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2014-07-25 08:22:02 AM  
Well, not like they pay Hannity for actual interviews or anything...
 
2014-07-25 08:38:27 AM  
I'm curious as to what he was told the interview was to be before he went on. Going on that show with no expectations would be his own fault.
 
2014-07-25 08:41:23 AM  
The PLO was a "terrorist organization", and Israelis managed to negotiate with them.  Abu Mazen was a "terrorist", and the Israelis negotiated with him too.

If Israel does manage to destroy Hamas, it will be replaced with something much worse.  But then the only reason to classify Hamas as a "terrorist organization" anyway is to keep the Palestinians divided, so that Israel can keep stealing their land.
 
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2014-07-25 08:57:48 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The PLO was a "terrorist organization", and Israelis managed to negotiate with them.  Abu Mazen was a "terrorist", and the Israelis negotiated with him too.

If Israel does manage to destroy Hamas, it will be replaced with something much worse.  But then the only reason to classify Hamas as a "terrorist organization" anyway is to keep the Palestinians divided, so that Israel can keep stealing their land.


The Irgun and the Stern Gang were terrorist organizations. Menachem Begin was a terrorist and we negotiated with him.
 
2014-07-25 09:28:39 AM  
you will answer the questions the way I want, or else!
 
2014-07-25 09:49:56 AM  
Hannity is a meat head, but I think that Hamas and the Israelis have one thing in common: they have no qualms about killing innocent Palestinians. Hamas kicks that hornet's nest and the puts their weapons in schools and we're surprised at civilian casualties? It seems to me Hamas is just as culpable in all of this.
 
2014-07-25 10:04:32 AM  
If you're smart enough to be called as a guest on a news network, you should also be smart enough to know that Fox "News" is not a news network.
 
2014-07-25 10:05:01 AM  

Nabb1: Hannity is a meat head, but I think that Hamas and the Israelis have one thing in common: they have no qualms about killing innocent Palestinians. Hamas kicks that hornet's nest and the puts their weapons in schools and we're surprised at civilian casualties? It seems to me Hamas is just as culpable in all of this.


Add in that Hamas tells Palestinians to lie and say that they're family member weren't fighters or militants
 
2014-07-25 10:14:04 AM  
Judging by the infographic at the bottom, this wasn't a loaded interview at all...

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We report AFTER we decide.
 
2014-07-25 10:17:36 AM  
Sean Hannity is dick...to the romero chopper!
 
2014-07-25 10:22:06 AM  

Nabb1: Hannity is a meat head, but I think that Hamas and the Israelis have one thing in common: they have no qualms about killing innocent Palestinians. Hamas kicks that hornet's nest and the puts their weapons in schools and we're surprised at civilian casualties? It seems to me Hamas is just as culpable in all of this.


this is one instance when in fact "both sides are bad."

personally, i think we should cut all financial aid to BOTH parties until they can cut this shiat out.
 
2014-07-25 10:31:48 AM  
Being invited on Hannitty is the same as being invited on Jerry Springer, you know nothing good is going to happen.
 
2014-07-25 10:32:45 AM  

FlashHarry: this is one instance when in fact "both sides are bad."


True, but when one side is basically doing everything it can to make the other side so miserable and pissed off in an effort to provoke terrorist attacks, one side is a little worse than the other.

Hamas is a giant bunch of aholes, but the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians in the occupied territories is despicable. I'm not excusing anything Hamas has done, but there's a certain amount of provocation being done to get that reaction.
 
2014-07-25 10:39:15 AM  
Why do you hate America?  Answer that question.
 
2014-07-25 10:41:50 AM  

FlashHarry: Nabb1: Hannity is a meat head, but I think that Hamas and the Israelis have one thing in common: they have no qualms about killing innocent Palestinians. Hamas kicks that hornet's nest and the puts their weapons in schools and we're surprised at civilian casualties? It seems to me Hamas is just as culpable in all of this.

this is one instance when in fact "both sides are bad."

personally, i think we should cut all financial aid to BOTH parties until they can cut this shiat out.


that would only make it worse

nobody's interested in the monetary value of the land in question, they're in it for the principle of the thing
 
2014-07-25 10:42:58 AM  
"What part of this can't you get through your thick head?" the Fox host said.

That was my favorite part.
 
2014-07-25 10:43:03 AM  

FlashHarry: Nabb1: Hannity is a meat head, but I think that Hamas and the Israelis have one thing in common: they have no qualms about killing innocent Palestinians. Hamas kicks that hornet's nest and the puts their weapons in schools and we're surprised at civilian casualties? It seems to me Hamas is just as culpable in all of this.

this is one instance when in fact "both sides are bad."

personally, i think we should cut all financial aid to BOTH parties until they can cut this shiat out.


Both sides are bad, but that doesn't excuse Hannity's behavior in the interview. I don't care if you have a lunatic who thinks he'shiatler reincarnate and should be elected president of Earth, if you have him on your show to talk about a subject, you let him talk about it. You have a discussion, and argue with him or shout him down AFTER he's had a chance to speak.
 
2014-07-25 10:43:09 AM  

sprawl15: FlashHarry: Nabb1: Hannity is a meat head, but I think that Hamas and the Israelis have one thing in common: they have no qualms about killing innocent Palestinians. Hamas kicks that hornet's nest and the puts their weapons in schools and we're surprised at civilian casualties? It seems to me Hamas is just as culpable in all of this.

this is one instance when in fact "both sides are bad."

personally, i think we should cut all financial aid to BOTH parties until they can cut this shiat out.

that would only make it worse

nobody's interested in the monetary value of the land in question, they're in it for the principle of the thing


How would not selling rockets to both sides- which we are doing right now- make it worse? Eventually, they'll run out of rockets.
 
2014-07-25 10:45:29 AM  

Irving Maimway: FlashHarry: this is one instance when in fact "both sides are bad."

True, but when one side is basically doing everything it can to make the other side so miserable and pissed off in an effort to provoke terrorist attacks, one side is a little worse than the other.

Hamas is a giant bunch of aholes, but the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians in the occupied territories is despicable. I'm not excusing anything Hamas has done, but there's a certain amount of provocation being done to get that reaction.



Bless your heart.

/Still remember how Palestinians were celebrating on 9/11.
 
2014-07-25 10:48:39 AM  

The_Sponge: /Still remember how Palestinians were celebrating on 9/11.


oh for fark's sake get over it. Did your poor little feelings get hurt?
awwww.... those bad people made you sad?

This isn't how we plan foreign policy, who's been mean to you.
 
2014-07-25 10:54:12 AM  

what_now: The_Sponge: /Still remember how Palestinians were celebrating on 9/11.

oh for fark's sake get over it. Did your poor little feelings get hurt?
awwww.... those bad people made you sad?

This isn't how we plan foreign policy, who's been mean to you.



No, it makes me angry.
 
2014-07-25 10:55:57 AM  
See what happens when Colmes goes away and Sean doesn't have a regular whipping boy to sate his Republican rage on? He gets all grumpy like this.

More seriously, this was a shiat show from both ends. Hannity was insane and his guest seemed to not know what show and network he was on.

To answer the question that he didn't want to... yes, Hamas *is* a terrorist organisation.

They are also a legally elected government.

And they are horribly ineffectual at both.
 
2014-07-25 10:56:30 AM  

The_Sponge: /Still remember how Palestinians were celebrating on 9/11.



Okay, Giuliani.
 
2014-07-25 10:58:37 AM  

what_now: awwww.... those bad people made you sad?



Nope.....just makes me glad when they get spanked by Israel.
 
2014-07-25 10:59:11 AM  
The_Sponge: /Still remember how Palestinians were celebrating on 9/11.


They ALL did or just some of them? Do you want America to be judged based on Fred Phelps picketing funerals or Honey Boo Boo being Honey Boo Boo?

/Your position is dumb
 
2014-07-25 10:59:12 AM  
Hamas' sworn intent is the destruction of Israel.  Their tactics are exclusively fear-based.  They use human shields, they fire unguided munitions towards population centers, they use suicide bombers and kill their own people with aplomb.  There is no question in my mind that they are terrorists.

However, their motivations are not conjured out of vapors.  Gaza is an embargoed prison for its residents, with very little flow of people, goods and services in and out.  The people are impoverished, desperate, and religiously devout... making them very open to Hamas' promises.  Israel does the right thing to defend itself, and striking back against Hamas is a pretty historically grounded reaction.  But the Gaza strip especially is a situation that will breed a never-ending cycle of retributive attacks.  The humanitarian and civil situation needs to be buoyed and quite visibly by Israel if they want Palestinians to yield their allegiance to Hamas, and these 700+ dead bodies aren't doing it.

That Hamas is inviting civilian losses is immaterial; that's their only game.
 
2014-07-25 11:00:24 AM  

quatchi: To answer the question that he didn't want to... yes, Hamas *is* a terrorist organisation.

They are also a legally elected government.

And they are horribly ineffectual at both.


Succinct and effective response.
 
2014-07-25 11:01:27 AM  

Bloody William: but that doesn't excuse Hannity's behavior in the interview


You aren't recognizing Hannity's gig.  He's not news. He's not an interviewer. He has two purposes on TV: Move the "Outrage" and the "Jingoism" needles.

His tactics are limited, but he uses them very effectively:
 - Attack a Strawman
 - Out of Context Quotes
 - Misleading or Irrelevant Statistics
 - Country Music
 
2014-07-25 11:02:50 AM  

SkinnyHead: "What part of this can't you get through your thick head?" the Fox host said.

That was my favorite part.


*snerk*
 
2014-07-25 11:03:19 AM  

what_now: sprawl15: FlashHarry: personally, i think we should cut all financial aid to BOTH parties until they can cut this shiat out.

that would only make it worse

nobody's interested in the monetary value of the land in question, they're in it for the principle of the thing

How would not selling rockets to both sides- which we are doing right now- make it worse? Eventually, they'll run out of rockets.


"all financial aid" extends to more than just rockets
 
2014-07-25 11:04:00 AM  
Now that's what I can fair and balanced!
 
2014-07-25 11:04:47 AM  

FlashHarry: Nabb1: Hannity is a meat head, but I think that Hamas and the Israelis have one thing in common: they have no qualms about killing innocent Palestinians. Hamas kicks that hornet's nest and the puts their weapons in schools and we're surprised at civilian casualties? It seems to me Hamas is just as culpable in all of this.

this is one instance when in fact "both sides are bad."

personally, i think we should cut all financial aid to BOTH parties until they can cut this shiat out.


Wouldn't inflicting further economic misery on the Palestinians make them more inclined towards extremism?
 
2014-07-25 11:06:44 AM  
If only somebody would talk to Sean Hannity just as vehemently about his stealing from his own charity, which is marketed as to benefit the families of slain soldiers.
 
2014-07-25 11:07:37 AM  

stpauler: The_Sponge: /Still remember how Palestinians were celebrating on 9/11.


They ALL did or just some of them? Do you want America to be judged based on Fred Phelps picketing funerals or Honey Boo Boo being Honey Boo Boo?

/Your position is dumb



Something to think about:

What % of Americans support the WBC?

What % of Palestinians support Hamas, wish to see the destruction of Israel, and hate America?

If you think those numbers are even in the same ballpark, then I just feel sorry for you.
 
2014-07-25 11:08:28 AM  

EyeballKid: If only somebody would talk to Sean Hannity just as vehemently about his stealing from his own charity, which is marketed as to benefit the families of slain soldiers.



Citation?

I'm not being snarky....I had not heard about that.
 
2014-07-25 11:08:56 AM  

factoryconnection: Hamas' sworn intent is the destruction of Israel.  Their tactics are exclusively fear-based.  They use human shields, they fire unguided munitions towards population centers, they use suicide bombers and kill their own people with aplomb.  There is no question in my mind that they are terrorists.

However, their motivations are not conjured out of vapors.  Gaza is an embargoed prison for its residents, with very little flow of people, goods and services in and out.  The people are impoverished, desperate, and religiously devout... making them very open to Hamas' promises.  Israel does the right thing to defend itself, and striking back against Hamas is a pretty historically grounded reaction.  But the Gaza strip especially is a situation that will breed a never-ending cycle of retributive attacks.  The humanitarian and civil situation needs to be buoyed and quite visibly by Israel if they want Palestinians to yield their allegiance to Hamas, and these 700+ dead bodies aren't doing it.

That Hamas is inviting civilian losses is immaterial; that's their only game.


Exactly. The Palestinians have no trust in the peace process, as a result of a generation of bad policy from Israel and their supporters in the US. They assume the negotiations will be stacked against them, and engaging in Western conventional warfare is the quickest way to lose everything. So of course they engage in asymmetric warfare.

If you treat a people like second-class citizens, expect them to use whatever means necessary to defend themselves. It doesn't justify the use of civilians as human shields, but to expect them to play by a set of rules that has been used to screw them over all their lives? What else should we expect?
 
2014-07-25 11:09:02 AM  

PreMortem: I'm curious as to what he was told the interview was to be before he went on. Going on that show with no expectations would be his own fault.


Yeah, this guy going on Hannity is like a conservative being interviewed by a Daily Show correspondent. Nothing good was going to come out of that interview.
 
2014-07-25 11:09:35 AM  

The_Sponge: stpauler: The_Sponge: /Still remember how Palestinians were celebrating on 9/11.


They ALL did or just some of them? Do you want America to be judged based on Fred Phelps picketing funerals or Honey Boo Boo being Honey Boo Boo?

/Your position is dumb


Something to think about:

What % of Americans support the WBC?

What % of Palestinians support Hamas, wish to see the destruction of Israel, and hate America?

If you think those numbers are even in the same ballpark, then I just feel sorry for you.


What's this got to do with 9/11, or the general principle of not juding an entire people based on the actions of a few?
 
2014-07-25 11:11:28 AM  

The_Sponge: EyeballKid: If only somebody would talk to Sean Hannity just as vehemently about his stealing from his own charity, which is marketed as to benefit the families of slain soldiers.


Citation?

I'm not being snarky....I had not heard about that.



Well, it may not be theft, per se, but the amount of "donated" money isn't really what you'd call "reported," and it's "donated" to a group run by that trustworthy American hero, Oliver North.   http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/03/crew-sean-hannity-freedom-con c ert-freedom-alliance
 
Kiz
2014-07-25 11:11:51 AM  
Hamas depends on the locals hating Israel for their support and so they benefit every time Israel blows something up.

The Israeli hard liners depend on the locals fearing Hamas so they benefit every time that Hamas blows something up.

It's a symbiotic relationship that ensures reelection for both sides.

It just sucks for anyone who isn't a politician.
 
2014-07-25 11:13:11 AM  

FlashHarry: Nabb1: Hannity is a meat head, but I think that Hamas and the Israelis have one thing in common: they have no qualms about killing innocent Palestinians. Hamas kicks that hornet's nest and the puts their weapons in schools and we're surprised at civilian casualties? It seems to me Hamas is just as culpable in all of this.

this is one instance when in fact "both sides are bad."

personally, i think we should cut all financial aid to BOTH parties until they can cut this shiat out.


Ha! No. Then the Evangelicals won't get to be the white knights when the End Times start.
 
2014-07-25 11:13:21 AM  

factoryconnection: But the Gaza strip especially is a situation that will breed a never-ending cycle of retributive attacks.


Exactly THIS ^^^^

Given the speed at which Bebe has accelerated new settlements, the worsening conditions in the occupied territories, and the general lack of giving a shiat about conditions there by the rest of the world, the current situation should surprise no one.

We're now in a situation where ever time one side does something shiatty, the other side is provoked into doing something worse, with the abundance of force sitting on the side of the Israelis. Until there's a government in place there that's willing to do a single state solution with full citizenship and rights granted to the Palestinians, Hamas and other radical groups will have no shortage of recruits and we'll have a never ending cycle of strike and counter strike with dead civilians on both sides.
 
2014-07-25 11:13:21 AM  
I don't know what this guy expected, Hannity is a F-ing moron. Unfortunately most people watching probably thought this was a legitimate response.

factoryconnection: That Hamas is inviting civilian losses is immaterial; that's their only game


Only if we accept that they are an irrationa actor, and if that si the case Israel can't deal witt them.

Marcus Aurelius: But then the only reason to classify Hamas as a "terrorist organization" anyway is to keep the Palestinians divided, so that Israel can keep stealing their land


Stealing it by giving back Gaza? Stealing more by builfding up more on settlements they alrwady have (I don;t agree with btw, but they aren't taking more land).


Call me crazy but I would classify them as terrorist since they have used the last 8 years to build up and use rockets (which ends up killing their own and damaging infrastructure) in an attempt to kill Israeli civilians vice building up infrastructure. But I am one of those peopel who doesn't like to give Hamas a free pass on their use of human shields because I have a burning desire to villify Israel.
 
2014-07-25 11:14:21 AM  

The_Sponge: What % of Americans support the WBC?

What % of Palestinians support Hamas, wish to see the destruction of Israel, and hate America?

If you think those numbers are even in the same ballpark, then I just feel sorry for you.


I'm sure you have citations for this, and are not just going on gut instinct.


Russel Stevens has a good bit about this. The news here only shows the crazy Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims/whatever. Why? Because the normal ones are boring. Who wants to watch two Palestinian women discuss shoe shopping over coffee?
 
2014-07-25 11:14:51 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The PLO was a "terrorist organization", and Israelis managed to negotiate with them.  Abu Mazen was a "terrorist", and the Israelis negotiated with him too.

If Israel does manage to destroy Hamas, it will be replaced with something much worse.  But then the only reason to classify Hamas as a "terrorist organization" anyway is to keep the Palestinians divided, so that Israel can keep stealing their land.


Wha..wha.. what are you talking about?

www.juancole.com
 
2014-07-25 11:14:55 AM  

The_Sponge: what_now: The_Sponge: /Still remember how Palestinians were celebrating on 9/11.

oh for fark's sake get over it. Did your poor little feelings get hurt?
awwww.... those bad people made you sad?

This isn't how we plan foreign policy, who's been mean to you.


No, it makes me angry.


It made them angry that we fund Israel to kill countless Palestinian civilians so meh.
 
2014-07-25 11:15:49 AM  

Nabb1: Hannity is a meat head, but I think that Hamas and the Israelis have one thing in common: they have no qualms about killing innocent Palestinians. Hamas kicks that hornet's nest and the puts their weapons in schools and we're surprised at civilian casualties? It seems to me Hamas is just as culpable in all of this.


I don't always agree with you, but this is spot on.  The people on both sides who try to frame either Israel or Hamas as "victims" are crazy.
 
2014-07-25 11:16:27 AM  

Rustico: Bloody William: but that doesn't excuse Hannity's behavior in the interview

You aren't recognizing Hannity's gig.  He's not news. He's not an interviewer. He has two purposes on TV: Move the "Outrage" and the "Jingoism" needles.

His tactics are limited, but he uses them very effectively:
 - Attack a Strawman
 - Out of Context Quotes
 - Misleading or Irrelevant Statistics
 - Country Music


yeah I have noticed that ORiely, wil go on the Daily Show and have Stewart on his but never Hannity?
 
2014-07-25 11:17:20 AM  

UNC_Samurai: They assume the negotiations will be stacked against them, and engaging in Western conventional warfare is the quickest way to lose everything. So of course they engage in asymmetric warfare


They lose far more hiding rocket launchers among civilians.

And asymetric warfare doesn't require using human shields and lobbing rockets randomly.


UNC_Samurai: If you treat a people like second-class citizens, expect them to use whatever means necessary to defend themselves. It doesn't justify the use of civilians as human shields, but to expect them to play by a set of rules that has been used to screw them over all their lives?


I don't get this at all. What does it defend against?

I don't expect them to "play by rules" that hurt them, but the actions they are taking do directly hurt them.
 
2014-07-25 11:18:30 AM  

EyeballKid: Well, it may not be theft, per se, but the amount of "donated" money isn't really what you'd call "reported," and it's "donated" to a group run by that trustworthy American hero, Oliver North. http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/03/crew-sean-hannity-freedom-con c ert-freedom-alliance



As much as I dislike the IRS, I really hope they do their job well if such shenanigans took place.
 
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