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2014-07-26 12:39:42 PM  

BSABSVR: Holy shiat that guy's mom just made me blind.


You are very good at typing.
 
2014-07-26 12:40:07 PM  

Prophet of Loss: The woman was obviously wrong for beating and attempting to rob an old man.

The old man is wrong because assault and robbery are not capital crimes. We could, as a society, make them such but we have chosen to impose lesser penalties. The old man shot a fleeing person (who was no immediate threat to him) in the back twice. That is straight up second degree murder.


Death by Misadventure
 
2014-07-26 12:40:26 PM  

Roook: If we're really pushing to move towards a society where it's ok for victims to execute criminals can I at least propose a compromise.

I just don't really feel comfortable with normal citizens playing judge, jury, and executioner.  Can we at least have a trained police officer perform the execution?  Once the criminal is detained, have an officer pop a bullet in the criminal's head?

Or if the whole point is to let the victim get revenge and some blood on their hands, at least have officers supervise the on the spot execution?  I'd just be more comfortable, personally, with this if we're heading there.


Dredd? Is that you?
 
2014-07-26 12:41:19 PM  
Chris Rock "but I understand..."
 
2014-07-26 12:41:39 PM  
Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.

YMMV but your patriotism does not exceed mine.
 
2014-07-26 12:43:02 PM  
Think of it as evolution in action.
 
2014-07-26 12:43:19 PM  

RandomAxe: This is nothing like a police shooting. The average person has not been trained to deal with this kind of situation. Firearm training doesn't do it, either. The amount of justified anger and adrenaline in your system . . . rational decision-making may be impossible, and judging right from wrong, too. If I were on the jury, absolutely I'd be disposed to vote for a temporary insanity defense.


In the video that is somewhere, the old guy is talking about how he came in on them, and they just ignored him and kept right on going through his safe. That was either before or after they threw him to the ground, probably after. I don't know, I'm a pretty pacifistic person, but if some farkers were in my house robbing me AGAIN, and they didn't even have the decency to run away when I caught them, just kind of stood there and laughed at my oldness and frailty, after beating me up.....I might do the same thing.
 
2014-07-26 12:43:33 PM  

vegaswench: The mother's dead eyes are going to haunt my nightmares.

I'm still not sorry she's dead, and I'm glad they didn't charge the old trigger-happy coot.  Yes, I already know I'm a terrible person.


I agree with you. its not like we are running low on home invasion robbers who beat down their elderly victims. Losing one wont make them endangered or in need of protection.
 
2014-07-26 12:43:50 PM  

brap: Oh well in that case please, blast away with impunity!


As someone who has been a victim of a home invasion, I agree.  Someone violates my home in the commission of a crime and I don't care why they are there.  If you are then forced to defend yourself as a result, it is perfectly acceptable for him/her/them to never get up again.
 
2014-07-26 12:43:59 PM  

Repack Rider: Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.

YMMV but your patriotism does not exceed mine.


I would much rather you kill them then have them rob me the day after
 
2014-07-26 12:45:50 PM  

Repack Rider: Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.

YMMV but your patriotism does not exceed mine.


Having gone through that while I was living alone, I won't tolerate the possibility of that happening to my family.

I'd rather live with the knowledge that I shot someone to death than live with the knowledge that my wife was beaten or killed because I couldn't or didn't stop it.
 
2014-07-26 12:45:57 PM  

whither_apophis: Gun laws in this country are way too confusing:
fire a warning shot - jail
starting a fight then shooting - no jail
firing on cops doing a no-knock warrent on the wrong house - jail
shooting someone turning around in your driveway - no jail
booby-traps - jail
shooting thru your door at someone in the middle of the night - no jail

We really need to be on the same page here.


It's pretty straightforward actually. Do the opposite of how the rest of the developed world operates.
 
2014-07-26 12:46:20 PM  

Repack Rider: Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.



No wonder we lost in Iraq.
 
2014-07-26 12:47:16 PM  

BSABSVR: Yogimus: Roook: If we're really pushing to move towards a society where it's ok for victims to execute criminals ...


How can this possibly be an issue?

Because Fark has decided that the correct penalty for every crime is pretty much "death". Because your average joe or Jane will have more issues than they think they will when they pull the trigger on another person. Because people have faked crime scenes to get away with murder before.


Its not so much that its the correct punishment, more of an occupational hazard catching up with someone. If your occupation is breaking into houses, you just may run into someone that takes offense at that. That just might mean getting hurt or killed.

If you get hurt doing honest work, I'll feel bad. Get hurt digging coal or falling off a ladder or something, you have at least my sympathy. Get shot running away from a burglary where you brutally beat an old man? It may not be legal, may not even be moral, but I'm struggling to care.
 
2014-07-26 12:48:05 PM  
RandomAxe:This is nothing like a police shooting. The average person has not been trained to deal with this kind of situation. Firearm training doesn't do it, either. The amount of justified anger and adrenaline in your system . . . rational decision-making may be impossible, and judging right from wrong, too. If I were on the jury, absolutely I'd be disposed to vote for a temporary insanity defense.

That brings up an interesting point. If he was better trained and a better shot, they'd both be lying in the coroner's office with head shots after being scraped off the livingroom floor and we wouldn't be having this debate at all. I guess the NRA is right that it's worth the time and money to visit your local shooting range.
 
2014-07-26 12:49:18 PM  
I have no sympathy for the crooks, even if she was pregnant.  If she was, I'd just count that as a service to society because you know that kid would grow up living off the government and continuing in mom's footsteps.  Probably running outside and executing her isn't a good idea, but nothing will happen to him because he is old, and old people get a pass for everything.
 
2014-07-26 12:50:27 PM  

Eirik: Get shot running away from a burglary where you brutally beat an old man? It may not be legal, may not even be moral, but I'm struggling to care.


I'm failing to see how spending $50,000 a year to imprison an 80 year old man who is not a threat to the general public is a valuable use of resources.
 
2014-07-26 12:50:29 PM  

Repack Rider: Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.

YMMV but your patriotism does not exceed mine.


where do you live??...you sound like an easy mark.......
 
2014-07-26 12:52:07 PM  
How do you know random people breaking into your house are gonna stop at beating you up a little?

I'm confused
 
2014-07-26 12:53:03 PM  

plmyfngr: Repack Rider: Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.

YMMV but your patriotism does not exceed mine.

where do you live??...you sound like an easy mark.......


Some people value the life of another above their own. This is admirable. Some value the life of another at... oh, about a buck fifty. This is notable
 
2014-07-26 12:53:18 PM  

AngryDragon: brap: Oh well in that case please, blast away with impunity!

As someone who has been a victim of a home invasion, I agree.  Someone violates my home in the commission of a crime and I don't care why they are there.  If you are then forced to defend yourself as a result, it is perfectly acceptable for him/her/them to never get up again.


Rock on Mr. Bronson.  My worldview differs from yours!   You should try consider Jainism.  It helps you let go of the "stuff" in the world.
 
2014-07-26 12:54:25 PM  
I hope you all are getting an understanding of how the criminal element gets away with so much shiat.

Nothing was done to stop these people from assaulting and robbing the old man repeatedly.

Then he finally decides if he doesn't shoot to kill they'll probably come back and injure him to the point where he will be hospitalized and lose his home.

So he did what he had to do. And the cops and prosecutors didn't do what they had to do to keep these people away from an old man.

I'm sorry he killed someone but a patrol car parked on the neighborhood street and routine patrols and zero tolerance enforcement would have gone a long way to protecting that old man.
 
2014-07-26 12:54:41 PM  
not only would I follow you into an alley....I'd follow you home and shoot you in your kitchen if that's what it took.......
 
2014-07-26 12:54:53 PM  
i say we drag out her decomposing carcass and use it for target practice.
 
2014-07-26 12:55:04 PM  

vudutek: Doktor_Zhivago: At first I was all "How could someone shoot someone in the back that was running away?"

And then i read about how they beat the shiat out of him and had robbed him multiple times so i could kinda see how in the moment with the adrenaline pumping you could do something like that with the fear that they might come back again.

Not saying its ok but its hardly 1st degree murder.

Actually, it looks very much like first degree murder. Shooting an unarmed person in the back. Twice.
I shake my head when I've been reading the comments on these articles. So many claim "they may have been going to get guns and come back" as some kind of defense for this guy. REALLY? You'd think that if they had guns, they'd have brought them to the robbery in the first place.


Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Just like Hamas.
 
2014-07-26 12:55:47 PM  

beany: vudutek: Doktor_Zhivago: At first I was all "How could someone shoot someone in the back that was running away?"

And then i read about how they beat the shiat out of him and had robbed him multiple times so i could kinda see how in the moment with the adrenaline pumping you could do something like that with the fear that they might come back again.

Not saying its ok but its hardly 1st degree murder.

Actually, it looks very much like first degree murder. Shooting an unarmed person in the back. Twice.

My intensive legal training (Law & Order, Seasons 1 through 15) leads me to believe this counts as second-degree murder. First-degree involves some premeditation and planning. This was deliberate, but also heat of the moment.


In the original thread one of Fark's prominent actual lawyers explained how the courts actually do consider what he did to fall under 1st degree murder.

Because as she lay wounded, laying on the ground begging for her life he listened to her then intentionally executed her - he stopped and took the time to contemplate his actions. That the courts generally consider to be enough to be pre-meditation.

Personally, my thoughts on the whole thing... Nothing of value was lost. Her and her accomplice were unrepentant scumbags. I don't mourn their passing... But that still doesn't make it right to execute her like he did.

He chased her down and wounded her already. If he had stopped there, even though he had chased her down, I'd be on his side completely. But he then stood over her as she literally - according to his own admission - lay there bleeding and begging him desperately for her life. He thought about it and deliberately decided to take it upon himself to execute her. Not kill in self defense, not kill out of fear... To look her in the eyes, listen to her pleas and end her instead of letting the police handle things from there out. Hell, they might have gotten the accomplice too if he hadn't killed her and she could name him.

I hope he is charged with her murder (what degree I don't care), I hope her accomplice is found and charged for his involvement in her death as well as his burglary and battery charges too. They all farked up big time.
 
2014-07-26 12:55:59 PM  

vegaswench: I'm still not sorry she's dead, and I'm glad they didn't charge the old trigger-happy coot.  Yes, I already know I'm a terrible person.

i.imgur.com


Precisely. I prefer the person in the midst of getting attacked and robbed to defend him/herself rather than the State. The State shouldn't have the power to give/take life because it can't be held responsible for it. Only individuals can be responsible for actions, not some nebulous social concept.That's just evading responsibility that should be tied to individuals.
 
2014-07-26 12:57:14 PM  

Yogimus: plmyfngr: Repack Rider: Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.

YMMV but your patriotism does not exceed mine.

where do you live??...you sound like an easy mark.......

Some people value the life of another above their own. This is admirable. Some value the life of another at... oh, about a buck fifty. This is notable


I figure YOU decided the value of your life when you break into my home......
 
2014-07-26 12:57:51 PM  

One Bad Apple: Repack Rider: Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.

No wonder we lost in Iraq.


www.reactiongifs.com
 
2014-07-26 12:58:43 PM  

plmyfngr: Yogimus: plmyfngr: Repack Rider: Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.

YMMV but your patriotism does not exceed mine.

where do you live??...you sound like an easy mark.......

Some people value the life of another above their own. This is admirable. Some value the life of another at... oh, about a buck fifty. This is notable

I figure YOU decided the value of your life when you break into my home......


Yep.
 
2014-07-26 12:59:35 PM  

vudutek: Doktor_Zhivago: At first I was all "How could someone shoot someone in the back that was running away?"

And then i read about how they beat the shiat out of him and had robbed him multiple times so i could kinda see how in the moment with the adrenaline pumping you could do something like that with the fear that they might come back again.

Not saying its ok but its hardly 1st degree murder.

Actually, it looks very much like first degree murder. Shooting an unarmed person in the back. Twice.
I shake my head when I've been reading the comments on these articles. So many claim "they may have been going to get guns and come back" as some kind of defense for this guy. REALLY? You'd think that if they had guns, they'd have brought them to the robbery in the first place.


No, it looks NOTHING like first degree murder. Old guy minding his own business gets robbed and beaten. He's been victimized before by the same couple. He gets angry because they made him angry, and he blasts her because he had a delectable gun treat. She was cruisin for a bruisin. At worst its manslaughter. He premeditated nothing. He reacted in delicious retribution. She will never hurt another person. Hope he walks and they charge her accomplice with murder.
 
2014-07-26 12:59:51 PM  

mongbiohazard: He chased her down and wounded her already. If he had stopped there, even though he had chased her down, I'd be on his side completely. But he then stood over her as she literally - according to his own admission - lay there bleeding and begging him desperately for her life. He thought about it and deliberately decided to take it upon himself to execute her. Not kill in self defense, not kill out of fear... To look her in the eyes, listen to her pleas and end her instead of letting the police handle things from there out.


Shame he didn't jerk off on her face.
 
2014-07-26 01:00:25 PM  

AngryDragon: Someone violates my home in the commission of a crime and I don't care why they are there.  If you are then forced to defend yourself as a result, it is perfectly acceptable for him/her/them to never get up again.

i.imgur.com


The assailants demonstrated that they were quite comfortable with potentially killing him. In that situation, whatever force needed to neutralize the assailants is fine with me.
 
2014-07-26 01:01:21 PM  
Even if she was pregnant, the kid would have just turned into another junkie thief. The only sad part about this story is that the old codger didn't kill the guy, too.
 
2014-07-26 01:02:32 PM  

whither_apophis: Gun laws in this country are way too confusing:
fire a warning shot - jail
starting a fight then shooting - no jail
firing on cops doing a no-knock warrent on the wrong house - jail
shooting someone turning around in your driveway - no jail
booby-traps - jail
shooting thru your door at someone in the middle of the night - no jail

We really need to be on the same page here.


You need to make two columns. "White" and "Non-White". The results are drastically different.
 
2014-07-26 01:02:32 PM  

pueblonative: whither_apophis: Gun laws in this country are way too confusing:
fire a warning shot - jail

A warning shot just doesn't dissipate into the air, you know.  It will come down somewhere.  And if you're careless enough not to consider that you quite frankly deserve a little time in the pokey.


What if I did consider it and don't care? Hah! checkmate libby

/warning shots are at the feet anyway
 
2014-07-26 01:03:43 PM  
IF THE RICH PEOPLE WOULD JUST GIVE THE POOR PEOPLE MORE MONEY THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO STEAL........

//that's sarcasm by the way...
 
2014-07-26 01:03:44 PM  
Is this a follow up of the old fark who executed the woman in an alley outside the house?

If it is I don't give a flying fark if she was pregnant or not,  that old bastard needs to hang.

If it isn't,  then carry on.
 
2014-07-26 01:04:06 PM  
One Bad Apple:  No wonder we lost in Iraq.

kristinhoppe.files.wordpress.com

I was against the Iraq war from the beginning. But damn.
 
2014-07-26 01:05:46 PM  
Doesn't matter. He executed her.
 
2014-07-26 01:06:41 PM  

MBrady: brap: Oh well in that case please, blast away with impunity!

so what you do hotshot?  apologize for in the house when the two career criminals robbed a senior citizen baby boomer multiple times and beat the shiat out of him?  Is that okay?   It must be okay because we all know that FarkliberalsTM hate baby boomers and want them all dead because they farked the economy and are living too long, and they are in the process of farking up social security.

amirite?



i253.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-26 01:07:40 PM  

Bonobo62: Good. Dig her up and shoot her again.


So brave.
 
2014-07-26 01:07:45 PM  

mongbiohazard: He thought about it and deliberately decided to take it upon himself to execute her. Not kill in self defense, not kill out of fear... To look her in the eyes, listen to her pleas and end her instead of letting the police handle things from there out. Hell, they might have gotten the accomplice too if he hadn't killed her and she could name him.


He himself said he killed her to send a message to her accomplice to not come back.

They found her accomplice with her being dead.

The police already repeatedly failed him. And look, they finally pulled their shiat together AFTER he created a body. By killing her he finally got the attention from law enforcement he wanted.

Accomplice goes to prison longer now because the murder is on him.
 
2014-07-26 01:08:05 PM  

Repack Rider: Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.

YMMV but your patriotism does not exceed mine.


I don't want to own a gun because I wouldn't want to kill someone.....were I an 80-y/o repeat victim I would likely  opt to shoot for the kneecaps......some say an eye for an eye....how about limited mobility and join pain for life - much like the senior you targeted?

This makes me a bad Christian, apparently. Only love of Apple Pie marks me as a patriot.
 
2014-07-26 01:08:07 PM  

whither_apophis: Gun laws in this country are way too confusing:
fire a warning shot - jail
starting a fight then shooting - no jail
firing on cops doing a no-knock warrent on the wrong house - jail depends on where you live
shooting someone turning around in your driveway - no jail
booby-traps - jail
shooting thru your door at someone in the middle of the night - no jail

We really need to be on the same page here.

 
2014-07-26 01:08:13 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Doesn't matter. He executed her.


Hell yeah he did, any local Farkers should buy this guy a beer.
 
2014-07-26 01:09:16 PM  
how come y'all are so upset about a guy shooting a criminal who robbed and beat him but you don't get your panties in a wad about all the shootings in Chicago??.....BY CRIMINALS
 
2014-07-26 01:10:07 PM  

MBrady: for in the house when the two career criminals robbed a senior citizen baby boomer multiple times and beat the shiat out of him? Is that okay?


He's 10-15 years too old to be a Boomer.
 
2014-07-26 01:11:56 PM  

Clint_Torres: whither_apophis: Gun laws in this country are way too confusing:
fire a warning shot - jail
starting a fight then shooting - no jail
firing on cops doing a no-knock warrent on the wrong house - jail depends on where you live
shooting someone turning around in your driveway - no jail
booby-traps - jail
shooting thru your door at someone in the middle of the night - no jail

We really need to be on the same page here.


See! My point exactly. We need standards... a common core if you will.
 
2014-07-26 01:12:11 PM  

parasol: Repack Rider: Speaking as an Army vet (E-5, Honorable Discharge), that's why I don't own a gun.

I would MUCH RATHER get the crap beaten out of me than live with having killed someone.

YMMV but your patriotism does not exceed mine.

I don't want to own a gun because I wouldn't want to kill someone.....were I an 80-y/o repeat victim I would likely  opt to shoot for the kneecaps......some say an eye for an eye....how about limited mobility and join pain for life - much like the senior you targeted?

This makes me a bad Christian, apparently. Only love of Apple Pie marks me as a patriot.


you obviously don't know what you're talking about...ANY self defense course will tell you to aim for body mass...kneecaps and arm shots are for the movies..
 
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