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2014-07-25 09:17:25 AM  
Nice folks.  They really are the Taliban on crack.  At least the Taliban only blew up historical artifacts from other religions.
 
2014-07-25 09:37:13 AM  

Diogenes: Nice folks.  They really are the Taliban on crack.  At least the Taliban only blew up historical artifacts from other religions.


Like the amazing sand Buddhas in the desert
 
2014-07-25 09:47:40 AM  

plushpuppy: Diogenes: Nice folks.  They really are the Taliban on crack.  At least the Taliban only blew up historical artifacts from other religions.

Like the amazing sand Buddhas in the desert


Precisely my reference.  But as I mentioned the other day, this regrettably happens a lot.   Saddam himself had the Garden of Eden drained as political punishment.

I don't mean to diminish the loss of lives - indeed entire generations - to the centuries-old cycle of violence.  But it really is a shame that they have to take the great works of history with them.
 
2014-07-25 09:59:40 AM  
M as in Mancy.

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2014-07-25 10:13:58 AM  
If this is how they treat a Muslim shrine imagine the fate of religious minorities in their domain.
 
2014-07-25 11:02:30 AM  

Delawheredad: If this is how they treat a Muslim shrine imagine the fate of religious minorities in their domain.


There will be no minorities in their domain.  These are ancient Sunni tribal areas.  They've regressed thousands of years since the iron fist that kept this shiat from happening was removed back in 2003.
 
2014-07-25 11:53:44 AM  
Something's fishy about this story.
 
2014-07-25 12:11:22 PM  
The should experiment in a mass self-sublimation experiment far away from civilians.
 
2014-07-25 12:11:40 PM  

gopher321: Something's fishy about this story.


Oh I bet they're having a whale of a time.
 
2014-07-25 12:12:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Delawheredad: If this is how they treat a Muslim shrine imagine the fate of religious minorities in their domain.

There will be no minorities in their domain.  These are ancient Sunni tribal areas.  They've regressed thousands of years since the iron fist that kept this shiat from happening was removed back in 2003.


Pretty much.  They've also been targeting shiites.  If you're anything other than Sunni, the message from ISIS is GET OUT.
 
2014-07-25 12:14:03 PM  

Delawheredad: If this is how they treat a Muslim shrine imagine the fate of religious minorities in their domain.


Delawheredad: If this is how they treat a Muslim shrine imagine the fate of religious minorities in their domain.


It does not require imagination. It is already known.

This isn't helping me overcome my preference for the works of human over the actual humans. Aerosolized Ebola is starting to sound like a great idea.
 
2014-07-25 12:14:27 PM  
....whale shiite!
 
2014-07-25 12:15:16 PM  
IIRC, the Koran forbids any kind of religious imagery for fear of idolatry and even monuments and nonreligious imagery is treated with suspicion. It is no surprise that the extremist factions take it to its logical conclusion.
 
2014-07-25 12:18:02 PM  
Has anyone heard from Little Wooden Boy? He could be next
 
2014-07-25 12:20:02 PM  
Can't find any non-Muslims to fight? No worries, you can always proclaim someone a heretic!
 
2014-07-25 12:20:13 PM  
This isn't about religion and hasn't been for a very long time. It is about power plain and simple power. The crusades were about the same thing and the only thing that has changed since then is the way the power struggle is fought.
 
2014-07-25 12:20:48 PM  

cgraves67: IIRC, the Koran forbids any kind of religious imagery for fear of idolatry and even monuments and nonreligious imagery is treated with suspicion. It is no surprise that the extremist factions take it to its logical conclusion.


What about Mecca? Do the extremists want that destroyed?
 
2014-07-25 12:21:20 PM  
Wow they just want to piss everyone off huh?
 
2014-07-25 12:21:44 PM  
There's a Muslim guy on AM talk radio around here that goes on 3 hour long tirades about the iniquities in the Qur'an and Islam in general. It's pretty epic. There's no hate quite like the hate between members of the same family.
 
2014-07-25 12:21:56 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Delawheredad: If this is how they treat a Muslim shrine imagine the fate of religious minorities in their domain.

There will be no minorities in their domain.  These are ancient Sunni tribal areas.  They've regressed thousands of years since the iron fist that kept this shiat from happening was removed back in 2003.


If we airdrop GW Bush and Dick Cheney to them, you think they might call it a deal?
 
2014-07-25 12:22:33 PM  

cgraves67: IIRC, the Koran forbids any kind of religious imagery for fear of idolatry and even monuments and nonreligious imagery is treated with suspicion


But a statue of a giant vagina is A-OK.

islamgreatreligion.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-25 12:22:55 PM  
This.  This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2014-07-25 12:23:15 PM  

Delawheredad: If this is how they treat a Muslim shrine imagine the fate of religious minorities in their domain.


All of the minorities are running for Kurdistan, where the only tolerant group in the entire area is. Also, mountains and peshmerga that will protect their lives. Most of them live near the mountains anyway, because that's the place they moved to when escaping Islamic fanatics in the past.

The war nerd wrote a number of interesting columns on this stuff.

As for the shrine, well, that's how these fanatics work. Nobody should be surprised. It's like being surprised that Mormons don't drink coffee.
 
2014-07-25 12:24:45 PM  

Son of Thunder: Marcus Aurelius: Delawheredad: If this is how they treat a Muslim shrine imagine the fate of religious minorities in their domain.

There will be no minorities in their domain.  These are ancient Sunni tribal areas.  They've regressed thousands of years since the iron fist that kept this shiat from happening was removed back in 2003.

Pretty much.  They've also been targeting shiites.  If you're anything other than Sunni, the message from ISIS is GET OUT.


Hell even being Sunni isn;t good enough you need to be Wahabbist Sunni (which is roughly to Sunni Islam what The most uber-evangelical , Fred Phelps-type church is to mainline Christianity)
 
2014-07-25 12:25:46 PM  
Residents said on Thursday that the militants first ordered everyone out of the Mosque of the Prophet Younis, or Jonah, then blew it up.

Well at least there's that
 
2014-07-25 12:26:22 PM  

Tom_Slick: cgraves67: IIRC, the Koran forbids any kind of religious imagery for fear of idolatry and even monuments and nonreligious imagery is treated with suspicion. It is no surprise that the extremist factions take it to its logical conclusion.

What about Mecca? Do the extremists want that destroyed?


Saudi Arabia is doing a good job of that already. They've systematically been destroying the area around Makkah under the last king because he doesn't want anything else to be considered historic unless it's a money generating hotel.
 
2014-07-25 12:27:07 PM  
I wonder who was actually buried there.
 
2014-07-25 12:28:10 PM  

Tom_Slick: cgraves67: IIRC, the Koran forbids any kind of religious imagery for fear of idolatry and even monuments and nonreligious imagery is treated with suspicion. It is no surprise that the extremist factions take it to its logical conclusion.

What about Mecca? Do the extremists want that destroyed?


img.fark.net

/not an extremist
//not even into the whole religion thing
 
2014-07-25 12:28:50 PM  

balfourk: This isn't about religion and hasn't been for a very long time. It is about power plain and simple power. The crusades were about the same thing and the only thing that has changed since then is the way the power struggle is fought.


Religion is the empowering force though. These people think that women need to be covered at all times because men won't be able to resist raping them. These people think that symbols need to be destroyed because men won't be able to resist worshipping them. Their entire worldview removes any personal responsibility for agency for their actions because men are fundamentally seen as no more sentient than toddlers reacting to external stimuli.
 
2014-07-25 12:29:12 PM  
"Our God is the one and only true God and he is of peace and compassion and eternal rectitude and we will bomb the living sh*t out of anybody who says differently!" - Religion
 
2014-07-25 12:29:15 PM  

Tom_Slick: cgraves67: IIRC, the Koran forbids any kind of religious imagery for fear of idolatry and even monuments and nonreligious imagery is treated with suspicion. It is no surprise that the extremist factions take it to its logical conclusion.

What about Mecca? Do the extremists want that destroyed?


The Kaaba is supposedly the first place of worship made for Allah by Abraham. It is just a building. Islam's foundational moment is when Muhammad removed all the pagan idols from it. Perhaps the extremists do want to destroy it, but I think it is typically not considered an idol.
 
2014-07-25 12:29:33 PM  

kabloink: I wonder who was actually buried there.


A fisherman named Jonah who once fell out of a boat while hunting a whale, swam to shore and after a few gallons of wine told history's greatest fish story.
 
2014-07-25 12:29:34 PM  

groppet: Wow they just want to piss everyone off huh?


I don't know enough about the region, but part of me wonders if there might be any possibility that (from an American perspective) this will eventually take care of itself.  If they're pissing off the entire population of the Middle East that isn't them, and flooding their neighbors with unwanted refugees, will there be a tipping point at which "ISIS vs Everyone" becomes "Everyone vs ISIS"?
 
2014-07-25 12:29:55 PM  
I wonder if they screamed "Mission Accomplished" when it blew up?

/probably just screamed Allahu Akbar over and over
//mixed in with some lalalalaallalalaalalalaa
 
2014-07-25 12:30:05 PM  

Magorn: Son of Thunder: Marcus Aurelius: Delawheredad: If this is how they treat a Muslim shrine imagine the fate of religious minorities in their domain.

There will be no minorities in their domain.  These are ancient Sunni tribal areas.  They've regressed thousands of years since the iron fist that kept this shiat from happening was removed back in 2003.

Pretty much.  They've also been targeting shiites.  If you're anything other than Sunni, the message from ISIS is GET OUT.

Hell even being Sunni isn;t good enough you need to be Wahabbist Sunni (which is roughly to Sunni Islam what The most uber-evangelical , Fred Phelps-type church is to mainline Christianity)


WBC aren't evangelicals; even if they say that they are. They are just trolls. And, Fred is dead; having been excommunicated, presumably, for renouncing hate and bridges in the last two weeks of his life.

/ not that two weeks can atone for a life of hate; if he did repent, I hope he found peace before he was dragged to hell
 
2014-07-25 12:30:53 PM  

kabloink: I wonder who was actually buried there.


Grant.
 
2014-07-25 12:30:53 PM  

kabloink: I wonder who was actually buried there.


A dead guy.
 
2014-07-25 12:31:02 PM  

Tom_Slick: cgraves67: IIRC, the Koran forbids any kind of religious imagery for fear of idolatry and even monuments and nonreligious imagery is treated with suspicion. It is no surprise that the extremist factions take it to its logical conclusion.

What about Mecca? Do the extremists want that destroyed?


Do you know the story of the Kaaba? This isn't a new theme in Islamic history.
 
2014-07-25 12:32:17 PM  

Turfshoe: probably just screamed Allahu Akbar over and over


imtheirwebguy.com
 
2014-07-25 12:34:04 PM  
"These issues wouldn't be happening if they all just accepted Jesus in their hearts."

Heard from the blonde harpy on the Fox News morning show a few years back when Egyptians were throwing rocks at each others' faces.  Was the last time my TV was ever tuned to that channel for anything.
 
2014-07-25 12:35:05 PM  

adamatari: Tom_Slick: cgraves67: IIRC, the Koran forbids any kind of religious imagery for fear of idolatry and even monuments and nonreligious imagery is treated with suspicion. It is no surprise that the extremist factions take it to its logical conclusion.

What about Mecca? Do the extremists want that destroyed?

Do you know the story of the Kaaba? This isn't a new theme in Islamic history.


No I don't, but I can see extremists deciding that something in their religion that has a noble history has become a false idol and something that needs to be destroyed.
 
2014-07-25 12:35:29 PM  
 
2014-07-25 12:46:13 PM  

Fluid: Can't find any non-Muslims to fight? No worries, you can always proclaim someone a heretic!


Separation of Church and State is the best social idea in the history of ever.
 
2014-07-25 12:58:12 PM  
I don't know why this happened, but I think we can all agree that it was Western oppression and colonialism at its base.
 
2014-07-25 12:59:33 PM  

D135: This.  This is why we they can't have nice things.


FIFY. We can (and do) have nice things -- we just have to kill them so they don't fark it up.
 
2014-07-25 12:59:34 PM  

cgraves67: IIRC, the Koran forbids any kind of religious imagery for fear of idolatry and even monuments and nonreligious imagery is treated with suspicion. It is no surprise that the extremist factions take it to its logical conclusion.


Yeah, those guys are crackups.

img.fark.net

img.fark.net

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-25 01:02:49 PM  

kabloink: I wonder who was actually buried there.


Grant?
 
2014-07-25 01:09:38 PM  

ChipNASA: gopher321: Something's fishy about this story.

Oh I bet they're having a whale of a time.


I find it all hard to swallow.
 
2014-07-25 01:10:59 PM  

ChipNASA: gopher321: Something's fishy about this story. Oh I bet they're having a whale of a time.

img.fark.net

 
2014-07-25 01:14:35 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: balfourk: This isn't about religion and hasn't been for a very long time. It is about power plain and simple power. The crusades were about the same thing and the only thing that has changed since then is the way the power struggle is fought.

Religion is the empowering force though. These people think that women need to be covered at all times because men won't be able to resist raping them. These people think that symbols need to be destroyed because men won't be able to resist worshipping them. Their entire worldview removes any personal responsibility for agency for their actions because men are fundamentally seen as no more sentient than toddlers reacting to external stimuli.


It has been argued that Islam came about in the first place as a reforming response to a society that was just as you describe.

lohphat: kabloink: I wonder who was actually buried there.

Grant.


YOU.
 
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