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(NewsMax)   In a decision so outrageously wrong that even the ancient Romans said "AH, HELL NO" to in their time, Governor PerfectHair plans to give National Guard soldiers the powers to arrest people   (newsmax.com ) divider line
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2014-07-27 03:31:31 PM  
Hey. What could go wrong?

www.wearysloth.com
 
2014-07-27 03:46:39 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Hey. What could go wrong?


Preatorians weren't technically part of the Roman army. Kinda like how the SS were separate from the Wermacht.
 
2014-07-27 03:52:38 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Hey. What could go wrong?

[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]


He looks wrong with hair.
 
2014-07-27 04:10:59 PM  
Federalized National Guard Troops.

How much popcorn should I get when that happens?
 
2014-07-27 04:14:10 PM  
posse comitatus?
 
2014-07-27 04:14:14 PM  
This will not end well.
 
2014-07-27 04:16:19 PM  
Oh great this went green and I godwinned the second post
 
2014-07-27 04:19:33 PM  
These refugees are seeking out authorities and surrendering to them. I don't know what Perry thinks he's accomplishing. Pandering to racists? Pandering to teabaggers? Pandering to wingnut separatists? Really, I can't guess.
 
2014-07-27 04:20:15 PM  

Notabunny: These refugees are seeking out authorities and surrendering to them. I don't know what Perry thinks he's accomplishing. Pandering to racists? Pandering to teabaggers? Pandering to wingnut separatists? Really, I can't guess.


One thing's for sure, he's pandering.
 
2014-07-27 04:25:42 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Notabunny: These refugees are seeking out authorities and surrendering to them. I don't know what Perry thinks he's accomplishing. Pandering to racists? Pandering to teabaggers? Pandering to wingnut separatists? Really, I can't guess.

One thing's for sure, he's pandering.


Presumably, Perry is doing this in preparation for 2016. But what is he gaining? If he becomes the Republican nominee, the far right will automatically vote for him. Does Perry think floating down a river with a 50 caliber gun in search of refugee children is going to make him more popular with moderates, independents, and liberals? I just don't get it.
 
2014-07-27 04:30:50 PM  

Notabunny: These refugees are seeking out authorities and surrendering to them. I don't know what Perry thinks he's accomplishing. Pandering to racists? Pandering to teabaggers? Pandering to wingnut separatists? Really, I can't guess.



Setting up a potential tragedy?
 
2014-07-27 04:31:23 PM  
In the past, the National Guard has not had the power to make arrests or apprehend people in cases when the federal government authorizes their deployment, but because Perry authorized it himself, the law allows for him to grant the National Guard those powers.

I guess he's given up on getting the feds to cover the cost of this boondoggle.
 
2014-07-27 04:33:11 PM  

Notabunny: Gecko Gingrich: Notabunny: These refugees are seeking out authorities and surrendering to them. I don't know what Perry thinks he's accomplishing. Pandering to racists? Pandering to teabaggers? Pandering to wingnut separatists? Really, I can't guess.

One thing's for sure, he's pandering.

Presumably, Perry is doing this in preparation for 2016. But what is he gaining? If he becomes the Republican nominee, the far right will automatically vote for him. Does Perry think floating down a river with a 50 caliber gun in search of refugee children is going to make him more popular with moderates, independents, and liberals? I just don't get it.


Perry for President in 2016?

Feudal dreams.
 
2014-07-27 04:34:22 PM  
I'm not so sure it's a violation of Title 32, but it sure doesn't look good.
 
2014-07-27 04:34:52 PM  
I'm sure every arrest made will be completely by the book.  Not a single 18 or 19 year old private who joined the guard to help pay for college will ever forget to read a suspect their Miranda rights in a language they understand and will all searches will be conducted in a 100% legal manner.
 
2014-07-27 04:39:13 PM  
I didn't even notice he has perfect hair. I've been staring dreamily into his smart windows.
 
2014-07-27 04:42:44 PM  

FlashHarry: posse comitatus?


Nope. The Posse Comitatus Act prevents federal troops from enforcing state laws and does not apply to the National Guard. That doesn't mean I like it, but there's no law barring it AFAIK.
 
2014-07-27 04:48:00 PM  

FlashHarry: posse comitatus?


Covers only the Army and Air Force. The Navy is bound by a mirrored regulation at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense.
 
2014-07-27 04:48:00 PM  

Nabb1: FlashHarry: posse comitatus?

Nope. The Posse Comitatus Act prevents federal troops from enforcing state laws and does not apply to the National Guard. That doesn't mean I like it, but there's no law barring it AFAIK.


Yup.  It would be a ballsy move if Obama activated them though.  He could then have them escort the busses that transport the kids to the processing centers.  That would be LULZY.
 
2014-07-27 04:50:56 PM  
Not "people", subby.  "Mexicans".  Or anyone Mexican looking.  Even though that's half the population of south Texas.
 
2014-07-27 05:04:16 PM  
Yeah, this will have no possible repercussions that could cause him problems in the future. Or have any possible repercussions with giving young men and women without any law enforcement training authorization beyond their training and scope. I'm sure that this will certainly have no blow back. Proceed Governor, and good luck with that...

Poor, dumb bastiche is going to get exactly what he wants, and he's far too dumb to see that, and I feel bad for the folks who are going to have to pay for this more than just monetarily...
 
2014-07-27 05:08:23 PM  
OK - Perry is a mystery to me on the best of days... but I'm with you guys.   What in the actual FARK is he trying to accomplish with this?  It does occur to me, he may not be pandering but may actually be trying to think for himself, here.  Cthulhu help us all.
 
2014-07-27 05:14:00 PM  
If the guardsmen are given police powers by Perry deputizing them as special Texas rangers or similar I wonder how long it will take until the use of deadly force comes about. If they are acting as police will sovereign immunity be attached to their actions. If Perry's plan is to move the illegal border crossings to other states by having a few guardsmen shoot a few after yelling "jimbo they are coming right at us" it could work, immoral yes but possibly effective. If news filtered south that trying to cross the Texas border means getting shot at, NM desert would look a lot better to cross.
 
2014-07-27 05:17:45 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: OK - Perry is a mystery to me on the best of days... but I'm with you guys.   What in the actual FARK is he trying to accomplish with this?  It does occur to me, he may not be pandering but may actually be trying to think for himself, here.  Cthulhu help us all.


I wonder if Perry has some unskewed poll numbers which show that treating child refugees like criminals is really popular outside of his base.
 
2014-07-27 05:19:02 PM  
I wonder if there won't be some necessary assignment overseas coming up for the Texas National Guard.
 
2014-07-27 05:58:33 PM  
Wow it's a crappy time to be a rational Texan.
 
2014-07-27 06:02:27 PM  

One Bad Apple: FlashHarry: posse comitatus?

Covers only the Army and Air Force. The Navy is bound by a mirrored regulation at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense.


Also only applies to Guard units under federal orders.
 
2014-07-27 06:02:42 PM  

b2theory: Wow it's a crappy time to be a rational Texan.


You mean a day ending in "y?"
 
2014-07-27 06:03:44 PM  

One Bad Apple: The Navy is bound by a mirrored regulation at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense.


It kind of helps when there's no such thing as a Navy National Guard.
 
2014-07-27 06:04:43 PM  
Why would they need that when they already have the power to shoot people? I mean, it's not like there's some woman wailing over a dead body on a college campus that could dissuade them...

/...at least, not from a Texas college campus...
 
2014-07-27 06:05:26 PM  
Mexico declares war on America in 3...2...
 
2014-07-27 06:06:02 PM  
You'd think so-called "Conservatives" and Teatardos would oppose something like this.
 
2014-07-27 06:07:02 PM  

Karac: I'm sure every arrest made will be completely by the book.  Not a single 18 or 19 year old private who joined the guard to help pay for college will ever forget to read a suspect their Miranda rights in a language they understand and will all searches will be conducted in a 100% legal manner.


Which they don't have to do, in any language, until they start questioning them.  And I highly doubt Gov. NoCowboyBoots will let them question any of these arrestees.
 
2014-07-27 06:07:23 PM  
petapixel.com

Another notable time in which accountants and mechanics were called up to enforce law by the governor.
 
2014-07-27 06:07:26 PM  

b2theory: Wow it's a crappy time to be a rational Texan.


I hang my head in shame.
 
2014-07-27 06:08:15 PM  
¡Recuerde que los latinos, votar Perry / Palin en 2016!
 
2014-07-27 06:09:06 PM  
This is where I stopped reading:

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2014-07-27 06:09:22 PM  

Notabunny: These refugees are seeking out authorities and surrendering to them. I don't know what Perry thinks he's accomplishing. Pandering to racists? Pandering to teabaggers? Pandering to wingnut separatists? Really, I can't guess.


Yes, please, someone answer this question, even if you give the NG arrest powers, all that accomplishes is that the refugees surrender themselves into the hands of the authorities faster and easier than before.  What is this supposed to do?
 
2014-07-27 06:09:35 PM  
It's governor goodhair, subby. Get it right.

Also, smart windows? *whosawesomepuppy.jpg*

Niiiiice.
 
2014-07-27 06:13:15 PM  

Notabunny: resumably, Perry is doing this in preparation for 2016. But what is he gaining? If he becomes the Republican nominee, the far right will automatically vote for him. Does Perry think floating down a river with a 50 caliber gun in search of refugee children is going to make him more popular with moderates, independents, and liberals? I just don't get it.


In answer to the original question, he's pandering to the far right of the Republican Party. This is him campaigning for the GOP nomination.
 
2014-07-27 06:14:30 PM  

RyogaM: Notabunny: These refugees are seeking out authorities and surrendering to them. I don't know what Perry thinks he's accomplishing. Pandering to racists? Pandering to teabaggers? Pandering to wingnut separatists? Really, I can't guess.

Yes, please, someone answer this question, even if you give the NG arrest powers, all that accomplishes is that the refugees surrender themselves into the hands of the authorities faster and easier than before.  What is this supposed to do?


It makes Perry look like he is Doing Something to address the immigration "crisis" as Obama sits on his hands and/or "throws open ar borderz" as the Teahadist brigade is accusing him of doing. In reality, it does nothing, because the National Guard has no authority over immigrants crossing the border--they are the responsibility of the FEDERAL authorities (ICE and the Border Patrol) and the best the National Guard can do is hand them over to the Feds immediately upon capture.

Perry is trying to present himself as the savior of the border; and all his Teahadist minions will cheer him on, until one of his National Guard thugs oversteps, kills some kids or arrests a carload of Mexican-American citizens on their way to their jobs in El Paso, and then he'll backpedal so fast the Earth's rotation will probably slow down. And try to blame it on Obama, no doubt.
 
2014-07-27 06:15:28 PM  
if we're lucky the arrest gov hair
 
2014-07-27 06:15:34 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: One Bad Apple: FlashHarry: posse comitatus?

Covers only the Army and Air Force. The Navy is bound by a mirrored regulation at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense.

The navy is a bunch of pussbags anyway so its not like they're worth a shiat


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2014-07-27 06:16:35 PM  
Evil detected
 
2014-07-27 06:17:19 PM  

Notabunny: Gecko Gingrich: Notabunny: These refugees are seeking out authorities and surrendering to them. I don't know what Perry thinks he's accomplishing. Pandering to racists? Pandering to teabaggers? Pandering to wingnut separatists? Really, I can't guess.

One thing's for sure, he's pandering.

Presumably, Perry is doing this in preparation for 2016. But what is he gaining? If he becomes the Republican nominee, the far right will automatically vote for him. Does Perry think floating down a river with a 50 caliber gun in search of refugee children is going to make him more popular with moderates, independents, and liberals? I just don't get it.


"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

- Barry Goldwater
 
2014-07-27 06:17:45 PM  

AirForceVet: Notabunny: Gecko Gingrich: Notabunny: These refugees are seeking out authorities and surrendering to them. I don't know what Perry thinks he's accomplishing. Pandering to racists? Pandering to teabaggers? Pandering to wingnut separatists? Really, I can't guess.

One thing's for sure, he's pandering.

Presumably, Perry is doing this in preparation for 2016. But what is he gaining? If he becomes the Republican nominee, the far right will automatically vote for him. Does Perry think floating down a river with a 50 caliber gun in search of refugee children is going to make him more popular with moderates, independents, and liberals? I just don't get it.

Perry for President in 2016?

Feudal Futile dreams.


FTFY.
 
2014-07-27 06:20:15 PM  

Bslim: You'd think so-called "Conservatives" and Teatardos would oppose something like this.


Not if you understand that they do all their libertarian posturing to mask their underlying intensely authoritarian mindset.

And I'm using "authoritarian" here according to its real meaning, not the meaning assigned to it by far right "libertarians" trying to draw false equivalence between progressives, who believe in a lawfully ordered society, and conservatives, who believe in arbitrary assertions of power, contempt for law, reverence for law enforcement unrestricted by law, brutal law enforcement tactics, and draconian punishments.
 
2014-07-27 06:21:40 PM  
Christ have mercy. What the hell does he think this is going to accomplish? You are going to take a bunch of people who are store clerks, mechanics, office workers normally, but go to training one weekend every month and put them on the border to arrest people without any law enforcement training? What kind of idiot would think something like that is a good idea? Does he understand what the National Guard is? I can just about guarantee that this is going to end with a bunch of Guardsmen being charged with serious crimes.
 
2014-07-27 06:21:45 PM  
Have you tried prayer yet?

It's cheaper, and I'm told it can totally accomplish anything.
 
2014-07-27 06:22:24 PM  
FTFA: "Perry intends to ask the administration to pay for the estimated $12 million a month to deploy the National Guard on the basis that federal laws allow the Pentagon to pay for such deployments but it remains to be seen whether Texas would quality for reimbursement in this instance."

Oh hell no! Fark you Governor Perry. You've given way too many speeches about wasteful federal spending and boot-strappy state policies to expect the rest of the nation to pay for your deployment decisions. Fark that.
 
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