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(Independent)   British police to start confiscating drivers' cell phones after all car accidents, no matter how minor, to check whether either one was on their phone when the accident happened   (independent.co.uk) divider line 68
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2014-07-28 08:05:00 AM  
Good.
 
2014-07-28 08:30:08 AM  
jaydeanhcr.files.wordpress.com
Who's crazy now, man?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-28 08:51:43 AM  
According to the ACPO,
Following wide reporting that guidance has been issued to officers to examine or seize mobile phones after every road traffic collision today (Saturday, July 26), the National Policing Lead for Roads Policing, Chief Constable Suzette Davenport, has issued the following statement:

"At no point have I issued guidance to officers to seize mobile phones from drivers at the site of every road traffic collision.

"It is fair to say that we as a service are looking at ways of making officers and drivers more aware of the difference between the offences of driving while not in proper control of the vehicle - which is a distraction offence - and driving while using a mobile phone. Part of this process involves making sure officers know the best means of using information within a driver's mobile phone when building evidence for a successful prosecution, such as finding from call or text logs if the phone was in use at the time of an incident.

"It has been standard practice to seize mobile phones from drivers at the scenes of very serious collisions for some time as part of the information and evidence gathering process, but it is not now, nor will it be, standard practice to seize phones from drivers after every collision.

"Drivers must continue to be aware not only of the risks posed by being distracted by mobile phones while in control of a car, but the serious penalties which they will face if they are caught. We are unequivocal in our determination to keep all road users safe."
 
2014-07-28 10:19:48 AM  
Because deleting text threads and recent calls before the police arrive is hard..

/not that I encourage it
/but seizing phones isn't fool proof
 
2014-07-28 10:21:02 AM  
So, it is the usual Fear Mongering Media.
move along
 
2014-07-28 10:22:47 AM  
No guns and the cops can grab your phone any time they want. Sounds like a great place to live.
 
2014-07-28 10:23:39 AM  
I'd think insurance companies would be the most interested party.
 
2014-07-28 10:23:40 AM  

basemetal: Good.


^
 
2014-07-28 10:23:40 AM  
Nanny State
 
2014-07-28 10:24:00 AM  

ZAZ: According to the ACPO,Following wide reporting that guidance has been issued to officers to examine or seize mobile phones after every road traffic collision today (Saturday, July 26), the National Policing Lead for Roads Policing, Chief Constable Suzette Davenport, has issued the following statement:

"At no point have I issued guidance to officers to seize mobile phones from drivers at the site of every road traffic collision.

"It is fair to say that we as a service are looking at ways of making officers and drivers more aware of the difference between the offences of driving while not in proper control of the vehicle - which is a distraction offence - and driving while using a mobile phone. Part of this process involves making sure officers know the best means of using information within a driver's mobile phone when building evidence for a successful prosecution, such as finding from call or text logs if the phone was in use at the time of an incident.

"It has been standard practice to seize mobile phones from drivers at the scenes of very serious collisions for some time as part of the information and evidence gathering process, but it is not now, nor will it be, standard practice to seize phones from drivers after every collision.

"Drivers must continue to be aware not only of the risks posed by being distracted by mobile phones while in control of a car, but the serious penalties which they will face if they are caught. We are unequivocal in our determination to keep all road users safe."


So, the Independent is using sensationalist headlines, exaggerating actual events, and taking quotes out of context, in order to generate false outrage and more page views...

/Why am I not surprised.
 
2014-07-28 10:25:03 AM  
But that's against the Constitution.
 
2014-07-28 10:25:18 AM  

MurphyMurphy: basemetal: Good.

^


x2
 
2014-07-28 10:27:11 AM  
Sounds like it's time to keep your old worn-out phones as "dummies" to hand over to the cops.
 
2014-07-28 10:28:02 AM  
So what happens when you use your cell right after the crash to make a phone call, you know, say to get an ambulance?
 
2014-07-28 10:29:03 AM  
If you claim not to be carrying a phone, will they search your car?
 
2014-07-28 10:29:43 AM  

b-maz: So what happens when you use your cell right after the crash to make a phone call, you know, say to get an ambulance?


You would say "I used it right after the crash to call an ambulance. See? That's the emergency number."

Then the cop would say "Oh ok".
 
2014-07-28 10:32:42 AM  

styckx: Because deleting text threads and recent calls before the police arrive is hard..

/not that I encourage it
/but seizing phones isn't fool proof


It's the easy solution, but you would think that if there were real questions they could ultimately subpoena the records from the phone company.  Besides, seizing the phone to look for texts or calls won't tell you that the person was angrily trying to scroll past baby videos on Facebook.
 
2014-07-28 10:35:59 AM  

basemetal: Good.


I knew there was a reason that your posts come up green on my tube.
 
2014-07-28 10:36:14 AM  
...since they aren't going to do this, should I be non-angry?

/texting while driving though is an open invite to get Darwin'd
 
2014-07-28 10:38:15 AM  
Don't run into things in the first place. Problem solved.
 
2014-07-28 10:40:27 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: Don't run into things in the first place. Problem solved.



That's about as helpful as telling someone not to accidentally the whole thing.
 
2014-07-28 10:41:27 AM  
My not-particularly-fancy 2012 Chrysler 200 has bluetooth in the car for use with my phone.  With voice recognition and an on-off button actually on the steering wheel I can use my phone literally 100% hands-on-the-steering-wheel.  This sort of technology will soon be in every vehicle as well as voice-recognition/voice-synthesis to and from text messages.    The dangerous useage of phones in a car will soon be a thing of the past.
 
2014-07-28 10:49:54 AM  
(grumpycatgood.jpg)
/shut up and drive
 
2014-07-28 10:51:20 AM  

Pista: MurphyMurphy: basemetal: Good.

^

x2


X3

Not stupid Subby, not stupid at all.
 
2014-07-28 10:56:41 AM  

cnocnanrionnag: My not-particularly-fancy 2012 Chrysler 200 has bluetooth in the car for use with my phone.  With voice recognition and an on-off button actually on the steering wheel I can use my phone literally 100% hands-on-the-steering-wheel.  This sort of technology will soon be in every vehicle as well as voice-recognition/voice-synthesis to and from text messages.    The dangerous useage of phones in a car will soon be a thing of the past.


The issue is not simply needing hands to manipulate the phone.  Some people are easily distracted.  God forbid teenage Becky get a break-up call from her boyfriend.
 
2014-07-28 10:57:35 AM  
So, my passenger was using my phone.  Right?
 
2014-07-28 10:59:07 AM  

cnocnanrionnag: The dangerous useage of phones in a car will soon be a thing of the past.


Great, make it even easier for assholes to yak on the phone instead of paying attention to the road.
 
2014-07-28 10:59:08 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Pista: MurphyMurphy: basemetal: Good.

^

x2

X3

Not stupid Subby, not stupid at all.


+1
 
2014-07-28 11:00:27 AM  

jaytkay: cnocnanrionnag: The dangerous useage of phones in a car will soon be a thing of the past.

Great, make it even easier for assholes to yak on the phone instead of paying attention to the road.


If it is hands free how is it any different than talking to the other people in the car.  Or is that verboten now as well.
 
2014-07-28 11:05:23 AM  
Hands-free phones are a godsend when you're also trying to read the paper, change the kids' DVD, change the kids, dry your nails, assemble a fajita and keep some sort of an eye on the road too
 
2014-07-28 11:13:33 AM  

b-maz: So what happens when you use your cell right after the crash to make a phone call, you know, say to get an ambulance?


Your phone shows that you dialed 911?
 
2014-07-28 11:14:19 AM  

BunkoSquad: Hands-free phones are a godsend when you're also trying to read the paper, change the kids' DVD, change the kids, dry your nails, assemble a fajita and keep some sort of an eye on the road too


You can use the fax machine to send for help.
 
2014-07-28 11:15:06 AM  
It would be stupid NOT to check someone's cell phone after they got in an accident, especially if they caused the accident.
 
2014-07-28 11:21:44 AM  

styckx: Because deleting text threads and recent calls before the police arrive is hard..

/not that I encourage it
/but seizing phones isn't fool proof


It is when you're dead
 
2014-07-28 11:22:56 AM  
This is the government overstepping their bounds.  This will lead to revolution.  This is the straw that broke the camels back.

 

flucto: But that's against the Constitution.


My Eleventeenth Amendment rights are in-alienable. I won't stand for this travesty of justice.  You can have my cell phone when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
 
2014-07-28 11:25:51 AM  
they gonna start seizing our genitals too, just to make sure we weren't having road sex?
 
2014-07-28 11:29:09 AM  

cnocnanrionnag: My not-particularly-fancy 2012 Chrysler 200 has bluetooth in the car for use with my phone.  With voice recognition and an on-off button actually on the steering wheel I can use my phone literally 100% hands-on-the-steering-wheel.  This sort of technology will soon be in every vehicle as well as voice-recognition/voice-synthesis to and from text messages.    The dangerous useage of phones in a car will soon be a thing of the past.


It's in my Soul as well. One of the reasons I bought it. I never had my phone on in the car, but now I do. I'm not a texter or phone talker, but if someone needs to reach me (family), they can. Wish everybody had it.
 
2014-07-28 11:36:25 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I'd think insurance companies would be the most interested party.


You'd think that, but mine refused to even acknowledge the possibility that the guy that hit me was on his phone when he plowed straight into me, didn't even try to swerve or hit the brakes.
 
2014-07-28 11:39:06 AM  

styckx: Because deleting text threads and recent calls before the police arrive is hard..

/not that I encourage it
/but seizing phones isn't fool proof


It is completely ineffective and pointless when the cell phone company has a record of all that shiat that they gladly hand over whenever anyone with a badge says "boo" in their general direction.

No need to confiscate, just make it law that the cell company has to hand over all records in say a one to four hour period around the time of an accident, depending on how accurately the time of said accident can be pinpointed. Problem solved.

Oh yeah...there's that whole "when exactly did it happen?" thing which may make the whole exercize pointless.
 
2014-07-28 11:39:25 AM  
The British Police don't need to go through all that trouble to see who was on their phone at the time of a crash.  They can just ask our NSA, I'm sure they can provide the info.
 
2014-07-28 11:41:23 AM  

BunkoSquad: Hands-free phones are a godsend when you're also trying to read the paper, change the kids' DVD, change the kids, dry your nails, assemble a fajita and keep some sort of an eye on the road too


+1 would chuckle again.
 
2014-07-28 11:44:45 AM  
They're only just starting to do this now?  It's been SOP here for a while.  There was an accident 2 blocks from my house, I walked up to see what was happening.  One of the drivers was standing there talking with a police officer.  I was close enough to hear him ask the driver "Did you have a cell phone with you?"  "Yes" "Let me see it."

No "Please", no "May I".  A very direct "Let me see it."

That was several years ago.
 
2014-07-28 11:46:44 AM  
When cellphones are outlawed, only outlaws will have cellphones.
 
2014-07-28 11:48:34 AM  

danno_to_infinity: "Did you have a cell phone with you?" "Yes" "Let me see it."


they can't do that now after the SCOTUS decision this month.
 
2014-07-28 11:50:30 AM  
Wait, cops know my phone's password?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-28 11:58:05 AM  
scarmig: Wait, cops know my phone's password?

The password is "please remove your nightstick from my rectum, officer, and I will gladly unlock my phone."
 
2014-07-28 11:59:12 AM  
I would like to slap the phone out of every pedestrian's hands.

This morning on Madison Ave heard a "beep" which turned out to be a northbound express buss gently reminding a blonde phone zombie to get back on the sidewalk.

The routine of this occurrence does not faze anyone until one day when it was just a moment too late.

I am afraid to drive in Manhattan.


Since when do they need the phone? They can get all the info they need from the provider.
 
2014-07-28 11:59:39 AM  

cnocnanrionnag: My not-particularly-fancy 2012 Chrysler 200 has bluetooth in the car for use with my phone.  With voice recognition and an on-off button actually on the steering wheel I can use my phone literally 100% hands-on-the-steering-wheel.  This sort of technology will soon be in every vehicle as well as voice-recognition/voice-synthesis to and from text messages.    The dangerous useage of phones in a car will soon be a thing of the past.


Not really
1. The audio quality of a phone call is much crappier than listening to someone sitting right next to you. It demands more mental resources
2. When someone is sitting right next to you and they notice you're trying to make a left turn across two lanes of heavy traffic, or hear and ambulance approaching, or know you're looking for a street sign they usually either shut up or help you out
 
2014-07-28 12:09:51 PM  

ZAZ: scarmig: Wait, cops know my phone's password?

The password is "please remove your nightstick from my rectum, officer, and I will gladly unlock my phone."


Oh, right.  Police state.  I forgot.
 
2014-07-28 12:21:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: b-maz: So what happens when you use your cell right after the crash to make a phone call, you know, say to get an ambulance?

You would say "I used it right after the crash to call an ambulance. See? That's the emergency number."

Then the cop would say "Oh ok".


Uh huh... What if you weren't the one using the phone during a crash? My wife uses mine while I am driving since hers isn't a smartphone. I don't see how they can prove who was on the phone just because the phone was in use.
 
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