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2014-07-26 11:43:44 AM  
$$$s?

- Guessing
 
2014-07-26 11:55:08 AM  
Because it costs a lot of money and over three hours out of a day to play?
 
2014-07-26 12:28:13 PM  
What color?
 
2014-07-26 12:32:48 PM  
Old rich white people are dying and aren't being replaced by people who give a shiat about golf?
 
2014-07-26 12:33:39 PM  
Good. Maybe they can bury it next to baseball.
 
2014-07-26 12:34:24 PM  
No one can afford country club memberships

Thanks Obama
 
2014-07-26 12:38:39 PM  
It's interesting. I remember growing up that my Dad would try to get 9-holes in during the week after work. I don't see people do that. It's always more of a scheduled thing. I think these days with Dads taking over more stuff to do with the daily routine of raising kids, there just isn't time to cram golf into the day or even the weekend.

Probably doesn't help that there's way too many courses, the courses are all varying levels of private, and far, far too expensive to play, etc., etc.
 
2014-07-26 12:40:41 PM  
Because it's a waste of vital water, sub/urban space, and especially our tax dollars for public courses? Yeah, I'll go with that.
 
2014-07-26 12:47:23 PM  
I was always thankful that I had a career where I wasn't expected to play golf with people, like the sales guys did. And all the golf dolts ever wanted to talk about was golf, no matter how uninterested their audience was or how boring their stories. "Then the ball went in the hole!"
 
2014-07-26 12:47:26 PM  
The golf bubble burst. In the future I'm going to tell people that I was around for the great golf depression and that it hardened me. Maybe I'll write a book about it and call it "The Grips of Wrath."
 
2014-07-26 12:50:57 PM  
Whole lot of hate in this thread.
 
2014-07-26 12:52:06 PM  

knight_on_the_rail: The golf bubble burst. In the future I'm going to tell people that I was around for the great golf depression and that it hardened me. Maybe I'll write a book about it and call it "The Grips of Wrath."


Heh...

/well played
 
2014-07-26 12:58:28 PM  

fatalvenom: Whole lot of hate in this thread.


u teed off, m8?
 
2014-07-26 01:00:53 PM  
Golf = 4 hours to play.

Counterstrike = 2 minutes per round.
 
2014-07-26 01:02:25 PM  
I'll tell ya, country clubs and cemeteries are the biggest wastes of prime real estate.
 
2014-07-26 01:03:23 PM  

Mugato: Old rich white people are dying and aren't being replaced by people who give a shiat about golf?


White people haven't been the target audience for years, Asians are golfs biggest crowd now and the sport is huge. Saying its dead is like saying MLB is dead or soccer is taking over the USA.

All three are lies, the PGA just has a no Tiger winning issue.
 
2014-07-26 01:06:28 PM  

King_Nothing: I'll tell ya, country clubs and cemeteries are the biggest wastes of prime real estate.


Ghettos are much better
 
2014-07-26 01:10:52 PM  
I tried getting into golf. Cheap set of clubs and bag $70
Used golf balls $12
Having to get a tee time at 9 hole course instead of spur of the momment decision
Cost to play $30
Realising you needed lessons to get food and even group lessons cost $100 or more

Took up disc golf instead best decision ever made
 
2014-07-26 01:11:07 PM  

mikaloyd: King_Nothing: I'll tell ya, country clubs and cemeteries are the biggest wastes of prime real estate.

Ghettos are much better


I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?
 
2014-07-26 01:13:27 PM  
because dads actually help raise their kids now?

/also wealth inequality and the price of golf...
 
2014-07-26 01:17:04 PM  
For me it's that the windmill and the dragon's mouth are never synced up properly.
 
2014-07-26 01:17:38 PM  

Hiro-ACiD: Because it's a waste of vital water, sub/urban space, and especially our tax dollars for public courses? Yeah, I'll go with that.


I agree, especially with the first part. Water is already running short in Western states - when the time comes to choose between drinking water and golf courses, that could be the beginning of the end for golf. Maybe mini golf will take over. It's more fun anyhow. Or disc golf.

I also think auto-racing is an incredible waste of resources, but maybe I'm just the grumpy old hippie in the thread.
 
2014-07-26 01:18:09 PM  
No subbs, I'm about to head out to this super cheap 9 hole exec, it's like $12.  I'll take my time, hit 3 or 4 balls if no one is around.  Last year I nailed a 70 yard birdie, it's shots like that that keep ya coming back.
/i'm no pro, but i usually play bogey ball if i'm with friends doing 18
 
2014-07-26 01:18:24 PM  
The anticipated Tiger Woods fueled wave of new young urban golfers never materialized?
 
2014-07-26 01:20:26 PM  
You can't bury a pastime, Hillbilly.

Baseball is alive & well, much to your shigrin. How alive & well, you might ask?

Well enough for the last place team in the AL West to draw 35,500+ on nearly a 100 degree Friday night at Globe Life Park.

Thanks for playing!
 
2014-07-26 01:26:18 PM  

Argyle82: Golf = 4 hours to play.

Counterstrike = 2 minutes per round.


If it takes you 4 hours to play you really suck.  I dont' want you playing ahead of me so I'm just going to play through
 
2014-07-26 01:26:38 PM  
I've been a fan of the PGA since the late 70's, and a few years ago, I thought I might finally start playing, just to get some low impact exercise once in a while. I go to the PGA stop at Riviera every year, so last time I asked a bunch of people what I needed to do. Every one said "Buy a good set of clubs, don't get a cheap set". Next was "Get a good instructor and play every week". It suddenly started to feel like a job.

Good set of clubs: ca. $300-$400. Lessons: $40-$100 per lesson. Green fees: $50/round.

No thanks, I'll just watch it on TV and go to Riviera/Torrey Pines/Pebble Beach when I can.

As for the PGA, there will always be a small group of kids who want to play, it's not going away. There's less duffers and corporate guys that play at fancy private clubs? Meh.
 
2014-07-26 01:30:11 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The anticipated Tiger Woods fueled wave of new young urban golfers never materialized?


It did 17 years ago when he won his first Masters. Now almost two decades later it obvious golfs popularity waxes and wanes along Tigers career
 
2014-07-26 01:30:58 PM  

kkinnison: I tried getting into golf. Cheap set of clubs and bag $70
Used golf balls $12
Having to get a tee time at 9 hole course instead of spur of the momment decision
Cost to play $30
Realising you needed lessons to get food and even group lessons cost $100 or more

Took up disc golf instead best decision ever made


Why not both?
Seriously, I disc golf and play reg golf and I wish the etiquette transcended to disc golfers.  I love it when I go with a friend and there's a group of like 5 or 6 kids in front of us, waiting at every hole.  Sometimes I just want to drive into them.  If I'm playing slow or in a large group let people play through.
 
2014-07-26 01:31:27 PM  

4NTLRZ: You can't bury a pastime, Hillbilly.Baseball is alive & well, much to your shigrin.



I was being sarcastic. I really don't care either way.
 
2014-07-26 01:35:06 PM  

steamingpile: White people haven't been the target audience for years, Asians are golfs biggest crowd now and the sport is huge.


It may as well be dead for a lot of golf nuts then.
 
2014-07-26 01:38:03 PM  
The only reason I don't golf more is because I don't want to pay $50+ for green fees at a municipal course.  In high school I would golf at least twice a week, and at $20 for the same course(just over 10 years ago), it was affordable with my part time job to do that.  Now, even though my wage has risen commensurately, I just can't justify spending that much money when I can spend $15 at the batting cages or golf range for an hours worth of fun
 
2014-07-26 01:38:43 PM  
Because it isn't fun.
 
2014-07-26 01:41:28 PM  
seems to be doing fine in my neck of the woods.
 
2014-07-26 01:42:40 PM  

A Fark Handle: /also wealth inequality and the price of golf...


Hockey is also stupidly expensive to suit your kid up to play, and while it still lags behind other major professional sports in overall popularity, it's certainly isn't falling off, either.

The quintessential event for golf in North America, at least in terms of capturing every perception and stereotype of the sport, is probably The Masters, and the pomp and circumstance of it basically represents everything that millennials and Gen X'ers as whole no longer embody or relate to whatsoever.
 
2014-07-26 01:43:57 PM  

Henry Holland: I've been a fan of the PGA since the late 70's, and a few years ago, I thought I might finally start playing, just to get some low impact exercise once in a while. I go to the PGA stop at Riviera every year, so last time I asked a bunch of people what I needed to do. Every one said "Buy a good set of clubs, don't get a cheap set". Next was "Get a good instructor and play every week". It suddenly started to feel like a job.

Good set of clubs: ca. $300-$400. Lessons: $40-$100 per lesson. Green fees: $50/round.

No thanks, I'll just watch it on TV and go to Riviera/Torrey Pines/Pebble Beach when I can.

As for the PGA, there will always be a small group of kids who want to play, it's not going away. There's less duffers and corporate guys that play at fancy private clubs? Meh.


Get some clubs.  Better clubs are better, obviously, but whatever.  Any set will do.

Go to the driving range a ton.  If you can go with friends who are better than you and ask for a few pointers, great.  Otherwise, just go by yourself.

When you feel like you can hit a ball alright, go play some golf.
 
2014-07-26 01:46:01 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Argyle82: Golf = 4 hours to play.

Counterstrike = 2 minutes per round.

If it takes you 4 hours to play you really suck.  I dont' want you playing ahead of me so I'm just going to play through


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2014-07-26 01:46:11 PM  

Killer Cars: A Fark Handle: /also wealth inequality and the price of golf...

Hockey is also stupidly expensive to suit your kid up to play, and while it still lags behind other major professional sports in overall popularity, it's certainly isn't falling off, either.

The quintessential event for golf in North America, at least in terms of capturing every perception and stereotype of the sport, is probably The Masters, and the pomp and circumstance of it basically represents everything that millennials and Gen X'ers as whole no longer embody or relate to whatsoever.


Because parents pay inordinate amounts of money to get their kids into physical activity.  Football, hockey, golf, and lacrosse all cost a lot of money to put a kid in.  I'd rather pay for that than pay for me to golf.

Now, as far as pomp and circumstance, sure, less people give a shiat, but that's not why young adults are playing golf less
 
2014-07-26 01:47:41 PM  

Dafatone: Get some clubs. Better clubs are better, obviously, but whatever. Any set will do.


Well, not exactly.  Don't buy blades as a rookie, no matter how cheap the used set is at Nevada Bob's/Play It Again/Hollywood Golf/whatever
 
2014-07-26 01:51:03 PM  
I don't play as much golf as I used to because I have kids and they need to be places on weekends and after school.   I took up running instead and I'm in much better shape and it is a helluva lot cheaper.  I'm also better at it than golf so I can go out to a weekend race and compete with other dudes in my age group better than I could if I entered the local city championship golf tournament.

The Fall of Tiger is probably as much to blame as the fact Boomers don't have the money to play any more either.   Golf is pretty damn boring to watch and if there is no compelling figure in contention every week then it is just a bunch of boring country club-raised douchebags making par putts.
 
2014-07-26 01:55:35 PM  

bhcompy: Now, as far as pomp and circumstance, sure, less people give a shiat, but that's not why young adults are playing golf less


Sure, in of itself, the "spectacle" isn't the reason, but it doesn't help that such a landmark event invokes images of a Mad Men-era that's long gone. I've watched the sport enough, as have most of us, that we can separate the silliness and just observe the play, but fewer and fewer people under the age of 40 if they're new to the sport will take in that kind of ambiance and say "wow, I really want to be a part of this".
 
2014-07-26 01:57:27 PM  
I still don't know why anyone would watch golf, I'd rather watch bowling or billiards or darts or poker or anything else really.
 
2014-07-26 02:00:37 PM  
I love this golf glut.  It's forced just about every underused course into offering some sort of discount coupon.  Just last week I golfed the  pretty little course in Crowsnest Pass AB, snuggled into the southern Canadian Rockies. We paid a whopping $22 each- which included cart.  If you're finding golf expensive, you might not be trying hard enough.

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2014-07-26 02:00:46 PM  
Another factor not mentioned, difficulty most of the courses built in the late 90s and up are too hard for a new golfer.   A par 3 with an Island green that is unreachable without an extremely accurate 140+ yard shot takes the fun out of the game.  Hit it short in the water, hit it long in the water, don't get enough spin in the water.
 
2014-07-26 02:03:52 PM  
I always love when I tell golfers I paid $400 for a bicycle, they are aghast. But they have no problem spending that money on clubs.  WTF no moving parts.  No greens fees for a bicycle.  I am a boomer.
 
2014-07-26 02:04:15 PM  

Troy McClure: Because it isn't fun.


Because you probably suck.

I play every Sunday morning and while I'm nowhere near a scratch, I play well enough to where it is enjoyable.

Add good friends, and pour some booze on it and you can't beat it. Anything that gives you an excuse to drive drunk without killing people and be wasted on Sunday is a good thing in my eyes.
 
2014-07-26 02:04:57 PM  
I live on the Northwest side of Atlanta.  Our golf courses have disappeared because the clubs made more money selling out to developers to build lousy houses and charge $400K+ each for them.  Canterbury and Centennial are both closed.

There is Pinetree, but that is $5000 + for initiation and about $500/month dues + green fees.

Marietta Country club has a $100,000+ initiation fee for those over 35, plus monthly fees + green fees.

There are places like Pumpkinvine, which is a 9 hole course up in Acworth that actually is cheap (I think it is around $1/hole), or a little one in Woodstock behind Lowes (Though I think it might be closed), where it is so tight you get to dodge balls hit from people on adjacent holes.
 
2014-07-26 02:06:52 PM  
I was a caddy at an upscale country club (on and off for 2 years) and I could never figure out the big woop over it.
It was very very hard work, and I have funny stories to tell, not about the game but about the goofbag golfers.

This was in the mid to late 70s, when I was 12 - 14 years old and I didn't get rich, but it payed for the bulk of an ARP 2600 synthesizer.
The knowledge of that synth, both inside and out benefited me financially more than at least a dozen of the courses I took in college.
 
2014-07-26 02:10:05 PM  
If you are paying full price for golf, you are doing it wrong.
 
2014-07-26 02:11:12 PM  
The reason for golfs decline is that courses frown upon BYOB.
 
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