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(Politico)   "Political shakeup looms in California," which in real terms means more of the same   (politico.com) divider line 24
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2014-07-26 08:26:43 AM  
As long as they still have the ludicrous proposition system (and Prop 13 in particular remains in place) California will stumble from crisis to crisis. The party in charge is irrelevant because the legislature is toothless. Nationally they are almost universally Democratic so in the end the only thing that will change is that their representatives won't be close to positions of power for a few years.

As you said, subby, it's just more of the same.
 
2014-07-26 09:34:34 AM  
So... someone at Politico noticed that there are a lot of septuagenarian Democrats in California politics and so he writes an piece on how younger Dems inevitably stepping up into the shoes of people like Jerry Brown, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi will be some kind of political earthquake and how this earth shattering event is already happening if you count Pete Stark's 2012 Primary loss.

Well, okay then.
 
2014-07-26 10:05:10 AM  
fta "In this race, me versus Jerry Brown, the Republican is 40 years old, a brown guy, a son of immigrants. The Democrat is the old white guy [who] inherited millions of dollars from his rich, powerful father," Kashkari said.

Brown isn't going to win in November because he's an old white guy, Kashkari. He's going to win because people like his policies and the job he's doing. And you aren't going to lose because you're young and brown, Kashkari. You're going to lose because people don't like your party's old and busted supply-side, deregulate-all-the-things platform.
 
2014-07-26 10:50:57 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: As long as they still have the ludicrous proposition system (and Prop 13 in particular remains in place) California will stumble from crisis to crisis. The party in charge is irrelevant because the legislature is toothless. Nationally they are almost universally Democratic so in the end the only thing that will change is that their representatives won't be close to positions of power for a few years.

As you said, subby, it's just more of the same.


What crises are you talking about? The draught's bad but the state's been through it before. I mean, I live here and I pay attention to state politics but I have no idea what you mean. I'm ever so thankful that the Dems run this state, and not derp.
 
2014-07-26 11:09:24 AM  
The more things change the more they stay the same
 
2014-07-26 12:09:16 PM  

raerae1980: Adolf Oliver Nipples: As long as they still have the ludicrous proposition system (and Prop 13 in particular remains in place) California will stumble from crisis to crisis. The party in charge is irrelevant because the legislature is toothless. Nationally they are almost universally Democratic so in the end the only thing that will change is that their representatives won't be close to positions of power for a few years.

As you said, subby, it's just more of the same.

What crises are you talking about? The draught's bad but the state's been through it before. I mean, I live here and I pay attention to state politics but I have no idea what you mean. I'm ever so thankful that the Dems run this state, and not derp.


Yeah, it was easy to miss. Especially for someone who "pays attention to state politics". Is there nothing that rose-colored glasses can't make invisible to you guys?
 
2014-07-26 12:14:35 PM  
So they replace the older reps with younger ones.  Also old news is so exciting.
 
2014-07-26 12:27:03 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: raerae1980: Adolf Oliver Nipples: As long as they still have the ludicrous proposition system (and Prop 13 in particular remains in place) California will stumble from crisis to crisis. The party in charge is irrelevant because the legislature is toothless. Nationally they are almost universally Democratic so in the end the only thing that will change is that their representatives won't be close to positions of power for a few years.

As you said, subby, it's just more of the same.

What crises are you talking about? The draught's bad but the state's been through it before. I mean, I live here and I pay attention to state politics but I have no idea what you mean. I'm ever so thankful that the Dems run this state, and not derp.

Yeah, it was easy to miss. Especially for someone who "pays attention to state politics". Is there nothing that rose-colored glasses can't make invisible to you guys?


That's what you're gonna go with? A Budget crisis that was reversed by our Democratic governor? Jeez...I thought you would have mentioned the problems with our border.
 
2014-07-26 12:33:33 PM  

Notabunny: fta "In this race, me versus Jerry Brown, the Republican is 40 years old, a brown guy, a son of immigrants. The Democrat is the old white guy [who] inherited millions of dollars from his rich, powerful father," Kashkari said.

Brown isn't going to win in November because he's an old white guy, Kashkari. He's going to win because people like his policies and the job he's doing. And you aren't going to lose because you're young and brown, Kashkari. You're going to lose because people don't like your party's old and busted supply-side, deregulate-all-the-things platform.


I was kind of hoping Donnelly would win the primary just for the epic beatdown that would follow

/that guy's a frikkin loon
 
2014-07-26 12:38:39 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Yeah, it was easy to miss. Especially for someone who "pays attention to state politics". Is there nothing that rose-colored glasses can't make invisible to you guys?


You might want to scroll down to Prop 30 and how the state budget currently has a surplus.  Brown is a pretty fiscally conservative governor (considered even more than Reagan was back in the day) so at this point I wouldn't worry about it.  The drought is a bigger problem at the moment which could fark up the agricultural industry here.
 
2014-07-26 01:01:31 PM  

raerae1980: That's what you're gonna go with? A Budget crisis that was reversed by our Democratic governor? Jeez...I thought you would have mentioned the problems with our border.


I didn't knock your Democratic governor, and I didn't hype Republicans. I said that your legislature is toothless and your state is hamstrung by its inability to raise any sort of taxes thanks to your proposition system, which is absurd on its face because with that there's no reason to pay legislators since you've handcuffed them anyway. Given both of those it won't be long until the next fiscal crisis, something that always looms large in California.
 
2014-07-26 01:16:30 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: raerae1980: That's what you're gonna go with? A Budget crisis that was reversed by our Democratic governor? Jeez...I thought you would have mentioned the problems with our border.

I didn't knock your Democratic governor, and I didn't hype Republicans. I said that your legislature is toothless and your state is hamstrung by its inability to raise any sort of taxes thanks to your proposition system, which is absurd on its face because with that there's no reason to pay legislators since you've handcuffed them anyway. Given both of those it won't be long until the next fiscal crisis, something that always looms large in California.


Not a Cali resident but I'm pretty sure there's enough Dem's in legislature that they are above the magic 2/3rds line. Thus Brown getting stuff done.
 
2014-07-26 01:24:39 PM  
Whatever. As long as there are still stupid greedy social conservatives living there, California is still going to be a frustrating stupid place to live.

I mean, Prop 8? And the defeat of proposed recreational marijuana?

But then they keep coming up here to live, grumbling about how they can't afford their 2nd house anymore because liberals.
 
2014-07-26 01:46:01 PM  
Actually the state legislature has more power than a few years ago because now they can enact a budget by majority vote. The only restriction they have is 2/3 for tax raises. But that didn't stop Prop 30. Kamala Harris and John Chiang are my favorites to ascend to top spots, Eric Garcetti is also doing well as mayor of LA so far. Gavin Newsom stinks and the other statewide spots are open seats this year. It's very hard for a state rep or Congressman to get elected statewide in California so look to the statewide office holders.
 
2014-07-26 02:01:49 PM  

Fart_Machine: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Yeah, it was easy to miss. Especially for someone who "pays attention to state politics". Is there nothing that rose-colored glasses can't make invisible to you guys?

You might want to scroll down to Prop 30 and how the state budget currently has a surplus.  Brown is a pretty fiscally conservative governor (considered even more than Reagan was back in the day) so at this point I wouldn't worry about it.  The drought is a bigger problem at the moment which could fark up the agricultural industry here.


Yep.  Brown isn't the problem.  Realistically, he's continued along the same path as Schwarzenegger.  Now, Harris and Newsome are bad news, and the fact that Villaraigosa is even being mentioned is criminal, considering he's more corrupt than a New Jersey Teamsters union leader.

I hope Brown continues to be governor.  I do wish that Boxer, Feinstein, and Pelosi would go away.  At a federal level, they've done nothing for the state for decades.  We continue overpay and under-receive to a government that doesn't give a shiat about what happens west of Iowa.  .
 
2014-07-26 03:58:42 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: raerae1980: Adolf Oliver Nipples: As long as they still have the ludicrous proposition system (and Prop 13 in particular remains in place) California will stumble from crisis to crisis. The party in charge is irrelevant because the legislature is toothless. Nationally they are almost universally Democratic so in the end the only thing that will change is that their representatives won't be close to positions of power for a few years.

As you said, subby, it's just more of the same.

What crises are you talking about? The draught's bad but the state's been through it before. I mean, I live here and I pay attention to state politics but I have no idea what you mean. I'm ever so thankful that the Dems run this state, and not derp.

Yeah, it was easy to miss. Especially for someone who "pays attention to state politics". Is there nothing that rose-colored glasses can't make invisible to you guys?


Good thing Prop 25 was passed to end the non-sense that manufactured that "crisis." From causes section of the article you posted:


Reforms[edit]
Proponents of ending the state's supermajority requirements note that "Since 1980, the California State Legislature has met the June 15 constitutional deadline for sending a budget to the governor only five times (of thirty budget periods). Only ten times has the brokering been done by the July 1 start of the fiscal year."[26] They sponsored California Proposition 25 (2010), a ballot initiative that changes legislative vote requirements to pass a budget, but not tax increases, from two-thirds to a simple majority. California Proposition 25 (2010) was approved in the state's November 2010 general election ballot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9312_California_budget_crisi s# Required_legislative_supermajorities
 
2014-07-26 04:02:02 PM  

but whole: Adolf Oliver Nipples: raerae1980: Adolf Oliver Nipples: As long as they still have the ludicrous proposition system (and Prop 13 in particular remains in place) California will stumble from crisis to crisis. The party in charge is irrelevant because the legislature is toothless. Nationally they are almost universally Democratic so in the end the only thing that will change is that their representatives won't be close to positions of power for a few years.

As you said, subby, it's just more of the same.

What crises are you talking about? The draught's bad but the state's been through it before. I mean, I live here and I pay attention to state politics but I have no idea what you mean. I'm ever so thankful that the Dems run this state, and not derp.

Yeah, it was easy to miss. Especially for someone who "pays attention to state politics". Is there nothing that rose-colored glasses can't make invisible to you guys?

Good thing Prop 25 was passed to end the non-sense that manufactured that "crisis." From causes section of the article you posted:


Reforms[edit]
Proponents of ending the state's supermajority requirements note that "Since 1980, the California State Legislature has met the June 15 constitutional deadline for sending a budget to the governor only five times (of thirty budget periods). Only ten times has the brokering been done by the July 1 start of the fiscal year."[26] They sponsored California Proposition 25 (2010), a ballot initiative that changes legislative vote requirements to pass a budget, but not tax increases, from two-thirds to a simple majority. California Proposition 25 (2010) was approved in the state's November 2010 general election ballot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9312_California_budget_crisi s# Required_legislative_supermajorities


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Notice how the budget crisis was resolved once the two thirds majority requirement was lifted? It's almost as if giving an angry minority party the ability to obstruct any attempt at correcting the state budget wasn't such a great idea. The US congress could take a lesson from California in this regard. The budget can be balanced when artificial crises are avoided.
 
2014-07-26 07:53:29 PM  
Longtime Democratic consultant Garry South called it "ironic" that in a state "viewed as a hip trendsetter for the rest of the nation, we've got this cast of septuagenarians and octogenarians."

Ironic? No.
 
2014-07-26 08:46:56 PM  

bhcompy: Realistically, he's continued along the same path as Schwarzenegger.


Uh not really.  I don't hate Arnold for trying but he was really clueless on how the Legislature works.  He also made some terrible decisions such as lowering vehicle licensing fees which came back to bite us on the ass when the recession hit and listening to the state GOP with a raft of stupid ballot initiatives.
 
2014-07-26 09:25:01 PM  

Fart_Machine: bhcompy: Realistically, he's continued along the same path as Schwarzenegger.

Uh not really.  I don't hate Arnold for trying but he was really clueless on how the Legislature works.  He also made some terrible decisions such as lowering vehicle licensing fees which came back to bite us on the ass when the recession hit and listening to the state GOP with a raft of stupid ballot initiatives.


He raised taxes more than any other governor in the state in living memory, and he drove a sensible approach to spending money, which Brown has continued to do.  This is his most important legacy for the state.  Brown recognizes this, and since Brown has a D next to his name, it's easier for him to get the legislature to buy in.  Don't forget that Brown has vetoed Democratic spending bills and budgets because of spending.  Neither governor was afraid of telling their party mates, or those across the aisle, that they need to follow him and not the other way around.

Now, as far as the VLF, he had to lower it.  It was the #2 reason Gray Davis was tossed out on his ass(number one being he squandered a massive surplus and handicapped the state for a decade by increasing guaranteed general fund spending dramatically, number 3 being the energy crisis and his reaction to it).  It doesn't matter who came in office, the VLF was getting lowered, otherwise you were being recalled.
 
2014-07-27 02:26:27 AM  
Dear God, if that preening, inarticulate imbecile Antonio Villaraigosa ever gets elected to anything again, I'll know California is truely beyond redemption.
 
2014-07-27 02:36:58 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: raerae1980: That's what you're gonna go with? A Budget crisis that was reversed by our Democratic governor? Jeez...I thought you would have mentioned the problems with our border.

I didn't knock your Democratic governor, and I didn't hype Republicans. I said that your legislature is toothless and your state is hamstrung by its inability to raise any sort of taxes thanks to your proposition system, which is absurd on its face because with that there's no reason to pay legislators since you've handcuffed them anyway. Given both of those it won't be long until the next fiscal crisis, something that always looms large in California.


What are you talking about? We just had a big tax increase in 2012. Via the proposition system, by the way. Not that we needed it that badly, since this state has the highest or near highest tax rates in virtually all categories (prop tax being the exception thanks to prop 13).
 
2014-07-27 04:46:26 AM  

whidbey: Whatever. As long as there are still stupid greedy social conservatives living there, California is still going to be a frustrating stupid place to live.

I mean, Prop 8? And the defeat of proposed recreational marijuana?

But then they keep coming up here to live, grumbling about how they can't afford their 2nd house anymore because liberals.


I'm glad the recreational bill was shot down, it was poorly crafted. I'm stoked that Colorado and Washington (to a lesser extent) were the beta tests for legal recreational and I fully believe if we draft a bill similar to Colorado's that it will be legal in 2016. It should also be noted the marijuana bill was done during the midterm elections, so a more conservative turnout voted. I also know a lot of pro weed people who are against the bill as well. Anyways, I'll be happy when the old fogeys make way for the young guns, since both our senators and our governor are against weed and supported SOPA/PIPA. Brown is doing a good job though, so I'm not too mad.
 
2014-07-27 10:44:15 AM  

bhcompy: Brown recognizes this, and since Brown has a D next to his name, it's easier for him to get the legislature to buy in.


Uh, the biggest problem with the budget was solved by Prop 30.  Arnold's beef wasn't with Democrats; it was with his own party who wouldn't pass anything.  It didn't help that he was a complete neophyte when it came to dealing with them.
 
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