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(The Daily Caller)   IRS Investigators now claim Lois Lerner's hard drive was merely scratched - you know, like your old Alanis Morrisette CD - and then shredded, like a piece of paper, apparently. Because hard drives work like that   (dailycaller.com ) divider line
    More: Ironic, Lois Lerner, computer crashes, House Oversight, data storage device, House Ways and Means Committee  
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2014-07-25 10:20:48 AM  
and then shredded, like a piece of paper, apparently.

www.extremetech.com

It can be done.
 
2014-07-25 10:24:00 AM  
You have them now, Tucker.  Now accuse her of having sex with underage prostitutes.
 
2014-07-25 10:35:51 AM  
Jesus Christ is the Daily Caller uninformed about technology.
 
2014-07-25 10:44:10 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Jesus Christ is the Daily Caller uninformed about technology.


You don't need those last 2 words.
 
2014-07-25 11:16:40 AM  
Yes. Hard drives and data recovery and security do work like that. If information on a damaged hard drive is problematic to have get out but not important to your ongoing work to spend the money to go through the uncertain and expensive process of recovering it, you destroy it. If you don't destroy it, you write over every sector of the drive repeatedly to make sure not a bit of data can be scrubbed from it.
 
2014-07-25 11:32:08 AM  
wait, didn't this all happen before the cincinnatti BOLO on political groups?
 
2014-07-25 11:45:19 AM  
How do you scratch a hard drive?
 
2014-07-25 11:47:27 AM  

SlothB77: How do you scratch a hard drive?


The same way you'd scratch a record or a CD.
 
2014-07-25 11:48:23 AM  
a lot of this doesn't add up.  the hard drive was scratched, so it was then shredded?  I have never heard of a scratched hard drive before.  or of disposing a hard drive via shredding.
 
2014-07-25 11:52:42 AM  
Duh. Everyone knows hard drives are totally impervious to any form of damage.
 
2014-07-25 11:55:49 AM  
I had no idea hard drive shredders were so expensive. Look at these things:

Intimus 9000 Degausser for Hard Drive Shredder:
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-07-25 12:00:30 PM  

SlothB77: a lot of this doesn't add up.  the hard drive was scratched, so it was then shredded?  I have never heard of a scratched hard drive before.  or of disposing a hard drive via shredding.


You are clearly the Daily Callers intended demographic.
 
2014-07-25 12:02:40 PM  

JerseyTim: I had no idea hard drive shredders were so expensive. Look at these things:

Intimus 9000 Degausser for Hard Drive Shredder:
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 425x425]


But the shipping is free, so it's a pretty good deal.
 
2014-07-25 12:05:40 PM  
 
2014-07-25 12:05:51 PM  

JerseyTim: I had no idea hard drive shredders were so expensive. Look at these things:

Intimus 9000 Degausser for Hard Drive Shredder:
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 425x425]


at least you get free shipping.

A place I used to work would bring one of these on a truck once a quarter so we could get rid of defunct/dead drives.
 
2014-07-25 12:07:46 PM  

SlothB77: a lot of this doesn't add up.  the hard drive was scratched, so it was then shredded?  I have never heard of a scratched hard drive before.  or of disposing a hard drive via shredding.


I mean obviously if you've never heard of it, it never happens.
 
2014-07-25 12:09:55 PM  

SlothB77: a lot of this doesn't add up.  the hard drive was scratched, so it was then shredded?  I have never heard of a scratched hard drive before.  or of disposing a hard drive via shredding.


I've heard of both.  We use to use sledge hammers in the parking lot before shredders came out.  Overwriting the harddrives did not meet the security standards at the time and it also took a long time.

In terms of a surface damage (gouge/scratch).  I also had it happenned to me.  My son picked my external harddrive and banged it on the desk (while it was running).  It was finished.  Do you know how fast a harddrive spins and that the heads must be ridiculously close without touching?
 
2014-07-25 12:15:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: SlothB77: a lot of this doesn't add up.  the hard drive was scratched, so it was then shredded?  I have never heard of a scratched hard drive before.  or of disposing a hard drive via shredding.

I mean obviously if you've never heard of it, it never happens.


Also, if harddrives on computers could be linked through some type telecommunications protocol it would be possible to have reference information stored and queried somehow.  Like a matrix (or web if you will) of computers that you could browse the data on perhaps even from the comfort of your home.  If something like that existed you check information that was beyond your own personal experience rather than assuming it didn't exist.
 
2014-07-25 12:30:53 PM  
a lot of this doesn't add up.  the hard drive was scratched, so it was then shredded?  I have never heard of a scratched hard drive before.  or of disposing a hard drive via shredding.

ahhhh  hahahhhahahahhahhhah
 
2014-07-25 12:32:45 PM  

SlothB77: a lot of this doesn't add up.  the hard drive was scratched, so it was then shredded?  I have never heard of a scratched hard drive before.  or of disposing a hard drive via shredding.


When Lois Lerner's "missing" emails are found, it is threads like these that the admins will delete and pretend never existed.
 
2014-07-25 12:33:16 PM  
I work for a major data storage system vendor and I can assure you all that disk drives are indeed shredded when they have contained any kind of potentially sensitive data.
 
2014-07-25 12:34:39 PM  

James!: JerseyTim: I had no idea hard drive shredders were so expensive. Look at these things:

Intimus 9000 Degausser for Hard Drive Shredder:
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 425x425]

But the shipping is free, so it's a pretty good deal.


But the sprinkles contain monosodium glutemate.
 
2014-07-25 12:34:58 PM  
I prefer thermite to destroy my data.
 
2014-07-25 12:35:45 PM  
this is pretty standard procedure for any hard drive in business

Really, they did the absolute minimum required by law and put in measures so that nothing in addition to that could be offered, this is nothing that didn't happen on a daily basis.

Hell when BoA bought Meryl Lynch there was a multi-hundred-million dollar project to rip out and replace every end user machine in the company before the fed seized anything including a rollover of the mail system to make sure no additional information was available.
 
2014-07-25 12:36:18 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I mean obviously if you've never heard of it, it never happens.


wait till he hears about showers
 
2014-07-25 12:36:33 PM  
Wow a lot of people have zero idea how technology works at all. Monkies with typewriters indeed...
 
2014-07-25 12:37:18 PM  

Mad Morf: I work for a major data storage system vendor and I can assure you all that disk drives are indeed shredded when they have contained any kind of potentially sensitive data.


i too work for one, and i can assure everyone that disk drive shredding machines are just as awesome as they sound
 
2014-07-25 12:37:30 PM  
I'd like to hear what she has to say about this.

Oh yeah.
 
2014-07-25 12:37:41 PM  
There may be a chance that this new evidence of record destruction will galvanize mainstream news reporters to ask tough questions of White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest at the next press conference.

After it was revealed on September 29, 1973 that President Richard Nixon's secretary Rose Mary Woods "accidentally" deleted eighteen and a half minutes of a June 1972 White House tape, the press was pretty critical of the Watergate-entangled Republican president.

Here's a clip of Nixon's October 26, 1973 press conference after the gap was revealed (and no, we've never seen that kind of fevered atmosphere in a White House press conference before. We sent a high school intern in there once and they wrote about our impropriety in the Huffington Post):


Oh FFS. Get this shiat out of here.
 
2014-07-25 12:37:50 PM  
I always remember reading that short of being vaporized, like into dust, that it was theoretically possible for the forensic guys to retrieve data from a hard drive no matter what condition it's in, it's just a matter of cost benefit.
 
2014-07-25 12:39:35 PM  

Cletus C.: I'd like to hear what she has to say about this.

Oh yeah.


Why would you expect Lerner to have an opinion about standard IT procedures?
 
2014-07-25 12:40:00 PM  

Cletus C.: I'd like to hear what she has to say about this.

Oh yeah.


What she has to say about the IRS procedures for destroying hard drives?
 
2014-07-25 12:40:59 PM  

SlothB77: How do you scratch a hard drive?


You move the computer while the hard drive is active.  There are little arms in the hard drive that move across the spinning surface in a hard drive to read the data.  If the computer gets jostled hard enough, those arms can bounce damaging the spinning media.
 
2014-07-25 12:41:02 PM  
I'll get you next time, Cameron.
 
2014-07-25 12:41:15 PM  
I've heard of judges and attorneys having to painstakingly explain to juries that forensics doesn't work the way it is portrayed on CSI. Is this kind of the same thing?
 
2014-07-25 12:41:33 PM  
OK, I've been told while having my computer serviced that if the HD platters aren't scratched, that the data can be recovered by finding an identical HD and replacing it's platters with the ones from my broken HD.  I had this done when my crappy Dell laptop (Dept. of Redundancy Dept., I know) crashed.  However, I was told that if the platter was scratched, then it was game over for that HD.

Is this false, or is the DC counting to potato here?
 
2014-07-25 12:41:51 PM  

James!: I'll get you next time, Cameron.


Muahahaha.
 
2014-07-25 12:42:15 PM  
Is the Daily Cholera still trying to make the IRS "scadal" a thing?

How fetch!
 
2014-07-25 12:42:55 PM  
"scandal" even.
 
2014-07-25 12:43:27 PM  

JerseyTim: I had no idea hard drive shredders were so expensive. Look at these things:

Intimus 9000 Degausser for Hard Drive Shredder:
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 425x425]


ok, that doesn't actually shred the hard drive like you would shred a piece of paper.  what that does is use magnets to delete the data on the hard drive.

Data is stored in the magnetic media, such as hard drives, floppy disks, and magnetic tape, by making very small areas called magnetic domains change their magnetic alignment to be in the direction of an applied magnetic field. This phenomenon occurs in much the same way a compass needle points in the direction of the Earth's magnetic field. Degaussing, commonly called erasure, leaves the domains in random patterns with no preference to orientation, thereby rendering previous data unrecoverable.

it doesn't actually shred the metal like a paper shredder.
 
2014-07-25 12:43:39 PM  
this doesn't add up guys, something is fishy here

computers are not made up of biological cells, how could they get a virus?

what use would a "mouse" be to a computer? they would probably chew up all the cables

a cassette tape, you mean like my .38 special greats hits collection? i've never heard of this being used in a computer

a keyboard? like what ray charles plays? ??? ??????

reboot my computer? I am not a cobbler.
 
2014-07-25 12:43:55 PM  
Electromagnets work too. Think of them as a giant delete key.

img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-07-25 12:45:23 PM  

yeegrek: OK, I've been told while having my computer serviced that if the HD platters aren't scratched, that the data can be recovered by finding an identical HD and replacing it's platters with the ones from my broken HD. I had this done when my crappy Dell laptop (Dept. of Redundancy Dept., I know) crashed. However, I was told that if the platter was scratched, then it was game over for that HD.


the person who told you that is lieing to you. probably so you'll pay them extra for the 'labor' of doing that completely invented process but possibly for the amusmant many IT people get at spinning a ridiculous story so a customer will nod and act like they understand whats being said.
 
2014-07-25 12:45:27 PM  
 After the Chinese captured a P-3 Orion back in 2001 the Navy became more interested in a way to rapidly scuttle/destroy all the assets on a signals/intelligence platform.  The idea was a drive enclosure that featured an explosive bolt that would be shot through all the drive platters when triggered, punching a hole through if not shattering and hopefully ruining all the disks.  Multiple drive enclosures on the rack were wired to an arming pin that had to be pulled before you could blow the whole thing.  Then we switched to SSDs, which was the end of that.
 
2014-07-25 12:46:00 PM  
its almost like there is a DoD standard way of dealing with harddrives..
 
2014-07-25 12:46:18 PM  

SlothB77: ok, that doesn't actually shred the hard drive like you would shred a piece of paper.  what that does is use magnets to delete the data on the hard drive.

Data is stored in the magnetic media, such as hard drives, floppy disks, and magnetic tape, by making very small areas called magnetic domains change their magnetic alignment to be in the direction of an applied magnetic field. This phenomenon occurs in much the same way a compass needle points in the direction of the Earth's magnetic field. Degaussing, commonly called erasure, leaves the domains in random patterns with no preference to orientation, thereby rendering previous data unrecoverable.

it doesn't actually shred the metal like a paper shredder.


cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2014-07-25 12:47:20 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-25 12:47:27 PM  
Even with a DoD level overwrite the data can STILL be recovred!     We have all of our old hard drives shredded.
 
2014-07-25 12:47:27 PM  
i don't want to abort the program, i believe life begins at runtime
 
2014-07-25 12:47:32 PM  
haaahaaaahahaha
 
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