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(Politico)   Ohio Governor Ted Strickland lived off of minimum wage last week to see if he could do it. He could not. This is his story   (politico.com ) divider line 179
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2014-07-28 08:37:46 AM  
Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.
 
2014-07-28 08:41:29 AM  
Good to see he landed on his feet after gambling, drinking and whoring away the propane business.
 
2014-07-28 08:51:36 AM  
I couldn't possibly live on minimum wage.  If my options were a minimum wage job or welfare, I'd go with welfare.  I could make up the difference running scrap metal and not paying taxes on it.
 
2014-07-28 08:57:34 AM  
He should have worked harder
 
2014-07-28 09:05:54 AM  

BunkoSquad: He should have worked harder


"Work smarter not harder"
pm4id.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-28 09:20:06 AM  
No, jackass, that doesn't remotely count. The poor don't "get" to live on minimum wage. They get to work 60-80 hours a week, and live in overcrowded apartments. Wondering if the next doctor visit or car problem will get them evicted. Get back to me when you actually live like the poor. In their neighborhoods, driving a 15 year old beater to get to your two jobs. Without health insurance because the d**kwads who run the state you live in decided to screw you over to score political points against the blah man.
 
2014-07-28 09:25:18 AM  
CHUNG CHUNG
 
2014-07-28 09:28:55 AM  

Serious Black: Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.


Sure, but it's a start; and it puts the issue in the spotlight...even if for just a bit.

Side note:  bet you'd never see an (R) do a stunt like this...
 
2014-07-28 09:31:35 AM  

xanadian: CHUNG CHUNG


it's *DUN DUN* you pathetic putz
 
2014-07-28 09:53:19 AM  
Stickland is the former governor of Ohio. The current one would never try this.
 
2014-07-28 09:56:14 AM  

xanadian: Serious Black: Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.

Sure, but it's a start; and it puts the issue in the spotlight...even if for just a bit.

Side note:   bet you'd never see an (R) do a stunt like this...


Apparently, one of Steve Stockman's aides did the SNAP challenge a year ago to prove that SNAP could be cut by 10% right away, and he bragged that he did so well that he is the "Undisputed SNAP Challenge Champion."
 
2014-07-28 10:04:55 AM  

Serious Black: xanadian: Serious Black: Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.

Sure, but it's a start; and it puts the issue in the spotlight...even if for just a bit.

Side note:   bet you'd never see an (R) do a stunt like this...

Apparently, one of Steve Stockman's aides did the SNAP challenge a year ago to prove that SNAP could be cut by 10% right away, and he bragged that he did so well that he is the "Undisputed SNAP Challenge Champion."


So the republican did try it, got the message totally wrong, then lied about what happened.

Math checks out.
 
2014-07-28 10:05:07 AM  
This reminds me of a documentary I saw called Soul Man.
 
2014-07-28 10:05:43 AM  
In before Republican "you arent supposed to live on min. wage, use ur bootstraps" troll
 
2014-07-28 10:08:59 AM  
One whole week?

Why I bet his stools shrunk to next to nothing, the poor thing.
 
2014-07-28 10:09:17 AM  
What?

There's math in this thread?

Son of a biatch!
 
2014-07-28 10:09:35 AM  

Tigger: Serious Black: xanadian: Serious Black: Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.

Sure, but it's a start; and it puts the issue in the spotlight...even if for just a bit.

Side note:   bet you'd never see an (R) do a stunt like this...

Apparently, one of Steve Stockman's aides did the SNAP challenge a year ago to prove that SNAP could be cut by 10% right away, and he bragged that he did so well that he is the "Undisputed SNAP Challenge Champion."

So the republican did try it, got the message totally wrong, then lied about what happened.

Math checks out.


I know. I was floored too. I mean, Republicans are well known for exhibiting high levels of empathy for the indigent and if I keep knowingly making false statements like that, God is going to smite me.
 
2014-07-28 10:11:42 AM  
www.roadfood.com

Gosh, hope he doesn't have to sell his ice cream stand!

/little in-joke for my fellow dumb Ohio heads
 
2014-07-28 10:13:51 AM  

Serious Black: Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.


The biggest thing isn't that anyone needs to flip that switch at the end of 'x days playing poor' trials. It is that the mere knowledge that they can completely removes the psychological hurdle. On top of that most of the folks doing it know, or believe, they will get far more out of the x days than minimum wage: they get to write their book, get their publicity, etc. So what they are doing is merely a delayed reward.

Now honestly poor people WOULD do a hell of a lot better through superior decision making: deny consumption pleasures like alcohol or dining out, definitely no smoking or drug use, no cable tv, living in smaller places shared with more people, working more hours if possible. But we ask them to do that to claw and scrape up a savings when they know they are still one illness or car wreck from square one. That has to be farking tough.

I did a lot of those things to get through college without leftover student loans. It is doable. It is miserable too, and I only made it because I knew I always had a safety net with my parents. I never had to ask for their money, but the mere fact I could made a big difference.
 
2014-07-28 10:14:30 AM  

Serious Black: xanadian: Serious Black: Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.

Sure, but it's a start; and it puts the issue in the spotlight...even if for just a bit.

Side note:   bet you'd never see an (R) do a stunt like this...

Apparently, one of Steve Stockman's aides did the SNAP challenge a year ago to prove that SNAP could be cut by 10% right away, and he bragged that he did so well that he is the "Undisputed SNAP Challenge Champion."


So what you're saying is people who do experiments with no scientific discipline get results that reinforce their personal beliefs?!
 
2014-07-28 10:14:47 AM  
Walking made me late to my meeting, but a minimum wage budget doesn't allow for extra transportation costs, making it my only option.

Guess what happens when minimum wage workers are late for their jobs?

And even in the case of an understanding boss, you still didn't clock in on time and your budget for food next week just got smaller.
 
2014-07-28 10:14:59 AM  
Because what we need is more awareness about the fact that minimum wage is not something a person can live off of, next he is going to tell us all about the dangers of smoking.
 
2014-07-28 10:17:38 AM  
Does he get into an earth mover battle with Jeffrey Tambor?
 
2014-07-28 10:21:22 AM  
I have this moral dilemma that maybe you farkers can help me with.

I donate generously to my local foodbank because I want to make life a little bit easier for folks who are just scraping by.  However, lately, I've begun to feel like a chump.  I'm starting to think that foodbanks are really helping places like MacDonald's are WalMart get away with paying their workers less than a living wage.

If workers can supplement their wages with trips to the food bank, why would a greedy employer pay them more?  Am I really hurting low wage workers by supporting the food bank?

Wut do?  Halp!
 
2014-07-28 10:21:36 AM  
He should have checked to see if his minimum-wage salary qualified him for some government assistance. Might have eased some of that one-day burden.
 
2014-07-28 10:21:51 AM  

Headso: Because what we need is more awareness about the fact that minimum wage is not something a person can live off of, next he is going to tell us all about the dangers of smoking.


Based on how many fight min wage hikes, or how many smoke, yes we do still need that awareness.
 
2014-07-28 10:22:14 AM  

Serious Black: Tigger: Serious Black: xanadian: Serious Black: Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.

Sure, but it's a start; and it puts the issue in the spotlight...even if for just a bit.

Side note:   bet you'd never see an (R) do a stunt like this...

Apparently, one of Steve Stockman's aides did the SNAP challenge a year ago to prove that SNAP could be cut by 10% right away, and he bragged that he did so well that he is the "Undisputed SNAP Challenge Champion."

So the republican did try it, got the message totally wrong, then lied about what happened.

Math checks out.

I know. I was floored too. I mean, Republicans are well known for exhibiting high levels of empathy for the indigent and if I keep knowingly making false statements like that, God is going to smite me.


It's more disturbing that SNAP is somehow a game that can be won or lost. The entire concept of a "SNAP Challenge" says some pretty ugly things about us.
 
2014-07-28 10:25:38 AM  

nekom: I couldn't possibly live on minimum wage.  If my options were a minimum wage job or welfare, I'd go with welfare.  I could make up the difference running scrap metal and not paying taxes on it.



That's not the choice. Most people making minimum wage are already receiving some kind of public assistance.
 
2014-07-28 10:28:41 AM  

clkeagle: Serious Black: Tigger: Serious Black: xanadian: Serious Black: Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.

Sure, but it's a start; and it puts the issue in the spotlight...even if for just a bit.

Side note:   bet you'd never see an (R) do a stunt like this...

Apparently, one of Steve Stockman's aides did the SNAP challenge a year ago to prove that SNAP could be cut by 10% right away, and he bragged that he did so well that he is the "Undisputed SNAP Challenge Champion."

So the republican did try it, got the message totally wrong, then lied about what happened.

Math checks out.

I know. I was floored too. I mean, Republicans are well known for exhibiting high levels of empathy for the indigent and if I keep knowingly making false statements like that, God is going to smite me.

It's more disturbing that SNAP is somehow a game that can be won or lost. The entire concept of a "SNAP Challenge" says some pretty ugly things about us.


Well, usually the challenge is to have people live on the same budget as the unemployed for a month to prove it isn't all lobster coated rims.

Leave it to some GOP aid to treat it like Crossfit.
 
2014-07-28 10:28:46 AM  

Cletus C.: He should have checked to see if his minimum-wage salary qualified him for some government assistance. Might have eased some of that one-day burden.


Nonsense. If you're working you don't need programs. Those are only for jobless moochers which is why they need to be cut.
 
2014-07-28 10:28:52 AM  

Cletus C.: He should have checked to see if his minimum-wage salary qualified him for some government assistance. Might have eased some of that one-day burden.


Or, you know, employers could pay a decent wage rather than depending on gov't subsidies to help support their employees.  Because let's face it the government assistance is really assisting the blessed job creators in getting away with paying their workers less.
 
2014-07-28 10:29:18 AM  

Smackledorfer: Headso: Because what we need is more awareness about the fact that minimum wage is not something a person can live off of, next he is going to tell us all about the dangers of smoking.

Based on how many fight min wage hikes, or how many smoke, yes we do still need that awareness.


maybe i'm being cynical but I think people who smoke are aware it is bad for them and people fighting minimum wage hikes do so because they make money paying their employees slave wages.
 
2014-07-28 10:31:14 AM  
Smackledorfer:

Its this stupid assumption that helps keep them poor. You have no clue what they spend their money on, yet you think you can make broad conclusion based your moronic assumptions.

"We're in one of the richest countries in the world,
and yet the minimum wage is lower than it was thirty five years ago.
There are homeless people everywhere.
This homeless guy asked me for money the other day.
I was about to give it to him and then I thought he was going to use it on drugs or alcohol.
And then I thought, that's what I'm gonna to use it on.
Why am I judging this poor bastard.
People love to judge homeless guys. Like if you give them money they're just going to waste it hes gonna waste the money.
Well, he lives in a box, what do you want him to do? Save it up and buy a wall unit?
Take a little run to the store for a throw rug and a CD rack? He's homeless.
I walked behind this guy the other day.
A homeless guy asking for money.
He looks right at the homeless guy and says why don't you go get a job you bum.
People always say that to homeless guys like it's always that easy.
This homeless guy was wearing his underwear outside his pants.
I'm guessing his resume isn't all up to date.
I'm predicting some problems during the interview process.
I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a "underwear goes inside the pants" policy.
Not that they enforce it very strictly, but technically I'm sure it is on the books."
 
2014-07-28 10:33:11 AM  

Serious Black: Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.


Yes.

Yes it does.

It can get better, but even after you've been making above minimum for years, it can take a long time to not feel that paranoid worry that unless you pinch every penny, you're going to get farked by fate.
 
2014-07-28 10:34:20 AM  

mutterfark: No, jackass, that doesn't remotely count. The poor don't "get" to live on minimum wage. They get to work 60-80 hours a week, and live in overcrowded apartments. Wondering if the next doctor visit or car problem will get them evicted. Get back to me when you actually live like the poor. In their neighborhoods, driving a 15 year old beater to get to your two jobs. Without health insurance because the d**kwads who run the state you live in decided to screw you over to score political points against the blah man.


It is amazing that those same dickwads don't understand that if Wal-Mart and the like were forced to actually pay their employees enough to live on, suddenly you have less use of welfare and Medicaid, saving the taxpayer billions of dollars.  And the cost to Walmart? Around 5-10% (if I remember an article I read several weeks ago) of their muiti-billion a year profit. Woe is the Walton family
 
2014-07-28 10:37:11 AM  

Graffito: I have this moral dilemma that maybe you farkers can help me with.

I donate generously to my local foodbank because I want to make life a little bit easier for folks who are just scraping by.  However, lately, I've begun to feel like a chump.  I'm starting to think that foodbanks are really helping places like MacDonald's are WalMart get away with paying their workers less than a living wage.

If workers can supplement their wages with trips to the food bank, why would a greedy employer pay them more?  Am I really hurting low wage workers by supporting the food bank?

Wut do?  Halp!


I'd keep doing it. Your donations help struggling people in an immediate and tangible way. Stopping because their employers suck doesn't do anybody any good. Walmart's not going to change just because people stop donating to food banks.
 
2014-07-28 10:39:53 AM  

Graffito: I have this moral dilemma that maybe you farkers can help me with.

I donate generously to my local foodbank because I want to make life a little bit easier for folks who are just scraping by.  However, lately, I've begun to feel like a chump.  I'm starting to think that foodbanks are really helping places like MacDonald's are WalMart get away with paying their workers less than a living wage.

If workers can supplement their wages with trips to the food bank, why would a greedy employer pay them more?  Am I really hurting low wage workers by supporting the food bank?

Wut do?  Halp!


There is a guy in town who was REALLY down on his luck.  No heat in the dead of winter, no running water or electricity, physically unable to work (serious back injury) but disability wasn't paying anything just yet.  He got through the winter because of our local food bank.  Don't EVER think you're doing wrong contributing to such a great cause.
 
2014-07-28 10:41:32 AM  

Graffito: I have this moral dilemma that maybe you farkers can help me with.

I donate generously to my local foodbank because I want to make life a little bit easier for folks who are just scraping by.  However, lately, I've begun to feel like a chump.  I'm starting to think that foodbanks are really helping places like MacDonald's are WalMart get away with paying their workers less than a living wage.

If workers can supplement their wages with trips to the food bank, why would a greedy employer pay them more?  Am I really hurting low wage workers by supporting the food bank?

Wut do?  Halp!


Wages are sticky. If your local food bank stopped giving food to desperate people, their employers would not immediately increase their employees' wages to make up for the difference. Those people would likely suffer, possibly immensely for those who have no other safety net. I wouldn't stop giving to them if I were you.
 
2014-07-28 10:41:52 AM  
He also had the added benefit of an apartment that most assuredly could not be purchased while on minimum wage. At least he noticed the limitations instead of concluding nothing was wrong.

Those "living on minimum wage is easy" conservative stories are always great to read when it is simply a story about spending $80 on better groceries and they completely ignore the fact they are spending $1500 on rent/mortgage, $400 on a car payment, and posting about their easy minimum wage success story from a $1500 laptop.
 
2014-07-28 10:42:22 AM  

Headso: Smackledorfer: Headso: Because what we need is more awareness about the fact that minimum wage is not something a person can live off of, next he is going to tell us all about the dangers of smoking.

Based on how many fight min wage hikes, or how many smoke, yes we do still need that awareness.

maybe i'm being cynical but I think people who smoke are aware it is bad for them and people fighting minimum wage hikes do so because they make money paying their employees slave wages.


On minimum wage you are flat out incorrect. There are far more voters supporting keeping it low than there are employers. There is also a ton of misinformation out there. If this thread takes off there should be plenty of examples. I am sure you have seen all the talking points so I will soare you the lecture, but they really are what many people, including many poor themselves, actually believe.

Hell, Romney despised the poor and was so out of touch he and his wife claimed they were poor in college, and look at all the votes he got.


On smoking: yes people know it bad. People knew it was bad before anti smoking campaigns took off, yet fewer people smoke now in their aftermath. They work. Increases in information, both in terms of additional health costs and increased exposure to those costs, do have an effect on a nation's smoking rates. I will happily agree to disagree on this one though.
 
2014-07-28 10:42:45 AM  

xalres: Graffito: I have this moral dilemma that maybe you farkers can help me with.

I donate generously to my local foodbank because I want to make life a little bit easier for folks who are just scraping by.  However, lately, I've begun to feel like a chump.  I'm starting to think that foodbanks are really helping places like MacDonald's are WalMart get away with paying their workers less than a living wage.

If workers can supplement their wages with trips to the food bank, why would a greedy employer pay them more?  Am I really hurting low wage workers by supporting the food bank?

Wut do?  Halp!

I'd keep doing it. Your donations help struggling people in an immediate and tangible way. Stopping because their employers suck doesn't do anybody any good. Walmart's not going to change just because people stop donating to food banks.


Yup. Amazingly enough, some things  might require government intervention to change. Shocking, I know, but it may be true.
 
2014-07-28 10:46:06 AM  

palelizard: Guess what happens when minimum wage workers are late for their jobs?

And even in the case of an understanding boss, you still didn't clock in on time and your budget for food next week just got smaller


When I was making minimum wage while living on my own, February with only 28 potential work days would screw me over. This was before the "hey let not allow anyone to work more than 30 hours/week" crap.
 
2014-07-28 10:47:07 AM  
You spent a week living on minimum wage. You couldn't do that, but you already knew it. So now that you've written about it are you going to do anything about it? I doubt you will and will chalk this up to another political stunt to show your constituents and donors how "in tune" you are with the state's problems.
 
2014-07-28 10:48:15 AM  
/sarcasm on

Why didn't he just sell off some of his stocks or borrow money from his parents. Minimum wage jobs are just for high school and college kids just getting beer and pizza money, not to live on. .....


/sarcasm off

The above is what the modern TeaParty/GOP actually believes.
 
2014-07-28 10:48:30 AM  
xalres:

I'd keep doing it. Your donations help struggling people in an immediate and tangible way. Stopping because their employers suck doesn't do anybody any good. Walmart's not going to change just because people stop donating to food banks.

nekom:
There is a guy in town who was REALLY down on his luck.  No heat in the dead of winter, no running water or electricity, physically unable to work (serious back injury) but disability wasn't paying anything just yet.  He got through the winter because of our local food bank.  Don't EVER think you're doing wrong contributing to such a great cause.

Serious Black:

Wages are sticky. If your local food bank stopped giving food to desperate people, their employers would not immediately increase their employees' wages to make up for the difference. Those people would likely suffer, possibly immensely for those who have no other safety net. I wouldn't stop giving to them if I were you.

Thanks!
 
2014-07-28 10:49:03 AM  

Graffito: Cletus C.: He should have checked to see if his minimum-wage salary qualified him for some government assistance. Might have eased some of that one-day burden.

Or, you know, employers could pay a decent wage rather than depending on gov't subsidies to help support their employees.  Because let's face it the government assistance is really assisting the blessed job creators in getting away with paying their workers less.


I'm sure that works great in theory but right now people who can't seem to do better than minimum wage need help and a compassionate society should be willing to step up and provide some.
 
2014-07-28 10:50:15 AM  

Serious Black: xanadian: Serious Black: Stunts like this are good for feeding people a morsel of what it's like to be poor, but they're still stunts. They miss that most people who live on minimum wage can't magically flip a switch and multiply their income and wealth at the end of the week. The mind-numbing pressure piles on week after week, month after month, without end.

Sure, but it's a start; and it puts the issue in the spotlight...even if for just a bit.

Side note:   bet you'd never see an (R) do a stunt like this...

Apparently, one of Steve Stockman's aides did the SNAP challenge a year ago to prove that SNAP could be cut by 10% right away, and he bragged that he did so well that he is the "Undisputed SNAP Challenge Champion."


In an email, Ferguson said he didn't find out about the trip until Tuesday - a few days after he had bought the food and begun the challenge. He said if he would have planned differently had he known about the trip in advance.

What an asshole.  No ability to empathize with another human being who might also be poor and encounter an unexpected change in plans.
 
2014-07-28 10:50:35 AM  

meat0918: Yes.

Yes it does.

It can get better, but even after you've been making above minimum for years, it can take a long time to not feel that paranoid worry that unless you pinch every penny, you're going to get farked by fate.


One of the few things Cracked has really gotten spot on.
 
2014-07-28 10:53:21 AM  

sdd2000: /sarcasm on

Why didn't he just sell off some of his stocks or borrow money from his parents. Minimum wage jobs are just for high school and college kids just getting beer and pizza money, not to live on. .....


/sarcasm off

The above is what the modern TeaParty/GOP actually believes.


I dated a girl for a while, and because we were both out of the country, I never met or heard much about her family. But every once in a while, she would say something completely and utterly strange and out of touch with reality when it came to problems with average and poor Americans. Maybe not quite as dumb as your example, but there were some hints. I later found out that her family is absolutely, positively farking loaded with money. So, it all made sense then..
 
2014-07-28 10:54:06 AM  
Needs moar bootstraps!
 
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