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2014-07-27 10:36:38 AM
Aethism

I don't believe in proof-readers.
 
2014-07-27 10:45:47 AM
And as many varieties of stupid as there are people
 
2014-07-27 10:46:38 AM
As a general rule, you can keep subdividing -isms until you end up with everyone's individual beliefs.
 
2014-07-27 10:47:57 AM
Let's get this thread off to the right start

i.lvme.me
 
2014-07-27 10:49:50 AM
Ah, but there is only ONE God.
 
2014-07-27 10:51:42 AM
Yes, they're called "individual human experiences based on empirical observation and abstract inference."
 
2014-07-27 10:52:00 AM
That's kinda a weirdly phrased statement; if you're polytheist, there's a buncha forms of atheism; if you're a monotheist, there's only one. And if you're an atheist, there's no atheism?
 
2014-07-27 10:52:13 AM

opiumpoopy: Ah, but there is only ONE God.


Which one?
 
2014-07-27 10:54:07 AM
My God is bigger than your God

/sing it
 
2014-07-27 10:54:09 AM
How can there be more than one form of not believing in a concept? Isn't not believing in god just....not believing in god?
 
2014-07-27 10:54:37 AM

stratagos: opiumpoopy: Ah, but there is only ONE God.

Which one?


me, and it sucks  i didn't think that whole listening to prayers thing through and due to timezones i never get any sleep.
 
2014-07-27 10:55:03 AM

opiumpoopy: Ah, but there is only ONE God.


But oh so many people claiming to be God's spokesperson.
 
KNW
2014-07-27 10:55:26 AM
Does this mean that Yahweh-Atheists are somehow different then Marduk-Atheists or Vishnu-Atheists or (any of the other 3000 gods man has invented)-Atheists?
 
2014-07-27 10:55:47 AM

Tchernobog: How can there be more than one form of not believing in a concept? Isn't not believing in god just....not believing in god?


Not when you have special clothing, regular gatherings, patron saints, and holidays.

/you can thank the flying spaghetti monster for turning your atheism into a religion.
 
2014-07-27 10:56:19 AM
In this light, it's remarkable not that there are atheists today, but that there were so few in the long centuries of Christendom's glory. I don't think persecution or the fear of persecution can account for this. It did not manage to suppress all manners of subtle heresy; why should it successfully suppress the most obvious and radical objection to the whole business?

huameieng4u-02.wikispaces.com
 
2014-07-27 10:56:55 AM

Tymast: stratagos: opiumpoopy: Ah, but there is only ONE God.

Which one?

me, and it sucks  i didn't think that whole listening to prayers thing through and due to timezones i never get any sleep.


Stop whining

/you're responsible for those, too
//remember that "railroad" idea you had?
 
2014-07-27 10:57:37 AM
Is it possible that God is just the next species up?  Are there beings in a higher dimension that feed on conscience energy, so they harvest us?  Humans are just a food source that they cultivate - so they might be  "shepherds" if you will.  That might explain why they want to "save" us.   Might also explain the whole good god/bad god thing.

Just a thought.  Have nice day.
 
2014-07-27 10:58:10 AM
Man needs religion like a woman needs to be in the kitchen.
 
2014-07-27 10:58:14 AM

JoieD'Zen: opiumpoopy: Ah, but there is only ONE God.

But oh so many people claiming to be God's spokesperson.


You'd think there'd be a screening system for ensuring their spokesmen would actually be credible and believable if you were God.
 
2014-07-27 10:58:35 AM
I don't not collect just any stamps for my hobby.  I don't collect the ones with sticky stuff on the back.
 
2014-07-27 10:58:37 AM

Cache: Is it possible that God is just the next species up?  Are there beings in a higher dimension that feed on conscience energy, so they harvest us?  Humans are just a food source that they cultivate - so they might be  "shepherds" if you will.  That might explain why they want to "save" us.   Might also explain the whole good god/bad god thing.

Just a thought.  Have nice day.


No. Atheists don't believe in anything smarter then themselves. Thats why they are so farking insufferable.
 
2014-07-27 10:58:47 AM

fluffy2097: Tchernobog: How can there be more than one form of not believing in a concept? Isn't not believing in god just....not believing in god?

Not when you have special clothing, regular gatherings, patron saints, and holidays.

/you can thank the flying spaghetti monster for turning your atheism into a religion.


Psst.  The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a satire of theism.
 
2014-07-27 10:59:13 AM

Cache: Is it possible that God is just the next species up?  Are there beings in a higher dimension that feed on conscience energy, so they harvest us?  Humans are just a food source that they cultivate - so they might be  "shepherds" if you will.  That might explain why they want to "save" us.   Might also explain the whole good god/bad god thing.

Just a thought.  Have nice day.


www.history.com
 
2014-07-27 10:59:28 AM
Alister McGrath made a similar argument in a book called  The Twilight of Atheism. Modern atheism was nurtured in anti-clerical sentiment against the powerful Catholic church. You can observe the parasitic nature of popular atheism for yourself by visiting the atheism subreddit. I haven't checked it out myself in quite a while, but it tends to be an aggregater for stories about how dangerous, immoral, hypocrtical, etc religious people are.
 
2014-07-27 10:59:30 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: In this light, it's remarkable not that there are atheists today, but that there were so few in the long centuries of Christendom's glory. I don't think persecution or the fear of persecution can account for this. It did not manage to suppress all manners of subtle heresy; why should it successfully suppress the most obvious and radical objection to the whole business?


Also my first thought when I read that bit. It's a surprise people weren't lining up to be murdered, is it?
 
2014-07-27 10:59:46 AM

fluffy2097: Cache: Is it possible that God is just the next species up?  Are there beings in a higher dimension that feed on conscience energy, so they harvest us?  Humans are just a food source that they cultivate - so they might be  "shepherds" if you will.  That might explain why they want to "save" us.   Might also explain the whole good god/bad god thing.

Just a thought.  Have nice day.

No. Atheists don't believe in anything smarter then themselves. Thats why they are so farking insufferable.


shiat, I don't believe in Steven Hawking or NdGT?
 
2014-07-27 11:00:35 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: In this light, it's remarkable not that there are atheists today, but that there were so few in the long centuries of Christendom's glory. I don't think persecution or the fear of persecution can account for this. It did not manage to suppress all manners of subtle heresy; why should it successfully suppress the most obvious and radical objection to the whole business?

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That was rare.

4.bp.blogspot.com

These guys were Christians. They had all the arms, all the armor, and all the soldiers in the holy land. They could have easily declared Christianity bunk, burned all the holy artifacts, and said "We don't believe."

Instead they didn't. It wasn't fear of persecution that stopped them. They WERE persecution.
 
2014-07-27 11:01:16 AM

fluffy2097: Tchernobog: How can there be more than one form of not believing in a concept? Isn't not believing in god just....not believing in god?

Not when you have special clothing, regular gatherings, patron saints, and holidays.

/you can thank the flying spaghetti monster for turning your atheism into a religion.


A better way to put it would be that there are atheistic religions out there (and spoof religions, of course).  There are quite a few atheistic Christians out there who like the religion and the community and the morals but who don't believe the magical stuff is real.  This is even more common in other religions (most modern Buddhists I've met, for example).

Jedi might be atheists, but most atheists are not Jedi.
 
2014-07-27 11:02:30 AM
I believe a creator had to get the ball rolling at some point.  Beyond that, who knows?

I guess I'm a deist.

But I follow the actual teachings of Jesus (think "Jefferson Bible").  I just don't believe in the magical zombie stuff.

Most Christians would probably consider me an atheist.
 
2014-07-27 11:04:05 AM
Popcorn for sale... Get your popcorn here...
 
2014-07-27 11:05:02 AM
Yeah, whatever.
i don't believe in any of that shiat, and you can call me whatever you want.
Have a nice day.
F**k off.
 
2014-07-27 11:05:30 AM

Fluid: As a general rule, you can keep subdividing -isms until you end up with everyone's individual beliefs.


Splitters!
 
2014-07-27 11:05:52 AM

fluffy2097: Cache: Is it possible that God is just the next species up?  Are there beings in a higher dimension that feed on conscience energy, so they harvest us?  Humans are just a food source that they cultivate - so they might be  "shepherds" if you will.  That might explain why they want to "save" us.   Might also explain the whole good god/bad god thing.

Just a thought.  Have nice day.

No. Atheists don't believe in anything smarter then themselves. Thats why they are so farking insufferable.


Yeah, and you appear to be a pleasure to be around.
 
2014-07-27 11:06:50 AM
When does the question of God become irrelevent?
 
2014-07-27 11:06:56 AM

Tchernobog: How can there be more than one form of not believing in a concept? Isn't not believing in god just....not believing in god?


Different levels of certainty.  I don't fully discount the possibility a creator God, nor fully discount the ability of possible creator(s) to affect things today.  There are many atheists who are more sure there is no god.

However, in a post-Copernicus/Galileo/Darwin era, when we know how big/old the universe is, positing a human-scale, gives-a-shiat-about-humans Buddy God is a spectacular claim that requires spectacular evidence.  There's a lot of narcissism in "I'm thinking about God, therefore God must care about me".
 
2014-07-27 11:07:54 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: In this light, it's remarkable not that there are atheists today, but that there were so few in the long centuries of Christendom's glory. I don't think persecution or the fear of persecution can account for this. It did not manage to suppress all manners of subtle heresy; why should it successfully suppress the most obvious and radical objection to the whole business?

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This and the fact that not that many atheists wrote the historical documents that exist from those times, not to mention that the Church had a tendency to destroy any mention of those bothersome atheists.
 
2014-07-27 11:09:42 AM
"Headline"

No.
 
2014-07-27 11:09:50 AM

Tchernobog: How can there be more than one form of not believing in a concept? Isn't not believing in god just....not believing in god?


There's a book called "Doubt: A History" that addresses that question.  It's not strictly about atheism, though that's a major theme.  It's more generally about all sorts of ways in which people have doubted or disagreed with any aspect of religion.
 
2014-07-27 11:10:00 AM

Mjeck: When does the question of God become irrelevent?


To you, maybe never.
To me, it was never even a question.
 
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2014-07-27 11:10:24 AM

Tchernobog: How can there be more than one form of not believing in a concept? Isn't not believing in god just....not believing in god?


If you only believe in one god then you are an atheist as far as all the other gods are concerned.
 
2014-07-27 11:11:13 AM
Zero?
 
2014-07-27 11:11:41 AM

stratagos: opiumpoopy: Ah, but there is only ONE God.

Which one?


The one whose name everyone is either too afraid or ashamed to say.
 
2014-07-27 11:12:25 AM
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Of course there's a god and it is here to wreak havoc.
 
2014-07-27 11:12:30 AM

strathmeyer: stratagos: opiumpoopy: Ah, but there is only ONE God.

Which one?

The one whose name everyone is either too afraid or ashamed to say.


Beetlejuice?
 
2014-07-27 11:13:25 AM
Did TFA mention any varieties in which Sea Otters feature prominently?
 
2014-07-27 11:13:44 AM

opiumpoopy: Ah, but there is only ONE God.


Uh, I'm pretty sure it says right there in Exodus that "You shall have no other gods before me." Doesn't that put the lie to the whole ONE God argument?

KNW: Does this mean that Yahweh-Atheists are somehow different then Marduk-Atheists or Vishnu-Atheists or (any of the other 3000 gods man has invented)-Atheists?


^^^THIS^^^

Even though I'm old I am a member of the new-fangled atheism called, "Meh". It goes like this. I was raised without religious indoctrination, so I don't "believe" in Yahweh, God, Allah, Marduk or Vishnu...or the Forest Gods of the Yanomami for that matter. I'm not "anti" anything. I simply don't believe in the proactive sense of the word. And I certainly don't believe in the certainty claimed by the Bible.

And I see more and more of this form of atheism in young adults. They were reared secularly, and simply never acquired the habit of believe. And just as one settles into a linguistic and cultural framework, I strongly suspect one settles into a analogous religious framework that lasts for a lifetime for many people. I know that for me to switch gears and to suddenly start "believing" in, for example, the Christian God is about as likely as me suddenly deciding I'm a Brazilian, and take up their language and culture. Ain't gonna happen.
 
2014-07-27 11:13:59 AM
Tenets of Atheism:

1. There is no god
2. I HATE HIM!!2!
 
2014-07-27 11:14:24 AM

Lawnchair: Tchernobog: How can there be more than one form of not believing in a concept? Isn't not believing in god just....not believing in god?

Different levels of certainty.  I don't fully discount the possibility a creator God, nor fully discount the ability of possible creator(s) to affect things today.  There are many atheists who are more sure there is no god.

However, in a post-Copernicus/Galileo/Darwin era, when we know how big/old the universe is, positing a human-scale, gives-a-shiat-about-humans Buddy God is a spectacular claim that requires spectacular evidence.  There's a lot of narcissism in "I'm thinking about God, therefore God must care about me".


"Go away, I don't care!"
 
2014-07-27 11:14:39 AM
I believe in a lot of things, and today when grilling at my bro's house, I believe in a good burger.  ahem.
/and beer
 
2014-07-27 11:14:41 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: In this light, it's remarkable not that there are atheists today, but that there were so few in the long centuries of Christendom's glory. I don't think[_ image _x_] persecution or the fear of persecution can account for this. It did not manage to suppress all manners of subtle heresy; why should it successfully suppress the most obvious and radical objection to the whole business[_ image _x_]?

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He had his choice between being beheaded and being brunt at the stake.  He chose burning at the stake.  When asked why, he stated, "A hot stake is always better than a cold chop! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk..."
 
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