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(Deadspin)   According to the official scorer, there's a grammatical error on Greg Maddux's Hall of Fame plaque   (deadspin.com ) divider line
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2014-07-28 11:23:16 AM  
Best comment:  "Less" instead of "Fewer" and three missing commas. This plaque commits more errors than Maddux averaged per season of his career.
 
2014-07-28 12:27:49 PM  
Is he wearing a cap without a logo?
 
2014-07-28 12:37:29 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: Is he wearing a cap without a logo?


Yes. He started his pro career with the Cubs, came up through their system, won his first of four Cy Young's there, and then went to Atlanta where he had his best years. He later went back to the Cubs for a few seasons, followed by a some brief stints with the Padres and Dodgers before he retired. He said he was always grateful to Chicago even though the bulk of his HOF-worthy years were in Atlanta, so he chose to go in with no logo on his hat.
 
2014-07-28 12:42:15 PM  

Nabb1: Cat Food Sandwiches: Is he wearing a cap without a logo?

Yes. He started his pro career with the Cubs, came up through their system, won his first of four Cy Young's there, and then went to Atlanta where he had his best years. He later went back to the Cubs for a few seasons, followed by a some brief stints with the Padres and Dodgers before he retired. He said he was always grateful to Chicago even though the bulk of his HOF-worthy years were in Atlanta, so he chose to go in with no logo on his hat.


I thought, technically, the choice wasn't his.  I know players get input, though.

This makes the Braves hater in me kinda happy.
 
2014-07-28 12:43:07 PM  
Why doesn't it mention his WAR or ERA+?!
 
2014-07-28 12:54:20 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Best comment:  "Less" instead of "Fewer" and three missing commas. This plaque commits more errors than Maddux averaged per season of his career.


But what it lacks in commas, it makes up for in hyphens.
 
2014-07-28 12:57:06 PM  

Dafatone: Nabb1: Cat Food Sandwiches: Is he wearing a cap without a logo?

Yes. He started his pro career with the Cubs, came up through their system, won his first of four Cy Young's there, and then went to Atlanta where he had his best years. He later went back to the Cubs for a few seasons, followed by a some brief stints with the Padres and Dodgers before he retired. He said he was always grateful to Chicago even though the bulk of his HOF-worthy years were in Atlanta, so he chose to go in with no logo on his hat.

I thought, technically, the choice wasn't his.  I know players get input, though.

This makes the Braves hater in me kinda happy.


Yeah, the player can't decide but can offer input... the HoF changed the rules in 2001 when it was rumored that the Devil Rays put a clause in Wade Boggs' contract to use their logo on his HoF plaque
 
2014-07-28 01:07:04 PM  

Dafatone: This makes the Braves hater in me kinda happy.


I'm a Braves fan, and for the most part, Braves fans have been just fine with this. Everyone who follows baseball knows his best years were as a Brave.
 
2014-07-28 01:58:02 PM  
Greg Maddux really should have been the test case for, "vote for this guy for the HoF, or your vote is stripped." 16 people didn't vote for him.
 
2014-07-28 02:04:06 PM  

drewsclues: Greg Maddux really should have been the test case for, "vote for this guy for the HoF, or your vote is stripped." 16 people didn't vote for him.


16 people write about baseball, but either are extreme anti-Braves/Cubs homers, have never watched baseball, or caught Maddux peeing on their leg.
 
2014-07-28 02:16:04 PM  

drewsclues: Greg Maddux really should have been the test case for, "vote for this guy for the HoF, or your vote is stripped." 16 people didn't vote for him.


They're still waiting for his last fastball to hit the catcher's mitt.

// profane Maddux is best Maddux
 
2014-07-28 02:18:04 PM  

skrame: drewsclues: Greg Maddux really should have been the test case for, "vote for this guy for the HoF, or your vote is stripped." 16 people didn't vote for him.

16 people write about baseball, but either are extreme anti-Braves/Cubs homers, have never watched baseball, or caught Maddux peeing on their leg.


I think if you ask them, they'll say they believe Maddux is worthy but they're committed to a bizarre tradition in which nobody ever receives 100% of the vote. (This is every bit as idiotic as the conceptually related "I think he's a deserving HOFer but not on the first ballot" concept, but that's what they'll say.)
 
2014-07-28 02:32:02 PM  

Super Chronic: skrame: drewsclues: Greg Maddux really should have been the test case for, "vote for this guy for the HoF, or your vote is stripped." 16 people didn't vote for him.

16 people write about baseball, but either are extreme anti-Braves/Cubs homers, have never watched baseball, or caught Maddux peeing on their leg.

I think if you ask them, they'll say they believe Maddux is worthy but they're committed to a bizarre tradition in which nobody ever receives 100% of the vote. (This is every bit as idiotic as the conceptually related "I think he's a deserving HOFer but not on the first ballot" concept, but that's what they'll say.)


So, per the Unwritten Code of Baseball, does that mean Maddux gets a retaliatory HBP on each of them?
 
2014-07-28 02:52:50 PM  

veale728: Dafatone: Nabb1: Cat Food Sandwiches: Is he wearing a cap without a logo?

Yes. He started his pro career with the Cubs, came up through their system, won his first of four Cy Young's there, and then went to Atlanta where he had his best years. He later went back to the Cubs for a few seasons, followed by a some brief stints with the Padres and Dodgers before he retired. He said he was always grateful to Chicago even though the bulk of his HOF-worthy years were in Atlanta, so he chose to go in with no logo on his hat.

I thought, technically, the choice wasn't his.  I know players get input, though.

This makes the Braves hater in me kinda happy.

Yeah, the player can't decide but can offer input... the HoF changed the rules in 2001 when it was rumored that the Devil Rays put a clause in Wade Boggs' contract to use their logo on his HoF plaque


Pretty sure it works the other way around -- players get whatever they want so long as MLB approves it. I'm friends with a HOF baseball player who had a long career across many teams, and he wanted to stir the pot with a hat sure to cause some commotion...they rejected that idea but said, "choose one of the following." So as he tells the story it's up to the players, it just has to be kosher with the hall.

For example, if Reggie Jackson wanted to go in as an Oriole, he'd have been allowed, even though that's basically ridiculous. But if some dude wants to pimp the AA club he spent 18 months with three decades prior...not gonna happen.
 
2014-07-28 03:33:54 PM  
Baseball doesn't need grammar Nazis, lest Marge Schott return from the grave.
 
2014-07-28 03:39:27 PM  
♪ You should know when
It's "less" or it's "fewer"
Like people who were
Never raised in a sewer ♪
 
2014-07-28 03:54:59 PM  
I'm actually more wondering, are there any other HOF plaques where the guy's not facing forward? That just looks...wrong.
 
2014-07-28 04:06:13 PM  
Was it really necessary to list "Greg" as a nickname?
 
2014-07-28 04:06:17 PM  

FriarReb98: I'm actually more wondering, are there any other HOF plaques where the guy's not facing forward? That just looks...wrong.


It was common with the old-timey players.

Full profile on Rogers Hornsby:

baseballhall.org

Full profile on Honus Wagner:

baseballhall.org

3/4 profile on Tris Speaker:

baseballhall.org

Opposite 3/4 on Cap Anson (with bonus old-timey mustache)

baseballhall.org

And so on.
 
2014-07-28 04:12:53 PM  
Weirld al has some tips for the BBHOF
 
2014-07-28 04:20:38 PM  
Loved watching that guy pitch. It also meant the game wouldn't likely last three hours.
 
2014-07-28 04:24:19 PM  

ChrisDe: Loved watching that guy pitch. It also meant the game wouldn't likely last three hours.


Back in 92 or 93, I went to a game when the Expos were in town. Maddux was pitching for the Braves and this young pitcher by the name of Pedro somethingorother (his brother picthed for the Dodgers) as on the mound for the expos. The game was over in les than two hours.
 
2014-07-28 04:54:09 PM  

BKITU: Full profile on Honus Wagner:


1) It's nice to have the first line of your plaque be "The greatest shortstop in baseball history."
2) That plaque was written in 1936, and it's still correct.  It's not particularly close.

He was widely regarded as the best defensive shortstop of his day, and in his prime he had three straight seasons when he led the league in AVG, OBP, and SLG.  During that run, he drove in almost 100 runs per season while the league ERA sat around 2.30, roughly half of what it is today.  Amazing player.
 
2014-07-28 05:10:07 PM  

chimp_ninja: "The greatest shortstop in baseball history."
2) That plaque was written in 1936, and it's still correct.  It's not particularly close.


Yeah, but he was facing turn-of-the-century competition too. If you're fielding a team right now, are you really going to start Wagner over Ripken, Ozzie, or even an A-Rod in his prime, if only for his bat?

/just having fun. Not, like, insulting you or anything.
 
2014-07-28 05:19:52 PM  
16 people didn't vote for him

I'd like for someone to publicly call them out on this. I would love to hear 16 people come up with an explanation for that. Then let Maddux piss on them.
 
2014-07-28 07:24:50 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Yeah, but he was facing turn-of-the-century competition too. If you're fielding a team right now, are you really going to start Wagner over Ripken, Ozzie, or even an A-Rod in his prime, if only for his bat?


1) Of course not.  He's 140 years old and quite dead.

2) If you picked a shortstop purely for his bat, you'd still pick Wagner.  A-Rod hit lots of homers, but Wagner was cracking doubles and triples with a ball that was like a rolled-up dirty sock, playing in ridiculously large stadiums.  He was the leading power hitter of his era-- from 1899 to 1912 he led the league in slugging six times, and never ranked lower than 7th.  (Plus, A-Rod is half 3B at this point, and was able to rest as a DH from time to time.)  He hit 252 triples, which were sort of the homers of that day, and he's still 9th all-time in doubles.

OPS+ adjusts for era and park (100 being average, and a rating of 150 basically meaning you're 1.5 times as valuable as the average batter), and here's how some famous shortstops did relative to their leagues:

Wagner: 151
A-Rod: 143
Vaughan: 136 (Terribly underrated player.)
Garciaparra: 124
Jeter: 116
Ripken: 112
 
2014-07-28 07:33:08 PM  

skrame: drewsclues: Greg Maddux really should have been the test case for, "vote for this guy for the HoF, or your vote is stripped." 16 people didn't vote for him.

16 people write about baseball, but either are extreme anti-Braves/Cubs homers, have never watched baseball, or caught Maddux peeing on their leg.


wrote about baseball. A good number of the voters are semi-senile people sitting in nursing homes. They keep their ballot until they die, usually
 
2014-07-28 07:53:03 PM  

BKITU: FriarReb98: I'm actually more wondering, are there any other HOF plaques where the guy's not facing forward? That just looks...wrong.

It was common with the old-timey players.

Full profile on Rogers Hornsby:

[baseballhall.org image 279x391]

Full profile on Honus Wagner:

[baseballhall.org image 279x391]

3/4 profile on Tris Speaker:

[baseballhall.org image 279x391]

Opposite 3/4 on Cap Anson (with bonus old-timey mustache)

[baseballhall.org image 279x391]

And so on.


Yet another reason I have to go out there: I've forgotten all that stuff in 23 or 24 years or so since I went as a kid.
 
2014-07-28 08:09:56 PM  
chimp_ninja: smart stuff

I was too busy to do research earlier, actually being at work and all, but I pulled up a bunch of stats and, wow, I had no idea how dominant that dude really was. That's nuts. You win this round, karate monkey.
 
2014-07-28 09:36:15 PM  

Nabb1: Cat Food Sandwiches: Is he wearing a cap without a logo?

Yes. He started his pro career with the Cubs, came up through their system, won his first of four Cy Young's there, and then went to Atlanta where he had his best years. He later went back to the Cubs for a few seasons, followed by a some brief stints with the Padres and Dodgers before he retired. He said he was always grateful to Chicago even though the bulk of his HOF-worthy years were in Atlanta, so he chose to go in with no logo on his hat.


Really? I was kinda young then, but I remember his four straight Cy Young's. I could have sworn they were all with the Braves. Oh well. Off too Google I go!
 
2014-07-28 10:39:46 PM  

chimp_ninja: Vaughan: 136 (Terribly underrated player.)


Arguably one of the two or three best shortstops ever, and yet he can't even make a lousy all-time all-franchise team. Poor guy.
 
2014-07-29 01:06:45 AM  
..and let not talk about his waddle.
 
2014-07-29 01:31:54 AM  

Scrotastic Method: veale728: Dafatone: Nabb1: Cat Food Sandwiches: Is he wearing a cap without a logo?

Yes. He started his pro career with the Cubs, came up through their system, won his first of four Cy Young's there, and then went to Atlanta where he had his best years. He later went back to the Cubs for a few seasons, followed by a some brief stints with the Padres and Dodgers before he retired. He said he was always grateful to Chicago even though the bulk of his HOF-worthy years were in Atlanta, so he chose to go in with no logo on his hat.

I thought, technically, the choice wasn't his.  I know players get input, though.

This makes the Braves hater in me kinda happy.

Yeah, the player can't decide but can offer input... the HoF changed the rules in 2001 when it was rumored that the Devil Rays put a clause in Wade Boggs' contract to use their logo on his HoF plaque

Pretty sure it works the other way around -- players get whatever they want so long as MLB approves it. I'm friends with a HOF baseball player who had a long career across many teams, and he wanted to stir the pot with a hat sure to cause some commotion...they rejected that idea but said, "choose one of the following." So as he tells the story it's up to the players, it just has to be kosher with the hall.

For example, if Reggie Jackson wanted to go in as an Oriole, he'd have been allowed, even though that's basically ridiculous. But if some dude wants to pimp the AA club he spent 18 months with three decades prior...not gonna happen.


Pre-2001 that is true. Despite holding the final decision, the HOF basically rubber stamped the player choice.

After the aformentioned controversies the HOF took a more active role, although the players still have input. For example Gary Carter and Andre Dawson openly preferred the Mets and Cubs, respectively, but the HOF chose Montreal for both.
 
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