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(Huffington Post)   The good news is that you probably don't have celiac disease. The bad news is you're a hypochondriac   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 59
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2014-07-27 01:22:48 PM  
6 votes:
People just want to belong to groups, and to be special.  Gluten intolerance lets these snowflakes be special and unique...together!  They can form support groups and bemoan how that nasty Monsanto wheat made their tummys rumble most dis-harmoniously.  It certainly wasn't because they ate an entire box of cookies in one sitting.

Then there's the group of people who will just fleece the above group and charge them money, so that they can affirm their specialness.  These people have five billion reasons to continue the charade.

Then there are the poor folks who actually have Celiac disease, who happily now have more food choices, but unhappily have to deal with the snarky people like me who like to mock the hypochondriacs.
2014-07-27 01:43:29 PM  
5 votes:
In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real.  I know this because I don't have it.  Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.
2014-07-27 01:25:31 PM  
5 votes:
Related story about how weird the human body is. (Or how weird I am)

I smoked for around 10 years. I finally decided to quit and was able to do it cold turkey. I had a persistent cough afterwords for years.
One day I Googled "Cough and Smoking" to see if I could figure out why I still had it. I got nothing but Lung cancer hits.

The next week I started to get pains in my chest, like really nasty pains. I manged to convince myself I had cancer. They were so sever they
keep me awake at night. I was scared to go to the doctor because I didn't want to hear the Big C. Finally my wife got sick of it and dragged me down
to an insta-care and they took a chest xray. I was sitting in the waiting room waiting for my death sentence when the doctor came in and told me nothing
was wrong.

The pain in my chest dissipated within 20 minutes. It was so bizarre. It was all in my head.


Morals to the story:
Don't diagnose yourself on Google.
Don't Smoke.
Be excellent to each other.

CSB!
2014-07-27 02:09:34 PM  
4 votes:

PanicMan: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: "Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.

Or maybe people were having a reaction and didn't know the term to describe it.  Or what foods to consider avoiding.


Celiac is a real thing... but so are the placebo and nocebo effects. In a large population you will always have a certain percentage who are susceptible to suggestion and irrationality.

Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World he has a whole chapter which talks about how every time something airs on TV about aliens people in the region it aired suddenly have a spike in alien reports. And when something about aliens is popularized suddenly those reports change in detail to match what was aired on TV also. Like people used to report "little green men" but after the Roswell myths with grey, elongated, skinny aliens came out all of a sudden people's reports mysteriously and suddenly changed to match that new, popularized fictional vision.

It isn't that there were so many aliens flying around out there abducting people that no one had the words to describe them all, it's that there's a percentage of the population who is now going to make up shiat that matches the stuff they saw on TV. That's just a fact when you live in a society.

So celiac disease is real, and it sucks to have it, but that's not why a lot of other low information people are going to claim they have it. Gluten has been demonized by a lot of folks out to make a buck, and now a lot of people have convinced themselves they have an intolerance to it not because they actually do, or even have any idea what they're talking about, but instead because they are susceptible to suggestion. Hence him noting that the woman drinks beer, which has gluten in it, and wouldn't eat risotto which doesn't. If she really had Celiac she would have known better... THAT'S how you can tell without being a doctor... Like in the tales of King Soloman, sometimes the guilty parties sort themselves out.
2014-07-27 01:23:36 PM  
4 votes:

snocone: I am not ready to dismiss the "intolerance" out of hand. True, "real" celiac disease is very rare. With SEVERE malnutrition as the problem, not "Gee, I don't feel good."
But, medically, we have no "real" investigation of intolerance. Unless you are willing to accept the Monsanto agenda laden "stuff". Humans usually display a spectrum of sensitivity and intolerance (mild to severe) rather than black/white reactions.
I find far too many patients with anecdotal reports of improvement in quality of life. We have dealt with hypochondria since decent record keeping began. Some of the alarm is due to hypochondria.
But there is something new afoot.


Celiac is about 1 in every 117 Americans.  That's not exactly rare.

As for gluten intolerance.  It's bullshiat.

The reason why you feel like shiat is because you eat shiatty food.
2014-07-27 02:00:35 PM  
3 votes:

Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.


If you had Celiacs, you'd know it. It isn't "mild discomfort", it is a life threatening condition. Having dated a girl for a couple years (lived with her for a while as well) and learned how to cook for someone with Celiacs, you appreciate how hard life is for them, how every little decision they make when it comes to food and drink can either allow them to feel normal, or send them to the hospital.

For others who heard about gluten from some shiat for brains asshole like Doctor Oz and think it is trendy to play make believe and they have Celiacs also, makes me want to remove their ability to procreate. I've met too many assholes who claim to have "gluten intolerance" and play the "I'm a precious snowflake" card at restaurants to seem hip and trendy, but they have a kitchen and pantry full of gluten-containing food products. When called out on it, they claim they didn't know those foods had gluten in them. They pretty much live a public life of "gluten intolerance" to make the lives of others more difficult and to draw attention to themselves, plain and simple.

It's like people not saying they have cancer, but say they have cells that are  "non-malignant intolerant", so they shave their heads and get chemotherapy because they're attention whores.
2014-07-27 01:46:46 PM  
3 votes:

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: "Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.


Or maybe people were having a reaction and didn't know the term to describe it.  Or what foods to consider avoiding.
2014-07-27 01:45:12 PM  
3 votes:

Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.


Want to know how I know you've never worked in a restaurant?

Every time something hits the news, like MSG and gluten intolerances, suddenly EVERYONE has it. Even when the dishes they've been eating for years never contained any to begin with.

The Placebo Effect is a powerful thing...
2014-07-27 01:32:22 PM  
3 votes:
Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.
2014-07-27 01:12:55 PM  
3 votes:
What kind of doctor is this guy?
2014-07-27 01:09:32 PM  
3 votes:
So we're allowed to be intolerant towards gluten, but not gay marriage?

I see how it is, libs.
2014-07-27 02:49:12 PM  
2 votes:

HalfOffOffer: yes lots of people have a wheat intolerance due to the GMO frankenwheat that is in everything.


I can't help but be curious.  How would your answer change if there were no GMO wheat in commercial production anywhere in the world?
2014-07-27 02:16:55 PM  
2 votes:
From: Nutrition Action Health Letter, a division of the center for science in the public interest:

"In 2013  Australian researchers put 37 patients without celiacs disease on a diet that was low in FODMAPS (fermentable oligosaccharides, disaccharides, monosaccharides, and polyols) fructose, lactose, sorbitol, and other short chained carbohydrates that are poorly absorbed. The diet was low in gluten but not gluten free. While their symptoms improved, adding back gluten patients had no more, or fewer symptoms than adding back a placebo (Whey)....The whole premise that there is a disorder called non-celiac gluten sensitivity has no scientific evidence to support it."

Paraphrased a bit but you get the gist.

/celiacs can't absorb food well and are skinny.
//Cutting gluten doesn't help you loose weight
///Dr. Oz is a schill
2014-07-27 02:16:33 PM  
2 votes:

mongbiohazard: So celiac disease is real, and it sucks to have it, but that's not why a lot of other low information people are going to claim they have it. Gluten has been demonized by a lot of folks out to make a buck, and now a lot of people have convinced themselves they have an intolerance to it not because they actually do, or even have any idea what they're talking about, but instead because they are susceptible to suggestion. Hence him noting that the woman drinks beer, which has gluten in it, and wouldn't eat risotto which doesn't. If she really had Celiac she would have known better... THAT'S how you can tell without being a doctor... Like in the tales of King Soloman, sometimes the guilty parties sort themselves out.


Nobody is claiming that celiac disease is fake.

Only that non-celiac gluten intolerance is fake.  Because it's fake.
2014-07-27 01:52:34 PM  
2 votes:
I have a friend who recently "became holistic." Since then everyone she knows suffer from some syndrome, allergy, ailment, or disease. It Is annoying.
2014-07-27 01:42:37 PM  
2 votes:
You probably don't have Lyme disease either.  Or Bartonella.  Or Babeosis but you certainly have hypochondria.
2014-07-27 01:39:10 PM  
2 votes:

TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People


I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.
2014-07-27 01:38:17 PM  
2 votes:

snocone: I am not ready to dismiss the "intolerance" out of hand. True, "real" celiac disease is very rare. With SEVERE malnutrition as the problem, not "Gee, I don't feel good."
But, medically, we have no "real" investigation of intolerance. Unless you are willing to accept the Monsanto agenda laden "stuff". Humans usually display a spectrum of sensitivity and intolerance (mild to severe) rather than black/white reactions.
I find far too many patients with anecdotal reports of improvement in quality of life. We have dealt with hypochondria since decent record keeping began. Some of the alarm is due to hypochondria.
But there is something new afoot.


"Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.
2014-07-27 01:12:58 PM  
2 votes:
... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.
2014-07-27 09:48:13 AM  
2 votes:
I am not ready to dismiss the "intolerance" out of hand. True, "real" celiac disease is very rare. With SEVERE malnutrition as the problem, not "Gee, I don't feel good."
But, medically, we have no "real" investigation of intolerance. Unless you are willing to accept the Monsanto agenda laden "stuff". Humans usually display a spectrum of sensitivity and intolerance (mild to severe) rather than black/white reactions.
I find far too many patients with anecdotal reports of improvement in quality of life. We have dealt with hypochondria since decent record keeping began. Some of the alarm is due to hypochondria.
But there is something new afoot.
2014-07-27 09:05:28 PM  
1 votes:

ekdikeo4: Perhaps gluten is shiatty food.  My girlfriend has no trace of celiac disease, but eliminating probably 90%+ of the bread and pasta from her diet has completely eliminated weekly-ish debilitating headaches and horrific bouts of arthritis.  I follow along with her, and my typical energy level is comparatively through the roof, even though i've also nearly eliminated caffeine from my regular diet as well.  Pure anecdotal, but I'll take it.  The weight loss I'm experiencing since then is quite remarkable as well.


Placebo effect is pretty powerful
2014-07-27 06:41:25 PM  
1 votes:

unfarkingbelievable: Ha. I am actually in the midst of writing a feature article about gluten-free beverages.


Ugh... I absolutely hate the amount of items in stores now that feature stuff like "ZOMG GLUTEN FREEE!!!!!!" plastered on their packaging... Bought a little thing of Tribe hummus, and right on the logo was "Gluten-free"... Despite hummus being literally 4 ingredients (chickpea/garbanzo, salt, sesame, and lemon typically).

And even rice cakes and other rice things like bags of jasmine rice!

My cousin's wife does indeed have a wheat allergy or whatever, something we have an interesting time finding menus for Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners when she's over here, but it's not impossible. And even then (and this is a huge pet peeve of mine, and something the author of TFA stated as well) we don't serve fake wheat or whatever, we go with things she can eat.

But, the average person who goes to a McDonalds and wants a Big Mac without the buns is probably as allergic to wheat as a dieter is to calories.
2014-07-27 06:40:33 PM  
1 votes:

Glenscotia: I am on day 6 of an elimination diet to find out why I've been breaking out into hives non-stop for a month. I've only had lamb and yams since Tuesday.

Get to test wheat, oats and corn in two days and crossing my fingers that they are fine but the arm prick test doesn't make me too hopeful.

The immunologist I saw said allergies change with hormones, especially after big events like child birth. So my spring hay fever has changed from affecting my sinuses to affecting my skin/gut. Still allergic to grasses, birch, alder but now most likely as wheat, corn, and pitted fruits and almonds which are botanically related to the original allergens.

/Not getting a kick :(


You are surely down the rabbit hole now.
Best of luck.
2014-07-27 05:55:33 PM  
1 votes:
I was diagnosed with Celiac several years ago. I lost a bunch of weight afterwords, but the rest sucks. I hate being in pain if I slip up, and I hate to be a stick in the mud about food all the time. I hate the cost of GF foods, and the lack of selection.
I have a friend who self-diagnosed "gluten intolerance".
She told me recently that I am "lucky", since the pain from getting 'glutened' is so severe, I probably don't want to cheat like she does.
I don't feel lucky. I don't see why anyone would want this.
o.0
2014-07-27 05:09:37 PM  
1 votes:

Iggie: I have an aunt who claims to be gluten intolerant. I don't know if it is self-diagnosed or something she has actually seen a doctor about, but since she is generally a decent person I give her the benefit of the doubt. The only problem I had with her was when she decided that my younger daughter's developmental delays were caused by gluten, despite the fact that said daughter was born by emergency C-section after having the cord wrapped around her neck and deprived of oxygen.

I already have enough issues with the kid. Now I'm supposed to tell her that she can't have all of the foods that she loves, like pizza and pb&j sandwiches and spaghetti, just because someone has mirrored their own issues on to a child? I mean christ, we're talking about behavior and learning issues, not digestion. (Well, there are times that she can clear a room with her farts, but that is usually bean related, not wheat.) The only thing I've been able to do is thank her for the information, and tell her I'll look into it, because I don't want to be a biatch about it. *sigh*


Your aunt sounds well intentioned but stupid.
2014-07-27 05:05:47 PM  
1 votes:

addy2: I May Be Crazy But...: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

That's a good way to be certain, but it's not so good after the fact. The trick is that the gut biopsy is how you conclusively show it. The blood test says maybe you COULD have it. But, and here's the fun part, for the gut biopsy to work, you have to be eating gluten for a couple months before it. If you were feeling bad, you heard about the gluten nonsense, stopped eating gluten and felt a lot better, now the biopsy won't show anything. I know one person in that situation. She's had the blood test, and she'd love for the doctor to be able to tell her that she has Celiac so she doesn't feel like she's lying to everyone, but as bad as it was, she's not willing to eat gluten for another couple months.

That's a very creative twist on "why I know I'm sick but they can't prove it." if it's so important, suck it up and eat gluten for a couple of months.


Go back to feeling like absolute shiat for three months so you can get a doctor to tell you to stop eating the stuff you'd already stopped eating before you started eating it again just so you could get the doctor to tell you to stop eating it?

On what planet does that make sense?
2014-07-27 04:26:41 PM  
1 votes:
The absolutely only way to be sure you have celiac/coeliac disease is a blood test followed by biopsy. If you self-diagnose then the chances are you don't.

That said, anyone who has suffered chronic digestive issues, fatigue etc. should probably buy a blood test kit or ask their GP and find out.
2014-07-27 04:23:43 PM  
1 votes:

Aigoo: RoxtarRyan: Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.

If you had Celiacs, you'd know it. It isn't "mild discomfort", it is a life threatening condition. Having dated a girl for a couple years (lived with her for a while as well) and learned how to cook for someone with Celiacs, you appreciate how hard life is for them, how every little decision they make when it comes to food and drink can either allow them to feel normal, or send them to the hospital.

For others who heard about gluten from some shiat for brains asshole like Doctor Oz and think it is trendy to play make believe and they have Celiacs also, makes me want to remove their ability to procreate. I've met too many assholes who claim to have "gluten intolerance" and play the "I'm a precious snowflake" card at restaurants to seem hip and trendy, but they have a kitchen and pantry full of gluten-containing food products. When called out on it, they claim they didn't know those foods had gluten in them. They pretty much live a public life of "gluten intolerance" to make the lives of others more difficult and to draw attention to themselves, plain and simple.

It's like people not saying they have cancer, but say they have cells that are  "non-malignant intolerant", so they shave their heads and get chemotherapy because they're attention whores.

To be fair, there are neurologists who ask patients who are prone to frequent seizures to stop eating wheat/gluten because--and I wish I was making this up--that treatment approach has been proven to lessen the frequency of seizures in dogs. It's also been shown over the past 5 years or so to be effective in treating humans with "refractory" (seizures that are uncontrolled with medication) epilepsy.

My own neurologists have asked me to radically decrease the amount of wheat/gluten I consume, and yes, it does help dramatically in terms of frequency of seizures as well as overall "brain fog. ...


According to  http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/epilepsy/detail_epilepsy.htm  , the gluten-epilepsy link is only there if the patient is already intolerant to gluten.
2014-07-27 04:19:51 PM  
1 votes:

rohar: I grew up with a misdiagnosis of celiac.  You have no idea how my life changed when we finally figured it out, and I could eat Doritos.



kingglutenfree.files.wordpress.com

At least in Canada, a lot of varieties of Doritos are definitely certified gluten-free.  So I'm not sure what you're saying; were you incorrectly diagnosed as having celiac, and you were thankful you could eat Doritos again now that you knew you weren't?  Cause they're gluten-free, and you didn't have to give them up in the first place.

True of at least the Nacho and Zesty Cheese versions, that I know of (Nacho bag above)
2014-07-27 04:11:49 PM  
1 votes:

RoxtarRyan: Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.

If you had Celiacs, you'd know it. It isn't "mild discomfort", it is a life threatening condition. Having dated a girl for a couple years (lived with her for a while as well) and learned how to cook for someone with Celiacs, you appreciate how hard life is for them, how every little decision they make when it comes to food and drink can either allow them to feel normal, or send them to the hospital.

For others who heard about gluten from some shiat for brains asshole like Doctor Oz and think it is trendy to play make believe and they have Celiacs also, makes me want to remove their ability to procreate. I've met too many assholes who claim to have "gluten intolerance" and play the "I'm a precious snowflake" card at restaurants to seem hip and trendy, but they have a kitchen and pantry full of gluten-containing food products. When called out on it, they claim they didn't know those foods had gluten in them. They pretty much live a public life of "gluten intolerance" to make the lives of others more difficult and to draw attention to themselves, plain and simple.

It's like people not saying they have cancer, but say they have cells that are  "non-malignant intolerant", so they shave their heads and get chemotherapy because they're attention whores.


To be fair, there are neurologists who ask patients who are prone to frequent seizures to stop eating wheat/gluten because--and I wish I was making this up--that treatment approach has been proven to lessen the frequency of seizures in dogs. It's also been shown over the past 5 years or so to be effective in treating humans with "refractory" (seizures that are uncontrolled with medication) epilepsy.

My own neurologists have asked me to radically decrease the amount of wheat/gluten I consume, and yes, it does help dramatically in terms of frequency of seizures as well as overall "brain fog." There's also a noticeable difference for me when I do eat more wheat/gluten versus when I do not.

But no, I'm not allergic or intolerant. I simply avoid eating gluten-rich foods as much as possible. It won't kill me or (necessarily--unless I cannot stop seizing) hospitalize me if I do eat wheat or gluten, but I know that the consequences if I do are a bit of "brain fog" and/or the probability of having more seizures until it's out of my system. It's entirely up to me to make the choice whether or not those consequences are worth it--and sometimes (fresh Irish soda bread, freshly baked bread), they are totally worth it.

But it's completely unfair to state that the only reason people should avoid gluten is because they are Celiacs (which is a horrible disease and sucks for those who have it and anyone claiming to have it when they don't should be biatchslapped). It's also completely untrue--there are other valid medical reasons why a doctor might put a patient on a dietary restriction from wheat and gluten that have nothing to do with hypochondria, and everything to do with keeping them alive (epilepsy can be fatal if a patient cannot stop seizing--that's why it's generally advisable to call 911 if someone has a seizure or series of seizures that does not stop).
2014-07-27 03:32:22 PM  
1 votes:

elysive: alternaloser: the bad news is i actually have it.
/the good news is after my diagnosis i lost 40 pounds in 3 months
//feel a lot better too

I didn't know that Celiacs absorbed food well enough to get overweight.

/learn something new every day


Celiac disease mainly inhibits the absorption of iron, calcium, and vitamin D. You can still get plenty fat without those.
2014-07-27 03:23:25 PM  
1 votes:

elysive: I didn't know that Celiacs absorbed food well enough to get overweight.

/learn something new every day


It isn't quite that simple.  Celiac screws with absorption, but it isn't in a specific way.  I'm (still) overweight, though I've been losing steadily since my diagnosis (better lifestyle, it isn't the lack of gluten doing it), but my issues with absorption weren't caloric, I was dangerously low on B12 and pretty low on a few other markers, and I'd developed pretty severe lactose intolerance (which vanished after about 3 weeks of going gluten-free).

Gluten-free isn't a health diet, unless you've got celiac or something.  If someone's having intestinal troubles and they can't figure out why they feel like shiat all the time, I often suggest going gluten-free for a couple weeks because it's an easy and safe thing to check, but I'd never recommend it to someone for weight loss or general health.  Unless you have an issue with gluten, it does nothing.
2014-07-27 03:15:08 PM  
1 votes:
The whole business with allergies is ripe with bullshiat and precious little snowflake millennial douchebags trying to be hip and unique and force the world around them to bend and cave in to their demands because the world and everybody in it owes them something. Peanuts, shrimp, fish, tomatoes, gluten, cigarettes, sunlight, etc, exist in such a very small percentage of people but you would think everybody has it now and it's killing people like atomic bombs going off.

We used to fly in planes during daylight and could smoke a cigarette while eating our bag of honey roasted peanuts and drinking a beer without half the population of the planet dropping dead. If your flight had a meal and it consisted of seafood you could simply not order that and life would go on.True story, kiddos.

STFU and DIAF with your so called alleged allergies you hypochondriac attention whores.

To the very small and tiny 1% of the population with actual real allergies, my apologies and thank you for those of you old enough to just avoid the things you were allergic to instead of making a big stink of it like the millennial vermin do these days.
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2014-07-27 02:52:58 PM  
1 votes:

Gary-L: PanicMan: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: "Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.

Or maybe people were having a reaction and didn't know the term to describe it.  Or what foods to consider avoiding.


Case in point: For years, stomach ulcers were considered to be a dietary (alcohol) and/or stress related issue until a doctor hypothesized they were actually caused by bacteria.  His paper was ridiculed until he performed tests and started treating people with proper medication.


And he was getting so little traction that his initial test was knocking back a vial of helicobacter to prove that it gave him ulcers. Lose/Win, I guess? Proved that he was right in a manner that was pretty damn unpleasant for him.

/or, as they were known, "the glory days of research"
//have no doubt that celiac is real
///even less doubt that a decent number of "I can't have gluten" snowflakes are faking it to feel special
2014-07-27 02:51:02 PM  
1 votes:

HalfOffOffer: yes lots of people have a wheat intolerance due to the GMO frankenwheat that is in everything.


No, they don't.
2014-07-27 02:47:45 PM  
1 votes:
As someone who HAS Celiac I've heard it all. I was sick and I mean sick for 15 years with a few doctors without doing one test. I heard everything from your lazy and eating wrong EAT MORE GRAINS which of course just made it worse. To your crazy we need to send you to a shrink.

I made fun of the gluten free and peanut allergy people too. But I don't make a big deal out of it. I still go the same restaurants I'm just careful and what I order. I don't act like a a**hole and make a stink!

Finally found a doctor who first had me keep a food diary for a month then put me on a very restrictive diet. He slowly had me add foods back and when I had a reaction he had tests preformed. It could have been a milk allergy for all I knew I was surprised that I had Celiac Disease.

No one would think of going up to someone with cancer and telling them that they're crazy. People who had cancer hundreds of years ago were probably called crazy too until medical science caught up.

Just because it's not you doesn't mean it's not real.
2014-07-27 02:46:54 PM  
1 votes:

PanicMan: Right until you see someone doubled over in pain because of one beer that they thought was gluten-free but was actually gluten-removed.

And they've been to a doctor and are clear for celiacs.


Might be something related to a carbohydrate intolerance (see low-FODMAP diet for details).  It's often mistaken for gluten intolerance because some of the same foods trigger IBS symptoms.
2014-07-27 02:46:21 PM  
1 votes:
elysive:. There are lots of ways to lose weight on diets (few of them sustainable) but removing a food group from your diet is one really easy way.

Wheat isn't a food group and my father and sister still eat plenty of grains.  They just avoid wheat, barley and rye.
2014-07-27 02:27:32 PM  
1 votes:

BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal


And I bet you that it wasn't just nothing but going gluten free. To do that they must have necessarily changed a lot of their eating habits and paid a lot more attention to what they were consuming.

I lost about 30 lbs or so back in the day by not drinking sodas any more, and switching to only drinking water... but in doing so I also was hydrating myself more, and eating less fast food as well. Going gluten free for the average American on an average American diet would mean a pretty sizeable shift in consumption patterns and habits in general. They'd have to pay more attention to what they were eating, and that could make a big difference.
2014-07-27 02:26:57 PM  
1 votes:

BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal


Did they stop eating junk food all the time and start preparing their own healthy meals to go gluten free?
2014-07-27 02:24:00 PM  
1 votes:

mongbiohazard: HalfOffOffer: In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real.  I know this because I don't have it.  Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.

Same thing for you. The article isn't about that. You could try reading it rather than just making up a whole fictional article in your head and replying to that.


FTA:  Why not just say, "I can't eat wheat," or, "I'm allergic to wheat." I'm guessing it's because many people aren't necessarily allergic to wheat--they just think they are.

A similar article comes out every week.  Some douche writing an article about how celiac only makes up 1% of the population and the rest are ill-informed hypochondriacs (this time wrapped in a delightful article about how being a chef means dealing with stupid people)... once again completely missing the point that wheat intolerance is not the same thing as celiac and yes lots of people have a wheat intolerance due to the GMO frankenwheat that is in everything.   Although I read the article, I don't need to. I already know what it's about.  Then everyone jumps on the suck-each-others-dick bandwagon and denigrate people who think they have a gluten problem.  And although there is a misunderstanding, many of these people truly do have a dietary issue... more often, though, to wheat not gluten.  My point is... just because people are stupid (and they are), and just because you don't suffer from something, and just because you don't completely understand something, and just because the person suffering doesn't completely understand, doesn't mean it is not a real thing.
2014-07-27 02:21:50 PM  
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DarkVader: mongbiohazard: So celiac disease is real, and it sucks to have it, but that's not why a lot of other low information people are going to claim they have it. Gluten has been demonized by a lot of folks out to make a buck, and now a lot of people have convinced themselves they have an intolerance to it not because they actually do, or even have any idea what they're talking about, but instead because they are susceptible to suggestion. Hence him noting that the woman drinks beer, which has gluten in it, and wouldn't eat risotto which doesn't. If she really had Celiac she would have known better... THAT'S how you can tell without being a doctor... Like in the tales of King Soloman, sometimes the guilty parties sort themselves out.

Nobody is claiming that celiac disease is fake.

Only that non-celiac gluten intolerance is fake.  Because it's fake.


I'm willing to go ahead and grant that some people out there could possibly have a non-celiac allergy/reaction to gluten... but TFA is not talking about people who have a real problem. It's talking about people who either just falsely assume that gluten free = more healthy or those who think they have a disorder that they don't for hypochondria reasons (like the lady in TFA who exposed herself as one of those without knowing it).
2014-07-27 02:17:48 PM  
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Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.


No one is saying that Celiac itself is fake. What we are saying is that since only 1% actually have it, yet 25% (or more) of all Americans claim to have it, 24 out of every 25 people who claim to be "gluten-intolerant" are faking it.
2014-07-27 02:09:17 PM  
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zimbomba63: Yeah, the University of Chicago has a Celiac Disease Center, but, who are you going to believe Chef Boy-Ar-Dee or the University of Chicago.


You forgot the /DNRTFA part of your post.
2014-07-27 02:07:28 PM  
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cwolf20: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: cwolf20: TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People

I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.



Putting aside whether Italians are "white" or not (they are btw), they are certainly European. celiac is mainly a Indo-European disease, meaning it is common only in Europe and in North India (the "Indo" means India). Basically these are people who speak the same languages, had the same religions (norse and hindu holy books are both called '(v)eddas', etc) and are all descended from steppe roamers.

Italy has so many people with celiac, that it is a standard genetic birth test these days over there from what I hear.
2014-07-27 02:06:57 PM  
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HalfOffOffer: In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real.  I know this because I don't have it.  Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.


Most people are just fat and lazy and want an excuse to be. Like gluten intolerance, the real cases are few. G.I. is like what lactose intolerance was like in the 90s. Everyone wanted to be in the hip lactose intolerant club until it was no longer a fad, now no one seems to be lactose intolerant any more (save for the very few who actually ARE).

I predict eggs will be the evil of the next decade. People will claim to be ova-sensitive.
2014-07-27 01:58:34 PM  
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Yeah, the University of Chicago has a Celiac Disease Center, but, who are you going to believe Chef Boy-Ar-Dee or the University of Chicago.
2014-07-27 01:58:08 PM  
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There isn't any doubt that some people have a reaction to gluten.  They're a small minority compared to people who self diagnosed based on something they saw on Dr Oz.
2014-07-27 01:56:47 PM  
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jaytkay: PanicMan: Right until you see someone doubled over in pain because of one beer that they thought was gluten-free but was actually gluten-removed.

And they've been to a doctor and are clear for celiacs.

It absolutely must be the gluten. Cuz gluten is absolutely the sole thing on Earth that might cause pain.

And a sip of beer is pretty much 450% gluten.


One example of many.  But thank you for your concern.
2014-07-27 01:52:39 PM  
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Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.


Interesting approach to topical matters.

I do have a condition. I'm diabetic. It is certainly genetic, and it ravages us all in my family. And yet, I recognize a definite, provable relationship between diabetes and grain consumption. Celiac be damned, I contend with about 20 years of observations that diabetes is a grain related condition. I anticipate serious disagreement from others here at fark.com, but using your stated gold standard, if they are not themselves diabetic, regardless of their level of education or expertise, I can haughtily dismiss them as dicks. Cool!

Regarding your comment above, my being a diabetic somehow gives me clout in discussing the matter which exceeds the foolish opinions of those pesky medical professionals. I'm a god!

/If only this rule applied in the Politics Tab, the world would be a better place. Thanks Canuck!
2014-07-27 01:49:26 PM  
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There are too many people that have the strong opinion that anything they, i A- know nothing about B- have no experience with C- cannot grasp the concept of, simply cannot be real. If it exists outside their little cubicle of life it scares them.
Idiots.
Trends are stupid.
2014-07-27 01:45:27 PM  
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My wife's best friend is "gluten intolerant" and refuses to eat wheat claiming it makes her sick. She also works for Univera and daily consumes their 20 dollar orange juice because it sooo much healthier.

A few months ago she got drunk on Coors at our house and ate half a medium pizza that was left over in the fridge.
2014-07-27 01:42:51 PM  
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Celiac sucks balls for those few who have it, and I sympathize with them.

There are a lot of hypochondriacs out there.

Marc Vetri is the farking man.  One of the very best chefs in the United States, with no pomp or ego about it. The guy is class act.

/that is all
2014-07-27 01:37:10 PM  
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Right until you see someone doubled over in pain because of one beer that they thought was gluten-free but was actually gluten-removed.

And they've been to a doctor and are clear for celiacs.
2014-07-27 01:29:44 PM  
1 votes:
the bad news is i actually have it.
/the good news is after my diagnosis i lost 40 pounds in 3 months
//feel a lot better too
2014-07-27 01:27:52 PM  
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I probably don't, because I literally do.
2014-07-27 01:24:03 PM  
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Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.


That's a good way to be certain, but it's not so good after the fact. The trick is that the gut biopsy is how you conclusively show it. The blood test says maybe you COULD have it. But, and here's the fun part, for the gut biopsy to work, you have to be eating gluten for a couple months before it. If you were feeling bad, you heard about the gluten nonsense, stopped eating gluten and felt a lot better, now the biopsy won't show anything. I know one person in that situation. She's had the blood test, and she'd love for the doctor to be able to tell her that she has Celiac so she doesn't feel like she's lying to everyone, but as bad as it was, she's not willing to eat gluten for another couple months.
2014-07-27 01:18:34 PM  
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I'm sick and tired of this shiat
2014-07-27 01:15:39 PM  
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Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.


Subby said you, not your mom.
 
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