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2014-07-27 05:24:17 AM  
It's not that the ice cream didn't melt, it's that it didn't liquify.  Which is probably because it's not ice cream so much as frozen, whipped oreo filling (most likely) or some other combination of ingredients that create a polymerization that remains stable in warm temperatures.

In other words, not ice cream.
 
2014-07-27 07:28:15 AM  

Ambivalence: It's not that the ice cream didn't melt; it's not ice cream.

The TL;DR version.
 
2014-07-27 07:29:35 AM  
Not something to be proud of. Just because you formed a bunch of chemicals together and called it ice cream, doesn't mean it actually is.
 
2014-07-27 07:32:48 AM  
It's likely many other store brands buy from the same supplier, but WalMart is evil, so let's blame them.
 
2014-07-27 07:32:57 AM  

Ambivalence: It's not that the ice cream didn't melt, it's that it didn't liquify.  Which is probably because it's not ice cream so much as frozen, whipped oreo filling (most likely) or some other combination of ingredients that create a polymerization that remains stable in warm temperatures.

In other words, not ice cream.


::closeupofjules.jpg::

"Check out the big brain on 'lence!"

/interesting, seriously--thanks
 
2014-07-27 07:33:07 AM  
Oh noes! It keeps its shape longer!

Why does this matter?
 
2014-07-27 07:37:37 AM  
I broke a Walmart egg on the sidewalk and it WOULDN'T FRY.
 
2014-07-27 07:37:45 AM  
The ingredients include "guar gum, [...]  carob bean gum, cellulose gum, carrageenan".

The formulation sounds like it's not just "ice cream" but rather "vegan Jell-O with ice cream mixed in it for flavor".

It's relatively benign, but it's not exactly a high-quality "ice cream" product. It's like the dairy equivalent of those "water added" hams...
 
2014-07-27 07:37:56 AM  
This is the MKII version. MKI would burst into flames on exposure to sunlight.
 
2014-07-27 07:38:00 AM  
Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-07-27 07:40:26 AM  
Are they the same as Costco ice cream sandwiches? Because those are awful. I think they're made with sadness and disappointment added in.
 
2014-07-27 07:43:08 AM  
It's ice cream with a few harmless additives affecting its texture. If it tastes good, it doesn't matter. It's probably not as good in taste or flavor as pure ice cream, but it's not going to hurt you any more.
 
2014-07-27 07:44:11 AM  
You're shopping at WalMart and buying their house brand.  What did you expect?
 
2014-07-27 07:44:17 AM  

Ambivalence: It's not that the ice cream didn't melt, it's that it didn't liquify.  Which is probably because it's not ice cream so much as frozen, whipped oreo filling (most likely) or some other combination of ingredients that create a polymerization that remains stable in warm temperatures.

In other words, not ice cream.


Epicanis: The ingredients include "guar gum, [...]  carob bean gum, cellulose gum, carrageenan".

The formulation sounds like it's not just "ice cream" but rather "vegan Jell-O with ice cream mixed in it for flavor".

It's relatively benign, but it's not exactly a high-quality "ice cream" product. It's like the dairy equivalent of those "water added" hams...


These.  I was actually going to point out the vegan connection.  One of the things I used to tease my vegan girlfriend about, whenever she'd try to tell me that if done right you can't tell the difference between vegan and non-vegan food, was that the vegan ice cream sandwiches she loved would not melt in the sun.  I'm not saying they didn't taste decent, but I found that a bit odd.

What they probably should be going after wal-mart for is not that the ice cream sandwiches don't melt, but that their ingredients list is misleading.  Ingredients are supposed to be ordered from highest amount to lowest.  In order to make an ice cream sandwich not melt I'm pretty sure milk can't be the first ingredient.
 
2014-07-27 07:44:21 AM  
This reminds me of some Breyers "ice cream" I left out in a bowl over night about a month ago,

It was heavenly hash,  and when I saw it the next day it was still in the same shape I had left it. But underneath the lump that didn't melt was a clear oily fluid.

Yummy!
 
2014-07-27 07:44:26 AM  
You are feeding your children cheap crap that you bought.  Way to blame the poor parenting on Walmart.

Spend less money on weaves and wigs and more money on food.
 
2014-07-27 07:45:32 AM  

WanPhat: It's likely many other store brands buy from the same supplier, but WalMart is evil, so let's blame them.


Wal Mart is known to make harsh demands on their suppliers, in the name of saving money on making things.  Corners to cut, insisting on non-US labor, etc.
 
2014-07-27 07:45:38 AM  
Ice cream flavored fillers
 
2014-07-27 07:46:42 AM  

Boo_Guy: This reminds me of some Breyers "ice cream" I left out in a bowl over night about a month ago,

It was heavenly hash,  and when I saw it the next day it was still in the same shape I had left it. But underneath the lump that didn't melt was a clear oily fluid.

Yummy!


I would happily commit a crime to go back to the days when Breyer's All Natural Vanilla Bean ice cream was exactly that.I must have eaten two gallons of that stuff a week.  Now I can't remember the last time I bought it.
 
2014-07-27 07:48:32 AM  
Ice cream is a defined product - do they use that or some other term like frozen treat?

You'll notice many fast food don't say milkshake. It's a shake or frosty...
 
2014-07-27 07:49:54 AM  
And candy bars with 'chocolatey' coating because they're not technically chocolate
 
2014-07-27 07:50:09 AM  

theflatline: You are feeding your children cheap crap that you bought.  Way to blame the poor parenting on Walmart.

Spend less money on weaves and wigs and more money on food.


Pray tell how else is she going to keep her man around? Those weaves be sexy!
 
2014-07-27 07:50:11 AM  
They can ship these in the refrigeration trucks instead of the freezer ones and save a fortune! You don't even have to freeze them in the factory.

\food $cience
\\Now working on the New  Soylentline of products
 
2014-07-27 07:51:50 AM  
It's a SIGN! Wake up people, before i's to late.
 
2014-07-27 07:52:00 AM  

Boo_Guy: This reminds me of some Breyers "ice cream" I left out in a bowl over night about a month ago,

It was heavenly hash,  and when I saw it the next day it was still in the same shape I had left it. But underneath the lump that didn't melt was a clear oily fluid.

Yummy!


While Breyers was once a high quality ice cream made in Wisconsin (cow country), they've since been bought out by the good folks at Unilever and moved to New Jersey (chemical waste country).  Their products are now all pretty much crap trying to ride on the coattails of a once proud family name..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breyers#Cost-cutting
 
2014-07-27 07:54:07 AM  
My wife bought some super expensive ice cream for our anniversary. It came in a plastic jar. That was some good ice cream. She bought it because we seldom indulge and it had only three ingredients.
 
2014-07-27 07:58:18 AM  
It is not evil, it is vanilla!
 
2014-07-27 08:00:23 AM  
Longer lasting food is a good thing.
 
2014-07-27 08:00:32 AM  

AngryDragon: Boo_Guy: This reminds me of some Breyers "ice cream" I left out in a bowl over night about a month ago,

It was heavenly hash,  and when I saw it the next day it was still in the same shape I had left it. But underneath the lump that didn't melt was a clear oily fluid.

Yummy!

I would happily commit a crime to go back to the days when Breyer's All Natural Vanilla Bean ice cream was exactly that.I must have eaten two gallons of that stuff a week.  Now I can't remember the last time I bought it.


Well up here in Canada the Breyer's in blue containers are "frozen dessert",  not enough milk to be called ice cream,  the ones in the black containers,  which includes Vanilla Bean is still the real thing.  It's also about 3 bucks more than the blue crap.  I'm not a vanilla guy though so I don't know if it's still the real thing or not; http://www.breyers.ca/product/detail/139655/natural-vanilla

Just checking both the us and ca websites the ingredients do seem to be different between the vanillas.. but then there are different labeling laws.
 
2014-07-27 08:00:50 AM  

yukichigai: Ambivalence: It's not that the ice cream didn't melt, it's that it didn't liquify.  Which is probably because it's not ice cream so much as frozen, whipped oreo filling (most likely) or some other combination of ingredients that create a polymerization that remains stable in warm temperatures.

In other words, not ice cream.

Epicanis: The ingredients include "guar gum, [...]  carob bean gum, cellulose gum, carrageenan".

The formulation sounds like it's not just "ice cream" but rather "vegan Jell-O with ice cream mixed in it for flavor".

It's relatively benign, but it's not exactly a high-quality "ice cream" product. It's like the dairy equivalent of those "water added" hams...

These.  I was actually going to point out the vegan connection.  One of the things I used to tease my vegan girlfriend about, whenever she'd try to tell me that if done right you can't tell the difference between vegan and non-vegan food, was that the vegan ice cream sandwiches she loved would not melt in the sun.  I'm not saying they didn't taste decent, but I found that a bit odd.

What they probably should be going after wal-mart for is not that the ice cream sandwiches don't melt, but that their ingredients list is misleading.  Ingredients are supposed to be ordered from highest amount to lowest.  In order to make an ice cream sandwich not melt I'm pretty sure milk can't be the first ingredient.


Not really. Thickeners like guar and cellulosics are very efficient - you only need 1%-3% by weight to effectively turn things into stiffish gels. Essentially, the thickeners allow you to solidify milk without separating the water and fat without having to freeze it.
 
2014-07-27 08:02:07 AM  

Boo_Guy: AngryDragon: Boo_Guy: This reminds me of some Breyers "ice cream" I left out in a bowl over night about a month ago,

It was heavenly hash,  and when I saw it the next day it was still in the same shape I had left it. But underneath the lump that didn't melt was a clear oily fluid.

Yummy!

I would happily commit a crime to go back to the days when Breyer's All Natural Vanilla Bean ice cream was exactly that.I must have eaten two gallons of that stuff a week.  Now I can't remember the last time I bought it.

Well up here in Canada the Breyer's in blue containers are "frozen dessert",  not enough milk to be called ice cream,  the ones in the black containers,  which includes Vanilla Bean is still the real thing.  It's also about 3 bucks more than the blue crap.  I'm not a vanilla guy though so I don't know if it's still the real thing or not; http://www.breyers.ca/product/detail/139655/natural-vanilla

Just checking both the us and ca websites the ingredients do seem to be different between the vanillas.. but then there are different labeling laws.


Sadly this isn't it.  Thanks though.  The real stuff had five ingredients IIRC
 
2014-07-27 08:02:23 AM  

TheDirtyNacho: And candy bars with 'chocolatey' coating because they're not technically chocolate


George Carlin: "Know what chocolaty means?  NO farkING CHOCOLATE!"
 
2014-07-27 08:02:49 AM  
That's the Freedom that causes the 'ice cream' to not melt.  Liberty, too.  Maybe some Jesus.
 
2014-07-27 08:03:56 AM  

WanPhat: It's likely many other store brands buy from the same supplier, but WalMart is evil, so let's blame them.


It's not fair to treat everyone as completely the same, so let's give Walmart a free pass on everything.
 
2014-07-27 08:04:16 AM  
walmart hamburger buns want mold even after a month, now that's some durable shiat, to bad they taste like a sugar coated turd.
 
2014-07-27 08:04:25 AM  

hlehmann: Boo_Guy: This reminds me of some Breyers "ice cream" I left out in a bowl over night about a month ago,

It was heavenly hash,  and when I saw it the next day it was still in the same shape I had left it. But underneath the lump that didn't melt was a clear oily fluid.

Yummy!

While Breyers was once a high quality ice cream made in Wisconsin (cow country), they've since been bought out by the good folks at Unilever and moved to New Jersey (chemical waste country).  Their products are now all pretty much crap trying to ride on the coattails of a once proud family name..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breyers#Cost-cutting


The black boxed ones in Canada still meet the legal definition of ice cream.  They are more expensive than the blue garbage but it is good.
 
2014-07-27 08:04:47 AM  
Sitting in an ancient rocking chair that's falling apart and full of archived farts, connecting to the Internet via a shiatty EarthLink dial-up (yes, until I get a farking DSL modem from my friend), enjoying the last DXM farking trip I'll ever take (that shiat is stronger than pot and evil), and wondering how many galaxies* are made of the same artificial fill used in Wal-Mart brand (TM) non-meltable ice-creme-like sandwiches.

*Exactly 43,685,769 galaxies are made out of poly-sorbate-80-dextro-lactose-whatchamacallit, the "stuff" used in Wal-Mart brand Almost Real (TM) ice-creme-like bars.

**Trying to give up a lot of garbage right before my 50th birthday.

***goodbye
 
2014-07-27 08:11:43 AM  

NobleHam: It's ice cream with a few harmless additives affecting its texture. If it tastes good, it doesn't matter. It's probably not as good in taste or flavor as pure ice cream, but it's not going to hurt you any more.

Because the original it's imitating is effin' ice cream.  You don't eat this stuff to get your goddamn vitamins; flavor is the only reason to buy ice cream in the first place.

And while there's little good to say about Wal-Mart, they really only exist because people have a buy-crap-and-waste mentality which makes good stuff relatively hard to find.  Not sure what decade & country I should've lived in but this sure feels like the wrong one.
 
2014-07-27 08:12:44 AM  
 
2014-07-27 08:13:19 AM  

Psycat: Sitting in an ancient rocking chair that's falling apart and full of archived farts, connecting to the Internet via a shiatty EarthLink dial-up (yes, until I get a farking DSL modem from my friend), enjoying the last DXM farking trip I'll ever take (that shiat is stronger than pot and evil), and wondering how many galaxies* are made of the same artificial fill used in Wal-Mart brand (TM) non-meltable ice-creme-like sandwiches.

*Exactly 43,685,769 galaxies are made out of poly-sorbate-80-dextro-lactose-whatchamacallit, the "stuff" used in Wal-Mart brand Almost Real (TM) ice-creme-like bars.

**Trying to give up a lot of garbage right before my 50th birthday.

***goodbye


Delightful!
 
2014-07-27 08:14:37 AM  

yukichigai: Ambivalence: It's not that the ice cream didn't melt, it's that it didn't liquify.  Which is probably because it's not ice cream so much as frozen, whipped oreo filling (most likely) or some other combination of ingredients that create a polymerization that remains stable in warm temperatures.

In other words, not ice cream.

Epicanis: The ingredients include "guar gum, [...]  carob bean gum, cellulose gum, carrageenan".

The formulation sounds like it's not just "ice cream" but rather "vegan Jell-O with ice cream mixed in it for flavor".

It's relatively benign, but it's not exactly a high-quality "ice cream" product. It's like the dairy equivalent of those "water added" hams...

These.  I was actually going to point out the vegan connection.  One of the things I used to tease my vegan girlfriend about, whenever she'd try to tell me that if done right you can't tell the difference between vegan and non-vegan food, was that the vegan ice cream sandwiches she loved would not melt in the sun.  I'm not saying they didn't taste decent, but I found that a bit odd.

What they probably should be going after wal-mart for is not that the ice cream sandwiches don't melt, but that their ingredients list is misleading.  Ingredients are supposed to be ordered from highest amount to lowest.  In order to make an ice cream sandwich not melt I'm pretty sure milk can't be the first ingredient.


You've apparently never cooked anything that required gelatin, corn starch, or flour as a thickening agent. A very small amount of those things goes an awful long ways. It looks like they have multiple thickening agents, each of which is a minor component of the overall "recipe". Each is minor enough in its own right to not have to be a the top of the label.
 
2014-07-27 08:16:58 AM  

haywatchthis: walmart hamburger buns want mold even after a month, now that's some durable shiat, to bad they taste like a sugar coated turd.


Great Value breads and buns come from the same place as the name brand bread. In fact they come on the same truck. It may be a different recipe but it's the same source.
 
2014-07-27 08:20:12 AM  
The end of the world, surely! The delicious crap we feed ourselves has additives to make it more delicious?!
 
2014-07-27 08:21:46 AM  

Guuberre: You've apparently never cooked anything that required gelatin, corn starch, or flour as a thickening agent. A very small amount of those things goes an awful long ways. It looks like they have multiple thickening agents, each of which is a minor component of the overall "recipe". Each is minor enough in its own right to not have to be a the top of the label.


Yep, you can go make your own now, in fact:

http://www.modernistpantry.com/
 
2014-07-27 08:23:05 AM  

dragonchild: NobleHam: It's ice cream with a few harmless additives affecting its texture. If it tastes good, it doesn't matter. It's probably not as good in taste or flavor as pure ice cream, but it's not going to hurt you any more.
Because the original it's imitating is effin' ice cream.  You don't eat this stuff to get your goddamn vitamins; flavor is the only reason to buy ice cream in the first place.

And while there's little good to say about Wal-Mart, they really only exist because people have a buy-crap-and-waste mentality which makes good stuff relatively hard to find.  Not sure what decade & country I should've lived in but this sure feels like the wrong one.


I get what you are saying but it's more about price than anything else for the troglodytes who shop at Walmart.
 
2014-07-27 08:25:53 AM  

TheDirtyNacho: And candy bars with 'chocolatey' coating because they're not technically chocolate


Pasturized cheese food product.

Orange drink

all clever ways to tell you what you're eating is not what you think you're eating.
 
2014-07-27 08:28:18 AM  
"Oh the Crunch enhancer? Yeah it's a non-nutritive cereal varnish. It's semi-permiable. It's not osmotic. What it does is it coats and seals the flake, prevents the milk from penetrating it."
 
2014-07-27 08:31:28 AM  
When you ship them from China you have to ensure they won't melt.
 
2014-07-27 08:32:10 AM  

Ambivalence: TheDirtyNacho: And candy bars with 'chocolatey' coating because they're not technically chocolate

Pasturized cheese food product.

Orange drink

all clever ways to tell you what you're eating is not what you think you're eating.


theflatline: You are feeding your children cheap crap that you bought.  Way to blame the poor parenting on Walmart.

Spend less money on weaves and wigs and more money on food.


These. There is a relationship between the kid's health and behavior and this chemical crap they're being fed, but don't consider that for a minute Mom.

/duh
 
2014-07-27 08:33:20 AM  

TheSopwithTurtle: yukichigai: [...]
What they probably should be going after wal-mart for is not that the ice cream sandwiches don't melt, but that their ingredients list is misleading.  Ingredients are supposed to be ordered from highest amount to lowest.  In order to make an ice cream sandwich not melt I'm pretty sure milk can't be the first ingredient.

Not really. Thickeners like guar and cellulosics are very efficient - you only need 1%-3% by weight to effectively turn things into stiffish gels. Essentially, the thickeners allow you to solidify milk without separating the water and fat without having to freeze it.


Very much this. I've experimented with xanthan gum as a stabilizer in my own ice cream. I made a batch with what I'd estimate was less than 2 grams of xanthan gum in around 4/5 of a quart of ingredients (before churning) - probably more than 99% "milk, cream, sugar, and vanilla extract".

The end result still had the consistency of "instant pudding" even when it warmed back up to room temperature. (It tasted fine, but that degree of stabilization was a bit more than I was aiming for...)
 
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