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(The New York Times)   Taliban poised to retake southern province of Kandahar, an event that pretty much nullifies everything the US and the west did in Afghanistan for 13 years   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2014-07-27 04:50:44 PM  
It was going to happen no matter when we left.  It was rather obvious they were just going to wait us out.
 
2014-07-27 04:58:02 PM  
We never should have gotten involved in that 5th world sh*thole in the first place
 
2014-07-27 05:07:51 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: We never should have gotten involved in that 5th world sh*thole in the first place


No. After 9/11 you should have hit it with your full force with all your allies instead of getting involved with Iraq. Hell I bet if Bush had sold it right even Russia would have joined.
 
2014-07-27 05:13:14 PM  
Is anybody surprised? The Russians couldn't do it. Alexander the Great couldn't do it. Afghanistan is God's dumpster. Leave it alone.

sithon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We never should have gotten involved in that 5th world sh*thole in the first place

No. After 9/11 you should have hit it with your full force with all your allies instead of getting involved with Iraq. Hell I bet if Bush had sold it right even Russia would have joined.


The plans had been drawn up since 1997 to go to Iraq. Probably earlier. Limiting our invasion to Afghanistan was never an option.
 
2014-07-27 05:18:12 PM  

sithon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We never should have gotten involved in that 5th world sh*thole in the first place

No. After 9/11 you should have hit it with your full force with all your allies instead of getting involved with Iraq. Hell I bet if Bush had sold it right even Russia would have joined.


With what goal?

/hell, the guy we were allegedly looking for wasn't even in that sh*thole
//he was in the sh*thole next door
///our "allies"
 
2014-07-27 05:19:36 PM  
We're not going to give up KAF, are we?
 
2014-07-27 05:38:34 PM  
We "did" something?

What, exactly?
 
2014-07-27 05:55:09 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Is anybody surprised? The Russians couldn't do it. Alexander the Great couldn't do it. Afghanistan is God's dumpster. Leave it alone.

sithon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We never should have gotten involved in that 5th world sh*thole in the first place

No. After 9/11 you should have hit it with your full force with all your allies instead of getting involved with Iraq. Hell I bet if Bush had sold it right even Russia would have joined.

The plans had been drawn up since 1997 to go to Iraq. Probably earlier. Limiting our invasion to Afghanistan was never an option.


We have plans drawn up to invade a lot of places.  That doesn't mean we have to.
 
2014-07-27 05:57:22 PM  

sithon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We never should have gotten involved in that 5th world sh*thole in the first place

No. After 9/11 you should have hit it with your full force with all your allies instead of getting involved with Iraq. Hell I bet if Bush had sold it right even Russia would have joined.


Which one had oil? Afghanistan or Iraq?
 
2014-07-27 06:09:37 PM  

doyner: ecmoRandomNumbers: Is anybody surprised? The Russians couldn't do it. Alexander the Great couldn't do it. Afghanistan is God's dumpster. Leave it alone.

sithon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We never should have gotten involved in that 5th world sh*thole in the first place

No. After 9/11 you should have hit it with your full force with all your allies instead of getting involved with Iraq. Hell I bet if Bush had sold it right even Russia would have joined.

The plans had been drawn up since 1997 to go to Iraq. Probably earlier. Limiting our invasion to Afghanistan was never an option.

We have plans drawn up to invade a lot of places.  That doesn't mean we have to.


No but it means that we absolutely will when we keep re-electing Nixon's sociopaths. Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle -- these guys have been haunting the halls of power in DC for longer than I've been alive. The invasion of Iraq was a masturbation fantasy these guys had been working on for a long time. And if you think they're gone or have given up after 8 years of Obama, you'd be wrong.

They're not going away. There is a power structure in place that won't rest until we've destroyed ourselves trying to take over Iran.
 
2014-07-27 06:18:50 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: doyner: ecmoRandomNumbers: Is anybody surprised? The Russians couldn't do it. Alexander the Great couldn't do it. Afghanistan is God's dumpster. Leave it alone.

sithon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We never should have gotten involved in that 5th world sh*thole in the first place

No. After 9/11 you should have hit it with your full force with all your allies instead of getting involved with Iraq. Hell I bet if Bush had sold it right even Russia would have joined.

The plans had been drawn up since 1997 to go to Iraq. Probably earlier. Limiting our invasion to Afghanistan was never an option.

We have plans drawn up to invade a lot of places.  That doesn't mean we have to.

No but it means that we absolutely will when we keep re-electing Nixon's sociopaths. Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle -- these guys have been haunting the halls of power in DC for longer than I've been alive. The invasion of Iraq was a masturbation fantasy these guys had been working on for a long time. And if you think they're gone or have given up after 8 years of Obama, you'd be wrong.

They're not going away. There is a power structure in place that won't rest until we've destroyed ourselves trying to take over Iran.


I really hate that you're right.
 
2014-07-27 07:14:29 PM  

dj_bigbird: Which one had oil? Afghanistan or Iraq?


As it turns out, North Dakota.
 
2014-07-27 07:59:28 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: We "did" something?

What, exactly?


Well ... we got blown up a lot.
 
2014-07-27 08:23:47 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: We "did" something?

What, exactly?


Killed thousands and thousands of Iraqis. Also stoked a sectarian war.
 
2014-07-27 08:27:18 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: We never should have gotten involved in that 5th world sh*thole in the first place


No, we needed to nuke Tora Bora in '01.  That would have put an end to the Taliban and most Islamic terrorism in one fell swoop.
 
2014-07-27 08:30:52 PM  
So is Subby signing up to be part of a 250,000 person surge to stop them?
 
2014-07-27 08:31:02 PM  
If this is what the Taliban are fighting with, Afghanistan is screwed indeed. As are most of us!

i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-27 08:31:12 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: We "did" something?

What, exactly?


Ran up a huge tab that didn't even include good things like hookers and blow :/
 
2014-07-27 08:33:11 PM  
Sweet,  and my son will be deployed back there again in a month or so.  Good News.

/not really
 
2014-07-27 08:38:15 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Marcus Aurelius: We "did" something?

What, exactly?

Ran up a huge tab that didn't even include good things like hookers and blow :/


What do you mean the executives at Halliburton and Black Water had plenty of money for hookers and blow!
 
2014-07-27 08:38:52 PM  
And what exactly did we do? Can anyone actually answer this question? Were we supposed to stay there forever?
 
2014-07-27 08:38:53 PM  
boingboing.net
 
2014-07-27 08:38:57 PM  

AeAe: Also stoked a sectarian war.


And that's something that's quite difficult to do in that part of the world.
 
2014-07-27 08:39:49 PM  
Who wants to be the one to tell the veterans they were put in harm's way to put some draft dodger fascists in the history books as the great Middle East conquerors?
 
2014-07-27 08:42:09 PM  
So, I guess it's on to Tehran?
 
2014-07-27 08:42:43 PM  

austin_millbarge: And what exactly did we do? Can anyone actually answer this question? Were we supposed to stay there forever?


We ostensibly toppled a regime that harbored the greatest terrorist the world has known, a man whose criminal acts irrevocably altered out country, and played coy about whether he was there or not when we told them to cough him up. We wanted to root out these people, put them down, and try to do something with the country so that it would not feel the need to harbor such people again. Well, they outlasted our political will, and the same people that harbored bin Laden are bent on taking over the country again. I guess if there is a lesson here, we now know exactly what to do if they start harboring terrorists who attack the US in such a fashion ever again. And it won't require any troops on the ground.
 
2014-07-27 08:43:09 PM  
I didn't support the war to get rid of the Taliban, I supported the war to get Osama and his crew.  We farked that up royally, sure, but, as soon as we did get Osama, in a different country, yes, but that's not important right now, stay with me, then we had accomplished in Afghanistan all I wanted us to accomplish. So, this news neither disheartens or surprises me.  Declare victory, and get out.
 
2014-07-27 08:44:25 PM  
Hey now, sure, they got some land back.

But don't forget about us killing all those people.

They can never take that away from us!!

/Muricah pride
 
2014-07-27 08:45:13 PM  
At least it's not a quagmire.
 
2014-07-27 08:45:27 PM  

sdd2000: tinfoil-hat maggie: Marcus Aurelius: We "did" something?

What, exactly?

Ran up a huge tab that didn't even include good things like hookers and blow :/

What do you mean the executives at Halliburton and Black Water had plenty of money for hookers and blow!


Belive it or not hookers and blow was the real reason for the invasion in the first place.
 
2014-07-27 08:45:28 PM  

RyogaM: Declare victory, and get out.


No, we lost.
 
2014-07-27 08:45:36 PM  

sdd2000: tinfoil-hat maggie: Marcus Aurelius: We "did" something?

What, exactly?

Ran up a huge tab that didn't even include good things like hookers and blow :/

What do you mean the executives at Halliburton and Black Water had plenty of money for hookers and blow!


Oh yea correction noted : )
/Pretty sure Jr went back to the nose candy during the '04 election.
//He was sniffling an awful lot then.
 
2014-07-27 08:45:50 PM  
This is what happens when we don't really understand WTF we are trying to accomplish.

Just spray Agent Orange on the poppy fields and leave.
 
2014-07-27 08:50:24 PM  
We had a chance to kill them all, and we blew it.
 
2014-07-27 08:51:03 PM  

Nabb1: austin_millbarge: And what exactly did we do? Can anyone actually answer this question? Were we supposed to stay there forever?

We ostensibly toppled a regime that harbored the greatest terrorist the world has known,


I stopped reading there as it's obvious your head is so far up your ass as to make breathing impossible.
 
2014-07-27 08:51:40 PM  
I was assured that the Taliban were the moral equivalent of our founding fathers.
So what's the problem?
 
2014-07-27 08:53:47 PM  
We actually did quite a bit, but as far as afghanistan goes, nothing stuck. Nothing ever sticks. The key thing we did was give us unrestricted access in the area for military operations, which allowed us to gather vast amounts of intel and shut down the al queda network financially.

I mean... BUshiatLER!
 
2014-07-27 08:54:49 PM  
The good thing about this is that if we are attacked again, we can respond with nukes since conventional means won't work. I ASSURE you that nukes will work. No boots on the ground, no protacted engagement, just boom, fark off and EABOD!
 
2014-07-27 08:55:05 PM  
Mishun akomlisht! Now we have sufficiently poked the hornet's nest to insure a steady supply of enemies to justify more invasion, deaths and, most important, profits for industry. Yay!
 
2014-07-27 08:59:13 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: We "did" something?

What, exactly?


Spent a fark-ton of money.
 
2014-07-27 09:00:11 PM  
"Just spray Agent Orange on the poppy fields and leave"

If I were Prez, I'd have the boffins in DARPA and the other alphabet agencies with technological means, secretly infect every poppy field in Afghanistan with something that would kill opium poppies (and ONLY Opium Poppies)  with 99 percent lethality, and prevent the crop from returning.  We'd have to ride out a wave of destabilized crime here, but afterwards, those goat farkers would have to find some other crops to grow, and the lack of incoming drug money would do to the talibs, what all our troops couldn't.
 
2014-07-27 09:00:35 PM  

Snowrise: We're not going to give up KAF, are we?


No, but we just might let them down, run around and desert them.
 
2014-07-27 09:01:48 PM  
Uhh...that's because they live there?? A lesson learned of most far-flung empires.
 
2014-07-27 09:03:24 PM  

wambu: This is what happens when we don't really understand WTF we are trying to accomplish.

Just spray Agent Orange on the poppy fields and leave.


Instead of trying to destroy the poppy fields, the Americans and their allies should have been buying the poppies from Afghan farmers.  They should have paid double what the Taliban were paying.  They should have then turned around and sold those poppies to pharmaceutical companies to make legitimate painkilling medicine.

It would have starved the Taliban and their Pakistani allies of heroin funds, it would have built won hearts and minds on the ground, and it would eased the shortage of painkillers in our health care systems.  But we couldn't do that.  Because of the war on drugs!  Jesus would have wept if we had paid Afghan farmers for their poppy crops!

/the same is true of poppy farmers in South America ... instead of destroying their crops, buy the damn things off of them while outbidding the cartels.  Our leaders are either corrupt or idiots.
 
2014-07-27 09:05:00 PM  
The battle raged for 10 hours as policemen fought for the compound, but their commander and five of his men were killed in the fighting as they ran out of ammunition,

Not surprising at all.

I've never once seen an an Iraqi or Afghani aim a rifle.
 
2014-07-27 09:07:01 PM  
Wow, news flash, you can't change an entire culture in 13 years. If we want to completely change Afghanistan, we ought to declare ourselves an empire and occupy it indefinitely. Or alternatively, we could just spend our billions back home instead.
 
2014-07-27 09:07:18 PM  

Friction8r: The good thing about this is that if we are attacked again, we can respond with nukes since conventional means won't work. I ASSURE you that nukes will work. No boots on the ground, no protacted engagement, just boom, fark off and EABOD!


I want to know when nanites will be weaponized.  I welcome you tiny machine lords!!!
 
2014-07-27 09:08:19 PM  
I didn't get that from the article at all Subby.

I got that the Taliban tried to attack certain parts of southern Afghanistan, that they were repelled from successfully attacking the province's security chief's compound and that a few police/soldiers were killed.

But doesn't sound like it was too successful.

Why do you want the Taliban to succeed Subby?
 
2014-07-27 09:09:51 PM  

RyogaM: I didn't support the war to get rid of the Taliban, I supported the war to get Osama and his crew.  We farked that up royally, sure, but, as soon as we did get Osama, in a different country, yes, but that's not important right now, stay with me, then we had accomplished in Afghanistan all I wanted us to accomplish. So, this news neither disheartens or surprises me.  Declare victory, and get out.


While your fantasy world is all rainbows and unicorns, there was no farking way we were going to be able to go looking for Osama in Afghanistan without declaring war on the Taliban. They were harboring him and would not give him up. How were we supposed to get him without declaring war on the Taliban, exactly?
 
2014-07-27 09:11:00 PM  
Western forces have been trying to subdue those fanatics for hundreds of years. I find it humorous that American politicians thought that they would be the exception to the rule.
 
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