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(The New York Times)   Profiles of some of the victims of MH17 will make the room dusty   (nytimes.com) divider line 47
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2014-07-25 03:47:07 PM  
Appreciate the NYT making the loss of all those people over such cold-blooded stupidity that much more real to us all.

/F**king Russian bastards.
 
2014-07-25 03:50:21 PM  
A friend of my wife works for the Australian consulate in the city.  They had the largest group of citizens lost in the crash. Their foreign minister was in the Ukraine to receive the bodies the other day.

It's been rough.
 
2014-07-25 04:08:05 PM  
A very sad list.
My company lost two workers and their families on that flight.
 
2014-07-25 04:17:55 PM  
Sanjid Singh Sandhu, 41
Flight steward - Malaysia
Mr. Sandhu, an ethnic Indian, hadn't been scheduled to work Flight 17 until he switched shifts with another flight steward, according to Malaysian news media. Mr. Sandhu went by the nickname "Bobby," given to him in the 1970s by a nanny who liked the hit Bollywood movie of the same name, his father, Jijar Singh said. He was supposed to visit his parents after the flight landed and his mother had prepared all of his favorite dishes, the father said. A last-minute swap in March had saved Mr. Sandhu's wife, who is a Malaysia Airlines stewardess, from duty on the Flight 370 that disappeared on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Mr. Singh said his grandson, Mr. Sandhu's 10-year-old son Hans, told him, "Dadaji, don't be sad. Your son is gone, but this son is here. I will take care of you all."



Wow... fate had it in for that family, one way or another.
 
2014-07-25 04:34:06 PM  

James!: A friend of my wife works for the Australian consulate in the city.  They had the largest group of citizens lost in the crash. Their foreign minister was in the Ukraine to receive the bodies the other day.

It's been rough.


Not sure if it was him or not, but I saw one Australian being interviewed after the first bodies were arriving who said something to the effect of as the caskets kept arriving, one after another I'd wonder "Is this one Australian?" then  I realized they're all Australian.  They're all Dutch.  They're all all of the other nations involved.  He said it far more eloquently than I can remember

I do think that the Netherlands has done a fantastic job of treating the remains with the respect and dignity they deserve.  I noticed at the ceremony they had a flag from each nation who lost someone, I thought that was a nice touch, very thoughtful.
 
2014-07-25 05:45:36 PM  
Why would I want to see profiles of dead people?
 
2014-07-25 05:51:16 PM  
So will the bodies.
 
2014-07-25 05:54:23 PM  
Yeah, ok, sad...

But, on the other hand...

If you need an apartment or a job in Holland...

Now might be a good time to try.
 
2014-07-25 05:54:57 PM  
I'm sorry, I don't feel like the room is "dusty" (by the way, it's time to retire that over-used saying).

When I read those profiles, the more angry I get at Vladimir Putin and the feeling that, in the long run, he will get away with this.
 
2014-07-25 05:59:21 PM  
It is sad seeing whole families wiped out.
 
2014-07-25 06:00:03 PM  

macross87: Why would I want to see profiles of dead people?


Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Yeah, ok, sad...

But, on the other hand...

If you need an apartment or a job in Holland...

Now might be a good time to try.


Thanks. For a moment there I thought something had happened to Fark, some strange disturbance in the force, like I had been transported to a kinder, gentler universe.
 
2014-07-25 06:02:22 PM  

worlddan: macross87: Why would I want to see profiles of dead people?

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Yeah, ok, sad...

But, on the other hand...

If you need an apartment or a job in Holland...

Now might be a good time to try.

Thanks. For a moment there I thought something had happened to Fark, some strange disturbance in the force, like I had been transported to a kinder, gentler universe.


After all, where would we be without our daily Designated Assholes?
 
2014-07-25 06:02:24 PM  

AirForceVet: Appreciate the NYT making the loss of all those people over such cold-blooded stupidity that much more real to us all.

/F**king Russian bastards.


It is tragic when white people die.

Meanwhile, in Gaza, dead children at the UN building, but no one cares, because, y'know, brown people.
 
2014-07-25 06:02:45 PM  

abhorrent1: It is sad seeing whole families wiped out.


The couple with the 1yr old...
Damn.
 
2014-07-25 06:03:03 PM  
Wonderful people die every day, and so do absolute sons of biatches.

They die from cigarettes and drunk driving.  Plain-old old age.  Cancer.  Suicide.   They die suddenly or after lingering for decades.  They die at home.  In operating rooms.  In anonymous hotel rooms, and even at work.  Some die in the defense of others, other die at the hands of the State.

I feel bad for all of them.  I understand why we need to make special note of these people, but it's not going to change anything, and all their deaths will bring is even more death.
 
2014-07-25 06:04:05 PM  
First they give thugs an advanced missile system, but no command/control to verify what they're shooting.
Now, Pooty-Poot is so remorseful, he's firing artillery from Russian soil to Ukraine, daring the Ukraines to fly into Russia.

fark Putin in the eye with a fork.
 
2014-07-25 06:05:37 PM  
a program officer in Amsterdam for Amnesty International

was working on a research project that had the potential to help cancer patients and people suffering from Alzheimer's disease

worked in the field of infectious diseases since the early years of the AIDS epidemic and had focused his efforts on making treatments cheaper in poor nations in Asia and Africa

a National Book Award for Fiction for his novel "Soundings"

had taught thousands of students in the more than 30 years she was involved with the school

wanted to help find a cure for cancer and had been studying at the Iuliu Hatieganu University of Medicine and Pharmacy in Romania

/World lost a lot of good ones
 
2014-07-25 06:06:38 PM  
Lives wasted and Russia decides to begin bombarding Ukraine as if to say, "meh, no skin off our noses."
 
2014-07-25 06:12:42 PM  

orezona: abhorrent1: It is sad seeing whole families wiped out.

The couple with the 1yr old...
Damn.


That's where I stopped looking. *sniffle*
 
2014-07-25 06:13:26 PM  
Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks America. Or are we ignoring Iran Air Flight 655.
 
2014-07-25 06:15:08 PM  
Seems like 2014 is the year of collateral damage.
 
2014-07-25 06:21:41 PM  

Korzine: Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks America. Or are we ignoring Iran Air Flight 655.


No, we're just ignoring idiots
like yourself
 
2014-07-25 06:30:13 PM  
All gone so that a few alcoholic, out-of-work coal miners could play army in the service of a Machiavellian despot wannabe
 
2014-07-25 06:33:35 PM  
I always find it amazing how an asshole, whom no one ever gave a shiat about, never dies in a tragedy. If you're ever on a plane with an insufferable jerk, take a nap and rest assured you'll arrive safely.
 
2014-07-25 06:36:33 PM  

Ed Grubermann: worlddan: macross87: Why would I want to see profiles of dead people?

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Yeah, ok, sad...

But, on the other hand...

If you need an apartment or a job in Holland...

Now might be a good time to try.

Thanks. For a moment there I thought something had happened to Fark, some strange disturbance in the force, like I had been transported to a kinder, gentler universe.

After all, where would we be without our daily Designated Assholes?


I give up, where?
 
2014-07-25 06:47:05 PM  

The Repeated Meme: AirForceVet: Appreciate the NYT making the loss of all those people over such cold-blooded stupidity that much more real to us all.

/F**king Russian bastards.

It is tragic when white people die.

Meanwhile, in Gaza, dead children at the UN building, but no one cares, because, y'know, brown people.


Know how I know that you didn't read the article?
 
2014-07-25 06:49:29 PM  

abhorrent1: It is sad seeing whole families wiped out.


Nick Norris, 68; Mo, 12; Evie, 10; and Otis Maslin, 8
Australia
 
http://www.scmp.com/article/1558938/three-children-killed-mh17-trage dy -grew-hong-kong

www.scmp.com

The Maslin kids were onboard with their grandfather, Nick Norris. Parents decided to stay on a little longer in Holland and survived. The link has a letter written by them expressing their pain. It's heartbreaking.
 
2014-07-25 06:50:58 PM  

macross87: Why would I want to see profiles of dead people?


Same reason I sometimes visit the politics tab to see the soul-less people.
 
2014-07-25 06:53:49 PM  

zerkalo: All gone so that a few alcoholic, out-of-work coal miners could play army in the service of a Machiavellian despot wannabe


Putin wishes he could be Machiavellian. He's just another tin pot dictator, only with a nuclear arsenal behind him.
 
2014-07-25 06:55:33 PM  

LessO2: I'm sorry, I don't feel like the room is "dusty" (by the way, it's time to retire that over-used saying).



You have your choice of pepper spray, chopped onions, or a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

/Wow, a lot of flashbulbs went off all at once.
 
2014-07-25 06:55:43 PM  

The Repeated Meme: AirForceVet: Appreciate the NYT making the loss of all those people over such cold-blooded stupidity that much more real to us all.

/F**king Russian bastards.

It is tragic when white people die.

Meanwhile, in Gaza, dead children at the UN building, but no one cares, because, y'know, brown people.


/meanwhile in Israel, rockets are falling on civilians who want nothing but to be left alone. these rockets are fired by ultra right wing derp spewing islamic funides, who fire their missiles from residential neighborhoods  in Gaza, and make sure to film the return strike from Israel and say "Look at how terrible Israel is...they are bombing CHILDREN".
 
2014-07-25 07:10:48 PM  

macross87: Why would I want to see profiles of dead people?


Empathy.

It's a human thing.

You wouldn't understand.
 
2014-07-25 07:14:12 PM  

GungFu: abhorrent1: It is sad seeing whole families wiped out.

Nick Norris, 68; Mo, 12; Evie, 10; and Otis Maslin, 8
Australia
 
http://www.scmp.com/article/1558938/three-children-killed-mh17-trage dy -grew-hong-kong

[www.scmp.com image 486x302]

The Maslin kids were onboard with their grandfather, Nick Norris. Parents decided to stay on a little longer in Holland and survived. The link has a letter written by them expressing their pain. It's heartbreaking.


Utterly heartbreaking :(
 
2014-07-25 07:24:28 PM  

zerkalo: All gone so that a few alcoholic, out-of-work coal miners could play army in the service of a Machiavellian despot wannabe


You have to wonder what Putin thinks when he looks into the object that is your username.
 
2014-07-25 07:28:52 PM  
The whole thing is very sad, and speaks of man's inhumanity to men. And not only the cold blooded murder of all those innocent people, but the "after the fact" looting of their luggage for fun and profit. It takes a special kind of asshole to do something so cold.
 
2014-07-25 07:33:43 PM  

towatchoverme: macross87: Why would I want to see profiles of dead people?

Empathy.

It's a human thing.

You wouldn't understand.


So, you wouldn't mind if I place dibs on their stuff then. Cool!
 
2014-07-25 07:48:17 PM  

GungFu: abhorrent1: It is sad seeing whole families wiped out.

Nick Norris, 68; Mo, 12; Evie, 10; and Otis Maslin, 8
Australia
 
http://www.scmp.com/article/1558938/three-children-killed-mh17-trage dy -grew-hong-kong

[www.scmp.com image 486x302]

The Maslin kids were onboard with their grandfather, Nick Norris. Parents decided to stay on a little longer in Holland and survived. The link has a letter written by them expressing their pain. It's heartbreaking.


Jesus
 
2014-07-25 07:56:29 PM  
To anyone trying to score points for their worldview by claiming we are deliberately ignoring all the other injustices in the world: shut the fark up. It is possible to pause to consider one loss without forgetting the others. If you have a problem with this article and thread you are free to put one of your own in the queue.

/welcome to fark, assholes
 
2014-07-25 07:59:12 PM  
Ban anti-aircraft missiles!
 
2014-07-25 08:03:32 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: Ban anti-aircraft missiles!


Anti-aircraft missiles don't shoot down airliners.  People manning the missiles do.

/oblig
//going to hell
 
2014-07-25 08:30:42 PM  
No. No they don't.
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-25 11:00:21 PM  

GungFu: abhorrent1: It is sad seeing whole families wiped out.

Nick Norris, 68; Mo, 12; Evie, 10; and Otis Maslin, 8
Australia
 
http://www.scmp.com/article/1558938/three-children-killed-mh17-trage dy -grew-hong-kong

[www.scmp.com image 486x302]

The Maslin kids were onboard with their grandfather, Nick Norris. Parents decided to stay on a little longer in Holland and survived. The link has a letter written by them expressing their pain. It's heartbreaking.


This one made me cry. I think that if all my children have to die that I would want to just die with them.
 
2014-07-26 03:56:20 AM  
They missed one of the saddest cases.  A Vietnamese-Dutch woman and her two children died as well. Although it isn't mentioned, they were on their to Vietnam to participate in a buddhist ceremony for the 1st anniversary of the father's passing away who died in a train-accident exactly one year ago. 

http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/mh17-passengers-include-vietnam bo rn-mother-two-children-28815.html

One of the things coming from this crash is the realisation how small and closely connected our country. Almost everybody I know, was somehow connected to someone on the crash.  I knew the restaurant owner mentioned in the article personally, my girlfriend knew the Vietnamese family and one victim taught at the same university as I do. I didn't know him but I will sure must have passed him sometime in the hall.
 
2014-07-26 05:37:34 AM  

Great_Milenko: Wonderful people die every day, and so do absolute sons of biatches.

They die from cigarettes and drunk driving.  Plain-old old age.  Cancer.  Suicide.   They die suddenly or after lingering for decades.  They die at home.  In operating rooms.  In anonymous hotel rooms, and even at work.  Some die in the defense of others, other die at the hands of the State.

I feel bad for all of them.  I understand why we need to make special note of these people, but it's not going to change anything, and all their deaths will bring is even more death.


And that's the problem, isn't it?

No one--and I mean no one in the entire farking world--will stand up to Russia and Putin. No one.

Vlad thinks he can get away with it because he can. Because the "leaders" of the world let him. There is a cure for that, but it's illegal. Not necessarily immoral in this case, but that can be a fine line sometimes.
 
2014-07-26 06:45:07 AM  

Aigoo: And that's the problem, isn't it?

No one--and I mean no one in the entire farking world--will stand up to Russia and Putin. No one.

Vlad thinks he can get away with it because he can. Because the "leaders" of the world let him. There is a cure for that, but it's illegal. Not necessarily immoral in this case, but that can be a fine line sometimes.


That's simply not true.  Everyone is standing up to Putin as much as they can reasonably get away with.  There's only so much you can do to "stand up to" a country/leader who has a vast supply of nuclear weapons.  There are basically three options to "stand up to" Russia:

1) Economic sanctions.  The US is doing this because we get next to nothing from Russia and can easily afford to do it.  The European Union was not sanctioning Russia because they get most of their fuel from there, but many nations have now reversed that and are applying sanctions.  Most of Europe couldn't care less about Ukraine, and for certain they don't want to risk their already unstable economies or their citizen's lives over it.  The only reason they are willing to apply sanctions is because the MH17 incident has pissed off enough people to make it politically viable.

2) Non-nuclear military action.  The US has been the most vocal in this area (McCain et al.), but it isn't feasible for us because we've massively drawn down our presence in Europe and would have to ship troops over, which would take a few weeks at least.  Even if they were there, we'd still need permission/agreement from nearly all of Europe to transport them, ammunition, and supplies to Russia and Ukraine.  The EU doesn't want to do this because nobody (and I mean nobody) wants war at all, let alone with Russia.  The reason they don't is because Russia can easily counter their military with nuclear reprisal.  If they do that, NATO is obligated to respond, and we have a nuclear war.  You'd have to be insane to want to do this.

The only way non-nuclear military action starts is if Russia takes over all of Ukraine and then keeps going west.  I find this highly unlikely, because again, as soon as they did, we'd be into a nuclear confrontation.  Nobody, not even Putin, wants this.

3) Nuclear military action.  US/NATO launch, Russia responds, and we have nuclear war, which again, nobody who's a tenth sane wants.

So I put it to you, what is anyone supposed to do?  How do you stand up to Putin?
 
2014-07-26 03:08:19 PM  

juvandy: How do you stand up to Putin?


Real easy. You just need one good shot. If you miss, he goes into hiding for 6 months, and then you try it again; or perhaps he just needs some good weed.
 
2014-07-26 11:59:49 PM  

xevian: juvandy: How do you stand up to Putin?

Real easy. You just need one good shot. If you miss, he goes into hiding for 6 months, and then you try it again; or perhaps he just needs some good weed.


sure, 'cause assassinating the leader of a highly patriotic/nationalistic yet unstable country with a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons wouldn't have any consequences at all.  riiiiight
 
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