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2014-07-27 10:26:14 AM  
Did you ever think that there will not be another Mass Effect because the trilogy is now over and Electronic Arts would not want to insult its fans by trivializing the conclusion?
 
2014-07-27 10:26:58 AM  
Wait, what? Is this supposed to imply that 4 (or whatever they end up calling it) will be a PS4 exclusive? I sincerely doubt it will be. As for it turning into "the Duke Nukem of video games," (is that like the Cadillac of automobiles?), no, it's not even close to vaporware yet, Subby. Let it get to Half Life 3 / Episode 3 status, and then we can talk vaporware.
 
2014-07-27 11:48:17 AM  
that article is the duke nukem of video games.
 
2014-07-27 11:52:13 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Did you ever think that there will not be another Mass Effect because the trilogy is now over and Electronic Arts would not want to insult its fans by trivializing the conclusion?


It's obvious there will be another one. They never thought Nelson Mandela would be released, but then he was! Even though it trivialized his imprisonment!
 
2014-07-27 11:56:07 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Did you ever think that there will not be another Mass Effect because the trilogy is now over and Electronic Arts would not want to insult its fans by trivializing the conclusion?


Considering that they're working on a project, brought footage, and have stated that while Shepard's story is over, that they really want to make more games in this setting, I'm going to go with "yeah, there's going to be another Mass Effect game." There won't be a Shepard in it, but I suspect that there's going to be repercussions of the decisions you made in the previous games even.

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Wait, what? Is this supposed to imply that 4 (or whatever they end up calling it) will be a PS4 exclusive? I sincerely doubt it will be. As for it turning into "the Duke Nukem of video games," (is that like the Cadillac of automobiles?), no, it's not even close to vaporware yet, Subby. Let it get to Half Life 3 / Episode 3 status, and then we can talk vaporware.


BioWare has been pretty good about turning out games that work, and that means a lot of effort on their part, and that takes time. Especially on a franchise that has pretty much sealed their reputation. Yeah, I'm going to give them some time to get things together. Not as quick a turn around as I was hoping, but I'd rather it take some time and be good, as opposed to kludged together and craptastic.
 
2014-07-27 12:25:17 PM  

elvisaintdead: that article is the duke nukem of video games.


A mediocre follow-up that only got bad press because people couldn't hold back their nostalgia for a totally overrated and mediocre predecessor?  I don't see how your analogy makes sense.

Sid_6.7: It's obvious there will be another one. They never thought Nelson Mandela would be released, but then he was! Even though it trivialized his imprisonment!

hubiestubert: Considering that they're working on a project, brought footage, and have stated that while Shepard's story is over, that they really want to make more games in this setting, I'm going to go with "yeah, there's going to be another Mass Effect game."


It appears that I was a bit too subtle.
 
2014-07-27 12:28:26 PM  

Mike_LowELL: elvisaintdead: that article is the duke nukem of video games.

A mediocre follow-up that only got bad press because people couldn't hold back their nostalgia for a totally overrated and mediocre predecessor?  I don't see how your analogy makes sense.

Sid_6.7: It's obvious there will be another one. They never thought Nelson Mandela would be released, but then he was! Even though it trivialized his imprisonment!
hubiestubert: Considering that they're working on a project, brought footage, and have stated that while Shepard's story is over, that they really want to make more games in this setting, I'm going to go with "yeah, there's going to be another Mass Effect game."

It appears that I was a bit too subtle.


You thought I was being serious?
 
2014-07-27 12:30:52 PM  

Sid_6.7: You thought I was being serious?


I dunno, it sounded like you were snarking on me, so I wasn't sure if you were in on the deal.
 
2014-07-27 01:32:39 PM  

Mike_LowELL: elvisaintdead: that article is the duke nukem of video games.

A mediocre follow-up that only got bad press because people couldn't hold back their nostalgia for a totally overrated and mediocre predecessor?  I don't see how your analogy makes sense.

Sid_6.7: It's obvious there will be another one. They never thought Nelson Mandela would be released, but then he was! Even though it trivialized his imprisonment!
hubiestubert: Considering that they're working on a project, brought footage, and have stated that while Shepard's story is over, that they really want to make more games in this setting, I'm going to go with "yeah, there's going to be another Mass Effect game."

It appears that I was a bit too subtle.


Someone has to run with the bait, and I don't mind playing the straight man on occasion...
 
2014-07-27 01:59:26 PM  
I can see potential for a game set in the Mass Effect universe.  The galaxy's central government has fallen and most of the major powers have been decimated.  This undoubtedly leads to power struggles and conflict among former allies as well as the rise of new groups with their own agendas.

If EA keeps their hands off of it, then maybe Bioware care do it right.  It seems like executive meddling resulted in the completely farked ending to ME3.  If that can be avoided, then it might be worthwhile.
 
2014-07-27 02:04:50 PM  

Stile4aly: I can see potential for a game set in the Mass Effect universe.  The galaxy's central government has fallen and most of the major powers have been decimated.  This undoubtedly leads to power struggles and conflict among former allies as well as the rise of new groups with their own agendas.


you're on one of the mostly ruined worlds in a new open world, procedurally generated exploration/survival game with retro-pixel graphics and a robust crafting system
 
2014-07-27 02:05:06 PM  

hubiestubert: Mike_LowELL: elvisaintdead: that article is the duke nukem of video games.

A mediocre follow-up that only got bad press because people couldn't hold back their nostalgia for a totally overrated and mediocre predecessor?  I don't see how your analogy makes sense.

Sid_6.7: It's obvious there will be another one. They never thought Nelson Mandela would be released, but then he was! Even though it trivialized his imprisonment!
hubiestubert: Considering that they're working on a project, brought footage, and have stated that while Shepard's story is over, that they really want to make more games in this setting, I'm going to go with "yeah, there's going to be another Mass Effect game."

It appears that I was a bit too subtle.

Someone has to run with the bait, and I don't mind playing the straight man on occasion...


Awesome. I like playing straight guys on the weekends too.
 
2014-07-27 02:11:26 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Did you ever think that there will not be another Mass Effect because the trilogy is now over and Electronic Arts would not want to insult its fans by trivializing the conclusion?


Bahahahahahahahaha


Ahahahahahaha


Oh man that's rich
 
2014-07-27 02:11:33 PM  
cdn2.gamefront.com

There's no need for a new one. They already left a way to continue to build that legend.
 
2014-07-27 02:28:17 PM  
For a Mass Effect 4 to work:

1. Don't call it Mass Effect 4.
2. Customization shouldn't be limited to a human protagonist. Maybe have the option to pick from several heroes of several races (human, asari, turian, salarian, krogan, drell, and quarian in particular) and have a few batarian, volus, vorcha, and/or geth sprinkled about the support cast, maybe have to choose between a hanar and an elcor for quartermaster.
3. Have the main characters play alongside the Shepard story, not after it. That way there's a new degree of difficulty depending which ME run you've taken. Remember the Omega plague mission? Maybe some of the batarians Shepard saved will be a bit more helpful to N7s with their investigations. All that bureaucratic shuffles on Noveria? It'll mean your N7 team might get a good deal on armaments. Maybe have your group cross paths with the Normandy a few times. Maybe Garrus will remember your turian or Wrex can chew out your krogan.
4. Depending on the race you choose, have your character fight through some introductory mission. Starting as Vanilla Human? Then fight your way through the Scyllian Blitz alongside Shepard or be one of the rescue teams that rescue Shepard from Akuze. Asari? Guard detail for Matriarch Benezia. Salarian? Recon mission to Tuchanka with Kirrahe and Mordin. Nostalgia works, dammit.
5. Have it be more about the team instead of the individual hero. As far as the mythos goes, the N7 teams established in ME3 are consistently under the radar going from hot zone to hot zone. It's like an X-Com gig, except with more blue tits. Pick a few of the guys to keep as the prime players, maybe dabble with a bit of romance if that's your thing.

Wow, damn I'm a nerd.
 
2014-07-27 02:35:17 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Did you ever think that there will not be another Mass Effect because the trilogy is now over and Electronic Arts would not want to insult its fans by trivializing the conclusion?


9/10

You almost had me fooled.

EA's management are staffed by vampires. I have proof.
 
2014-07-27 02:44:01 PM  
Hmm. . .Duke Nukem is a video game so how can something else be a video game and be Duke Nukem yet not be Duke Nukem.

I am with the Half Life 3 crowd.  (which will be out when Chelsea Clinton is elected President after her mother finishes her second term before her)
 
2014-07-27 02:50:08 PM  
Duke Nukem is the Duke Nukem of video games. If you're talking vaporware, you want to talk Duke Nukem Forever, which is the Duke Nukem Forever of video games.

Perhaps you intended to say that it's the new Duke Nukem Forever. But it's more likely that you've yet to master your native language, and simply formed the sentence incorrectly due to being surrounded by people who also had to cheat their way through English class and couldn't define an adverb without Google.
 
2014-07-27 03:08:30 PM  

PiffMan420: Mike_LowELL: Did you ever think that there will not be another Mass Effect because the trilogy is now over and Electronic Arts would not want to insult its fans by trivializing the conclusion?

9/10

You almost had me fooled.

EA's management are staffed by vampires. I have proof.


Vampires have more of a conscience than the management of Electronic Arts.
 
2014-07-27 03:41:30 PM  
Not talking about story, but as a game, ME farking blew.  It was a slow, plodding, generic space game.  The game that is, not the story.  The game was not fun to play.
 
2014-07-27 04:08:08 PM  
More Mass Effect is a good thing. I'll wait, gladly, for a chance to go further down the rabbit hole that is that universe's lore and history.

To the people that always claim the gameplay is bland and generic must have played soldier class. Get some powers and try it again.

/Shepard isn't a goodie-goodie standard-meathead boyscout with a rifle. She's a psycopath that throws people around with her mind and deals with enemies in ways so cruel that Putin would piss his pants hearing the stories.
 
2014-07-27 04:24:24 PM  
well they cant mess it up any more than pgi did with the mechwarrior series... yes im looking at you pgi...

/ ecm
// weapon range
/// weapon range
//// Ghost HEAT
 
2014-07-27 04:24:29 PM  

sprawl15: Stile4aly: I can see potential for a game set in the Mass Effect universe.  The galaxy's central government has fallen and most of the major powers have been decimated.  This undoubtedly leads to power struggles and conflict among former allies as well as the rise of new groups with their own agendas.

you're on one of the mostly ruined worlds in a new open world, procedurally generated exploration/survival game with retro-pixel graphics and a robust crafting system


Oooh, is that on Steam Early Access yet?

CyberKultist: /Shepard isn't a goodie-goodie standard-meathead boyscout with a rifle. She's a psycopath that throws people around with her mind and deals with enemies in ways so cruel that Putin would piss his pants hearing the stories


Shepard was a mannequin with three or four pull strings in his/her back. They made such a deep and detailed universe behind everything. I loved reading up about the ways their technology and alien societies worked. However, most of the conversations seemed stiff, stilted and dull. Like they had to account for every conversation going three different ways but still ending at the same conclusion.
 
2014-07-27 04:37:02 PM  
I hope it's online-only. That really enhanced my SimCity experience, and EA's version is clearly the best version in the entire franchise.
 
2014-07-27 04:39:41 PM  

Mentalpatient87: sprawl15: Stile4aly: I can see potential for a game set in the Mass Effect universe.  The galaxy's central government has fallen and most of the major powers have been decimated.  This undoubtedly leads to power struggles and conflict among former allies as well as the rise of new groups with their own agendas.

you're on one of the mostly ruined worlds in a new open world, procedurally generated exploration/survival game with retro-pixel graphics and a robust crafting system

Oooh, is that on Steam Early Access yet?

CyberKultist: /Shepard isn't a goodie-goodie standard-meathead boyscout with a rifle. She's a psycopath that throws people around with her mind and deals with enemies in ways so cruel that Putin would piss his pants hearing the stories

Shepard was a mannequin with three or four pull strings in his/her back. They made such a deep and detailed universe behind everything. I loved reading up about the ways their technology and alien societies worked. However, most of the conversations seemed stiff, stilted and dull. Like they had to account for every conversation going three different ways but still ending at the same conclusion.


Do agree with that, but really isn't another way to tackle it. Fully different missions depending on how you act would be awesome, but from an overall story point (big/main focus for most Bioware titles) that sounds like a nightmare to write and plan out without essentially putting more than one game on the disc. Which would never happen, because $$ and EA's favor of it over fans.
 
2014-07-27 04:52:07 PM  
Mass Effect for PS4 rapidly turning into the Duke Nukem of video games
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/I know:
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2014-07-27 05:29:44 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Did you ever think that there will not be another Mass Effect because the trilogy is now over and Electronic Arts would not want to insult its fans by trivializing the conclusion?


Dude, this is EA we're talking about. They're not adverse to milking the sh*t out of a series until the udders are squirting blood and pus.
 
2014-07-27 05:38:28 PM  

CyberKultist: Do agree with that, but really isn't another way to tackle it.


True enough, I think. My best solution is to just pick one personality and do away with the choice system in general.

What really bugged me, and probably soured my view of the writing from there on, was a conversation very early into ME1. You do the tutorial mission and then go back to the Citadel to debrief. Once there, you're running down what happened to your boss. Naturally, he is reluctant to send major resources toward a mission spawned from some vision Shepard had. I wanted to agree. Why the hell would we trust something I hallucinated and send ships across the galaxy? Not a choice. I had to pick between three different but equally stupid and petulant dialogue options.

Of course, now that I don't buy EA it doesn't matter, but I'd love to see some better writing in the ME universe.
 
2014-07-27 06:25:17 PM  

Saborlas: Duke Nukem is the Duke Nukem of video games.


Yup. That game was a lot of fun back in the day:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-27 06:31:33 PM  

CyberKultist: More Mass Effect is a good thing. I'll wait, gladly, for a chance to go further down the rabbit hole that is that universe's lore and history.

To the people that always claim the gameplay is bland and generic must have played soldier class. Get some powers and try it again.

/Shepard isn't a goodie-goodie standard-meathead boyscout with a rifle. She's a psycopath that throws people around with her mind and deals with enemies in ways so cruel that Putin would piss his pants hearing the stories.


Bullshiat. She's a stealthy biatch who disappears and then blows the tip of your head off, right before confusing the crap out of your turrets so they start firing at you friends.

/ok, adeptwas fun, too.
 
2014-07-27 06:38:19 PM  
Wow. I swear I haven't had that much. Oy.
 
2014-07-27 06:39:10 PM  
I really wish RPGs would learn that just standing and staring at someone taking an expo dump on you is not compelling. If they're gonna prattle on endlessly, can they at least walk down a hallway or something?
 
2014-07-27 06:59:36 PM  
Bring Miranda back. Her absence from the dismantling of Cerberus was a a disservice, imo.
 
2014-07-27 07:05:12 PM  

hubiestubert: There won't be a Shepard in it, but I suspect that there's going to be repercussions of the decisions you made in the previous games even.


Which color of explosion so you want: Choice A, B or C?

Stile4aly: If EA keeps their hands off of it, then maybe Bioware care do it right. It seems like executive meddling resulted in the completely farked ending to ME3. If that can be avoided, then it might be worthwhile.


ME3's writer botched the ending. EA had very little to do with it.
 
2014-07-27 07:07:03 PM  

Witty_Retort: hubiestubert: There won't be a Shepard in it, but I suspect that there's going to be repercussions of the decisions you made in the previous games even.

Which color of explosion so you want: Choice A, B or C?

Stile4aly: If EA keeps their hands off of it, then maybe Bioware care do it right. It seems like executive meddling resulted in the completely farked ending to ME3. If that can be avoided, then it might be worthwhile.

ME3's writer botched the ending. EA had very little to do with it.


I could be remembering wrong, but I thought it was EA's meddling that drove the head writer for the first two games to leave and thus we ended up with the shiat writing for the third.
 
2014-07-27 07:11:34 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: I could be remembering wrong, but I thought it was EA's meddling that drove the head writer for the first two games to leave and thus we ended up with the shiat writing for the third.


He did leave, but I don't remember if it was ever confirmed it was EA meddling. Looking at his credits list though, he appears to be the reason why anyone liked Bioware games in the first place. He was either lead or a major writer on pretty much everything after the original Baldur's Gate.
 
2014-07-27 07:51:17 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: I could be remembering wrong, but I thought it was EA's meddling that drove the head writer for the first two games to leave and thus we ended up with the shiat writing for the third.


Just did a bit of research and see you're right about the original guy leaving.

I was referencing a story that Mac Walters (writer of ME3) supposedly locked himself away for a weekend and came out saying "this is the ending. No debate allowed."

Good news is that Mac is the head writer of 4.

/I quit playing ME2 in the middle when I heard how bad the ending of 3 was.
 
2014-07-27 08:10:35 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: Mike_LowELL: Did you ever think that there will not be another Mass Effect because the trilogy is now over and Electronic Arts would not want to insult its fans by trivializing the conclusion?

Dude, this is EA we're talking about. They're not adverse to milking the sh*t out of a series until the udders are squirting blood and pus.


Blood and Pus will be available as DLC content on launch day
 
2014-07-27 08:46:22 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Witty_Retort: hubiestubert: There won't be a Shepard in it, but I suspect that there's going to be repercussions of the decisions you made in the previous games even.

Which color of explosion so you want: Choice A, B or C?

Stile4aly: If EA keeps their hands off of it, then maybe Bioware care do it right. It seems like executive meddling resulted in the completely farked ending to ME3. If that can be avoided, then it might be worthwhile.

ME3's writer botched the ending. EA had very little to do with it.

I could be remembering wrong, but I thought it was EA's meddling that drove the head writer for the first two games to leave and thus we ended up with the shiat writing for the third.


I also seem to recall that as the release date got closer rumors started to swirl that EA was forcing Bioware to release before they felt it was ready.  I like to think the Starchild ending was fixable.  The Extended Edition got a lot of the way there, but there's even more that they could have done.
 
2014-07-27 09:32:08 PM  
I thought Drew Karpyshian was pulled off Mass Effect to work on the Star Wars MMO. I think his leaving was due to the way that game was going down. I don't have high hopes for ME4, especially with Mac the Hack still leading it. And it sounds like it's going to be Human-centric. Why introduce the concept of galactic Specters if you're just going to make us be space marine commandos?
 
2014-07-27 09:55:11 PM  

mikieb: I thought Drew Karpyshian was pulled off Mass Effect to work on the Star Wars MMO. I think his leaving was due to the way that game was going down. I don't have high hopes for ME4, especially with Mac the Hack still leading it. And it sounds like it's going to be Human-centric. Why introduce the concept of galactic Specters if you're just going to make us be space marine commandos?


Because you need something that has a sexy ass to stare at when you spend most of the game hiding behide ass high walls while you wait for your skills to cool down to one shot the next target.
 
2014-07-27 10:57:20 PM  
The Duke Nukem of video games?

You suck, submitter.
 
2014-07-27 11:22:24 PM  

MrEricSir: Saborlas: Duke Nukem is the Duke Nukem of video games.

Yup. That game was a lot of fun back in the day:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x200]


Totally available on GOG too!
 
2014-07-27 11:57:37 PM  
 PS4 owner:  What is this game you are talking about?
 
2014-07-28 02:09:53 AM  

Witty_Retort: Dingleberry Dickwad: I could be remembering wrong, but I thought it was EA's meddling that drove the head writer for the first two games to leave and thus we ended up with the shiat writing for the third.

Just did a bit of research and see you're right about the original guy leaving.

I was referencing a story that Mac Walters (writer of ME3) supposedly locked himself away for a weekend and came out saying "this is the ending. No debate allowed."

Good news is that Mac is the head writer of 4.

/I quit playing ME2 in the middle when I heard how bad the ending of 3 was.


Well, that's silly.  People get too caught up in endings.  ME3 is actually pretty great up until about the last 15 minutes.  So that's however many hours of great, 15 minutes of bad.  I'll take that.
 
2014-07-28 02:51:50 AM  

Dafatone: People get too caught up in endings.


Try that line in a Stephen King thread.
 
Ant
2014-07-28 11:03:26 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: [cdn2.gamefront.com image 620x386]

There's no need for a new one. They already left a way to continue to build that legend.


What the hell is that? That's what I wanted.
 
Ant
2014-07-28 11:10:20 AM  
I think ME4 should be set during the time humans discovered the first relay, when they went to war against the Turians.
 
2014-07-28 02:08:04 PM  

ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: Dingleberry Dickwad: Witty_Retort: hubiestubert: There won't be a Shepard in it, but I suspect that there's going to be repercussions of the decisions you made in the previous games even.

Which color of explosion so you want: Choice A, B or C?

Stile4aly: If EA keeps their hands off of it, then maybe Bioware care do it right. It seems like executive meddling resulted in the completely farked ending to ME3. If that can be avoided, then it might be worthwhile.

ME3's writer botched the ending. EA had very little to do with it.

I could be remembering wrong, but I thought it was EA's meddling that drove the head writer for the first two games to leave and thus we ended up with the shiat writing for the third.

If you notice, the threat of "Dark Energy" is hugely foreshadowed in ME2.  It leads absolutely nowhere in ME3.


Yeah, I'd actually almost forgotten about that bit. I would have liked to have seen where that was going.
 
2014-07-28 08:06:20 PM  
My theory is that EA found the proposed plot too cerebral, and wanted to wrap up the ME franchise ASAP to move on to the Next Big Thing, so they shuffled people until they got the most generic anodyne ending in the quickest possible time to market.
 
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