breeding like we are. That, or we're going to have to look at limiting our population. We cannot continue at this pace, with increasing resource use and the rate of population growth. This isn't just a US issue. With more and more folks industrializing, and wanting the things that come with the lifestyle, it creates a burden that the planet cannot bear, not with current population trends.
 
2014-07-28 10:13:06 AM  
WHY ISN'T THIS THE STANDARD RESPONSE TO CLIMATE DENIERS EVERY TIME?
 
2014-07-28 10:14:23 AM  
I don't know anything about science, but I'm damn sure not going to talk to a scientist to explain my ignorance of a subject.
This is 'Murrica goddammit!
 
2014-07-28 10:15:48 AM  
Why, some of my best friends are scientologists!
 
2014-07-28 10:16:11 AM  
I just signed up to volunteer for Crist's campaign. Gov. Voldemort can suck it.
 
2014-07-28 10:17:31 AM  
Science, like language, is a liberal conspiracy.
 
2014-07-28 10:17:32 AM  

God's Hubris: I don't know anything about science, but I'm damn sure not going to talk to a scientist to explain my ignorance of a subject.
This is 'Murrica goddammit!


Exactly.  Who trusts those eggheads anyways?  They're just in it for those cushy research jobs.
 
2014-07-28 10:18:35 AM  

TwoBeersOneCan: WHY ISN'T THIS THE STANDARD RESPONSE TO CLIMATE DENIERS EVERY TIME?



Like the Iraq War, the script changes daily. I'd rather be on the offensive in the climate change "debate," like using children's illustrations to demonstrate the problem to the Right.
 
2014-07-28 10:18:53 AM  

DeaH: But they don't know any scientist.


They usually do know a scientist actually.

The problem is that all of GOP knows just the one scientist who doesn't believe in climate change. And, because 100% of scientists don't agree, there is no scientific consensus.

This is what they believe.
 
2014-07-28 10:21:36 AM  
Waiting for the Fark Independents' call for a rolling coal protest around Crist's campaign headquarters.
 
2014-07-28 10:21:45 AM  

unyon: God's Hubris: I don't know anything about science, but I'm damn sure not going to talk to a scientist to explain my ignorance of a subject.
This is 'Murrica goddammit!

Exactly.  Who trusts those eggheads anyways?  They're just in it for those cushy research jobs.



CSB: my son said he was going to be a paleontologist when he grows up. When I asked him if he liked studying dinosaurs, he said not really, but he's looking forward to the millions of dollars in government grant money to sit in the desert sun for hours at a time.
That's my boy! He learned about the liberal agenda of suckling at the government teat from his old man. *toussles his hair*
 
2014-07-28 10:22:19 AM  
I'm actually surprised that Florida hasn't taken the lead on climate change, seeing as how their entire economy is based on coastal tourism. You'd figure rising tide levels would be a pretty big deal for them.
 
2014-07-28 10:25:58 AM  

FnkyTwn: I'm actually surprised that Florida hasn't taken the lead on climate change, seeing as how their entire economy is based on coastal tourism. You'd figure rising tide levels would be a pretty big deal for them.



So, you're saying you're surprised Florida hasn't reached an intelligent non-partisan decision about their economic health?
New to FARK?
 
2014-07-28 10:27:18 AM  
In fairness, I think Obama wins this one by summarizing the Tea Party as "a radical fringe that thinks climate science is a liberal plot."  Both 100% accurate and pretty funny.

hubiestubert: and the auto industry has NOT collapsed


Um... you skip your Alzheimer's medication, there, buddy?

Admittedly, I wouldn't be inclined to blame leading gasoline to reduce knocking issues at the fuel end for it, but the point where we started cracking down on pollution issues does actually kind of (mostly coincidentally) correspond to the US auto industry starting into its now-perennial state-subsidized death spiral of in-and-out bankruptcies and so on.

I mean, the fact that you can type that without breaking something in your brain permanently and still being able to click add comment tells me pretty firmly that you haven't been anywhere near detroit in the last few decades.
 
2014-07-28 10:28:41 AM  

FnkyTwn: I'm actually surprised that Florida hasn't taken the lead on climate change, seeing as how their entire economy is based on coastal tourism. You'd figure rising tide levels would be a pretty big deal for them.


Our state government is 100% dominated by Republicans.  To deal with the issue responsibly. they would have to:

1. Acknowledge that there's a problem
2. Acknowledge that the problem is human-caused, and therefore is reversible.
3. Spend tax money on solutions/mitigation.

Pretty much doing even one of those is a political death sentence for a GOPer.

And besides, as long as Disney World is still safe and accessible, there's still tourism to be had.
 
2014-07-28 10:32:41 AM  

hubiestubert: The whole thing about climate change is similar to the issues that we had with leaded gasoline. Folks lined up for years to say, "Hey, environmental lead is just there, man" to "lead has never been proven to cause health problems" to "but it will bankrupt the auto industry." And it took nearly two generations to prove that lead levels were not only rising, but actually dangerous beyond a doubt. In the meantime, a lot of folks got ill, a lot of damage was done, and in reversing the trends, we've seen solid benefits beyond, and the auto industry has NOT collapsed, and neither has fuel production. Changed? Yup.

Science is NOT united to the tipping point where climate change is going to be an issue that will cause catastrophic change. Even if we limit CFCs and other issues, we're still going to have to look at simple heat pollution. With billions of humans, and more on the way, there will be a point where just the heat that our industry creates is going to be an issue. Population control and how we produce items, and how we use said technologies will have to adapt. And at some point, we need to look beyond just this blue marble, if we are going to keep breeding like we are. That, or we're going to have to look at limiting our population. We cannot continue at this pace, with increasing resource use and the rate of population growth. This isn't just a US issue. With more and more folks industrializing, and wanting the things that come with the lifestyle, it creates a burden that the planet cannot bear, not with current population trends.


I grew up in a city with a lot of cars pumping out leaded fumes, and me and my friends used to run through the mist from the mosquito control trucks. I have my defense all planned.
 
2014-07-28 10:34:03 AM  

Jim_Callahan: In fairness, I think Obama wins this one by summarizing the Tea Party as "a radical fringe that thinks climate science is a liberal plot."  Both 100% accurate and pretty funny.

hubiestubert: and the auto industry has NOT collapsed

Um... you skip your Alzheimer's medication, there, buddy?

Admittedly, I wouldn't be inclined to blame leading gasoline to reduce knocking issues at the fuel end for it, but the point where we started cracking down on pollution issues does actually kind of (mostly coincidentally) correspond to the US auto industry starting into its now-perennial state-subsidized death spiral of in-and-out bankruptcies and so on.

I mean, the fact that you can type that without breaking something in your brain permanently and still being able to click add comment tells me pretty firmly that you haven't been anywhere near detroit in the last few decades.



Point of Order: Any collapse by US Auto companies is not the result of regulations, as Hubie was stating, but by incompetence by their executives, failure to give the market what it needs, plowing full-steam ahead with giving the market what it thinks it wants without regard to economic success (see: Hummer), and failure to stay ahead of European and Asian productivity and engineering.
 
2014-07-28 10:35:06 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: I have my defense all planned.



This one sentence could undermine your entire defense.
 
2014-07-28 10:35:15 AM  
The right: "I'm not qualified to debate the science, but I am qualified to hamstring the EPA and handout corporate subsidies in order to please my energy industry masters, and use coded language about libby lib conspiracies to camoflauge my graft."
 
2014-07-28 10:37:20 AM  
John Boehner, Rick Scott:  "not qualified to debate the science over climate change."

The Dems do good to call shenanigans whenever Republicans try that lame cop out.

Also... fixed!
 
2014-07-28 10:38:52 AM  

Lord_Baull: unyon: God's Hubris: I don't know anything about science, but I'm damn sure not going to talk to a scientist to explain my ignorance of a subject.
This is 'Murrica goddammit!

Exactly.  Who trusts those eggheads anyways?  They're just in it for those cushy research jobs.


CSB: my son said he was going to be a paleontologist when he grows up. When I asked him if he liked studying dinosaurs, he said not really, but he's looking forward to the millions of dollars in government grant money to sit in the desert sun for hours at a time.
That's my boy! He learned about the liberal agenda of suckling at the government teat from his old man. *toussles his hair*


You let your son fall for that old liberal canard that dinosaurs really existed?  Heretic.

/also, is it possible to toussle anything other than hair?
 
2014-07-28 10:39:12 AM  

wxboy: FnkyTwn: I'm actually surprised that Florida hasn't taken the lead on climate change, seeing as how their entire economy is based on coastal tourism. You'd figure rising tide levels would be a pretty big deal for them.

Our state government is 100% dominated by Republicans.  To deal with the issue responsibly. they would have to:

1. Acknowledge that there's a problem
2. Acknowledge that the problem is human-caused, and therefore is reversible.
3. Spend tax money on solutions/mitigation.
4. Conquer and enslave the rest of the world and force them to do our bidding.

Pretty much doing even one of those is a political death sentence for a GOPer.

And besides, as long as Disney World is still safe and accessible, there's still tourism to be had.


You forgot #4.
 
2014-07-28 10:39:14 AM  

wxboy: FnkyTwn: I'm actually surprised that Florida hasn't taken the lead on climate change, seeing as how their entire economy is based on coastal tourism. You'd figure rising tide levels would be a pretty big deal for them.

Our state government is 100% dominated by Republicans.  To deal with the issue responsibly. they would have to:

1. Acknowledge that there's a problem
2. Acknowledge that the problem is human-caused, and therefore is reversible.
3. Spend tax money on solutions/mitigation.

Pretty much doing even one of those is a political death sentence for a GOPer.

And besides, as long as Disney World is still safe and accessible, there's still tourism to be had.


And once WDW is beachfront property, hotel prices can go up even further!
 
2014-07-28 10:39:31 AM  

Jim_Callahan: In fairness, I think Obama wins this one by summarizing the Tea Party as "a radical fringe that thinks climate science is a liberal plot."  Both 100% accurate and pretty funny.

hubiestubert: and the auto industry has NOT collapsed

Um... you skip your Alzheimer's medication, there, buddy?

Admittedly, I wouldn't be inclined to blame leading gasoline to reduce knocking issues at the fuel end for it, but the point where we started cracking down on pollution issues does actually kind of (mostly coincidentally) correspond to the US auto industry starting into its now-perennial state-subsidized death spiral of in-and-out bankruptcies and so on.

I mean, the fact that you can type that without breaking something in your brain permanently and still being able to click add comment tells me pretty firmly that you haven't been anywhere near detroit in the last few decades.


The problems with Detroit have everything to do with their business models, and inability to compete with foreign models. Their insistence on using a crowbar on every problem, and inability to see market trends, that is what has put the US auto industry in trouble. And you acknowledge that the issues that the US auto makers face hasn't much to do with fuel. So, really the problem is one of US business models and a lack of market awareness and endemic non-reactivity. Unleaded gasoline was not the cause of their woes. Their inability to think beyond "this is how we've always done things" and some really odd investment structures, and compensation packages for idiots as their model is more to the point.

Or would you like to argue that since literacy rates have risen, there has been likewise an adverse effect on the US auto industry as well? Or that with the rise of gay rights after Stonewall, that Detroit has suffered from the homoghey agenda? You already admit that it's a coincidental correspondence, so I'll assume that you have another point...
 
2014-07-28 10:42:11 AM  

kidgenius: DeaH: But they don't know any scientist.

They usually do know a scientist actually.

The problem is that all of GOP knows just the one scientist who doesn't believe in climate change. And, because 100% of scientists don't agree, there is no scientific consensus.

This is what they believe.


Yes, but podiatrists really don't count as scientists when it comes to climate change.
 
2014-07-28 10:43:04 AM  

unyon: Lord_Baull: unyon: God's Hubris: I don't know anything about science, but I'm damn sure not going to talk to a scientist to explain my ignorance of a subject.
This is 'Murrica goddammit!

Exactly.  Who trusts those eggheads anyways?  They're just in it for those cushy research jobs.


CSB: my son said he was going to be a paleontologist when he grows up. When I asked him if he liked studying dinosaurs, he said not really, but he's looking forward to the millions of dollars in government grant money to sit in the desert sun for hours at a time.
That's my boy! He learned about the liberal agenda of suckling at the government teat from his old man. *toussles his hair*

You let your son fall for that old liberal canard that dinosaurs really existed?  Heretic.

/also, is it possible to toussle anything other than hair?


You wanna toussel my hair? Howzabout I TOUSSEL YOUR FACE!!!!!
 
2014-07-28 10:43:47 AM  

hubiestubert: The whole thing about climate change is similar to the issues that we had with leaded gasoline. Folks lined up for years to say, "Hey, environmental lead is just there, man" to "lead has never been proven to cause health problems" to "but it will bankrupt the auto industry." And it took nearly two generations to prove that lead levels were not only rising, but actually dangerous beyond a doubt. In the meantime, a lot of folks got ill, a lot of damage was done, and in reversing the trends, we've seen solid benefits beyond, and the auto industry has NOT collapsed, and neither has fuel production. Changed? Yup.


The difference is, unlike lead levels in the environment, climate change doesn't reverse once we stop doing whatever it is that exacerbate it.
 
2014-07-28 10:44:08 AM  
"I'm not a scientist."

No but you are a policy maker so either get informed or step aside.
 
2014-07-28 10:44:27 AM  

hubiestubert: The whole thing about climate change is similar to the issues that we had with leaded gasoline. Folks lined up for years to say, "Hey, environmental lead is just there, man" to "lead has never been proven to cause health problems" to "but it will bankrupt the auto industry." And it took nearly two generations to prove that lead levels were not only rising, but actually dangerous beyond a doubt. In the meantime, a lot of folks got ill, a lot of damage was done, and in reversing the trends, we've seen solid benefits beyond, and the auto industry has NOT collapsed, and neither has fuel production. Changed? Yup.


They used the same basic points ("no proven benefit, the science is still out" and "it will bankrupt the industry") about seat belts, too.  Friggin' mandatory seat belts.  It was about "liberty" and "choice" and "nanny state" and "jerbs" for that, too.  I imagine that even a large percentage of The Base uses seat belts today; the only people who don't use seat belts are either willful and rebellious (and they look at red lights about the same way as seat belts), or they cling to one of those "my sister's friend's aunt got thrown outta her car an' lived, an' the car done blowed up an' burned, so I ain't wearin' no seat belt" stories.

Post-WWII America looks at the car as the embodiment of every American ideal.  In fact, many of us really don't see any ideal outside of that.  FBI is checking my library records?  Who cares!  NSA trawling every phone call and email?  Big deal!  Red light cameras? GUBBMINT GREED.  They want to put a device in my car that will record speed, acceleration, brakes for the last 90 seconds?  ZOMG TYRANNY POLICE STATE.  "Climate change" to them means nothing more than "they wanna tell me how big my pickup can be" and this is equivalent to Germany bombing the Alamo.
 
2014-07-28 10:45:44 AM  

somedude210: That right there is funny


did you seriously just give yourself props for your own headline
 
2014-07-28 10:46:39 AM  

unyon: /also, is it possible to toussle anything other than hair?



Laundry? Sheep's wool? Bed sheets?
 
2014-07-28 10:48:42 AM  
(To be clear, by "mandatory" seat belts, I mean way back when it was just mandatory that they were installed, not mandatory that they be used.)
 
2014-07-28 10:50:38 AM  

unyon: God's Hubris: I don't know anything about science, but I'm damn sure not going to talk to a scientist to explain my ignorance of a subject.
This is 'Murrica goddammit!

Exactly.  Who trusts those eggheads anyways?  They're just in it for those cushy research jobs.


"And I don't want to talk to a scientist, y'all motherf*ckers lying, and getting me pissed" - ICP  GOP

/The G stands for Giuggalo
 
2014-07-28 10:53:35 AM  

Lord_Baull: unyon: /also, is it possible to toussle anything other than hair?


Laundry? Sheep's wool? Bed sheets?


I tousle only hair and spangle only banners.

/only one "s" required
 
2014-07-28 10:54:20 AM  
Sure, the age I FB the Earth IS one of life's feet mysteries. That is if you want it down to the exact year and/or day...
 
2014-07-28 10:54:48 AM  
More importantly he can dismiss science for what feels right.
 
2014-07-28 11:00:41 AM  

stamped human bacon: /only one "s" required



You sound like a liberal.
 
2014-07-28 11:04:57 AM  

FnkyTwn: I'm actually surprised that Florida hasn't taken the lead on climate change, seeing as how their entire economy is based on coastal tourism. You'd figure rising tide levels would be a pretty big deal for them.


The approach is to deny there is a problem until it can't be denied any more, and then squeal, squeal, squeal for federal dollars to build walls, dikes, and flood barriers.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-07-28 11:05:27 AM  
Scary.  They all look like this.

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2014-07-28 11:06:53 AM  

Lord_Baull: FnkyTwn: I'm actually surprised that Florida hasn't taken the lead on climate change, seeing as how their entire economy is based on coastal tourism. You'd figure rising tide levels would be a pretty big deal for them.


So, you're saying you're surprised Florida hasn't reached an intelligent non-partisan decision about their economic health?
New to FARK?


In fairness, South Florida actually is kind of taking the lead on policies to address climate change, at least in the US, with a politically bipartisan group across something like 5 counties in southern FL: http://southeastfloridaclimatecompact.org/
They've been around since 2010, too. So, it's something.
 
2014-07-28 11:11:33 AM  
Lord_Baull:
CSB: my son said he was going to be a paleontologist when he grows up. When I asked him if he liked studying dinosaurs, he said not really, but he's looking forward to the millions of dollars in government grant money to sit in the desert sun for hours at a time.
That's my boy! He learned about the liberal agenda of suckling at the government teat from his old man. *toussles his hair*


Bless your heart.
 
2014-07-28 11:14:43 AM  

Jackson Herring: somedude210: That right there is funny

did you seriously just give yourself props for your own headline


no, the comment by Crist, not the headline. I realized afterwards I should've clarified, oh well
 
2014-07-28 11:15:08 AM  

Lord_Baull: CSB: my son said he was going to be a paleontologist when he grows up. When I asked him if he liked studying dinosaurs, he said not really, but he's looking forward to the millions of dollars in government grant money to sit in the desert sun for hours at a time.
That's my boy! He learned about the liberal agenda of suckling at the government teat from his old man. *toussles his hair*


Tell him to look forward to underemployment and a $300,000+ education-related loan that he will default on several times over the course of 30 or 40 years.
 
2014-07-28 11:17:54 AM  

Jim_Callahan: In fairness, I think Obama wins this one by summarizing the Tea Party as "a radical fringe that thinks climate science is a liberal plot."  Both 100% accurate and pretty funny.

hubiestubert: and the auto industry has NOT collapsed

Um... you skip your Alzheimer's medication, there, buddy?

Admittedly, I wouldn't be inclined to blame leading gasoline to reduce knocking issues at the fuel end for it, but the point where we started cracking down on pollution issues does actually kind of (mostly coincidentally) correspond to the US auto industry starting into its now-perennial state-subsidized death spiral of in-and-out bankruptcies and so on.

I mean, the fact that you can type that without breaking something in your brain permanently and still being able to click add comment tells me pretty firmly that you haven't been anywhere near detroit in the last few decades.


UNLEADING CAUSED THE AUTO INDUSTRY COLLAPSE!!!!!

...my GOD, man. Do you actually believe this? Can you find a single person or expert worthy of note in the entire human race who has argued the same thing?? That the transition to unleaded gasoline killed the American car industry??!? That claim just bleeds so much stupid, I can't believe I'm reading it outside FreeRepublic. Good freaking Lord.
 
2014-07-28 11:18:00 AM  

RexTalionis: Lord_Baull: CSB: my son said he was going to be a paleontologist when he grows up. When I asked him if he liked studying dinosaurs, he said not really, but he's looking forward to the millions of dollars in government grant money to sit in the desert sun for hours at a time.
That's my boy! He learned about the liberal agenda of suckling at the government teat from his old man. *toussles his hair*

Tell him to look forward to underemployment and a $300,000+ education-related loan that he will default on several times over the course of 30 or 40 years.



I'm pretty sure Obama will take care of his student loans.
 
2014-07-28 11:19:00 AM  
Kibbler:

They used the same basic points ("no proven benefit, the science is still out" and "it will bankrupt the industry") about seat belts, too. Friggin' mandatory seat belts. It was about "liberty" and "choice" and "nanny state" and "jerbs" for that, too.

Or tobacco causing cancer, or the link between CFCs and ozone depletion, or the link between asbestos and cancer or...

It's often the same FUD factories institutes doing it too, since they have a proven track record. For example The American Enterprise Institute started out as a P.O. box just outside of Washington DC that pumped out white papers casting doubt on tobacco's effects, went on to BSing about CFCs, and then really hit their stride when Stephen Milloy got a gig with Fox News doing his "Junk Science" column about ACC.

Note that the economy has not crashed over asbestos, CFCs, MTBE gasoline, tobacco, so on and so forth. And yet every damn time they claim it will. Scientists bad, industry talking heads good.
 
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