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(AZCentral)   With all the things kids have to learn today in order to be competitive in a global economy, why are schools still teaching cursive writing?   (azcentral.com) divider line 324
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2014-07-27 07:12:48 PM  
Because cursing is a gosh-darned important part of communication.
 
2014-07-27 07:49:44 PM  
I'm going to give you the same answer I gave my coworkers when I was teaching in Phoenix when they didn't want to teach D'Nealian writing. Those kids can produce the most beautiful graffiti. It's art. Truly.

All you need to do is apply some freaking pressure. Many of my former students have beautiful cursive writing.
 
2014-07-27 08:04:57 PM  
It's probably not as important to be able to write cursive as it is to be able to read it.
 
2014-07-27 08:18:34 PM  
Because despite what you think ITmitter, some of the old school skills are nice.
 
2014-07-27 08:23:41 PM  
You should have sufficient mastery over your ability to write that it forms an accurate measure of your intelligence
 
2014-07-27 08:25:52 PM  
The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.
 
2014-07-27 08:26:13 PM  
At some point in your life, somebody is going to write you a check. And you damned well should be able to sign it.
 
2014-07-27 08:27:43 PM  
Trolly McTroll. The Cursivists go apoplectic over this.
 
2014-07-27 08:28:25 PM  
FTFA Another student, Angel Guerra, said he thinks cursive is important because "there is a lot more writing in life than there is typing."

If this student truly believes this than the education system in Arizona has bigger problems than just teaching outdated courses.
 
2014-07-27 08:29:48 PM  
Oh look... it's this thread again
 
2014-07-27 08:29:56 PM  
Being able to read manuscripts makes children (and they adults they become) capable of understanding complicated political manuscripts that are a threat to my future dictatorship. I'm glad we're dumbing down education.
 
2014-07-27 08:30:02 PM  
One must know how to signature.
 
2014-07-27 08:30:34 PM  
I would rather take the time they use to teach cursive and use it to teach HTML or any scripting.
 
2014-07-27 08:30:42 PM  
*the, not they.
 
2014-07-27 08:30:50 PM  

ChrisDe: At some point in your life, somebody is going to write you a check. And you damned well should be able to sign it.


Your signature doesn't need to be in cursive. It just has to be something that will be recognized as your own mark. You could sign all your checks with a drawing of a penis if you wanted to.
 
2014-07-27 08:30:53 PM  
You see, when you lift your quill pen from the paper between letters in words it leaves blots.
 
2014-07-27 08:31:49 PM  
FTA:
"The standards require that students master keyboarding and a form of handwriting - that can be print or cursive, said Kathryn Hrabluk, associate superintendent for the Arizona Department of Education. "

It should be all or nothing.  Only teaching some will set up a situation in the future where the cursive haves will reign over the have nots.
 
2014-07-27 08:31:52 PM  
The last time I used cursive was in 6th grade, and that was only because the teacher required it. He would not accept homework in any other form.

I would type up and edit my book reports in a word processor in the computer (Apple IIe), and then when finalized, would print it out and transcribe it to paper, in cursive.

In 5th grade, the teacher was 22yo and right out of college, and he didn't even write in cursive himself.
 
2014-07-27 08:32:33 PM  

skaya: You should have sufficient mastery over your ability to write that it forms an accurate measure of your intelligence


9/10

My head almost exploded.
 
2014-07-27 08:32:48 PM  

gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.


We called that Typing Class and it was mainly for girls and the kind of guys who weren't interested in taking a shop class (if you know what I mean).


FTA :   "It's hard because you have to keep the pen down and connect the letters," said Luis Carlos Miranda

Here's the thing Luis.  You have to be able to write in order to consult with an attorney.
 
2014-07-27 08:32:56 PM  

jst3p: I would rather take the time they use to teach cursive and use it to teach HTML or any scripting.


1 lprint "Haha. Cursive is scripting."

Goto 1
 
2014-07-27 08:34:51 PM  

gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.


The most useless thing I was taught in school. Algebra.
 
2014-07-27 08:34:54 PM  

TomD9938: gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.

We called that Typing Class and it was mainly for girls and the kind of guys who weren't interested in taking a shop class (if you know what I mean).


FTA :   "It's hard because you have to keep the pen down and connect the letters," said Luis Carlos Miranda

Here's the thing Luis.  You have to be able to write in order to consult with an attorney.


If told then oh_snap
 
2014-07-27 08:35:11 PM  
What is the difference between a signature and cursive.  Isn't cursive a gateway drug to an original personal signature?  If cursive isn't taught then where do signatures come from?

\I know this sounds like a troll, but it really isn't.
 
2014-07-27 08:39:23 PM  

Wangiss: Being able to read manuscripts makes children (and they adults they become) capable of understanding complicated political manuscripts that are a threat to my future dictatorship. I'm glad we're dumbing down education.


Because no one has ever transcribed old manuscripts to print.

/reading script is still important for archaeologists
 
2014-07-27 08:40:41 PM  

skaya: You should have sufficient mastery over your ability to write that it forms an accurate measure of your intelligence


Thats kind of like saying that dancing is a good measure of intelligence. Some people have the moves and some people do not.
 
2014-07-27 08:40:52 PM  
Well, if you suspect that any child will have cause to read an original document from before the turn of the millennium, chances are they'll have to be able to at least decipher cursive writing.  The easiest way to do this is to teach children how to write in cursive so they can learn the letters and the various styles. Of course you could just devote that half hour a day or week to more test taking skills memorization and that is your choice.
 
2014-07-27 08:41:10 PM  
TomD9938
We called that Typing Class and it was mainly for girls and the kind of guys who weren't interested in taking a shop class (if you know what I mean).


So typing is for mezza fanooks.

Learning to type isn't for real men then.
 
2014-07-27 08:42:56 PM  
Because it is important to be able to read what is written on the back of old family photographs.

/Amongst my grandmother's photos are notes written in Shorthand describing the location and subjects of the photos (she was a legal secretary) my mother kept saying she needed to translate those, unfortunately she passed away before doing so.
 
2014-07-27 08:43:26 PM  
I guess you can just prove who you are and sign contracts with blood, like Gattaca.
 
2014-07-27 08:43:35 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: skaya: You should have sufficient mastery over your ability to write that it forms an accurate measure of your intelligence

9/10

My head almost exploded.


Mine too.
Perhaps, had it been posted in cursive it would have made sense.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: skaya: You should have sufficient mastery over your ability to write that it forms an accurate measure of your intelligence

Thats kind of like saying that dancing is a good measure of intelligence. Some people have the moves and some people do not.


No you simpleton; dancing is a good way to size up a bed partner, and sadly, has nothing to do with intelligence.
 
2014-07-27 08:43:51 PM  
Institutional inertia is difficult to overcome.
 
2014-07-27 08:44:08 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Thats kind of like saying that dancing is a good measure of intelligence. Some people have the moves and some people do not.

Everyone has dance moves, you just have to find the right ones:
www.gifsoup.com
/Dang!
 
2014-07-27 08:44:42 PM  
I rather they teach them something useful, like how to operate a shovel.


/ doesn't have kids
// thinks that most are annoying
 
2014-07-27 08:45:42 PM  
"It is a sort of rite of passage. I think there is artistic value in cursive ... also knowing how to read communication in cursive is something we should be able to do."

Oh.  When I write, I write in cursive, and while it's not the best penmanship, it is legible for those who know how to read it.  I unfortunately live in a house full of printers, sloppy block style and they can't decipher my writing any more than I can their printing.  We have a communications gap. Grocery lists are the worst, ick. Stepkid has taken to drawing hieroglyphics to what he wants brought home as I cannot read his bad, bad printing.

/thinks that cursive should continue to be taught and sloppy printers should have to take a course in at least how to read it.
//I still write letters and cards to friends and family, I would like for them to know who it's from
///refuses to print. I like the flow of cursive, but like email and texting better :)
 
2014-07-27 08:46:46 PM  
Couldn't agree more. I use a scribbled mess of cursive for my signature and thats it. Haven't use for anything since i stopped learning it in school. Of course i suppose preserving a lost art is partially the reason. I mean, look at how the Declaration of Independence was written, or the constitution. That was a norm for educated people who could even write back then. No one writes like that anymore, so seeing it as a lost art makes sense. Still, I ain't got use for it. In my line of work as long as i can write enough to get my point across and it's legible then I'm good.
 
2014-07-27 08:47:11 PM  
Why bother to learn to tell time on a clock with hands. Why do Navy officers have to learn to navigate with a sextant?
Its just useful to have certain skills.
I was never taught cursive. My penmanship was and is too ugly.
But I picked it up an I can read it and write it.
Cursive is not Mandarin Chinese. Its not difficult to master, and good penmanship reflects well on the writer as does proper grammar and punctuation.
Good communication skills go a long way toward making a good impression.
 
2014-07-27 08:47:46 PM  

rogue49: I guess you can just prove who you are and sign contracts with blood, like Gattaca.


The legal definition of a signature is "any mark made with the intent to authenticate a document", so cursive is not required for a "signature". IIRC, the court case that decided the legal definition involve tobacco spit.
 
2014-07-27 08:47:58 PM  

Guilty_plea_bargain: gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.

The most useless thing I was taught in school. Algebra.


Here's what somebody pointed out to me, many summers ago:

Have somebody stand a short distance away, and toss a baseball to you.

You track the ball's trajectory, and successfully catch it.

Congradulations! You've just done introductory trig.
 
2014-07-27 08:48:01 PM  
A mix of cursive and print letters is the sign of educated, efficient handwriting. Meanwhile, I know people born just a few years after me who write their (print) letters like crooked tombstones in a graveyard.

Here is an example of the sort of cursive/print hybrid:
4.bp.blogspot.com
That is not the best handwriting, but you can tell they learned cursive and still link frequent letter pairs.
 
2014-07-27 08:48:06 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: skaya: You should have sufficient mastery over your ability to write that it forms an accurate measure of your intelligence

Thats kind of like saying that dancing is a good measure of intelligence. Some people have the moves and some people do not.


If I had poor cursive handwriting, that would correlate to my intelligence level being below average?

Chicken scratcher here.
 
2014-07-27 08:48:16 PM  
Kids should be taught to write in Comic Sans.
 
2014-07-27 08:48:30 PM  

ChrisDe: At some point in your life, somebody is going to write you a check. And you damned well should be able to sign it.


Signatures on a check look like a seizured chicken anyway,  and there isn't anything stopping anyone from printing their name instead of signing anything that would need signing.  Maybe back in olden times it was a bit of a security thing but it's not these days,  it doesn't matter anymore.
 
2014-07-27 08:48:31 PM  

gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.


This.

odinsposse: ChrisDe: At some point in your life, somebody is going to write you a check. And you damned well should be able to sign it.

Your signature doesn't need to be in cursive. It just has to be something that will be recognized as your own mark. You could sign all your checks with a drawing of a penis if you wanted to.


And that.

My cursive writing sucks. My handwriting in general sucks. But when I have to sign something at work, it's easy to tell what my signature is. As long as you have some sort of distinctive markings in your signature, you're probably going to be alright.
 
2014-07-27 08:50:10 PM  

DeathRaySanta: Guilty_plea_bargain: gingerjet: The most useless thing I was taught in school?  Cursive writing.  The most useful thing I was taught in school?  Keyboarding.

The most useless thing I was taught in school. Algebra.

Here's what somebody pointed out to me, many summers ago:

Have somebody stand a short distance away, and toss a baseball to you.

You track the ball's trajectory, and successfully catch it.

Congradulations! You've just done introductory trig.


Actually, it is Calculus. Newtonian mechanics to be specific.
 
2014-07-27 08:50:38 PM  
I also think that whether you continue to use it or not, cursive teaches you a neater hand.

/YMMV
 
2014-07-27 08:51:13 PM  
For writing checks, silly.
 
2014-07-27 08:51:47 PM  

dstrick44: Why bother to learn to tell time on a clock with hands. Why do Navy officers have to learn to navigate with a sextant?
Its just useful to have certain skills.
I was never taught cursive. My penmanship was and is too ugly.
But I picked it up an I can read it and write it.
Cursive is not Mandarin Chinese. Its not difficult to master, and good penmanship reflects well on the writer as does proper grammar and punctuation.
Good communication skills go a long way toward making a good impression.


I loved your post :) and thank you for it.
 
2014-07-27 08:52:04 PM  

Enemabag Jones: What is the difference between a signature and cursive.  Isn't cursive a gateway drug to an original personal signature?  If cursive isn't taught then where do signatures come from?

\I know this sounds like a troll, but it really isn't.


From now on, my signature is my name in military block lettering. Just for you.
 
2014-07-27 08:53:04 PM  

Enemabag Jones: TomD9938
We called that Typing Class and it was mainly for girls and the kind of guys who weren't interested in taking a shop class (if you know what I mean).

So typing is for mezza fanooks.

Learning to type isn't for real men then.


Not sure if those are statements or questions exactly.

I will say that in the early / mid eighties, most guys would say there was no good reason to take a typing class (save for journo - wannabees).  Of course none of us imagined the time we'd ultimately put in over a keyboard.

As an aside, my dad (born 1936) was a hard drinking high school drop out who made his living with his hands as an auto mechanic and later as a general contractor.

As rough as his origins were and as limited as his education, he had positively beautiful hand writing.
 
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