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2014-07-27 09:21:56 PM  
On standardized tests, students are asked to copy in cursive the honor code statement.
 
2014-07-27 09:23:17 PM  

WelldeadLink: So they can read Grandpa's letters home from the war?


Dearest Mary,

After weeks of apprehension and anticipation, the chow hall has finally opened the long promised Pizza Hut.  The brass held a ribbon cutting ceremony and there was much joy and good cheer among the men.
 
2014-07-27 09:23:29 PM  
A well written love letter, in cursive, with a clear firm hand, is a great way to get laid. More effective than texting your junk.
Do you need any other reasons?
 
2014-07-27 09:23:55 PM  

bessyglass: On standardized tests, students are asked to copy in cursive the honor code statement.


7/10, knowing Farks love of standardized testing.
 
2014-07-27 09:25:15 PM  
I could see cursive moved to being taught only to art students someday.

We do most of our writing with computers now,  and our pens don't leave blobs of ink anymore so cursive is going the way of the do-do.

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2014-07-27 09:25:28 PM  

Guilty_plea_bargain: gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.

The most useless thing I was taught in school. Algebra.


That explains the user name.
 
2014-07-27 09:26:33 PM  
Every stupid person I have ever met could not read or write cursive.
Every person I have met that was intelligent or educated wrote cursive.
My mentally ill brother prefers block printing.

Using cursive means you are educated and intelligent.
Using block printing means mental illness, stupidity or lack of education.
 
2014-07-27 09:27:05 PM  

Nilatir: ecmoRandomNumbers: D'Nealian

ecmoRandomNumbers: I'm going to give you the same answer I gave my coworkers when I was teaching in Phoenix when they didn't want to teach D'Nealian writing. Those kids can produce the most beautiful graffiti. It's art. Truly.

All you need to do is apply some freaking pressure. Many of my former students have beautiful cursive writing.

D'Nealian is crap. Those kids will never, ever print properly now. Start with a good draftsman print and then move to cursive if someone feels it's really necessary. Skip the D'Nealian crap...

Guy was a narcissist too, from Wiki: D'Nealian was developed by Donald Thurber, who developed the system while teaching in a primary school and was first introduced in 1978. The name of the script comes from Donald's first name contracted with his middle name ("Neal").


OK. Fine. I'd like to see you try to eradicate it after public schools have spent millions of dollars on it.
 
2014-07-27 09:27:12 PM  

gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.


I found both to be fairly useless. I only use cursive to sign my name (and that looks terrible) and I have always been a quicker, better typer with chicken-pecking rather than actual keyboarding.
 
2014-07-27 09:29:37 PM  

Number40: Cursive should be outlawed.  It has not place in modern society.  Nobody writes it the same way and it's damn near impossible to read most people's cursive.  Communication needs to be sent as well asreceived, and cursive prevents the reception of said communication, it should not be used.

Yeah, yeah.  I get that it's supposedly beautiful.  I get that some can use cursive faster than printing.

But it's an impediment to communication and inefficient.  It has no place in modern communication and is a waste to teach.


So, your argument is that,

because people don't seem to care about cursive, and so don't use it, and thus can't read it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

Great logic. Like, since our math scores are falling in the global sense, because people don't seem to care about it, and thus can't understand it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

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/yay, public schools!
 
2014-07-27 09:31:51 PM  
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2014-07-27 09:32:14 PM  

gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.


Cursive is not useless. It trains fine motor control skills that typing doesn't. It's not a matter of either/or but both are needed.
 
2014-07-27 09:34:05 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Number40: Cursive should be outlawed.  It has not place in modern society.  Nobody writes it the same way and it's damn near impossible to read most people's cursive.  Communication needs to be sent as well asreceived, and cursive prevents the reception of said communication, it should not be used.

Yeah, yeah.  I get that it's supposedly beautiful.  I get that some can use cursive faster than printing.

But it's an impediment to communication and inefficient.  It has no place in modern communication and is a waste to teach.

So, your argument is that,

because people don't seem to care about cursive, and so don't use it, and thus can't read it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

Great logic. Like, since our math scores are falling in the global sense, because people don't seem to care about it, and thus can't understand it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

[farm6.staticflickr.com image 275x37]
[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x37]

/yay, public schools!


Apples and oranges,  one is used for nearly everything while the other is falling by the wayside because it's no longer needed.
 
2014-07-27 09:34:45 PM  
Teaching the fundamentals of cursive writing and reading it is worthwhile- for the neuro-developmental reasons mentioned as well as the "backwards compatibility" mentioned above.  It doesn't have to be a huge part of the curriculum and after the student had mastered the basics- move on.  Remember we are talking about grade school aged kids here, we have no farkin idea of which student will become the Ambassador to the Court of St. James,  who will become a tech firm CEO and who will become a cook, or  plumber etc.  It's important to expose kids to all manner of things so they can discover what their interests and strengths are, what their weaknesses are and so they have some appreciation for others who do what they can't or don't want to do.  I had to take cursive handwriting as well as art and I sucked at both (I had no talent despite the fact that my grandmother had beautiful penmanship and some of her work was used to illustrate Palmer Method Penmanship books.) But I can read cursive handwriting, even some of the more elaborate old styles and I appreciate art by those who have the talent and the drive I lacked.  We tend to discount craftsmanship in a lot of things when we focus on the false notion that only college and technology based careers are what will be globally competitive.
 
2014-07-27 09:35:47 PM  

brownribbon: gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.

I found both to be fairly useless. I only use cursive to sign my name (and that looks terrible) and I have always been a quicker, better typer with chicken-pecking rather than actual keyboarding.


Fun story: I would hunt-and-peck while typing until I discovered Fark my Freshman year of college. I'd get so riled up by flamewars that I started angrily attacking the keyboard with both hands.
 
2014-07-27 09:36:21 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Using block printing means mental illness, stupidity or lack of education.


Yeah, obviously military training and experience, which requires block printing negates my degree and 1280 SATs.

/ I was brilliant until I started printing
 
2014-07-27 09:36:41 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: because people don't seem to care about cursive, and so don't use it, and thus can't read it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

Great logic. Like, since our math scores are falling in the global sense, because people don't seem to care about it, and thus can't understand it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.


False assumption on #2.  Lots of people care about math.  Universities and jobs both require it.  Very few people care about cursive.  That's the difference.  Yes, the fact that no one cares about cursive and no one writes it anymore and is therefore useless is reason enough not to force anyone to learn it.  Interested parties can take it as an archaeology elective if they want to.
 
2014-07-27 09:37:19 PM  
Because we should be teaching children less. That will make them better.
/Really?
 
2014-07-27 09:39:13 PM  
Because teachers and school administrators are idiots.

Teach them to read it.  DO NOT teach them to write it.  It should NEVER be written again.
 
2014-07-27 09:39:27 PM  

lohphat: gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.

Cursive is not useless. It trains fine motor control skills that typing doesn't. It's not a matter of either/or but both are needed.


Teach kids to draw, then. Its a much cooler skill and can be marketable if they're good enough. You'd be teaching them to think about perspective and shiat too.
 
2014-07-27 09:40:15 PM  

UsikFark: A mix of cursive and print letters is the sign of educated, efficient lazy old people handwriting.


Seriously. It's just poor craftsmanship. If you've been educated, you'll produce a uniform document in the most legible hand possible. Oftentimes it's all caps block print for maximum legibility because resorting to handwriting in the age of computers means something is probably going to go wrong with the system before you're writing a note and it's got be absolutely clear what you mean.


Of course in your daily life, like a shopping list or something, go nuts. I make little knots of english and kanji and pictograms for myself that even I can't read sometimes.
 
2014-07-27 09:40:46 PM  
Cursive has been obsolete since we quit using quills and ink wells.
 
2014-07-27 09:43:07 PM  

Betep: Because we should be teaching children less an archaic skill that has no marketability in a job search. That will make them better.
/Really?


// Can you type 80 WPM?
/// Nope, but my penmanship is pretty sweet.
 
2014-07-27 09:43:32 PM  

Boo_Guy: ArcadianRefugee: Number40: Cursive should be outlawed.  It has not place in modern society.  Nobody writes it the same way and it's damn near impossible to read most people's cursive.  Communication needs to be sent as well asreceived, and cursive prevents the reception of said communication, it should not be used.

Yeah, yeah.  I get that it's supposedly beautiful.  I get that some can use cursive faster than printing.

But it's an impediment to communication and inefficient.  It has no place in modern communication and is a waste to teach.

So, your argument is that,

because people don't seem to care about cursive, and so don't use it, and thus can't read it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

Great logic. Like, since our math scores are falling in the global sense, because people don't seem to care about it, and thus can't understand it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

[farm6.staticflickr.com image 275x37]
[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x37]

/yay, public schools!

Apples and oranges,  one is used for nearly everything while the other is falling by the wayside because it's no longer needed.


Apples and oranges. You are equating all of math-dom to a very specific subset of written communication (which, I know, I did). Point is, we have calculators and computers to do that for us. So why teach math in any depth? Just like we no longer really need to write things by hand, we really don't need to know how to multiply/divied/subtract/add, only when, and then we can ask our phones or Google to do it for us.
 
2014-07-27 09:43:36 PM  
I look at my kids and am truly disappointed with so many things about their education.

They whine about how hard school is on a regular basis... when they use computers, when they have printed booklets that they can write on, when all the notes are photocopies or purchased books.

I'm from the days that you were lucky if you got a manual/math book and when you did, you hoped tht it wasn't the one that was falling apart. Usually is was copying everything from a blackboard to lined paper, and you better be able to write fast enough before the teacher ran out of room and erase everything to start with the next part.

Then the substance of the courses, it's just sad... the kids are now in their near twenties and can't write worth crap... their spelling and grammar is horrible, but then again, it's the same for all their friends.

I hated my school days for such things as I've just stated, but looking at it through today's eyes, I realize now that it was a good thing to have suffered then.

So whining about cursive? Mother of God, it's like idiots are really trying their best to make "Idiocracy" be a reality.
 
2014-07-27 09:44:07 PM  
"Divide".
 
2014-07-27 09:44:47 PM  
I've been complemented on my handering more times than I can count. After steadfastly using block letters until seventh grade, I made the switch and haven't looked back.

Three years ago, I was marking up papers for one of my grad school professors. In red ink, I wrote--in cursive--my comments and remarks. Three undergrad juniors asked me what I had written because, as they said, "Dude, who writes in cursive?"

/Luckily, I didn't keep a bottle of bourbon in my desk
//Back then, anyway
 
2014-07-27 09:44:57 PM  
We're in the in-between time.  Not knowing how to read cursive is still an indicator that you're insufficiently educated.  Not knowing how to write cursive....Well, you can get away with it, but a person's handwriting is still very much suggestive of the extent of their intellectual development.  Even software engineers have to present on white boards in the conference rooms, so you'd better be able to at least PRINT like an adult and not a retarded child. Filling out an employment application in sloppy letters still indicates sloppy thinking, like it or not.

It will take time for all this to change.  A LONG time.
 
2014-07-27 09:45:14 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Every stupid person I have ever met could not read or write cursive.
Every person I have met that was intelligent or educated wrote in block printing cursive.
My mentally ill clearly more intelligent than I am brother prefers block printing.

Using cursive block printing means you are educated and intelligent.
Using block printing cursive means mental illness, stupidity or lack of education.


FTFY.

Seriously, it's 2014.  Nobody intelligent uses cursive any more, and hasn't since elementary school.  Only the severely mentally retarded have an irrational attachment to a writing style that lost its reason to exist with the invention of the typewriter and signifies nothing but mental illness with the current ubiquity of technology.
 
2014-07-27 09:45:15 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: lohphat: gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.

Cursive is not useless. It trains fine motor control skills that typing doesn't. It's not a matter of either/or but both are needed.

Teach kids to draw, then. Its a much cooler skill and can be marketable if they're good enough. You'd be teaching them to think about perspective and shiat too.


Again it's not either/or -- we learned all these skills in school. Why are you afraid of learning more than one thing?

Cursive is a constant-stream fine motor control skill, different from drawing.
 
2014-07-27 09:46:39 PM  

Oldiron_79: Cursive has been obsolete since we quit using quills and ink wells.


Exactly this.

Except that not even the hipsters still use cursive.
 
2014-07-27 09:47:06 PM  

DeathRaySanta: Guilty_plea_bargain: gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.

The most useless thing I was taught in school. Algebra.

Here's what somebody pointed out to me, many summers ago:

Have somebody stand a short distance away, and toss a baseball to you.

You track the ball's trajectory, and successfully catch it.

Congradulations! You've just done introductory trig.


You haven't, not really. You observed the ball's movement then extrapolated the rest of the arc from there. Your brain is not a computer. It works in a very different manner.
 
2014-07-27 09:48:20 PM  

maram500: I've been complemented on my handering more times than I can count. After steadfastly using block letters until seventh grade, I made the switch and haven't looked back.

Three years ago, I was marking up papers for one of my grad school professors. In red ink, I wrote--in cursive--my comments and remarks. Three undergrad juniors asked me what I had written because, as they said, "Dude, who writes in cursive?"

/Luckily, I didn't keep a bottle of bourbon in my desk
//Back then, anyway


Have you been complemented on your spelling?
 
2014-07-27 09:48:22 PM  
My handwriting was so bad that I took computer classes starting from an early age... eventually that turned into a career.  I'm a lefty, so when I would write a page of cursive, my had would drag across the page, and I would get ink or pencil on it.  I was also very bad at spelling, so having a spell checker really helped, as I could focus on the content I was writing, and not worry about misspelling a word.  I remember doing reports in elementary school, and asking the teacher how many pages typed, and what spacing and text size that they wanted - because I was the only one in the class using a computer.

I can write well today, but I have to really take my time.  I do think it is something that needs to be taught in school, as a handwritten note (such as a Thank You note) can be an important way to make a good impression.  I also think that speed reading should be taught in schools, as well as how to shake someones hand.
 
2014-07-27 09:48:40 PM  

lohphat: Why are you afraid of learning more than one thing?


It's a matter of time  and priorities. Students are learning less. The job market requires more. Isn't it possible that the time used for cursive could be used for something more practical?
 
2014-07-27 09:48:40 PM  
Anyone over 30 can now write in a secret code to foil nosy children!

www.picgifs.com

/ used to have a phone app to write in cursive and I deleted it...
 
2014-07-27 09:48:52 PM  

lohphat: gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.

Cursive is not useless. It trains fine motor control skills that typing doesn't. It's not a matter of either/or but both are needed.


Know what else teaches fine motor skills?

/Halo 4 MUST be part of every second-grade curriculum!
 
2014-07-27 09:49:12 PM  

lohphat: Shakin_Haitian: lohphat: gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.

Cursive is not useless. It trains fine motor control skills that typing doesn't. It's not a matter of either/or but both are needed.

Teach kids to draw, then. Its a much cooler skill and can be marketable if they're good enough. You'd be teaching them to think about perspective and shiat too.

Again it's not either/or -- we learned all these skills in school. Why are you afraid of learning more than one thing?

Cursive is a constant-stream fine motor control skill, different from drawing.


There is a finite amount of time available in school.  Wasting it on an obsolete writing style is counterproductive and stupid.
 
2014-07-27 09:50:45 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Ehcks,
Enemabag Jones: What is the difference between a signature and cursive. Isn't cursive a gateway drug to an original personal signature? If cursive isn't taught then where do signatures come from?
\I know this sounds like a troll, but it really isn't.
From now on, my signature is my name in military block lettering. Just for you.

I really like that.


Excepting my check/CC receipt signing, all of my handwriting is military block lettering. if you saw my sorry cursive, you'd realize it's a HUGE increase in legibility.
 
2014-07-27 09:51:57 PM  
Jeez Louise!  130+ replies in a thread about handwriting.  Farking losers!  Check the main page listing and have a look at the blue boobies in the naked smurf thread, and then make plans to get out of your mothers' basements.
 
2014-07-27 09:52:29 PM  

Guilty_plea_bargain: maram500: I've been complemented on my handering more times than I can count. After steadfastly using block letters until seventh grade, I made the switch and haven't looked back.

Three years ago, I was marking up papers for one of my grad school professors. In red ink, I wrote--in cursive--my comments and remarks. Three undergrad juniors asked me what I had written because, as they said, "Dude, who writes in cursive?"

/Luckily, I didn't keep a bottle of bourbon in my desk
//Back then, anyway

Have you been complemented on your spelling?


Four first-place finishes in spelling bees.

But I'm using an on-screen keyboard on my tablet to comment on Fark, so that's my excuse.
 
2014-07-27 09:53:22 PM  
What? Is this writing by hand still being taught?

Nonsense!

Our little snowflakes should only gesture vaguely at a surface - it should be up to the user interface hardware to determine what is meant.

We must end this handwriting foolishness. Also, speaking. Communicating with air through variably tightened "vocal cords" is... well it's just primitive.  It should all be vague gestures and brain wave pattern deciphering. There is hardware for that. Goodness, if I had had to physically type or dictate this message, I don't know how I could think of looking in a virtual mirror.
 
2014-07-27 09:53:47 PM  

aerojockey: ArcadianRefugee: because people don't seem to care about cursive, and so don't use it, and thus can't read it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

Great logic. Like, since our math scores are falling in the global sense, because people don't seem to care about it, and thus can't understand it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

False assumption on #2.  Lots of people care about math.  Universities and jobs both require it.  Very few people care about cursive.  That's the difference.  Yes, the fact that no one cares about cursive and no one writes it anymore and is therefore useless is reason enough not to force anyone to learn it.  Interested parties can take it as an archaeology elective if they want to.


False assumption. Millions of people in anglophone countries all around the world still write in cursive.
 
2014-07-27 09:54:39 PM  

DarkVader: Because teachers and school administrators are idiots.

Teach them to read it.  DO NOT teach them to write it.  It should NEVER be written again.


Behind this I could more likely get.
 
2014-07-27 09:55:22 PM  
For the same reason we don't use the metric system.For the same reason we still have pennies even though a nickel is worth what a penny used to be.For the same reason we still have dollar bills even though a dollar is worth about what a quarter used to be.Old people terrified of change. Even when change just makes sense.
 
2014-07-27 09:56:51 PM  

Wangiss: aerojockey: ArcadianRefugee: because people don't seem to care about cursive, and so don't use it, and thus can't read it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

Great logic. Like, since our math scores are falling in the global sense, because people don't seem to care about it, and thus can't understand it, we should stop trying to teach it to them, thus furthering the cycle.

False assumption on #2.  Lots of people care about math.  Universities and jobs both require it.  Very few people care about cursive.  That's the difference.  Yes, the fact that no one cares about cursive and no one writes it anymore and is therefore useless is reason enough not to force anyone to learn it.  Interested parties can take it as an archaeology elective if they want to.

False assumption. Millions of people in anglophone countries all around the world still write in cursive.


No they don't.  Not in real life.

It's used in school classes.  It's then rapidly discarded once a teacher is no longer demanding that obsolete writing style.
 
2014-07-27 09:59:47 PM  
In elementary school,  among required supplies was a nib pen. Never used them that I can recall.
Was taught cursive, but my handwriting became so bad it degenerated into block-letter cursive hybrid, so bad my dad made me take Saturday typing classes. Have never regretted that.
Years later, I kept a journal for a time, elected to use a fountain pen, and rediscovered my cursive skills. Doing so caused me to think and slow down, bringing more clarity of thought and expression to my notes.
We all know the worst results of hair-trigger keyboarding, so I stand on the side of teach-the-kids cursive, as it might be a rare chance they have to learn a communications skill that requires a little thought.
 
2014-07-27 10:00:10 PM  

ghare: For the same reason we don't use the metric system.For the same reason we still have pennies even though a nickel is worth what a penny used to be.For the same reason we still have dollar bills even though a dollar is worth about what a quarter used to be.Old people terrified of change. Even when change just makes sense.


I was SO looking forward to full conversion to the metric system when I was in elementary school.  It makes sense, unlike the garbage we're using now.

Ronald Reagan was the second worst president in this country's history.  Yes, that's only part of why, but it's not a small part.
 
2014-07-27 10:01:32 PM  

skaya: You should have sufficient mastery over your ability to write that it forms an accurate measure of your intelligence


And one of being a civilized person. Can you imagine the Constitution not being written in cursive?
 
2014-07-27 10:02:42 PM  
When the EMP bombs go off, you better know how to write.......
 
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