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(The New York Times)   Repeal Prohibition, again   (nytimes.com) divider line 97
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2014-07-27 06:23:27 PM  
a few months back a gang of marijuanas broke into my cousin's apartment and took turns raping her. She caught pregnancy and now has a marijuana growing inside of her; and since she's adamantly pro-life, she's going to carry the baby to term. Is this what you people want?  This stuff is already illegal and look at what happened. Imagine the magnitude of filth that will arise if it's legalized. The consequences will never be the same.
 
2014-07-27 06:27:34 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Lots and lots of white people smoke pot.


I know of at least three or four white people that DON'T smoke pot.
 
2014-07-27 06:28:04 PM  

worlddan: No, the real solution is to reinstall prohibition for alcohol. But that will never happen.  So we might as well go wild and legalize everything and let America drug itself into the oblivion of history.



Bullshiat.  Darwin takes the hindmost (and those who can't find the vaults of erowid), most use whatever substance in moderation, others simply don't bother/ and those who feel they have a problem go for treatment (~10% of users of most every substance).

Want to get so drunk in your backyard that you pass out and aspirate to death on your own vomit?  Your choice.
Want to sit in your living room and hot shot Heroin and die from the pulmonary edema?  Your choice
Interfere with the life or liberty of fellow citizens while under the influence of ANY substance?  Mandatory treatment/Mandatory Minimums
 
2014-07-27 06:29:34 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Target Builder: "There are no perfect answers to people's legitimate concerns about marijuana use."..What legitimate concerns? Long term heavy abuse of soft drinks seems to be more harmful than similarly heavy use of pot.

Probably use while driving or operating heavy machinery. I never had a problem driving, but I could see studies showing that reflex time is slowed. And the effects the article mentioned about adolescents' brains.

Treat it like alcohol. 21 and over, no driving.  Problems solved.


Not at all.
Pot inebriated drivers can walk a straight line, touch their nose, fail to demonstrate nystagmus and can count backward.
When they stop giggling.
In all honesty, there is no reliable field sobriety test for marijuana and it does not cause the toxic effects and loss of motor control seen with alcohol.
 
2014-07-27 06:29:49 PM  
Serious Black:

I'm getting sick and tired of this "we can't apply the experience of one group of people to us because reasons" bullshiat. We're supposed to be an exceptional country. Why the hell can't an exceptional country do what other (subtext: less exceptional) countries have already proven they can do?

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-27 06:31:50 PM  
Ban guns!
 
2014-07-27 06:33:11 PM  

Professor Farksworth: worlddan: give me doughnuts: worlddan: No, the real solution is to reinstall prohibition for alcohol. But that will never happen.  So we might as well go wild and legalize everything and let America drug itself into the oblivion of history.

You know what didn't go up when Portugal decriminalized all drugs?

Drug use.

Because the experience of a culturally homogenous population of 10 million will be exactly replicated in a culturally heterogeneous society 30X its size.


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worlddan: No, the real solution is to reinstall prohibition for alcohol. But that will never happen.  So we might as well go wild and legalize everything and let America drug itself into the oblivion of history.

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Well, I am not for Alcohol Prohibition.
But, why not a National Drinker's Registry, a No Drink list, background checks so alcohol does not get to "the children", no fully automatic drunk drinks, you know, like the other Nanny Zhit?
 
2014-07-27 06:33:14 PM  

Crazy Lee: Want to get so drunk in your backyard that you pass out and aspirate to death on your own vomit? Your choice.
Want to sit in your living room and hot shot Heroin and die from the pulmonary edema? Your choice
Interfere with the life or liberty of fellow citizens while under the influence of ANY substance? Mandatory treatment/Mandatory Minimums


I have a song for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_I7n8U3Odg

You see, everything always work perfectly when one is the dictator dreaming of the rosy scenario.
 
2014-07-27 06:34:39 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: ecmoRandomNumbers: Lots and lots of white people smoke pot.

I know of at least three or four white people that DON'T smoke pot.


I definitely need to get out more, make some new white friends, but these days it seems all you run into is pot smokers.
 
2014-07-27 06:36:18 PM  

worlddan: So we might as well go wild and legalize everything and let America drug itself into the oblivion of history.


Yes, because making drugs illegal have made them go away and no one can buy them any more.
 
2014-07-27 06:37:00 PM  

zulius: /Oblig...
//Still Creepy...


Had to get the most hideous hags availiable for that picture didn't they. Funny thing is I would have to be totally shiatfaced to even consider kissing either one of them.
 
2014-07-27 06:42:46 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: zulius: /Oblig...
//Still Creepy...

Had to get the most hideous hags availiable for that picture didn't they. Funny thing is I would have to be totally shiatfaced to even consider kissing either one of them.


I think this one is making a duckface:

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-27 06:43:39 PM  
Colorado is a happy, healthy and well-educated state. Follow their lead, nation.
 
2014-07-27 06:47:45 PM  

gfid: I can't imagine asking a doctor for Xanax or anything like that even though I'm probably a good candidate for such a drug.  Part of it is because I don't want to be seen as a drug seeker and part of it is because I hear benzo addiction is a real biatch.  Like Jack Nicholson said in Easy Rider, "I've got enough problems with the booze and all."


If it's something that would really help you optimally go to a psychiatrist, not a doctor. Many doctors are convinced that absolutely everyone is either a drug seeker, or is likely to become addicted as soon as they take something a few times. A psychiatrist has a background in mental illness and addiction and is more likely to be able to assess you as an individual rather than making an assumption.

As far as addiction, it depends on the person. I've never had any issues, even though I've used them recreationally here and there over the years. And I have a prescription filled periodically for panic attacks and anxiety, but mainly it just sits there unless I really need it. The problem is for people who use it daily and/or let the dose creep upward. If you have self control and know not to do that it's not an issue and you really have nothing to worry about. Someone like you who isn't into taking meds in general, and knows the risks, is unlikely to have any problems. The problem is people who don't know or don't care and start using it as a crutch, when it's not meant to be a daily use medication in the first place. Once you become reliant on it, then yes it's a biatch to kick, and there are withdrawals and physical and mental side effects. But it's not something dangerous if you're not the type of person likely to become reliant on it in the first place.
 
2014-07-27 06:49:59 PM  

TheManofPA: It's the tough part of the law. Research supports that there may be more Caucasian marijuana smokers, however, if caught/arrested, Caucasians are more likely to get a fine/more lenient penalty. African-American/Hispanic are more likely to get initial and extended jail time and are definitely less likely to be put into the Drug Court system for the same offense. There's also research supporting that African-Americans are more likely to be involved in precontextual stops (i.e. tail light is out, didn't put on blinker far enough in advance of turn).


Just speaking from personal experience, but white people tend to be less stupid about their drug use.  This is all just anecdotal, but I've only bought pot off the street twice and both times it felt very sketchy.  Most of the time it's at someone's house in a nice neighborhood and it's generally understood that you hang out for a while because if your friend, who you trust and actually are friends with, starts having a bunch of people stop by for 5 minutes it's going to start to look suspicious to the neighbors.  So they basically blend in and try not to draw too much attention or cause problems.

But I've also lived in areas with blacks and latinos and they seem to go all in.   If they're going to smoke dope, they're going to dabble in all sorts of other crimes and they're not as careful about it.

This probably sounds like a racist post, but that's just been my experience.  I'm not saying all minorities are like that, but the ones who are tend to get caught because they do more crimes and are more obvious about it.
 
2014-07-27 06:55:03 PM  

Orgasmatron138: I did every day for 5 years, and it ruined my life.

Oh, wait, no it didn't, I have a great job, excellent physical health, and a wonderful home life.


But you're only doing those things ironically!
 
2014-07-27 06:55:41 PM  
 
2014-07-27 07:03:32 PM  
The times they are a changing.
 
2014-07-27 07:05:35 PM  

BlackMtnMan: The times they are a changing.


Don't bet on it.
There is a sucker punch under development.
 
2014-07-27 07:06:26 PM  

worlddan: No, the real solution is to reinstall prohibition for alcohol. But that will never happen.  So we might as well go wild and legalize everything and let America drug itself into the oblivion of history.


80 years of failure wasn't enough to know you're wrong? Are you on something?
 
2014-07-27 07:15:06 PM  

Target Builder: "There are no perfect answers to people's legitimate concerns about marijuana use."..What legitimate concerns? Long term heavy abuse of soft drinks seems to be more harmful than similarly heavy use of pot.


I'm sure they mean the long term evils that come with cannabis use.  I know that after nearly daily use for 42 years, I'm still waiting for the flashbacks...I mean WTF?  This stuff is supposed to be bad for me?  How do you THINK I managed to get in all those ski days last season, and keep in good shape?  It's not drinking, that shiate nearly killed me.

Of course, we don't know what the scientific long term studies will show BECAUSE THE D**KHEADS PROSCRIBED ANY RESEARCH THAT DID NOT SHOW IT A DEADLY POISON....So I say, bugger the "we don't know enough" crowd, they had plenty of years to gather scientific studies and did not because the KNEW that they would show Cannabis to be less harmful than Tobacco and Alcohol.  And you know how the Gov't and it's Minions HATE to be found out lying...

It's not the crime, it's the cover up and your chickens have come home to roost pants-wetting prohibitionists....
 
2014-07-27 07:27:38 PM  

worlddan: No, the real solution is to reinstall prohibition for alcohol. But that will never happen.  So we might as well go wild and legalize everything and let America drug itself into the oblivion of history.


Right because that's what happened to all the countrieswhere weed is largely de-criminalized. Vast wastelands, the lot of them.
 
2014-07-27 07:31:59 PM  

Mad_Radhu: teenage mutant ninja rapist: zulius: /Oblig...
//Still Creepy...

Had to get the most hideous hags availiable for that picture didn't they. Funny thing is I would have to be totally shiatfaced to even consider kissing either one of them.

I think this one is making a duckface:

[img.fark.net image 120x132]


She's the eye candy in that group.
 
2014-07-27 08:35:14 PM  

bhcompy: Orgasmatron138: Probably use while driving or operating heavy machinery. I never had a problem driving, but I could see studies showing that reflex time is slowed.

Those studies already exist(the NHTSA had them commissioned years ago in the Netherlands), and they're as you said.  Poor reflex time, very bad lane drift.  The same study also tested alcohol and a mixture of the two.  Alcohol had other bad effects and the mixture was the worst possible scenario(kind of obvious).  Basically, yea, you're impaired.  The only real problem is that there is no quick test a cop can do to see if you're currently under the influence, though, apparently, cops in Colorado are piloting a 10 minute saliva test for roadside stops.

Basically, use existing DUI laws(which generally cover any form of impairment), but improve testing, and we're good to go on that front.


I would agree to that.

See how easy that was? Jesus, USA! Get with it!
 
2014-07-27 08:37:21 PM  

snocone: BlackMtnMan: The times they are a changing.

Don't bet on it.
There is a sucker punch under development.


I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts you're right about that.
Probably sooner than later, before the legalization train really gets a full head of steam.
 
2014-07-27 09:11:42 PM  

zulius: [img.fark.net image 570x609]
/Oblig...
//Still Creepy...


Even by English hot standards, most farkers would need to have touched a LOT of alcohol before touching a solitary one of them. Methinks they were setting themselves up to lose.

/wow, that was an ugly batch
 
2014-07-27 09:11:58 PM  
Much like Hillary Clinton's sudden support for gay marriage last year, the NY Times is a bit late.  It's so much easier taking a stand when the tide of public opinion had swayed definitively in one direction.
 
2014-07-27 09:25:12 PM  

zulius: [img.fark.net image 570x609]
/Oblig...
//Still Creepy...


that one on (our) left holding up her(?) arm kinda looks like FDR in drag.

/the one in the middle looks like she's(?) been dead for a couple days...
 
2014-07-27 09:53:02 PM  

bglove25: Professor Farksworth: ecmoRandomNumbers: Stone Meadow: Maybe he'll do it just to troll the GOP.

That would be the best.

Just imagine Obama coming out for a presser about his new Executive Order (which nobody knows what it will be). He walks up to the podium with  joint hanging out of his mouth. "Ladies and Gentlemen, of the United States of America, I have issued an Executive Order that immediately legalizes Marijuana in the United States on the Federal Level. It is now up to the states to decide their own actions of legalization and sale *COUGH COUGH COUGH* Sorry, I was trying something given to me by the Head of our new Department of Cannibs, Mr. Calvin Broadus. Also have you noticed how bright these lights are, and how cool this little tele screen thingy is?"

The next day the Republican candidate for Pres in 2016 would be on TV.

"I PROMISE IF I'M ELECTED I WILL REPEAL OBAMA'S END OF MARIJUANA PROHIBITION."

And that would put the nail in the coffin for that candidate.

Actually, the Tea-tard backlash of a black man legalizing weed might be why we haven't done it. Just distracts from more important things.


I could see so many heads asploding.......

/ could be worth it
// seriously, could those nut jobs realistically be any more obstructionist than they already are?
 
2014-07-27 10:00:23 PM  
Well now that this article has been written, I'm sure it will be legal any day now.

\cynical
\\it should be legalized
\\\govt is too chicken shiat and bought for that to happen at the federal level.
 
2014-07-27 10:08:12 PM  

flypusher713: bglove25: Professor Farksworth: ecmoRandomNumbers: Stone Meadow: Maybe he'll do it just to troll the GOP.

That would be the best.

Just imagine Obama coming out for a presser about his new Executive Order (which nobody knows what it will be). He walks up to the podium with  joint hanging out of his mouth. "Ladies and Gentlemen, of the United States of America, I have issued an Executive Order that immediately legalizes Marijuana in the United States on the Federal Level. It is now up to the states to decide their own actions of legalization and sale *COUGH COUGH COUGH* Sorry, I was trying something given to me by the Head of our new Department of Cannibs, Mr. Calvin Broadus. Also have you noticed how bright these lights are, and how cool this little tele screen thingy is?"

The next day the Republican candidate for Pres in 2016 would be on TV.

"I PROMISE IF I'M ELECTED I WILL REPEAL OBAMA'S END OF MARIJUANA PROHIBITION."

And that would put the nail in the coffin for that candidate.

Actually, the Tea-tard backlash of a black man legalizing weed might be why we haven't done it. Just distracts from more important things.

I could see so many heads asploding.......

/ could be worth it
// seriously, could those nut jobs realistically be any more obstructionist than they already are?


I see this has reached full circle jerk status
 
2014-07-27 10:16:38 PM  

snocone: fully automatic drunk drinks


...I do not know what those things are, but I think I'd like to have one of them next Friday night.
crow202.org
 
2014-07-27 10:31:14 PM  
It took them farking long enough. Well, if the NYTimes is willing to say it, that means the conservative Democrats in the East Coast are willing to actually talk about it and maybe do it. If the capital of the US was on the left coast, pot would be legal already.

The east coast smokes as much but is more concerned about appearances.
 
2014-07-27 11:04:31 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Yes they do. It's in the rules.


But nowhere does it say that a dog can't play basketball.
 
2014-07-28 12:46:07 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Obama has nothing to lose on this one. And everybody knows that he smokes those jazz cigarettes, anyway.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-28 02:08:01 AM  

gophurt: Okay, which mod is asleep at the wheel and keeps greenlighting articles where the Fark Headline is the EXACT SAME as the actual article headline.


The real story here is *where* tfa comes from. It's not quite as momentous as the Wall St Journal coming out in favor, but an endorsement from The Gray Lady is an enormous win and a huge vault up for the legalization movement.

Anyhow my point is that the headline should have reflected *that.* Subby's headline is so banal I nearly didn't click.
 
2014-07-28 02:09:59 AM  

zulius: /Oblig...
//Still Creepy...


If there was ever an image likely to drive me to drink...
 
2014-07-28 06:55:49 AM  
zulius:
img.fark.net
 /Oblig...
//Still Creepy...


www.quizlaw.com

/I think the one on the bottom left is Larry Fine
 
2014-07-28 09:30:48 AM  

gfid: I'm white and I'm smoking pot right now so I'm really getting a kick out of your comment.


I am white and smoking pot right now to and hey are those cheetos? Cheetos are SO good .....
 
2014-07-28 09:32:17 AM  

worlddan: No, the real solution is to reinstall prohibition for alcohol. But that will never happen.  So we might as well go wild and legalize everything and let America drug itself into the oblivion of history.


I see you are a student of history. This is EXACTLY what happened before pot and marijuana were made illegal.

And jazz musicians would take your white women too!
 
2014-07-28 09:36:08 AM  

worlddan: No, the real solution is to reinstall prohibition for alcohol. But that will never happen.  So we might as well go wild and legalize everything and let America drug itself into the oblivion of history.


Not all of us have substance abuse issues lurking in our psyches.


s.hswstatic.com

 
2014-07-28 09:42:45 AM  
Yeah, I see it...right next to the extremely pissed off Aunt Bea!
 
2014-07-28 10:18:32 AM  

worlddan: Because the experience of a culturally homogenous population of 10 million will be exactly replicated in a culturally heterogeneous society 30X its size.


Regardless, we've tried banning both alcohol and marijuana and have only created much larger problems in doing so.  Those who something something history something something repeat it.
 
2014-07-28 10:25:55 AM  

GnomePaladin: worlddan: Because the experience of a culturally homogenous population of 10 million will be exactly replicated in a culturally heterogeneous society 30X its size.

Regardless, we've tried banning both alcohol and marijuana and have only created much larger problems in doing so.  Those who something something history something something repeat it.


Apologies, I retract my response to your statement and invite no further discourse.  Anyone with views so blind to history and reality cannot possibly partake in a logical discussion.
 
2014-07-28 11:57:21 AM  
RELEVANT QUOTE:

"It is possible to imagine people would commit the most heinous of crimes, even murder, just to get money to buy narcotics."-----NEW YORK TIMES, 1915.

At the time a law was being considered making cocaine, opium and such against the law.  No heroin was sold in the US at the time because no one wanted it.  But morphine was only 5 cents an no one wanted that either.
 
2014-07-28 12:15:43 PM  
I'll fully endorse legalized pot if we can all agree that pot culture is awful and should be banned.
 
2014-07-28 02:51:21 PM  

give me doughnuts: You know what didn't go up when Portugal decriminalized all drugs?


I don't see how that is possible.  If you have a total population of X, of which Y is currently using illegal drugs and Z is not.  If the drug is legalized, certainly at least a subset of Z will start using.  I can't imagine there are people out there that are so badass that the only reason they use a certain drug is because it is illegal.
 
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