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(Mother Jones)   Halliburton spills fracking fluids, causing fire, explosions, shrapnel, and miles of dead fish. When asked why they didn't tell the EPA exactly what it was they had just dumped into people's drinking water: "They didn't ask"   (motherjones.com) divider line 111
    More: Scary, Halliburton, Ohio, Ohio Department of Natural Resources, fracking, chemical accident, Statoil, Ohio River, waterways  
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2014-07-25 05:34:08 PM  
Once the spill reached water, they were required (by law) to call the National Response Center (NRC) within 1 hour to report the spill.
 
2014-07-25 06:07:36 PM  
Greg Abbott in Texas would agree with Halliburton's position.
 
2014-07-25 06:54:03 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Once the spill reached water, they were required (by law) to call the National Response Center (NRC) within 1 hour to report the spill.


Report that something had been spilled, yes.  Report what had been spilled, no.
Or at the very most they were required to report what possibly could have been spilled, in which case they simply handed every MSDS sheet known to God to emergency responders and say "It's one of these".
 
2014-07-25 07:50:34 PM  
Time to execute a corporation.
 
2014-07-25 07:51:07 PM  
Sounds like they need more tax breaks and less regulations to fix this problem
 
2014-07-25 07:52:36 PM  
This clearly happened because of too much regulation and regulatory agencies with too much funding, power and staff.
 
2014-07-25 07:54:44 PM  
You libs need to calm down.  You need to wait until ALL of the facts have been established.  For instance, have we ruled out ELF sabotage?
 
2014-07-25 07:55:50 PM  
but, but, according to the radio spots they run every freakin 10 minutes in Colorado, it's all good.  It's 99.5% water and sand (don't worry about that .5%).  It's all rainbows and unicorns because jobs and money.
 
2014-07-25 07:58:15 PM  
Again, an illumination of the tragedy of the commons.
 
2014-07-25 07:58:39 PM  
The more regulations are loosened the more the corporations (and their volunteer army of Tea Partiers) shriek about how they're being strangled by regulation.
 
2014-07-25 08:00:33 PM  
I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..
 
2014-07-25 08:06:20 PM  

Ika7734: but, but, according to the radio spots they run every freakin 10 minutes in Colorado, it's all good.  It's 99.5% water and sand (don't worry about that .5%).  It's all rainbows and unicorns because jobs and money.


You should see the pro-pipeline TV ads that Enbridge runs up here trying to convince British Columbia that the Northern Gateway project is a good thing.  Based on their imagery, I assume the pipeline they want to build is for transporting orcas, cedars, dolphins, puppies and babies.  Oh yeah, and jobs and money for everyone!

Not convinced yet?  What if you found out they had incorporated the image of a leaf into their logo?

valley.countryfm.ca

How much more convincing do I need?
 
2014-07-25 08:07:59 PM  

2wolves: I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..


and I'm afraid that's what it's going to take for people to say 'hey now, wait just a gosh darn minute'
 
2014-07-25 08:08:23 PM  
The fact that there is a law requiring them to report the spill and they didn't report it is proof that this law is pointless. They feel bad enough about the dead fish that they will self correct.
 
2014-07-25 08:11:35 PM  
Did they get a no bid contract to clean it up?
 
2014-07-25 08:11:44 PM  
Ohio state officials maintain that the river water is safe to drink

Does anyone want to make a bet on the truth of that assertion?
 
2014-07-25 08:13:12 PM  

sugardave: You libs need to calm down.  You need to wait until ALL of the facts have been established.  For instance, have we ruled out ELF sabotage?


No. What does that have to do with them not reporting it?
 
2014-07-25 08:13:17 PM  
Halliburton is the corporate incarnation of Dick Cheney

/pure, unadulterated malice and evil
 
2014-07-25 08:15:15 PM  

BSABSVR: The fact that there is a law requiring them to report the spill and they didn't report it is proof that this law is pointless. They feel bad enough about the dead fish that they will self correct.


they reported it

the problem is that they didn't say what was in it, which prevented a timely response/control

sugardave: You libs need to calm down.  You need to wait until ALL of the facts have been established.  For instance, have we ruled out ELF sabotage?


i'm thinking TerraFirst!
 
2014-07-25 08:16:07 PM  

dinch: sugardave: You libs need to calm down.  You need to wait until ALL of the facts have been established.  For instance, have we ruled out ELF sabotage?

No. What does that have to do with them not reporting it?


I'm just saying that this is the typical scenario liberals love to fantasize about occurring when they're vilifying decent corporate citizens.  Surely, you must agree, ELF framing Halliburton is far more likely than Halliburton actually breaking the law?
 
2014-07-25 08:16:16 PM  

2wolves: I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..


What happened in West Virginia wasn't enough?

No, it really wasn't, I guess.
 
2014-07-25 08:16:30 PM  
That's so obviously a crooked lawyer talking, it brings a tear to my eye.
 
2014-07-25 08:17:25 PM  

sugardave: dinch: sugardave: You libs need to calm down.  You need to wait until ALL of the facts have been established.  For instance, have we ruled out ELF sabotage?

No. What does that have to do with them not reporting it?

I'm just saying that this is the typical scenario liberals love to fantasize about occurring when they're vilifying decent corporate citizens.  Surely, you must agree, ELF framing Halliburton is far more likely than Halliburton actually breaking the law?


No, not after what they did in Iraq.
 
2014-07-25 08:19:53 PM  

sugardave: You libs need to calm down.  You need to wait until ALL of the facts have been established.  For instance, have we ruled out ELF sabotage?


www.influencia.net
 
2014-07-25 08:24:36 PM  

Mugato: Did they get a no bid contract to clean it up?


in a sense

the cwa lets the feds bill the spiller for all costs incurred
 
2014-07-25 08:27:14 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Ika7734: but, but, according to the radio spots they run every freakin 10 minutes in Colorado, it's all good.  It's 99.5% water and sand (don't worry about that .5%).  It's all rainbows and unicorns because jobs and money.

You should see the pro-pipeline TV ads that Enbridge runs up here trying to convince British Columbia that the Northern Gateway project is a good thing.  Based on their imagery, I assume the pipeline they want to build is for transporting orcas, cedars, dolphins, puppies and babies.  Oh yeah, and jobs and money for everyone!

Not convinced yet?  What if you found out they had incorporated the image of a leaf into their logo?

[valley.countryfm.ca image 239x232]

How much more convincing do I need?


they just played a commercial here (Detroit area) talking about much cleaner the Kalamazoo River is and how much stronger the community is (since they spilled oil in it 3 years ago). Luckily we're not buying too Mich of their bullsh*t and are getting on them about their 60 year old pipeline that runs through the f*cking Strait  of Mackinac
 
2014-07-25 08:39:14 PM  
Thousands of gallons of diesel fuel, gasoline, antifreeze, battery fluids, and other crap, and they're worried about the fracking fluids? Sheesh. There were probably a couple of tanks holding a few thousand gallons of diesel fuel just to run the drilling rig itself.
 
2014-07-25 08:44:07 PM  

2wolves: I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..


The sad part is that a Bhophal won't change the GOP/Tea Party's mind. They can't feel empathy, they only know what happens directly to them. So a PA river spill and dead fish everywhere means nothing in Mississippi. And a coal waste flood in West Virginia means nothing to them in South Dakota. Thousands dead in New Orleans "heh don't build below sea level."
 
2014-07-25 08:48:53 PM  

cirby: Thousands of gallons of diesel fuel, gasoline, antifreeze, battery fluids, and other crap, and they're worried about the fracking fluids? Sheesh. There were probably a couple of tanks holding a few thousand gallons of diesel fuel just to run the drilling rig itself.


Well, how much of the spill was fracking fluids?  What's that, you don't know?  That's the point.
 
2014-07-25 08:50:01 PM  

Karac: in which case they simply handed every MSDS sheet known to God to emergency responders and say "It's one of these".


And this is what boggles my mind. I used to work for a paint manufacturer (who, at various points, also did commodity chemicals). 95% of our software was all about being able to properly document the MSDS and SHIS data for our products. In the event of any kind of spill, we had someone who could quickly tell spill response  exactlywhat had just happened and what needed to be done to fix it. We didn't do this because we were nice corporate citizens, but because we were meeting regulations.

I just don't understand how fracking has escaped these basic sorts of regulation.
 
2014-07-25 08:54:01 PM  

sugardave: You libs need to calm down.  You need to wait until ALL of the facts have been established.  For instance, have we ruled out ELF sabotage?


Ronnie James Dio's original band sabotaged a fracking site? I swore they broke up when he joined Richie Blackmore's Rainbow.

Farking hippy terrorists.
 
2014-07-25 08:54:10 PM  
I've been assured that a market unencumbered by regulation would easily remedy this problem.
 
2014-07-25 09:02:24 PM  

t3knomanser: Karac: in which case they simply handed every MSDS sheet known to God to emergency responders and say "It's one of these".

And this is what boggles my mind. I used to work for a paint manufacturer (who, at various points, also did commodity chemicals). 95% of our software was all about being able to properly document the MSDS and SHIS data for our products. In the event of any kind of spill, we had someone who could quickly tell spill response  exactlywhat had just happened and what needed to be done to fix it. We didn't do this because we were nice corporate citizens, but because we were meeting regulations.

I just don't understand how fracking has escaped these basic sorts of regulation.


K Street
 
2014-07-25 09:03:18 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Ika7734: but, but, according to the radio spots they run every freakin 10 minutes in Colorado, it's all good.  It's 99.5% water and sand (don't worry about that .5%).  It's all rainbows and unicorns because jobs and money.

You should see the pro-pipeline TV ads that Enbridge runs up here trying to convince British Columbia that the Northern Gateway project is a good thing.  Based on their imagery, I assume the pipeline they want to build is for transporting orcas, cedars, dolphins, puppies and babies.  Oh yeah, and jobs and money for everyone!

Not convinced yet?  What if you found out they had incorporated the image of a leaf into their logo?

[valley.countryfm.ca image 239x232]

How much more convincing do I need?


I love how they use Green in that image.   North of Seattle, there is a group trying to put in a coal terminal, and all the "pro" signs are using green letters and logos.
 
2014-07-25 09:04:02 PM  

ultraholland: I've been assured that a market unencumbered by regulation would easily remedy this problem.


Hey, if you don't like Halliburton's practices, just don't buy their products. The market will decide!
 
2014-07-25 09:14:51 PM  

2wolves: I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..


A Bhopal disaster happening in the US would produce change somewhere in the amount of between jack and shiat.

Take a look at who went to jail for Bhopal - seven local Indians ranging from a non-executive chairman to a few mid-level managers.  They were all released on bail immediately after the verdict.  And just getting that much of a result took a quarter century.

The quarter of a million victims weren't even allowed to sue for damages in a US court.  The Indian courts hit UC with a $470 million fine.  In 2004 a guy went on the BBC and did a hoax saying that Dow Chemical (which had bought Union Carbide) was going to clean up the site and compensate for victims.  That announcement caused Dow's stock value to drop by $2 billion dollars.

Do you really think Halliburton will take proper safety precautions and own up to their mistakes when courts are so ineffectual that an internet hoax can do four times as much damage to them as any judge?
 
2014-07-25 09:27:18 PM  
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That's Dick juice!
 
2014-07-25 09:28:15 PM  

SilentStrider: 2wolves: I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..

What happened in West,  Virginia Texaswasn't enough?

No, it really wasn't, I guess.


FTFY. A plant literally exploded because a corporate jackass cut corners, and not a damn thing changed.

Republicans wouldn't care if the entire United States was covered in industrial waste, as long as corporations profited from it. Hell, a not-insignificant number of 'em would cheer because they "stuck it to the libs".
 
2014-07-25 09:30:36 PM  

2wolves: Time to execute a corporation.


Came to post something along these lines.  You can't skip due process though.  They should taze and farking hog tie the corporation and put the whole thing in jail with no bail.  One phone call etc... etc...
 
2014-07-25 09:32:16 PM  

LordJiro: SilentStrider: 2wolves: I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..

What happened in West,  Virginia Texaswasn't enough?

No, it really wasn't, I guess.

FTFY. A plant literally exploded because a corporate jackass cut corners, and not a damn thing changed.

Republicans wouldn't care if the entire United States was covered in industrial waste, as long as corporations profited from it. Hell, a not-insignificant number of 'em would cheer because they "stuck it to the libs".


Can we start a media campaign saying that we really don't want these conservitards drinking industrial waste because we're terrified they'll gain superpowers?  I'd expect within about a week we could chuck all the corpses in that nuclear waste facility they were building in a mountain and call it a win.
 
2014-07-25 09:36:04 PM  

2wolves: I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..


i2.cdn.turner.com
It won't change anything.
 
2014-07-25 09:36:05 PM  
Mithiwithi:
Well, how much of the spill was fracking fluids? What's that, you don't know? That's the point.

"According to a preliminary EPA inquiry, more than 25,000 gallons of chemicals, diesel fuel, and other compounds were released during the accident,"

Here's the thing: fracking chemicals aren't as bad as straight diesel fuel. For the most part, fracking fluid itself is basically mud plus a percent or two of added chemicals, with the worst of those being stuff like bleach.

A lot of those added chemicals are delivered as solids, to boot, so they're mostly sitting there in metal containers, or in piles on the ground. So the ACTUAL point is that they're pretending that it's a huge "fracking disaster," when it's really mostly a huge diesel fuel and gasoline fire.

The hilarious part is where the author writes that the authorities "began scouring a list of chemicals Halliburton had provided them for a compound that might be triggering the die off." Here's a clue: it was the fuel and debris from the 20 burning trucks.

A couple of thousand gallons of diesel and fire byproducts from those trucks alone would certainly cause a fish die-off. You don't need the mystical dark powers of "secret fracking chemicals" to explain that one. For that matter, you get similar fish deaths with plain old wildfires...
 
2014-07-25 09:37:36 PM  

t3knomanser: I just don't understand how fracking has escaped these basic sorts of regulation.


Because Jesus.
 
2014-07-25 09:42:36 PM  

2wolves: I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..


You're part of the problem.
 
2014-07-25 09:42:49 PM  

theorellior: Again, an illumination of the tragedy of the commons.


This is not the tragedy of the commons. This is corporate thuggery writing laws that say "we don't have to follow any laws."
 
2014-07-25 09:43:19 PM  
Well if it had happened in North Carolina they could have said "I'm sorry it's against the law to tell you."
 
2014-07-25 09:44:20 PM  

cirby: Mithiwithi:
Well, how much of the spill was fracking fluids? What's that, you don't know? That's the point.

"According to a preliminary EPA inquiry, more than 25,000 gallons of chemicals, diesel fuel, and other compounds were released during the accident,"

Here's the thing: fracking chemicals aren't as bad as straight diesel fuel. For the most part, fracking fluid itself is basically mud plus a percent or two of added chemicals, with the worst of those being stuff like bleach.

A lot of those added chemicals are delivered as solids, to boot, so they're mostly sitting there in metal containers, or in piles on the ground. So the ACTUAL point is that they're pretending that it's a huge "fracking disaster," when it's really mostly a huge diesel fuel and gasoline fire.

The hilarious part is where the author writes that the authorities "began scouring a list of chemicals Halliburton had provided them for a compound that might be triggering the die off." Here's a clue: it was the fuel and debris from the 20 burning trucks.

A couple of thousand gallons of diesel and fire byproducts from those trucks alone would certainly cause a fish die-off. You don't need the mystical dark powers of "secret fracking chemicals" to explain that one. For that matter, you get similar fish deaths with plain old wildfires...


How do you know?

Fracking fluid contains exactly blank.

Some compounds are dangerous at extremely low dosages.
 
2014-07-25 09:48:06 PM  

cirby: Here's the thing: fracking chemicals aren't as bad as straight diesel fuel. For the most part, fracking fluid itself is basically mud plus a percent or two of added chemicals, with the worst of those being stuff like bleach.


So you work for the natural gas extraction industry, then? Won't you get in trouble for posting trade secrets on the Internet?
 
2014-07-25 09:50:02 PM  

LordJiro: SilentStrider: 2wolves: I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..

What happened in West,  Virginia Texaswasn't enough?

No, it really wasn't, I guess.

FTFY. A plant literally exploded because a corporate jackass cut corners, and not a damn thing changed.

Republicans wouldn't care if the entire United States was covered in industrial waste, as long as corporations profited from it. Hell, a not-insignificant number of 'em would cheer because they "stuck it to the libs".


You don't say...?

static2.businessinsider.com
 
2014-07-25 09:51:12 PM  

SilentStrider: 2wolves: I can't wait for a Bhopal to happen in the U.S..

What happened in West Virginia wasn't enough?

No, it really wasn't, I guess.


Go read up on the Bhopal disaster.  It made West Virginia look like someone spilled some milk.
 
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