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2014-07-27 09:48:13 AM
I am not ready to dismiss the "intolerance" out of hand. True, "real" celiac disease is very rare. With SEVERE malnutrition as the problem, not "Gee, I don't feel good."
But, medically, we have no "real" investigation of intolerance. Unless you are willing to accept the Monsanto agenda laden "stuff". Humans usually display a spectrum of sensitivity and intolerance (mild to severe) rather than black/white reactions.
I find far too many patients with anecdotal reports of improvement in quality of life. We have dealt with hypochondria since decent record keeping began. Some of the alarm is due to hypochondria.
But there is something new afoot.
 
2014-07-27 01:09:32 PM
So we're allowed to be intolerant towards gluten, but not gay marriage?

I see how it is, libs.
 
2014-07-27 01:12:55 PM
What kind of doctor is this guy?
 
2014-07-27 01:12:58 PM
... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.
 
2014-07-27 01:13:07 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So we're allowed to be intolerant towards gluten, but not gay marriage?

I see how it is, libs.


Show gay marriage is a PROFIT instead of an expense and it would go in lot easier.
Should not be that hard.
 
2014-07-27 01:15:39 PM

Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.


Subby said you, not your mom.
 
2014-07-27 01:18:34 PM
I'm sick and tired of this shiat
 
2014-07-27 01:20:36 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So we're allowed to be intolerant towards gluten, but not gay marriage?

I see how it is, libs.


I'm on a trip to a funeral and needed a good laugh. I'd give you two funnies, if this cheap phone would let me.
 
2014-07-27 01:21:14 PM
Ha. I am actually in the midst of writing a feature article about gluten-free beverages.
 
2014-07-27 01:22:48 PM
People just want to belong to groups, and to be special.  Gluten intolerance lets these snowflakes be special and unique...together!  They can form support groups and bemoan how that nasty Monsanto wheat made their tummys rumble most dis-harmoniously.  It certainly wasn't because they ate an entire box of cookies in one sitting.

Then there's the group of people who will just fleece the above group and charge them money, so that they can affirm their specialness.  These people have five billion reasons to continue the charade.

Then there are the poor folks who actually have Celiac disease, who happily now have more food choices, but unhappily have to deal with the snarky people like me who like to mock the hypochondriacs.
 
2014-07-27 01:23:36 PM

snocone: I am not ready to dismiss the "intolerance" out of hand. True, "real" celiac disease is very rare. With SEVERE malnutrition as the problem, not "Gee, I don't feel good."
But, medically, we have no "real" investigation of intolerance. Unless you are willing to accept the Monsanto agenda laden "stuff". Humans usually display a spectrum of sensitivity and intolerance (mild to severe) rather than black/white reactions.
I find far too many patients with anecdotal reports of improvement in quality of life. We have dealt with hypochondria since decent record keeping began. Some of the alarm is due to hypochondria.
But there is something new afoot.


Celiac is about 1 in every 117 Americans.  That's not exactly rare.

As for gluten intolerance.  It's bullshiat.

The reason why you feel like shiat is because you eat shiatty food.
 
2014-07-27 01:24:03 PM

Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.


That's a good way to be certain, but it's not so good after the fact. The trick is that the gut biopsy is how you conclusively show it. The blood test says maybe you COULD have it. But, and here's the fun part, for the gut biopsy to work, you have to be eating gluten for a couple months before it. If you were feeling bad, you heard about the gluten nonsense, stopped eating gluten and felt a lot better, now the biopsy won't show anything. I know one person in that situation. She's had the blood test, and she'd love for the doctor to be able to tell her that she has Celiac so she doesn't feel like she's lying to everyone, but as bad as it was, she's not willing to eat gluten for another couple months.
 
2014-07-27 01:25:31 PM
Related story about how weird the human body is. (Or how weird I am)

I smoked for around 10 years. I finally decided to quit and was able to do it cold turkey. I had a persistent cough afterwords for years.
One day I Googled "Cough and Smoking" to see if I could figure out why I still had it. I got nothing but Lung cancer hits.

The next week I started to get pains in my chest, like really nasty pains. I manged to convince myself I had cancer. They were so sever they
keep me awake at night. I was scared to go to the doctor because I didn't want to hear the Big C. Finally my wife got sick of it and dragged me down
to an insta-care and they took a chest xray. I was sitting in the waiting room waiting for my death sentence when the doctor came in and told me nothing
was wrong.

The pain in my chest dissipated within 20 minutes. It was so bizarre. It was all in my head.


Morals to the story:
Don't diagnose yourself on Google.
Don't Smoke.
Be excellent to each other.

CSB!
 
2014-07-27 01:26:21 PM

Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.


"Probably"
 
2014-07-27 01:26:28 PM

unfarkingbelievable: Ha. I am actually in the midst of writing a feature article about gluten-free beverages.


That's unfarkingbelievable.
 
2014-07-27 01:27:13 PM
First unwashed spinach gave us the sh&ts, now celery? Geez, it's getting so the only thing you can eat is pizza and pulled pork. Good.
 
2014-07-27 01:27:52 PM
I probably don't, because I literally do.
 
2014-07-27 01:28:29 PM
 
2014-07-27 01:29:44 PM
the bad news is i actually have it.
/the good news is after my diagnosis i lost 40 pounds in 3 months
//feel a lot better too
 
2014-07-27 01:31:37 PM
Can we get this on a billboard?
 
2014-07-27 01:31:38 PM
It's probably lupus.
 
2014-07-27 01:32:22 PM
Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.
 
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2014-07-27 01:35:37 PM
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2014-07-27 01:37:10 PM
Right until you see someone doubled over in pain because of one beer that they thought was gluten-free but was actually gluten-removed.

And they've been to a doctor and are clear for celiacs.
 
2014-07-27 01:38:17 PM

snocone: I am not ready to dismiss the "intolerance" out of hand. True, "real" celiac disease is very rare. With SEVERE malnutrition as the problem, not "Gee, I don't feel good."
But, medically, we have no "real" investigation of intolerance. Unless you are willing to accept the Monsanto agenda laden "stuff". Humans usually display a spectrum of sensitivity and intolerance (mild to severe) rather than black/white reactions.
I find far too many patients with anecdotal reports of improvement in quality of life. We have dealt with hypochondria since decent record keeping began. Some of the alarm is due to hypochondria.
But there is something new afoot.


"Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.
 
2014-07-27 01:39:05 PM

PanicMan: Right until you see someone doubled over in pain because of one beer that they thought was gluten-free but was actually gluten-removed.

And they've been to a doctor and are clear for celiacs.


I'd get a second opinion at that point.
 
2014-07-27 01:39:10 PM

TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People


I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.
 
2014-07-27 01:42:04 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: ruta: It would be nice if the link went to Marc Vetri's article instead of an article about it [link].

Speaking of TFA, "Get your grain milled locally, or buy a hand-crank mill of your own."

Great idea.  I think I'll run down to the local water mill and... oh, wait.  The local water mill is now a B&B with a charming old-timey restaurant attached.  How the hell can someone write an article suggesting that one make one's own flour without a reference, a link, somethingabout how precisely one might go about that?


There's a minimum of two local bakeries in my area that mill their own wheat. They sell heavenly bread for $5 a loaf, 50% off for day-old. and that's just the suburb I'm in- there's many more in the whole area.
 
2014-07-27 01:42:31 PM

cwolf20: TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People

I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.


Please, Italians have been White since Hispanics became the new Blacks.
 
2014-07-27 01:42:37 PM
You probably don't have Lyme disease either.  Or Bartonella.  Or Babeosis but you certainly have hypochondria.
 
2014-07-27 01:42:51 PM
Celiac sucks balls for those few who have it, and I sympathize with them.

There are a lot of hypochondriacs out there.

Marc Vetri is the farking man.  One of the very best chefs in the United States, with no pomp or ego about it. The guy is class act.

/that is all
 
2014-07-27 01:43:29 PM
In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real.  I know this because I don't have it.  Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.
 
2014-07-27 01:43:36 PM

ReverendJynxed: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

Subby said you, not your mom.


That's unusual for Fark.
 
2014-07-27 01:45:12 PM

Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.


Want to know how I know you've never worked in a restaurant?

Every time something hits the news, like MSG and gluten intolerances, suddenly EVERYONE has it. Even when the dishes they've been eating for years never contained any to begin with.

The Placebo Effect is a powerful thing...
 
2014-07-27 01:45:16 PM

Katie98_KT: Manfred J. Hattan: ruta: It would be nice if the link went to Marc Vetri's article instead of an article about it [link].

Speaking of TFA, "Get your grain milled locally, or buy a hand-crank mill of your own."

Great idea.  I think I'll run down to the local water mill and... oh, wait.  The local water mill is now a B&B with a charming old-timey restaurant attached.  How the hell can someone write an article suggesting that one make one's own flour without a reference, a link, somethingabout how precisely one might go about that?

There's a minimum of two local bakeries in my area that mill their own wheat. They sell heavenly bread for $5 a loaf, 50% off for day-old. and that's just the suburb I'm in- there's many more in the whole area.


Not to mention a little thing called Google
 
2014-07-27 01:45:27 PM
My wife's best friend is "gluten intolerant" and refuses to eat wheat claiming it makes her sick. She also works for Univera and daily consumes their 20 dollar orange juice because it sooo much healthier.

A few months ago she got drunk on Coors at our house and ate half a medium pizza that was left over in the fridge.
 
2014-07-27 01:45:45 PM

Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.


It wouldn't and the article isn't about that. You COULD read it before just creating a whole fictional narrative in your head about what it says, you know.
 
2014-07-27 01:46:46 PM

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: "Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.


Or maybe people were having a reaction and didn't know the term to describe it.  Or what foods to consider avoiding.
 
2014-07-27 01:48:09 PM

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: cwolf20: TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People

I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.

Please, Italians have been White since Hispanics became the new Blacks.


Tell that to the rednecks in Tennessee who confused her uncle with a "damn farking muslim farker. get the fark back to your farking shiat country"
 
2014-07-27 01:49:26 PM
There are too many people that have the strong opinion that anything they, i A- know nothing about B- have no experience with C- cannot grasp the concept of, simply cannot be real. If it exists outside their little cubicle of life it scares them.
Idiots.
Trends are stupid.
 
2014-07-27 01:50:29 PM

HalfOffOffer: In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real.  I know this because I don't have it.  Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.


Same thing for you. The article isn't about that. You could try reading it rather than just making up a whole fictional article in your head and replying to that.
 
2014-07-27 01:50:38 PM

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: cwolf20: TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People

I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.

Please, Italians have been White since Hispanics became the new Blacks.


On another note. A friend of mine was born with the recessive Italian gene that makes him pasty white. He's the only white Italian at periodic holiday vacations and family reunions with rooms full of Italians.  In his words, he's the token white man. Also as he put it  "Italian skin, italian skin, oh look it's James, Italian skin, italian skin.."
 
2014-07-27 01:51:53 PM
cwolf20:

Tell that to the rednecks in Tennessee who confused her uncle with a "damn farking muslim farker. get the fark back to your farking shiat country"

To be fair, rednecks aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed.
 
2014-07-27 01:52:34 PM
I have a friend who recently "became holistic." Since then everyone she knows suffer from some syndrome, allergy, ailment, or disease. It Is annoying.
 
2014-07-27 01:52:39 PM

Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.


Interesting approach to topical matters.

I do have a condition. I'm diabetic. It is certainly genetic, and it ravages us all in my family. And yet, I recognize a definite, provable relationship between diabetes and grain consumption. Celiac be damned, I contend with about 20 years of observations that diabetes is a grain related condition. I anticipate serious disagreement from others here at fark.com, but using your stated gold standard, if they are not themselves diabetic, regardless of their level of education or expertise, I can haughtily dismiss them as dicks. Cool!

Regarding your comment above, my being a diabetic somehow gives me clout in discussing the matter which exceeds the foolish opinions of those pesky medical professionals. I'm a god!

/If only this rule applied in the Politics Tab, the world would be a better place. Thanks Canuck!
 
2014-07-27 01:52:40 PM

PanicMan: Right until you see someone doubled over in pain because of one beer that they thought was gluten-free but was actually gluten-removed.

And they've been to a doctor and are clear for celiacs.


It absolutely must be the gluten. Cuz gluten is absolutely the sole thing on Earth that might cause pain.

And a sip of beer is pretty much 450% gluten.
 
2014-07-27 01:53:53 PM

mongbiohazard: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

It wouldn't and the article isn't about that. You COULD read it before just creating a whole fictional narrative in your head about what it says, you know.


Why are you complaining about not reading articles when you didn't even read the headline?
 
2014-07-27 01:54:49 PM

jaytkay: PanicMan: Right until you see someone doubled over in pain because of one beer that they thought was gluten-free but was actually gluten-removed.

And they've been to a doctor and are clear for celiacs.

It absolutely must be the gluten. Cuz gluten is absolutely the sole thing on Earth that might cause pain.

And a sip of beer is pretty much 450% gluten.


Unless it's one specifically made without it.  There are a few types. Granted the companies did it for the increased profit not out of the goodness of their hearts.
 
2014-07-27 01:56:47 PM

jaytkay: PanicMan: Right until you see someone doubled over in pain because of one beer that they thought was gluten-free but was actually gluten-removed.

And they've been to a doctor and are clear for celiacs.

It absolutely must be the gluten. Cuz gluten is absolutely the sole thing on Earth that might cause pain.

And a sip of beer is pretty much 450% gluten.


One example of many.  But thank you for your concern.
 
2014-07-27 01:58:08 PM
There isn't any doubt that some people have a reaction to gluten.  They're a small minority compared to people who self diagnosed based on something they saw on Dr Oz.
 
2014-07-27 01:58:33 PM

ReverendJynxed: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

Subby said you, not your mom.


Ah. I don't have it yet, though I am keeping an eye out, since she developed it in her forty's. We have CRAZY strong immune systems in my family, but they seem to come with a price. (She also no longer has a thyroid).

mongbiohazard: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

It wouldn't and the article isn't about that. You COULD read it before just creating a whole fictional narrative in your head about what it says, you know.


Perhaps I am reacting to the headline, and not the article?
(Since you know DAMN WELL there are people on this site that are all "LOL celiac's fake lol."
 
2014-07-27 01:58:34 PM
Yeah, the University of Chicago has a Celiac Disease Center, but, who are you going to believe Chef Boy-Ar-Dee or the University of Chicago.
 
2014-07-27 02:00:35 PM

Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.


If you had Celiacs, you'd know it. It isn't "mild discomfort", it is a life threatening condition. Having dated a girl for a couple years (lived with her for a while as well) and learned how to cook for someone with Celiacs, you appreciate how hard life is for them, how every little decision they make when it comes to food and drink can either allow them to feel normal, or send them to the hospital.

For others who heard about gluten from some shiat for brains asshole like Doctor Oz and think it is trendy to play make believe and they have Celiacs also, makes me want to remove their ability to procreate. I've met too many assholes who claim to have "gluten intolerance" and play the "I'm a precious snowflake" card at restaurants to seem hip and trendy, but they have a kitchen and pantry full of gluten-containing food products. When called out on it, they claim they didn't know those foods had gluten in them. They pretty much live a public life of "gluten intolerance" to make the lives of others more difficult and to draw attention to themselves, plain and simple.

It's like people not saying they have cancer, but say they have cells that are  "non-malignant intolerant", so they shave their heads and get chemotherapy because they're attention whores.
 
2014-07-27 02:05:00 PM
I caught hypochondria once from a carnie. Worst year of my life.
 
2014-07-27 02:05:26 PM
So people who have this condition get mad at people who have experience with people they know who make up the fact that they have the condition? And they lash out at people talking about the fakers?

Whatever.
 
2014-07-27 02:06:05 PM

zimbomba63: but, who are you going to believe Chef Boy-Ar-Dee or the University of Chicago.


Only trust the Gorton's Fisherman.
 
2014-07-27 02:06:43 PM

Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.


"Gut biopsy" is just what we call it when I put it in her pooper.

/Hey, Farkers, you're slipping, that was way too obvious to let it go that long.
 
2014-07-27 02:06:57 PM

HalfOffOffer: In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real.  I know this because I don't have it.  Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.


Most people are just fat and lazy and want an excuse to be. Like gluten intolerance, the real cases are few. G.I. is like what lactose intolerance was like in the 90s. Everyone wanted to be in the hip lactose intolerant club until it was no longer a fad, now no one seems to be lactose intolerant any more (save for the very few who actually ARE).

I predict eggs will be the evil of the next decade. People will claim to be ova-sensitive.
 
2014-07-27 02:07:28 PM
cwolf20: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: cwolf20: TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People

I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.



Putting aside whether Italians are "white" or not (they are btw), they are certainly European. celiac is mainly a Indo-European disease, meaning it is common only in Europe and in North India (the "Indo" means India). Basically these are people who speak the same languages, had the same religions (norse and hindu holy books are both called '(v)eddas', etc) and are all descended from steppe roamers.

Italy has so many people with celiac, that it is a standard genetic birth test these days over there from what I hear.
 
2014-07-27 02:07:50 PM

unfarkingbelievable: Ha. I am actually in the midst of writing a feature article about gluten-free beverages.


Can you mention that "gluten free free beverages can kiss my ass?"
Thanks in advance

/all I ever drink is beer
 
2014-07-27 02:07:57 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: So we're allowed to be intolerant towards gluten, but not gay marriage?

I see how it is, libs.


Nicely done.
 
2014-07-27 02:09:17 PM

zimbomba63: Yeah, the University of Chicago has a Celiac Disease Center, but, who are you going to believe Chef Boy-Ar-Dee or the University of Chicago.


You forgot the /DNRTFA part of your post.
 
2014-07-27 02:09:34 PM

PanicMan: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: "Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.

Or maybe people were having a reaction and didn't know the term to describe it.  Or what foods to consider avoiding.


Celiac is a real thing... but so are the placebo and nocebo effects. In a large population you will always have a certain percentage who are susceptible to suggestion and irrationality.

Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World he has a whole chapter which talks about how every time something airs on TV about aliens people in the region it aired suddenly have a spike in alien reports. And when something about aliens is popularized suddenly those reports change in detail to match what was aired on TV also. Like people used to report "little green men" but after the Roswell myths with grey, elongated, skinny aliens came out all of a sudden people's reports mysteriously and suddenly changed to match that new, popularized fictional vision.

It isn't that there were so many aliens flying around out there abducting people that no one had the words to describe them all, it's that there's a percentage of the population who is now going to make up shiat that matches the stuff they saw on TV. That's just a fact when you live in a society.

So celiac disease is real, and it sucks to have it, but that's not why a lot of other low information people are going to claim they have it. Gluten has been demonized by a lot of folks out to make a buck, and now a lot of people have convinced themselves they have an intolerance to it not because they actually do, or even have any idea what they're talking about, but instead because they are susceptible to suggestion. Hence him noting that the woman drinks beer, which has gluten in it, and wouldn't eat risotto which doesn't. If she really had Celiac she would have known better... THAT'S how you can tell without being a doctor... Like in the tales of King Soloman, sometimes the guilty parties sort themselves out.
 
2014-07-27 02:11:20 PM

Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.


Actually, the dicks are the people who claim they have a condition that is fake.
 
2014-07-27 02:13:33 PM

pstudent12: cwolf20: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: cwolf20: TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People

I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.


Putting aside whether Italians are "white" or not (they are btw), they are certainly European. celiac is mainly a Indo-European disease, meaning it is common only in Europe and in North India (the "Indo" means India). Basically these are people who speak the same languages, had the same religions (norse and hindu holy books are both called '(v)eddas', etc) and are all descended from steppe roamers.

Italy has so many people with celiac, that it is a standard genetic birth test these days over there from what I hear.


I go by what the italian family thinks. Saves time. They joke about how non-white they are. As does their "brother from a different mother" black friend (His words, and their words) who has helped them through a lot of shiatty times.
 
2014-07-27 02:14:19 PM

BATMANATEE: mongbiohazard: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

It wouldn't and the article isn't about that. You COULD read it before just creating a whole fictional narrative in your head about what it says, you know.

Why are you complaining about not reading articles when you didn't even read the headline?


I read it just fine, but maybe you should take a second run at it. It didn't make a your mom joke. The headline didn't say "no one" has Celibacy disease, you know.

Beam from your own eye, and somesuch...
 
2014-07-27 02:15:03 PM
FART!
 
2014-07-27 02:15:11 PM
Damn you auto-correct...
 
2014-07-27 02:15:43 PM

cwolf20: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: cwolf20: TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People

I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.

Please, Italians have been White since Hispanics became the new Blacks.

On another note. A friend of mine was born with the recessive Italian gene that makes him pasty white. He's the only white Italian at periodic holiday vacations and family reunions with rooms full of Italians.  In his words, he's the token white man. Also as he put it  "Italian skin, italian skin, oh look it's James, Italian skin, italian skin.."


A recessive Italian gene you say?
s28.postimg.org
 
2014-07-27 02:16:33 PM

mongbiohazard: So celiac disease is real, and it sucks to have it, but that's not why a lot of other low information people are going to claim they have it. Gluten has been demonized by a lot of folks out to make a buck, and now a lot of people have convinced themselves they have an intolerance to it not because they actually do, or even have any idea what they're talking about, but instead because they are susceptible to suggestion. Hence him noting that the woman drinks beer, which has gluten in it, and wouldn't eat risotto which doesn't. If she really had Celiac she would have known better... THAT'S how you can tell without being a doctor... Like in the tales of King Soloman, sometimes the guilty parties sort themselves out.


Nobody is claiming that celiac disease is fake.

Only that non-celiac gluten intolerance is fake.  Because it's fake.
 
2014-07-27 02:16:38 PM

Felgraf: ReverendJynxed: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

Subby said you, not your mom.

Ah. I don't have it yet, though I am keeping an eye out, since she developed it in her forty's. We have CRAZY strong immune systems in my family, but they seem to come with a price. (She also no longer has a thyroid).

mongbiohazard: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

It wouldn't and the article isn't about that. You COULD read it before just creating a whole fictional narrative in your head about what it says, you know.

Perhaps I am reacting to the headline, and not the article?
(Since you know DAMN WELL there are people on this site that are all "LOL celiac's fake lol."


Well then you were doing a piss-poor job of it if that's the case. The headline didn't make a your mom joke, and it didn't say "no one" has it.
 
2014-07-27 02:16:55 PM
From: Nutrition Action Health Letter, a division of the center for science in the public interest:

"In 2013  Australian researchers put 37 patients without celiacs disease on a diet that was low in FODMAPS (fermentable oligosaccharides, disaccharides, monosaccharides, and polyols) fructose, lactose, sorbitol, and other short chained carbohydrates that are poorly absorbed. The diet was low in gluten but not gluten free. While their symptoms improved, adding back gluten patients had no more, or fewer symptoms than adding back a placebo (Whey)....The whole premise that there is a disorder called non-celiac gluten sensitivity has no scientific evidence to support it."

Paraphrased a bit but you get the gist.

/celiacs can't absorb food well and are skinny.
//Cutting gluten doesn't help you loose weight
///Dr. Oz is a schill
 
2014-07-27 02:17:48 PM

Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.


No one is saying that Celiac itself is fake. What we are saying is that since only 1% actually have it, yet 25% (or more) of all Americans claim to have it, 24 out of every 25 people who claim to be "gluten-intolerant" are faking it.
 
2014-07-27 02:19:36 PM

PanicMan: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: "Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.

Or maybe people were having a reaction and didn't know the term to describe it.  Or what foods to consider avoiding.



Case in point: For years, stomach ulcers were considered to be a dietary (alcohol) and/or stress related issue until a doctor hypothesized they were actually caused by bacteria.  His paper was ridiculed until he performed tests and started treating people with proper medication.
 
2014-07-27 02:20:38 PM

alternaloser: the bad news is i actually have it.
/the good news is after my diagnosis i lost 40 pounds in 3 months
//feel a lot better too


I didn't know that Celiacs absorbed food well enough to get overweight.

/learn something new every day
 
2014-07-27 02:20:53 PM
My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal
 
2014-07-27 02:21:50 PM

DarkVader: mongbiohazard: So celiac disease is real, and it sucks to have it, but that's not why a lot of other low information people are going to claim they have it. Gluten has been demonized by a lot of folks out to make a buck, and now a lot of people have convinced themselves they have an intolerance to it not because they actually do, or even have any idea what they're talking about, but instead because they are susceptible to suggestion. Hence him noting that the woman drinks beer, which has gluten in it, and wouldn't eat risotto which doesn't. If she really had Celiac she would have known better... THAT'S how you can tell without being a doctor... Like in the tales of King Soloman, sometimes the guilty parties sort themselves out.

Nobody is claiming that celiac disease is fake.

Only that non-celiac gluten intolerance is fake.  Because it's fake.


I'm willing to go ahead and grant that some people out there could possibly have a non-celiac allergy/reaction to gluten... but TFA is not talking about people who have a real problem. It's talking about people who either just falsely assume that gluten free = more healthy or those who think they have a disorder that they don't for hypochondria reasons (like the lady in TFA who exposed herself as one of those without knowing it).
 
2014-07-27 02:22:31 PM

cwolf20: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: cwolf20: TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People

I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.

Please, Italians have been White since Hispanics became the new Blacks.

Tell that to the rednecks in Tennessee who confused her uncle with a "damn farking muslim farker. get the fark back to your farking shiat country"


At the same time, consider that those Tennessee rednecks were likely descended from a bunch of manky Scots and Limey Bastards.

/cuts both ways
 
2014-07-27 02:23:08 PM
I think I was into my 20's when I first heard about people who were allergic to peanuts. I thought who the heck is allergic to peanuts? When I was a kid, every kid in the neighborhood practically lived off peanut butter, PBJs were every kids staple. I don't recall anyone who couldn't eat it. Now a lot more years later I hear about people who can't eat gluten. Had to look it up, I didn't know what the heck it was. Wheat? Really? Look, if you are never exposed to anything, how do you develop a tolerance for anything? Didn't Mom give you a cracker or a biscuit when you were Teething? People these days use disinfectant wipes for everything. Hell, when I was a kid, sometimes I came home so dirty from out playing all day, Mom said I was too dirty to use the tub in the bathroom so I had to take a bath in the cement stationary tub in the basement! "Mom, the washing machine hoses pour out in there!" Lemmee tell you, I still remember my little bare butt on the concrete in that tub, it wasn't pleasant! I always thought well, you have to get a little Dirt under your fingernails from time to time. It keeps you Honest. Apparently it helps in other ways as well. As far as I know, I'm not allergic to Anything!
 
2014-07-27 02:23:50 PM

BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal


Cutting food out of one's diet might help weight loss? No farkin' way!
 
2014-07-27 02:24:00 PM

mongbiohazard: HalfOffOffer: In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real.  I know this because I don't have it.  Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.

Same thing for you. The article isn't about that. You could try reading it rather than just making up a whole fictional article in your head and replying to that.


FTA:  Why not just say, "I can't eat wheat," or, "I'm allergic to wheat." I'm guessing it's because many people aren't necessarily allergic to wheat--they just think they are.

A similar article comes out every week.  Some douche writing an article about how celiac only makes up 1% of the population and the rest are ill-informed hypochondriacs (this time wrapped in a delightful article about how being a chef means dealing with stupid people)... once again completely missing the point that wheat intolerance is not the same thing as celiac and yes lots of people have a wheat intolerance due to the GMO frankenwheat that is in everything.   Although I read the article, I don't need to. I already know what it's about.  Then everyone jumps on the suck-each-others-dick bandwagon and denigrate people who think they have a gluten problem.  And although there is a misunderstanding, many of these people truly do have a dietary issue... more often, though, to wheat not gluten.  My point is... just because people are stupid (and they are), and just because you don't suffer from something, and just because you don't completely understand something, and just because the person suffering doesn't completely understand, doesn't mean it is not a real thing.
 
2014-07-27 02:24:34 PM

HalfOffOffer: In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real.  I know this because I don't have it.  Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.


My wife has it. I'm pretty sure she is just making it up
 
2014-07-27 02:26:57 PM

BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal


Did they stop eating junk food all the time and start preparing their own healthy meals to go gluten free?
 
2014-07-27 02:27:32 PM

BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal


And I bet you that it wasn't just nothing but going gluten free. To do that they must have necessarily changed a lot of their eating habits and paid a lot more attention to what they were consuming.

I lost about 30 lbs or so back in the day by not drinking sodas any more, and switching to only drinking water... but in doing so I also was hydrating myself more, and eating less fast food as well. Going gluten free for the average American on an average American diet would mean a pretty sizeable shift in consumption patterns and habits in general. They'd have to pay more attention to what they were eating, and that could make a big difference.
 
2014-07-27 02:27:48 PM
It's not you that is not right. It's the wheat.
 
2014-07-27 02:27:56 PM

elysive: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

Cutting food out of one's diet might help weight loss? No farkin' way!


It doesn't even have to be the food, just that one's making sure their diet is balanced, counting calories, etc.  Amazingly, paying attention to your diet can help you lose weight.
 
2014-07-27 02:30:05 PM
Lapdance: ...Look, if you are never exposed to anything, how do you develop a tolerance for anything? Didn't Mom give you a cracker or a biscuit when you were Teething? People these days use disinfectant wipes for everything. Hell, when I was a kid, sometimes I came home so dirty from out playing all day, Mom said I was too dirty to use the tub in the bathroom so I had to take a bath in the cement stationary tub in the basement! "Mom, the washing machine hoses pour out in there!" Lemmee tell you, I still remember my little bare butt on the concrete in that tub, it wasn't pleasant! I always thought well, you have to get a little Dirt under your fingernails from time to time. It keeps you Honest. Apparently it helps in other ways as well. As far as I know, I'm not allergic to Anything!


You and George Carlin


HalfOffOffer: ...once again completely missing the point that wheat intolerance is not the same thing as celiac and yes lots of people have a wheat intolerance due to the GMO frankenwheat that is in everything.

i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-07-27 02:31:39 PM

Gary-L: PanicMan: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: "Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.

Or maybe people were having a reaction and didn't know the term to describe it.  Or what foods to consider avoiding.


Case in point: For years, stomach ulcers were considered to be a dietary (alcohol) and/or stress related issue until a doctor hypothesized they were actually caused by bacteria.  His paper was ridiculed until he performed tests and started treating people with proper medication.


And won the 2005 Noble Prize for Medicine for his troubles.
 
2014-07-27 02:32:29 PM

elysive: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

Cutting food out of one's diet might help weight loss? No farkin' way!


Close minded is close minded.  Another FARK expert.  Rice Pasta instead of traditional, corn tortillas instead of wheat, a gluten free pizza crust instead of normal etc.  It's easy enough to do and there is no downside I can think of. I have tried it but I like my breads more than I liked losing weight.

/I lost 8 pounds for the month I did it.
//Didn't change exercise habits or portions
 
2014-07-27 02:32:46 PM

cwolf20: I go by what the italian family thinks. Saves time. They joke about how non-white they are.


I bet they real street. They be keepin it real bra

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-27 02:34:11 PM
"The bad news is you're a hypochondriac"

HA!! I knew I was sick!!
 
2014-07-27 02:35:37 PM
Poop thread?
 
2014-07-27 02:36:13 PM

HalfOffOffer: mongbiohazard: HalfOffOffer: In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real.  I know this because I don't have it.  Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.

Same thing for you. The article isn't about that. You could try reading it rather than just making up a whole fictional article in your head and replying to that.

FTA:  Why not just say, "I can't eat wheat," or, "I'm allergic to wheat." I'm guessing it's because many people aren't necessarily allergic to wheat--they just think they are.

A similar article comes out every week.  Some douche writing an article about how celiac only makes up 1% of the population and the rest are ill-informed hypochondriacs (this time wrapped in a delightful article about how being a chef means dealing with stupid people)... once again completely missing the point that wheat intolerance is not the same thing as celiac and yes lots of people have a wheat intolerance due to the GMO frankenwheat that is in everything.   Although I read the article, I don't need to. I already know what it's about.  Then everyone jumps on the suck-each-others-dick bandwagon and denigrate people who think they have a gluten problem.  And although there is a misunderstanding, many of these people truly do have a dietary issue... more often, though, to wheat not gluten.  My point is... just because people are stupid (and they are), and just because you don't suffer from something, and just because you don't completely understand something, and just because the person suffering doesn't completely understand, doesn't mean it is not a real thing.


Indeed... and once again TFA isn't claiming it's not a real thing. You just wrote your rant about people making knee jerk reactions, but your rant itself was a knee jerk reaction.

RTFA. If you really had, you'd know you were mischaracterizing it. Hint: the woman thought rissoto (which is rice) had the evil gluten she was intolerant of and would not be persuaded otherwise and was perfectly happy drinking beer which is loaded with it. If she really had what she says she has - and isn't just subconsciously following a trend - then she'd know the difference.
 
2014-07-27 02:36:47 PM
HalfOffOffer:   Some douche writing an article about how celiac only makes up 1% of the population and the rest are ill-informed hypochondriacs (this time wrapped in a delightful article about how being a chef means dealing with stupid people)...

In the interests of fairness, the author is correct about celiac disease only making up 1% of the general population.

UC Celiac Disease Center

Also:

"Large-scale studies of wheat allergy in the U.S. have not been conducted, but it's estimated that approximately 0.4 percent of children and 0.5 percent of adults are allergic to wheat. "

American College of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology
 
2014-07-27 02:37:16 PM

sprgrss: snocone: I am not ready to dismiss the "intolerance" out of hand. True, "real" celiac disease is very rare. With SEVERE malnutrition as the problem, not "Gee, I don't feel good."
But, medically, we have no "real" investigation of intolerance. Unless you are willing to accept the Monsanto agenda laden "stuff". Humans usually display a spectrum of sensitivity and intolerance (mild to severe) rather than black/white reactions.
I find far too many patients with anecdotal reports of improvement in quality of life. We have dealt with hypochondria since decent record keeping began. Some of the alarm is due to hypochondria.
But there is something new afoot.

Celiac is about 1 in every 117 Americans.  That's not exactly rare.

As for gluten intolerance.  It's bullshiat.

The reason why you feel like shiat is because you eat shiatty food.


I dunno. I've cut some items out of my diet altogether and have strictly limited others, and found a remarkable improvement in my digestive function, as well as how I generally feel. Wheat is not one of these items, by the way. Dairy is a big one, and while I wouldn't say I'm "intolerant," there's definitely a sensitivity.

I don't find it hard to believe that there are lots of people out there that have been having digestive issues and discovered a sensitivity to wheat products, whether it is actually the gluten or something else.

I dated a girl that claimed a gluten sensitivity, and I know that she genuinely missed eating breads and pasta. I don't think she cut those things out of her diet over a fad, or that she would have continued with it unless she felt leaps and bounds better.
 
2014-07-27 02:37:44 PM

mongbiohazard: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

And I bet you that it wasn't just nothing but going gluten free. To do that they must have necessarily changed a lot of their eating habits and paid a lot more attention to what they were consuming.

I lost about 30 lbs or so back in the day by not drinking sodas any more, and switching to only drinking water... but in doing so I also was hydrating myself more, and eating less fast food as well. Going gluten free for the average American on an average American diet would mean a pretty sizeable shift in consumption patterns and habits in general. They'd have to pay more attention to what they were eating, and that could make a big difference.


"I lost 30lbs when I stopped eating pizza and donuts every day! It's amazing!"
 
2014-07-27 02:38:19 PM

MrHappyRotter: I probably don't, because I literally do.


Scooby Doo can doo doo, but Jimmy Carter is smarter.
 
2014-07-27 02:39:30 PM
BeerLion:

Close minded is close minded.  Another FARK expert.   Rice Pasta instead of traditional, corn tortillas instead of wheat, a gluten free pizza crust instead of normal etc.  It's easy enough to do and there is no downside I can think of. I have tried it but I like my breads more than I liked losing weight.

I can think of a downside. Rice pasta is friggin' awful, compared to wheat-based pasta. Same goes for gluten-free breads.
 
2014-07-27 02:41:33 PM
I think I'm a hypochondriac, but I'm not to worried about it.
 
2014-07-27 02:41:34 PM

BeerLion: elysive: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

Cutting food out of one's diet might help weight loss? No farkin' way!

Close minded is close minded.  Another FARK expert.  Rice Pasta instead of traditional, corn tortillas instead of wheat, a gluten free pizza crust instead of normal etc.  It's easy enough to do and there is no downside I can think of. I have tried it but I like my breads more than I liked losing weight.

/I lost 8 pounds for the month I did it.
//Didn't change exercise habits or portions


I lost 40 lb in high school on a mostly gluten diet (well it was junk food heavy with wheat ingredients...mmm red vines). There are lots of ways to lose weight on diets (few of them sustainable) but removing a food group from your diet is one really easy way.
 
2014-07-27 02:42:06 PM
My mom is allergic to wheat. She was happy at first when they started making all these gluten free things. Then she figured out it's all junk food. She doesn't see the the point to it anymore.
 
2014-07-27 02:43:57 PM
I'll put it this way: I'm a stutterer, and we also comprise 1 percent of the population. I bet you probably know many people who claim they're celiac, but how many stutterers do you know?

It would really suck to be a celiac stutterer--it's virtually impossible to order a single tuna sandwich.
 
2014-07-27 02:44:08 PM
ZOMG GLUTEN!!1!!!1!!


/idiots
 
2014-07-27 02:45:18 PM

BeerLion: elysive: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

Cutting food out of one's diet might help weight loss? No farkin' way!

Close minded is close minded.  Another FARK expert.  Rice Pasta instead of traditional, corn tortillas instead of wheat, a gluten free pizza crust instead of normal etc.  It's easy enough to do and there is no downside I can think of. I have tried it but I like my breads more than I liked losing weight.

/I lost 8 pounds for the month I did it.
//Didn't change exercise habits or portions


Btw--the down side of the foods you describe (all junk foods in every iteration) is reduced fiber. Good luck to those who take your advice and want to keep shiatting.
 
2014-07-27 02:45:18 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.

Interesting approach to topical matters.

I do have a condition. I'm diabetic. It is certainly genetic, and it ravages us all in my family. And yet, I recognize a definite, provable relationship between diabetes and grain consumption. Celiac be damned, I contend with about 20 years of observations that diabetes is a grain related condition. I anticipate serious disagreement from others here at fark.com, but using your stated gold standard, if they are not themselves diabetic, regardless of their level of education or expertise, I can haughtily dismiss them as dicks. Cool!

Regarding your comment above, my being a diabetic somehow gives me clout in discussing the matter which exceeds the foolish opinions of those pesky medical professionals. I'm a god!

/If only this rule applied in the Politics Tab, the world would be a better place. Thanks Canuck!


Actually, grains DO contribute to Diabetes. But, it has nothing to do with gluten, and everything to do with the high concentration of complex carbohydrates, and to a larger degree, the added sugars in processed bread and pastas. The reason for the added sugar? To balance out the removal of the flavor from the milling and bleaching processes.

Still, even a diabetic can't go completely without grains. Sticking with whole grains, with no added sugars, is the best policy for those times you eat bread or pasta. Also, avoid products made from potatoes, and sauces made with white flour.
 
2014-07-27 02:46:18 PM
Fat boy on a diet. Don't try it. I'll check yo ass like a looter in a riot.
 
2014-07-27 02:46:21 PM
elysive:. There are lots of ways to lose weight on diets (few of them sustainable) but removing a food group from your diet is one really easy way.

Wheat isn't a food group and my father and sister still eat plenty of grains.  They just avoid wheat, barley and rye.
 
2014-07-27 02:46:54 PM

PanicMan: Right until you see someone doubled over in pain because of one beer that they thought was gluten-free but was actually gluten-removed.

And they've been to a doctor and are clear for celiacs.


Might be something related to a carbohydrate intolerance (see low-FODMAP diet for details).  It's often mistaken for gluten intolerance because some of the same foods trigger IBS symptoms.
 
2014-07-27 02:47:45 PM
As someone who HAS Celiac I've heard it all. I was sick and I mean sick for 15 years with a few doctors without doing one test. I heard everything from your lazy and eating wrong EAT MORE GRAINS which of course just made it worse. To your crazy we need to send you to a shrink.

I made fun of the gluten free and peanut allergy people too. But I don't make a big deal out of it. I still go the same restaurants I'm just careful and what I order. I don't act like a a**hole and make a stink!

Finally found a doctor who first had me keep a food diary for a month then put me on a very restrictive diet. He slowly had me add foods back and when I had a reaction he had tests preformed. It could have been a milk allergy for all I knew I was surprised that I had Celiac Disease.

No one would think of going up to someone with cancer and telling them that they're crazy. People who had cancer hundreds of years ago were probably called crazy too until medical science caught up.

Just because it's not you doesn't mean it's not real.
 
2014-07-27 02:48:11 PM

mongbiohazard: PanicMan: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: "Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.

Or maybe people were having a reaction and didn't know the term to describe it.  Or what foods to consider avoiding.

Celiac is a real thing... but so are the placebo and nocebo effects. In a large population you will always have a certain percentage who are susceptible to suggestion and irrationality.

Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World he has a whole chapter which talks about how every time something airs on TV about aliens people in the region it aired suddenly have a spike in alien reports. And when something about aliens is popularized suddenly those reports change in detail to match what was aired on TV also. Like people used to report "little green men" but after the Roswell myths with grey, elongated, skinny aliens came out all of a sudden people's reports mysteriously and suddenly changed to match that new, popularized fictional vision.

It isn't that there were so many aliens flying around out there abducting people that no one had the words to describe them all, it's that there's a percentage of the population who is now going to make up shiat that matches the stuff they saw on TV. That's just a fact when you live in a society.

So celiac disease is real, and it sucks to have it, but that's not why a lot of other low information people are going to claim they have it. Gluten has been demonized by a lot of folks out to make a buck, and now a lot of people have convinced themselves they have an intolerance to it not because they actually do, or even have any idea what they're talking about, but instead because they are susceptible to suggestion. Hence him noting that the woman drinks beer, which has gluten in it, and wouldn't eat risotto which doesn't. If she really had Celiac she would have known better... THAT'S how you can tell without being a doctor... Like in the tales of King Soloman, sometime ...


memecrunch.com

We aren't green or grey, Hooman.
 
2014-07-27 02:48:40 PM

BeerLion: elysive:. There are lots of ways to lose weight on diets (few of them sustainable) but removing a food group from your diet is one really easy way.

Wheat isn't a food group and my father and sister still eat plenty of grains.  They just avoid wheat, barley and rye.


I guess I should have said "group of foods".
 
2014-07-27 02:49:12 PM

HalfOffOffer: yes lots of people have a wheat intolerance due to the GMO frankenwheat that is in everything.


I can't help but be curious.  How would your answer change if there were no GMO wheat in commercial production anywhere in the world?
 
2014-07-27 02:50:34 PM

BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal


You do realize their weight loss had nothing to do with gluten, and everything to do with them cutting back on processed white bread and pasta, which have lots of added sugar and calories?
 
2014-07-27 02:50:46 PM

elysive: alternaloser: the bad news is i actually have it.
/the good news is after my diagnosis i lost 40 pounds in 3 months
//feel a lot better too

I didn't know that Celiacs absorbed food well enough to get overweight.

/learn something new every day


Yeah, it doesn't make much sense to me either, but I can't argue with the results.
 
2014-07-27 02:51:02 PM

HalfOffOffer: yes lots of people have a wheat intolerance due to the GMO frankenwheat that is in everything.


No, they don't.
 
2014-07-27 02:52:41 PM

BeerLion: elysive: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

Cutting food out of one's diet might help weight loss? No farkin' way!

Close minded is close minded.  Another FARK expert.  Rice Pasta instead of traditional, corn tortillas instead of wheat, a gluten free pizza crust instead of normal etc.  It's easy enough to do and there is no downside I can think of. I have tried it but I like my breads more than I liked losing weight.

/I lost 8 pounds for the month I did it.
//Didn't change exercise habits or portions


Those foods tend to be lower in calories though. Just as an example, corn tortillas have 20 less calories per ounce than wheat. So no one is doubting they lost weight on a gluten free diet, just the actual mechanism.
 
2014-07-27 02:52:58 PM

Gary-L: PanicMan: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: "Gluten Intolerance" pretty much appeared out of nowhere a couple years ago. What's afoot are buzzwords and the placebo effect.

Or maybe people were having a reaction and didn't know the term to describe it.  Or what foods to consider avoiding.


Case in point: For years, stomach ulcers were considered to be a dietary (alcohol) and/or stress related issue until a doctor hypothesized they were actually caused by bacteria.  His paper was ridiculed until he performed tests and started treating people with proper medication.


And he was getting so little traction that his initial test was knocking back a vial of helicobacter to prove that it gave him ulcers. Lose/Win, I guess? Proved that he was right in a manner that was pretty damn unpleasant for him.

/or, as they were known, "the glory days of research"
//have no doubt that celiac is real
///even less doubt that a decent number of "I can't have gluten" snowflakes are faking it to feel special
 
2014-07-27 02:54:49 PM

Loreweaver: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

You do realize their weight loss had nothing to do with gluten, and everything to do with them cutting back on processed white bread and pasta, which have lots of added sugar and calories?


Yeah I'm sure I read that people tend to gain weight after transitioning to gluten free because the alternate breads are made of rice, corn, and/or potato that has more calories in it.  Your mileage may vary of course.
 
2014-07-27 02:57:19 PM

I'm_out_of_popcorn: My mom is allergic to wheat. She was happy at first when they started making all these gluten free things. Then she figured out it's all junk food. She doesn't see the the point to it anymore.


I'm helping to host a party and offered to look into gluten free foods because I've invited 2 people who are celiac. I've noticed that the majority of gluten free food/catering is for baked goods. Looked at some gluten free meals and realized it was basic food just without flour/bread/other grains etc.
 
2014-07-27 03:14:06 PM
With me, it was my liver that was out of order.  I knew it was my liver
that was out of order, because I had just been reading a patent
liver-pill circular, in which were detailed the various symptoms by which
a man could tell when his liver was out of order.  I had them all.

It is a most extraordinary thing, but I never read a patent medicine
advertisement without being impelled to the conclusion that I am
suffering from the particular disease therein dealt with in its most
virulent form.  The diagnosis seems in every case to correspond exactly
with all the sensations that I have ever felt.

I remember going to the British Museum one
day to read up the treatment for some slight ailment of which I had a
touch-hay fever, I fancy it was.  I got down the book, and read all I
came to read; and then, in an unthinking moment, I idly turned the
leaves, and began to indolently study diseases, generally.  I forget
which was the first distemper I plunged into-some fearful, devastating
scourge, I know-and, before I had glanced half down the list of
"premonitory symptoms," it was borne in upon me that I had fairly got it.

I sat for awhile, frozen with horror; and then, in the listlessness of
despair, I again turned over the pages.  I came to typhoid fever-read the
symptoms-discovered that I had typhoid fever, must have had it for months
without knowing it-wondered what else I had got; turned up St. Vitus's
Dance-found, as I expected, that I had that too,-began to get interested
in my case, and determined to sift it to the bottom, and so started
alphabetically-read up ague, and learnt that I was sickening for it, and
that the acute stage would commence in about another fortnight.  Bright's
disease, I was relieved to find, I had only in a modified form, and, so
far as that was concerned, I might live for years.  Cholera I had, with
severe complications; and diphtheria I seemed to have been born with.  I
plodded conscientiously through the twenty-six letters, and the only
malady I could conclude I had not got was housemaid's knee.

I felt rather hurt about this at first; it seemed somehow to be a sort of
slight.  Why hadn't I got housemaid's knee?  Why this invidious
reservation?  After a while, however, less grasping feelings prevailed.
I reflected that I had every other known malady in the pharmacology, and
I grew less selfish, and determined to do without housemaid's knee.
Gout, in its most malignant stage, it would appear, had seized me without
my being aware of it; and zymosis I had evidently been suffering with
from boyhood.  There were no more diseases after zymosis, so I concluded
there was nothing else the matter with me.
 
2014-07-27 03:14:20 PM

unfarkingbelievable: Ha. I am actually in the midst of writing a feature article about gluten-free beverages.


a "feature article"?

Just stop right now.
 
2014-07-27 03:15:08 PM
The whole business with allergies is ripe with bullshiat and precious little snowflake millennial douchebags trying to be hip and unique and force the world around them to bend and cave in to their demands because the world and everybody in it owes them something. Peanuts, shrimp, fish, tomatoes, gluten, cigarettes, sunlight, etc, exist in such a very small percentage of people but you would think everybody has it now and it's killing people like atomic bombs going off.

We used to fly in planes during daylight and could smoke a cigarette while eating our bag of honey roasted peanuts and drinking a beer without half the population of the planet dropping dead. If your flight had a meal and it consisted of seafood you could simply not order that and life would go on.True story, kiddos.

STFU and DIAF with your so called alleged allergies you hypochondriac attention whores.

To the very small and tiny 1% of the population with actual real allergies, my apologies and thank you for those of you old enough to just avoid the things you were allergic to instead of making a big stink of it like the millennial vermin do these days.
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2014-07-27 03:20:19 PM

Dragonflew: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

Did they stop eating junk food all the time and start preparing their own healthy meals to go gluten free?


Not sure. The population I deal with these days is mostly impaired in the first place.
And the population of persons with various and sundry Genetic Lottery Awards has been trending larger for some decades.
But advantage, total control of their diet and 24/7 observation reports. There are a lot of compounded medicaments also in the mix.
Any way you you want it,
Conclusion: we need a lot more information, SURPRISE!
 
2014-07-27 03:23:06 PM
You're a hypochondriac.  Stop looking up diseases and symptoms on the internet.  You didn't go to 4 years of medical school, you don't know what you're talking about.  Now, trust me, your doctor, while I prescribe you these anti-depressants and ADHD medication...
 
2014-07-27 03:23:25 PM

elysive: I didn't know that Celiacs absorbed food well enough to get overweight.

/learn something new every day


It isn't quite that simple.  Celiac screws with absorption, but it isn't in a specific way.  I'm (still) overweight, though I've been losing steadily since my diagnosis (better lifestyle, it isn't the lack of gluten doing it), but my issues with absorption weren't caloric, I was dangerously low on B12 and pretty low on a few other markers, and I'd developed pretty severe lactose intolerance (which vanished after about 3 weeks of going gluten-free).

Gluten-free isn't a health diet, unless you've got celiac or something.  If someone's having intestinal troubles and they can't figure out why they feel like shiat all the time, I often suggest going gluten-free for a couple weeks because it's an easy and safe thing to check, but I'd never recommend it to someone for weight loss or general health.  Unless you have an issue with gluten, it does nothing.
 
2014-07-27 03:30:52 PM

moeburn: You're a hypochondriac.  Stop looking up diseases and symptoms on the internet.  You didn't go to 4 years of medical school, you don't know what you're talking about.  Now, trust me, your doctor, while I prescribe you these anti-depressants and ADHD medication...


BTW, 4th year Med Students are THE WORST hypochondriacs on the planet.
And their self-med consumption supports that.
 
2014-07-27 03:32:22 PM

elysive: alternaloser: the bad news is i actually have it.
/the good news is after my diagnosis i lost 40 pounds in 3 months
//feel a lot better too

I didn't know that Celiacs absorbed food well enough to get overweight.

/learn something new every day


Celiac disease mainly inhibits the absorption of iron, calcium, and vitamin D. You can still get plenty fat without those.
 
2014-07-27 03:37:56 PM

HalfOffOffer: In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real. I know this because I don't have it. Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.


My mom says the same thing about depression and her daughter is on disability for it

Amish Tech Support: The pain in my chest dissipated within 20 minutes. It was so bizarre. It was all in my head.


When I was in school there was a woman who thought she had every disease in our textbook. She had to take a semester off

RoxtarRyan: It's like people not saying they have cancer, but say they have cells that are "non-malignant intolerant", so they shave their heads and get chemotherapy because they're attention whores.


A woman I work with has a mother that has a diagnosis of facticious disorder and facticious disorder by proxy. When my co-worker was little her mom shaved her own head and told people she had prostate cancer.
 
2014-07-27 03:38:33 PM

LV426: Just because it's not you doesn't mean it's not real.


As many people have already pointed out, no one is claiming it isn't real. It's just that most people who claim to be gluten intolerant are lying attention whores.
 
2014-07-27 03:41:45 PM

Loreweaver: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

You do realize their weight loss had nothing to do with gluten, and everything to do with them cutting back on processed white bread and pasta, which have lots of added sugar and calories?


Seems like a great way to lose weight if so but I don't exactly know why it i as most gluten free substitutes are actually higher in calories than regular,  i just know that whatever the mechanism it has worked wonders on my families health.
 
2014-07-27 03:45:49 PM

BeerLion: Loreweaver: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

You do realize their weight loss had nothing to do with gluten, and everything to do with them cutting back on processed white bread and pasta, which have lots of added sugar and calories?

Seems like a great way to lose weight if so but I don't exactly know why it i as most gluten free substitutes are actually higher in calories than regular,  i just know that whatever the mechanism it has worked wonders on my families health.


Carbohydrates carry a log of calories.  Most junk food is made of carbs.  If you remove wheat from your diet, most junk food is also removed from your diet.

Not exactly shocking.
 
2014-07-27 03:49:00 PM

rohar: BeerLion: Loreweaver: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

You do realize their weight loss had nothing to do with gluten, and everything to do with them cutting back on processed white bread and pasta, which have lots of added sugar and calories?

Seems like a great way to lose weight if so but I don't exactly know why it i as most gluten free substitutes are actually higher in calories than regular,  i just know that whatever the mechanism it has worked wonders on my families health.

Carbohydrates carry a log of calories.  Most junk food is made of carbs.  If you remove wheat from your diet, most junk food is also removed from your diet.

Not exactly shocking.


They will never take my doritos.
 
2014-07-27 03:54:11 PM

moeburn: rohar: BeerLion: Loreweaver: BeerLion: My Father and my sister have both lost over 70 pounds each in a little over a year by doing nothing different but going gluten free.

/anecdotal

You do realize their weight loss had nothing to do with gluten, and everything to do with them cutting back on processed white bread and pasta, which have lots of added sugar and calories?

Seems like a great way to lose weight if so but I don't exactly know why it i as most gluten free substitutes are actually higher in calories than regular,  i just know that whatever the mechanism it has worked wonders on my families health.

Carbohydrates carry a log of calories.  Most junk food is made of carbs.  If you remove wheat from your diet, most junk food is also removed from your diet.

Not exactly shocking.

They will never take my doritos.


I grew up with a misdiagnosis of celiac.  You have no idea how my life changed when we finally figured it out, and I could eat Doritos.  When that day came, I finally understood the idea of "born again".  It was breathtaking.  Even remembering it, all these years later, it brings a tear to my eye.

/don't event get me started on pizza
//still make pancakes with rice flour.  They're better.  Seriously.
 
2014-07-27 03:54:52 PM
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2014-07-27 03:56:18 PM

Nowhereman: HalfOffOffer: In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real. I know this because I don't have it. Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.

My mom says the same thing about depression and her daughter is on disability for it

Amish Tech Support: The pain in my chest dissipated within 20 minutes. It was so bizarre. It was all in my head.

When I was in school there was a woman who thought she had every disease in our textbook. She had to take a semester off

RoxtarRyan: It's like people not saying they have cancer, but say they have cells that are "non-malignant intolerant", so they shave their heads and get chemotherapy because they're attention whores.

A woman I work with has a mother that has a diagnosis of facticious disorder and facticious disorder by proxy. When my co-worker was little her mom shaved her own head and told people she had prostate cancer.


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First thing I thought of
 
2014-07-27 04:04:37 PM

rohar: I grew up with a misdiagnosis of celiac. You have no idea how my life changed when we finally figured it out, and I could eat Doritos. When that day came, I finally understood the idea of "born again". It was breathtaking. Even remembering it, all these years later, it brings a tear to my eye.


What did you actually have?
 
2014-07-27 04:06:02 PM

Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.


Your mothers case sounds legitimate.

Unlike the vast majority of others.
 
2014-07-27 04:07:47 PM
As someone who actually has family members with celiac I understand the frustration. The fact is, they rarely if ever eat out because cooks don't understand how sensitive the issue is. Wheat is in farking everything and if you're highly allergic it contaminates everything very easily. Most restaurants that claim to have gluten-free dishes are not actually gluten-free. As witnessed by life-threatening dierra and vomiting from eating at these places.

Yes, I agree many people who think they have celiac do not actually have it but it is a real problem.
 
2014-07-27 04:11:49 PM

RoxtarRyan: Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.

If you had Celiacs, you'd know it. It isn't "mild discomfort", it is a life threatening condition. Having dated a girl for a couple years (lived with her for a while as well) and learned how to cook for someone with Celiacs, you appreciate how hard life is for them, how every little decision they make when it comes to food and drink can either allow them to feel normal, or send them to the hospital.

For others who heard about gluten from some shiat for brains asshole like Doctor Oz and think it is trendy to play make believe and they have Celiacs also, makes me want to remove their ability to procreate. I've met too many assholes who claim to have "gluten intolerance" and play the "I'm a precious snowflake" card at restaurants to seem hip and trendy, but they have a kitchen and pantry full of gluten-containing food products. When called out on it, they claim they didn't know those foods had gluten in them. They pretty much live a public life of "gluten intolerance" to make the lives of others more difficult and to draw attention to themselves, plain and simple.

It's like people not saying they have cancer, but say they have cells that are  "non-malignant intolerant", so they shave their heads and get chemotherapy because they're attention whores.


To be fair, there are neurologists who ask patients who are prone to frequent seizures to stop eating wheat/gluten because--and I wish I was making this up--that treatment approach has been proven to lessen the frequency of seizures in dogs. It's also been shown over the past 5 years or so to be effective in treating humans with "refractory" (seizures that are uncontrolled with medication) epilepsy.

My own neurologists have asked me to radically decrease the amount of wheat/gluten I consume, and yes, it does help dramatically in terms of frequency of seizures as well as overall "brain fog." There's also a noticeable difference for me when I do eat more wheat/gluten versus when I do not.

But no, I'm not allergic or intolerant. I simply avoid eating gluten-rich foods as much as possible. It won't kill me or (necessarily--unless I cannot stop seizing) hospitalize me if I do eat wheat or gluten, but I know that the consequences if I do are a bit of "brain fog" and/or the probability of having more seizures until it's out of my system. It's entirely up to me to make the choice whether or not those consequences are worth it--and sometimes (fresh Irish soda bread, freshly baked bread), they are totally worth it.

But it's completely unfair to state that the only reason people should avoid gluten is because they are Celiacs (which is a horrible disease and sucks for those who have it and anyone claiming to have it when they don't should be biatchslapped). It's also completely untrue--there are other valid medical reasons why a doctor might put a patient on a dietary restriction from wheat and gluten that have nothing to do with hypochondria, and everything to do with keeping them alive (epilepsy can be fatal if a patient cannot stop seizing--that's why it's generally advisable to call 911 if someone has a seizure or series of seizures that does not stop).
 
2014-07-27 04:19:51 PM

DemonEater: rohar: I grew up with a misdiagnosis of celiac. You have no idea how my life changed when we finally figured it out, and I could eat Doritos. When that day came, I finally understood the idea of "born again". It was breathtaking. Even remembering it, all these years later, it brings a tear to my eye.

What did you actually have?


A sore tummy for a few days?
 
2014-07-27 04:19:51 PM

rohar: I grew up with a misdiagnosis of celiac.  You have no idea how my life changed when we finally figured it out, and I could eat Doritos.



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At least in Canada, a lot of varieties of Doritos are definitely certified gluten-free.  So I'm not sure what you're saying; were you incorrectly diagnosed as having celiac, and you were thankful you could eat Doritos again now that you knew you weren't?  Cause they're gluten-free, and you didn't have to give them up in the first place.

True of at least the Nacho and Zesty Cheese versions, that I know of (Nacho bag above)
 
2014-07-27 04:23:43 PM

Aigoo: RoxtarRyan: Farking Canuck: Great. More comments from people who do not have a condition claiming the condition is fake. AKA dicks.

If you had Celiacs, you'd know it. It isn't "mild discomfort", it is a life threatening condition. Having dated a girl for a couple years (lived with her for a while as well) and learned how to cook for someone with Celiacs, you appreciate how hard life is for them, how every little decision they make when it comes to food and drink can either allow them to feel normal, or send them to the hospital.

For others who heard about gluten from some shiat for brains asshole like Doctor Oz and think it is trendy to play make believe and they have Celiacs also, makes me want to remove their ability to procreate. I've met too many assholes who claim to have "gluten intolerance" and play the "I'm a precious snowflake" card at restaurants to seem hip and trendy, but they have a kitchen and pantry full of gluten-containing food products. When called out on it, they claim they didn't know those foods had gluten in them. They pretty much live a public life of "gluten intolerance" to make the lives of others more difficult and to draw attention to themselves, plain and simple.

It's like people not saying they have cancer, but say they have cells that are  "non-malignant intolerant", so they shave their heads and get chemotherapy because they're attention whores.

To be fair, there are neurologists who ask patients who are prone to frequent seizures to stop eating wheat/gluten because--and I wish I was making this up--that treatment approach has been proven to lessen the frequency of seizures in dogs. It's also been shown over the past 5 years or so to be effective in treating humans with "refractory" (seizures that are uncontrolled with medication) epilepsy.

My own neurologists have asked me to radically decrease the amount of wheat/gluten I consume, and yes, it does help dramatically in terms of frequency of seizures as well as overall "brain fog. ...


According to  http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/epilepsy/detail_epilepsy.htm  , the gluten-epilepsy link is only there if the patient is already intolerant to gluten.
 
2014-07-27 04:26:41 PM
The absolutely only way to be sure you have celiac/coeliac disease is a blood test followed by biopsy. If you self-diagnose then the chances are you don't.

That said, anyone who has suffered chronic digestive issues, fatigue etc. should probably buy a blood test kit or ask their GP and find out.
 
2014-07-27 04:31:36 PM

DemonEater: rohar: I grew up with a misdiagnosis of celiac. You have no idea how my life changed when we finally figured it out, and I could eat Doritos. When that day came, I finally understood the idea of "born again". It was breathtaking. Even remembering it, all these years later, it brings a tear to my eye.

What did you actually have?


I'm going to guess "parents with Münchausen syndrome by proxy."

/considering all the other horrifying things such people sometimes latch onto for their ailments of choice for their kids, celiac misdiagnoses probably saved lives
//as has Facebook, providing a relatively harmless and occasionally amusing outlet for attention whoring
 
2014-07-27 04:42:08 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

That's a good way to be certain, but it's not so good after the fact. The trick is that the gut biopsy is how you conclusively show it. The blood test says maybe you COULD have it. But, and here's the fun part, for the gut biopsy to work, you have to be eating gluten for a couple months before it. If you were feeling bad, you heard about the gluten nonsense, stopped eating gluten and felt a lot better, now the biopsy won't show anything. I know one person in that situation. She's had the blood test, and she'd love for the doctor to be able to tell her that she has Celiac so she doesn't feel like she's lying to everyone, but as bad as it was, she's not willing to eat gluten for another couple months.


That's a very creative twist on "why I know I'm sick but they can't prove it." if it's so important, suck it up and eat gluten for a couple of months.
 
2014-07-27 05:00:02 PM
I saw a package of tea today that proclaimed on its box that it was gluten free.
My palm nearly went out the back of my head.
 
2014-07-27 05:05:47 PM

addy2: I May Be Crazy But...: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

That's a good way to be certain, but it's not so good after the fact. The trick is that the gut biopsy is how you conclusively show it. The blood test says maybe you COULD have it. But, and here's the fun part, for the gut biopsy to work, you have to be eating gluten for a couple months before it. If you were feeling bad, you heard about the gluten nonsense, stopped eating gluten and felt a lot better, now the biopsy won't show anything. I know one person in that situation. She's had the blood test, and she'd love for the doctor to be able to tell her that she has Celiac so she doesn't feel like she's lying to everyone, but as bad as it was, she's not willing to eat gluten for another couple months.

That's a very creative twist on "why I know I'm sick but they can't prove it." if it's so important, suck it up and eat gluten for a couple of months.


Go back to feeling like absolute shiat for three months so you can get a doctor to tell you to stop eating the stuff you'd already stopped eating before you started eating it again just so you could get the doctor to tell you to stop eating it?

On what planet does that make sense?
 
2014-07-27 05:06:36 PM
I have an aunt who claims to be gluten intolerant. I don't know if it is self-diagnosed or something she has actually seen a doctor about, but since she is generally a decent person I give her the benefit of the doubt. The only problem I had with her was when she decided that my younger daughter's developmental delays were caused by gluten, despite the fact that said daughter was born by emergency C-section after having the cord wrapped around her neck and deprived of oxygen.

I already have enough issues with the kid. Now I'm supposed to tell her that she can't have all of the foods that she loves, like pizza and pb&j sandwiches and spaghetti, just because someone has mirrored their own issues on to a child? I mean christ, we're talking about behavior and learning issues, not digestion. (Well, there are times that she can clear a room with her farts, but that is usually bean related, not wheat.) The only thing I've been able to do is thank her for the information, and tell her I'll look into it, because I don't want to be a biatch about it. *sigh*
 
2014-07-27 05:08:35 PM

SilentStrider: I saw a package of tea today that proclaimed on its box that it was gluten free.
My palm nearly went out the back of my head.


Steak! Now Gluten Free!

I always loved all the candy packages loudly proclaiming, "A Fat-Free Snack!". No shiat, the only ingredients are sugar, sugar, more sugar, and artificial flavoring.
 
2014-07-27 05:09:37 PM

Iggie: I have an aunt who claims to be gluten intolerant. I don't know if it is self-diagnosed or something she has actually seen a doctor about, but since she is generally a decent person I give her the benefit of the doubt. The only problem I had with her was when she decided that my younger daughter's developmental delays were caused by gluten, despite the fact that said daughter was born by emergency C-section after having the cord wrapped around her neck and deprived of oxygen.

I already have enough issues with the kid. Now I'm supposed to tell her that she can't have all of the foods that she loves, like pizza and pb&j sandwiches and spaghetti, just because someone has mirrored their own issues on to a child? I mean christ, we're talking about behavior and learning issues, not digestion. (Well, there are times that she can clear a room with her farts, but that is usually bean related, not wheat.) The only thing I've been able to do is thank her for the information, and tell her I'll look into it, because I don't want to be a biatch about it. *sigh*


Your aunt sounds well intentioned but stupid.
 
2014-07-27 05:17:18 PM

Bonobo62: addy2: I May Be Crazy But...: Felgraf: ... Uh?
Preettyyy sure my mom has it, given they did A) A blood test, and then B) a *Gut biopsy*.

Not really sure how being a hypochondriac could alter those tests.

That's a good way to be certain, but it's not so good after the fact. The trick is that the gut biopsy is how you conclusively show it. The blood test says maybe you COULD have it. But, and here's the fun part, for the gut biopsy to work, you have to be eating gluten for a couple months before it. If you were feeling bad, you heard about the gluten nonsense, stopped eating gluten and felt a lot better, now the biopsy won't show anything. I know one person in that situation. She's had the blood test, and she'd love for the doctor to be able to tell her that she has Celiac so she doesn't feel like she's lying to everyone, but as bad as it was, she's not willing to eat gluten for another couple months.

That's a very creative twist on "why I know I'm sick but they can't prove it." if it's so important, suck it up and eat gluten for a couple of months.

Go back to feeling like absolute shiat for three months so you can get a doctor to tell you to stop eating the stuff you'd already stopped eating before you started eating it again just so you could get the doctor to tell you to stop eating it?

On what planet does that make sense?


It makes sense if you're whining that no one believes you. Till then she's just like everyone else who's self diagnosing.
 
2014-07-27 05:22:04 PM
I went to a nutritionist and was told, at age 45, that I have the "marker" for gluten intolerance, so I should stop eating all wheat products.

(this is how 3 of my friends determined they were gluten intolerant, and are now insufferable)
 
2014-07-27 05:55:33 PM
I was diagnosed with Celiac several years ago. I lost a bunch of weight afterwords, but the rest sucks. I hate being in pain if I slip up, and I hate to be a stick in the mud about food all the time. I hate the cost of GF foods, and the lack of selection.
I have a friend who self-diagnosed "gluten intolerance".
She told me recently that I am "lucky", since the pain from getting 'glutened' is so severe, I probably don't want to cheat like she does.
I don't feel lucky. I don't see why anyone would want this.
o.0
 
2014-07-27 06:11:38 PM
I am on day 6 of an elimination diet to find out why I've been breaking out into hives non-stop for a month. I've only had lamb and yams since Tuesday.

Get to test wheat, oats and corn in two days and crossing my fingers that they are fine but the arm prick test doesn't make me too hopeful.

The immunologist I saw said allergies change with hormones, especially after big events like child birth. So my spring hay fever has changed from affecting my sinuses to affecting my skin/gut. Still allergic to grasses, birch, alder but now most likely as wheat, corn, and pitted fruits and almonds which are botanically related to the original allergens.

/Not getting a kick :(
 
2014-07-27 06:40:33 PM

Glenscotia: I am on day 6 of an elimination diet to find out why I've been breaking out into hives non-stop for a month. I've only had lamb and yams since Tuesday.

Get to test wheat, oats and corn in two days and crossing my fingers that they are fine but the arm prick test doesn't make me too hopeful.

The immunologist I saw said allergies change with hormones, especially after big events like child birth. So my spring hay fever has changed from affecting my sinuses to affecting my skin/gut. Still allergic to grasses, birch, alder but now most likely as wheat, corn, and pitted fruits and almonds which are botanically related to the original allergens.

/Not getting a kick :(


You are surely down the rabbit hole now.
Best of luck.
 
2014-07-27 06:41:25 PM

unfarkingbelievable: Ha. I am actually in the midst of writing a feature article about gluten-free beverages.


Ugh... I absolutely hate the amount of items in stores now that feature stuff like "ZOMG GLUTEN FREEE!!!!!!" plastered on their packaging... Bought a little thing of Tribe hummus, and right on the logo was "Gluten-free"... Despite hummus being literally 4 ingredients (chickpea/garbanzo, salt, sesame, and lemon typically).

And even rice cakes and other rice things like bags of jasmine rice!

My cousin's wife does indeed have a wheat allergy or whatever, something we have an interesting time finding menus for Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners when she's over here, but it's not impossible. And even then (and this is a huge pet peeve of mine, and something the author of TFA stated as well) we don't serve fake wheat or whatever, we go with things she can eat.

But, the average person who goes to a McDonalds and wants a Big Mac without the buns is probably as allergic to wheat as a dieter is to calories.
 
2014-07-27 06:42:05 PM
Can people tell me when food intolerance became synonymous with food allergy? I have lactose intolerance and would like to know when that became an allergy.

Self diagnosing allergies (or Celiac or lactose intolerance) sucks when a doc can easily diagnose you with a test. Some intolerances are more poorly studied and dont have readily available tests (like the gas/bloating/diarrhea associated with enzyme deficiences and eating foods like broccoli) so I kinda give people a pass on self diagnosing a food as causing GI distress.

Anyway as others have said gluten free is not a good health or weight loss diet. Just restrict your simple carbs and junk food intake and avoid fad diets for crying out loud.

/still loves me some rice flour desserts from the Asian market
//knows several personal trainers on gluten-free diets *sigh*
 
2014-07-27 06:52:31 PM

SilentStrider: I saw a package of tea today that proclaimed on its box that it was gluten free.
My palm nearly went out the back of my head.


Was it fat-free and sugar-free as well?
 
2014-07-27 07:26:33 PM

Bonobo62: elysive: alternaloser: the bad news is i actually have it.
/the good news is after my diagnosis i lost 40 pounds in 3 months
//feel a lot better too

I didn't know that Celiacs absorbed food well enough to get overweight.

/learn something new every day

Celiac disease mainly inhibits the absorption of iron, calcium, and vitamin D. You can still get plenty fat without those.


Thanks for the info.

Thorak: elysive: I didn't know that Celiacs absorbed food well enough to get overweight.

/learn something new every day

It isn't quite that simple.  Celiac screws with absorption, but it isn't in a specific way.  I'm (still) overweight, though I've been losing steadily since my diagnosis (better lifestyle, it isn't the lack of gluten doing it), but my issues with absorption weren't caloric, I was dangerously low on B12 and pretty low on a few other markers, and I'd developed pretty severe lactose intolerance (which vanished after about 3 weeks of going gluten-free).

Gluten-free isn't a health diet, unless you've got celiac or something.  If someone's having intestinal troubles and they can't figure out why they feel like shiat all the time, I often suggest going gluten-free for a couple weeks because it's an easy and safe thing to check, but I'd never recommend it to someone for weight loss or general health.  Unless you have an issue with gluten, it does nothing.


I'm glad you're feeling better and the lactose thing cleared up. I'm pretty happy staying lactose intolerant because even with pills it prevents me from eating massive amounts of cheese and cream (havent had a real pizza in years and eating pizza regularly is probably worth 5 lb to my waistline).
 
2014-07-27 08:06:11 PM

Iczer: unfarkingbelievable: Ha. I am actually in the midst of writing a feature article about gluten-free beverages.

Ugh... I absolutely hate the amount of items in stores now that feature stuff like "ZOMG GLUTEN FREEE!!!!!!" plastered on their packaging... Bought a little thing of Tribe hummus, and right on the logo was "Gluten-free"... Despite hummus being literally 4 ingredients (chickpea/garbanzo, salt, sesame, and lemon typically).

And even rice cakes and other rice things like bags of jasmine rice!

My cousin's wife does indeed have a wheat allergy or whatever, something we have an interesting time finding menus for Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners when she's over here, but it's not impossible. And even then (and this is a huge pet peeve of mine, and something the author of TFA stated as well) we don't serve fake wheat or whatever, we go with things she can eat.

But, the average person who goes to a McDonalds and wants a Big Mac without the buns is probably as allergic to wheat as a dieter is to calories.


I work at a deli in a grocery store and we occasionally get eggs from the organic department, they're all labeled as gluten-free. What kind of moron thinks eggs of any kind contain gluten? On top of that, the eggs suck, albumen is way too thin. I'll take AA mass produced eggs any day, thank you.
 
2014-07-27 08:18:49 PM

sprgrss: snocone: I am not ready to dismiss the "intolerance" out of hand. True, "real" celiac disease is very rare. With SEVERE malnutrition as the problem, not "Gee, I don't feel good."
But, medically, we have no "real" investigation of intolerance. Unless you are willing to accept the Monsanto agenda laden "stuff". Humans usually display a spectrum of sensitivity and intolerance (mild to severe) rather than black/white reactions.
I find far too many patients with anecdotal reports of improvement in quality of life. We have dealt with hypochondria since decent record keeping began. Some of the alarm is due to hypochondria.
But there is something new afoot.

Celiac is about 1 in every 117 Americans.  That's not exactly rare.

As for gluten intolerance.  It's bullshiat.

The reason why you feel like shiat is because you eat shiatty food.


Perhaps gluten is shiatty food.  My girlfriend has no trace of celiac disease, but eliminating probably 90%+ of the bread and pasta from her diet has completely eliminated weekly-ish debilitating headaches and horrific bouts of arthritis.  I follow along with her, and my typical energy level is comparatively through the roof, even though i've also nearly eliminated caffeine from my regular diet as well.  Pure anecdotal, but I'll take it.  The weight loss I'm experiencing since then is quite remarkable as well.
 
2014-07-27 08:25:44 PM

Thorak: elysive: I didn't know that Celiacs absorbed food well enough to get overweight.

/learn something new every day

It isn't quite that simple.  Celiac screws with absorption, but it isn't in a specific way.  I'm (still) overweight, though I've been losing steadily since my diagnosis (better lifestyle, it isn't the lack of gluten doing it), but my issues with absorption weren't caloric, I was dangerously low on B12 and pretty low on a few other markers, and I'd developed pretty severe lactose intolerance (which vanished after about 3 weeks of going gluten-free).

Gluten-free isn't a health diet, unless you've got celiac or something.  If someone's having intestinal troubles and they can't figure out why they feel like shiat all the time, I often suggest going gluten-free for a couple weeks because it's an easy and safe thing to check, but I'd never recommend it to someone for weight loss or general health.  Unless you have an issue with gluten, it does nothing.


The way my ex, and a few of our friends who have celiac lost weight when they purged gluten was simple: if they could actually absorb vitamins and nutrients from the food they did eat, they weren't starving all the time. I saw him go from constant grazing and whiny, unbearable cravings for sweets and fats to eating two or three normal meals a day with a snack within a month. It was kind of amazing.
 
2014-07-27 09:05:28 PM

ekdikeo4: Perhaps gluten is shiatty food.  My girlfriend has no trace of celiac disease, but eliminating probably 90%+ of the bread and pasta from her diet has completely eliminated weekly-ish debilitating headaches and horrific bouts of arthritis.  I follow along with her, and my typical energy level is comparatively through the roof, even though i've also nearly eliminated caffeine from my regular diet as well.  Pure anecdotal, but I'll take it.  The weight loss I'm experiencing since then is quite remarkable as well.


Placebo effect is pretty powerful
 
2014-07-27 09:06:05 PM

LV426: As someone who HAS Celiac I've heard it all. I was sick and I mean sick for 15 years with a few doctors without doing one test. I heard everything from your lazy and eating wrong EAT MORE GRAINS which of course just made it worse. To your crazy we need to send you to a shrink.

I made fun of the gluten free and peanut allergy people too. But I don't make a big deal out of it. I still go the same restaurants I'm just careful and what I order. I don't act like a a**hole and make a stink!

Finally found a doctor who first had me keep a food diary for a month then put me on a very restrictive diet. He slowly had me add foods back and when I had a reaction he had tests preformed. It could have been a milk allergy for all I knew I was surprised that I had Celiac Disease.

No one would think of going up to someone with cancer and telling them that they're crazy. People who had cancer hundreds of years ago were probably called crazy too until medical science caught up.

Just because it's not you doesn't mean it's not real.


Nobody, including the author, is saying that. They're saying that if you're NOT celiac and NOT FODMAP allergic the whole gluten-free thing is self-indulgent bullshiat. If you ate a pound of Wonder Bread you'd be in the hospital with your intestines swollen up to the size of inner tubes. These folks "feel more energetic" or "purer" being "gluten-free" while they knock back the weissbier and  seitan.
 
2014-07-27 09:12:24 PM

RedT: I went to a nutritionist and was told, at age 45, that I have the "marker" for gluten intolerance, so I should stop eating all wheat products.

(this is how 3 of my friends determined they were gluten intolerant, and are now insufferable)


That's when you go to an allergist and get tested.
 
2014-07-27 09:37:29 PM

Bonobo62: elysive: alternaloser: the bad news is i actually have it.
/the good news is after my diagnosis i lost 40 pounds in 3 months
//feel a lot better too

I didn't know that Celiacs absorbed food well enough to get overweight.

/learn something new every day

Celiac disease mainly inhibits the absorption of iron, calcium, and vitamin D. You can still get plenty fat without those.


I have it based on blood tests and two biopsies. The symptoms were low D, iron and osteoporosis.All are better now but I have gained 20 pounds over three years. Intolerance is BS.
 
2014-07-27 09:48:01 PM

elysive: Can people tell me when food intolerance became synonymous with food allergy? I have lactose intolerance and would like to know when that became an allergy.

Self diagnosing allergies (or Celiac or lactose intolerance) sucks when a doc can easily diagnose you with a test. Some intolerances are more poorly studied and dont have readily available tests (like the gas/bloating/diarrhea associated with enzyme deficiences and eating foods like broccoli) so I kinda give people a pass on self diagnosing a food as causing GI distress.

Anyway as others have said gluten free is not a good health or weight loss diet. Just restrict your simple carbs and junk food intake and avoid fad diets for crying out loud.

/still loves me some rice flour desserts from the Asian market
//knows several personal trainers on gluten-free diets *sigh*


I'm intolerant to fresh bell peppers.  I'll get an upset stomach and have to run to the washroom if I eat them (which is fine since I don't like them anyway).

If I were allergic, my airway would become constricted, or I'd break out in hives.  There would be a potential medical emergency.
 
2014-07-27 09:53:58 PM
"Gut Biopsy" is the name of my Cindy Lauper cover band.
 
2014-07-27 10:25:55 PM

geekybroad: elysive: Can people tell me when food intolerance became synonymous with food allergy? I have lactose intolerance and would like to know when that became an allergy.

Self diagnosing allergies (or Celiac or lactose intolerance) sucks when a doc can easily diagnose you with a test. Some intolerances are more poorly studied and dont have readily available tests (like the gas/bloating/diarrhea associated with enzyme deficiences and eating foods like broccoli) so I kinda give people a pass on self diagnosing a food as causing GI distress.

Anyway as others have said gluten free is not a good health or weight loss diet. Just restrict your simple carbs and junk food intake and avoid fad diets for crying out loud.

/still loves me some rice flour desserts from the Asian market
//knows several personal trainers on gluten-free diets *sigh*

I'm intolerant to fresh bell peppers.  I'll get an upset stomach and have to run to the washroom if I eat them (which is fine since I don't like them anyway).

If I were allergic, my airway would become constricted, or I'd break out in hives.  There would be a potential medical emergency.


In addition to lactose there are a few specific foods which give me those symptoms you describe (darn I miss jalepenos, its funny how habaneros are fine). Yet invariably threads about gluten intolerence turn to ppl complaining about ppl self diagnosing allergies.

I didnt even think FODMOPS was related to allergies, but rather issues like fructan absorption.
 
2014-07-28 08:29:48 AM

Lord Farkwad: cwolf20: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: cwolf20: TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People

I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.

Please, Italians have been White since Hispanics became the new Blacks.

On another note. A friend of mine was born with the recessive Italian gene that makes him pasty white. He's the only white Italian at periodic holiday vacations and family reunions with rooms full of Italians.  In his words, he's the token white man. Also as he put it  "Italian skin, italian skin, oh look it's James, Italian skin, italian skin.."

A recessive Italian gene you say?
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It's either that or his entire family has been secretly the type of Italian that is pasty white and have been wearing fake tans and forcing newborns to wear them
 
2014-07-28 08:34:11 AM

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: cwolf20: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: cwolf20: TanHamster: Celiac: The Trendy Disease For Rich White People

I'll tell that to the full blooded Italian daughter of an Italian couple. After she finishes giving me injuries painful enough to duplicate her 3 day stint in the ER last week from accidentally ingesting something with gluten in it, maybe we'll have a chat about what is white and what isn't.

Please, Italians have been White since Hispanics became the new Blacks.

Tell that to the rednecks in Tennessee who confused her uncle with a "damn farking muslim farker. get the fark back to your farking shiat country"

At the same time, consider that those Tennessee rednecks were likely descended from a bunch of manky Scots and Limey Bastards.

/cuts both ways


Oh please. I'm descended from an Irish woman, Scottish is somewhere in there, German.
One of my ancestors is now confirmed to be Cherokee.
I'm related to both the Hatfields and McCoys.  My uncle Bill Hatfield is a great guy, with a few records he picked up about those times.
Some of my cousins live in Kentucky and make their own ammunition. As well as make a damn good moonshine.

I'm just a southern/northern hybrid in comparison.  I've even had people say to me before "What kahnd of acceent es that?!"
 
2014-07-28 08:35:28 AM

jaytkay: cwolf20: I go by what the italian family thinks. Saves time. They joke about how non-white they are.

I bet they real street. They be keepin it real bra

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The father came out of the womb dark tan skinned. In New York, in winter.  There are pictures.
 
2014-07-28 10:26:41 AM

mongbiohazard: Celibacy disease


Hey Hey hey now, leave marriage out of this.
 
2014-07-28 01:25:55 PM
Again, less than 1 out of 100 people actually have it, and only a few more have a similar intolerance. Most of the people in this thread, statstically, and no matter how vehemently they protest,  don't have it. Last time I said it I was blasted and I welcome that again.

It makes me sick when people claim to have that disease, the same way it pisses me off when people lie about having cancer, or claim they "think" they have cancer because they have a few abnormal cells, or loosely related symptoms. It is offensive and wrong. Get your sorry but to a doctor or stop saying you have it. It is offensive and wrong to claim it based on a self diagnosis, whether you admit it is self diagnosed or not.
 
2014-07-28 02:34:39 PM

Dragonflew: HalfOffOffer: In related news, fibromyalgia isn't real.  I know this because I don't have it.  Everyone who claims to have it is just making it up.

Most people are just fat and lazy and want an excuse to be. Like gluten intolerance, the real cases are few. G.I. is like what lactose intolerance was like in the 90s. Everyone wanted to be in the hip lactose intolerant club until it was no longer a fad, now no one seems to be lactose intolerant any more (save for the very few who actually ARE).

I predict eggs will be the evil of the next decade. People will claim to be ova-sensitive.


Woohoo, my mom and I are ahead of the game!

//we both can't eat eggs. Well, we can but we will be sitting on the toilet for the next few hours after.
//I miss eggs so much. Still eat them every once in a while but I suffer the consequences
//CSB
 
2014-07-28 04:06:59 PM

rhondajeremy: Dragonflew: I predict eggs will be the evil of the next decade. People will claim to be ova-sensitive.

Woohoo, my mom and I are ahead of the game!

//we both can't eat eggs. Well, we can but we will be sitting on the toilet for the next few hours after.
//I miss eggs so much. Still eat them every once in a while but I suffer the consequences
//CSB


I really wish I could give my ability to eat eggs to you. I cannot stand them, the taste and texture makes me gag.
 
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