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(NYPost)   NASA would like humanity to know that on July 23rd, 2012 a massive solar flare nearly destroyed Earth's entire electrical infrastructure, which would have plunged the world into total chaos. Have a nice day   (nypost.com ) divider line
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2014-07-25 09:08:31 AM  
I would've given you some points if you used the article about this from the Sun Herald subby.

http://www.sunherald.com/2014/07/24/5712182/super-storm-just-misses- ea rth.html
 
2014-07-25 09:10:48 AM  
Thanks for the heads up NASA!
 
2014-07-25 09:15:52 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I would've given you some points if you used the article about this from the Sun Herald subby.

http://www.sunherald.com/2014/07/24/5712182/super-storm-just-misses- ea rth.html


Well, thank Christ your point system means zero to me.

/submitter
 
2014-07-25 09:26:29 AM  
Luckily, Obama went back in his time machine and saved us all.
 
2014-07-25 09:36:43 AM  
Pretty sure we were arguing about what this would / would not do two years ago... when it was happening.
 
2014-07-25 09:40:36 AM  
Let's wait until it happens then do something about it. Meanwhile let's cut off funding to study it.
 
2014-07-25 10:41:49 AM  
mojoimage.com
 
2014-07-25 10:44:33 AM  
Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?
 
2014-07-25 10:49:45 AM  
It would have taken down everything, but thankfully the US military sent in time-traveling Aztecs to take out the Mayans before they could steer the flares past Earth's magnetic defenses.

IT'S ALL TRUE, SHUT UP
 
2014-07-25 10:51:23 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-25 10:52:42 AM  
...solar flare nearly destroyed Earth's entire electrical infrastructure, which would have plunged the world into total chaos

At least we still have the electrical infrastructure
 
2014-07-25 10:53:25 AM  

nekom: Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?


Faraday Cage

The problem is that if not enough governments take protection, you're screwed anyway.

http://modernsurvivalonline.com/guest-post-protecting-electronic-dev ic es-from-an-emp-attack/
 
2014-07-25 10:53:32 AM  

nekom: Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?


Absolutely

Here are some basic instructions...


How to protect against a coronal mass ejection (CME)


/I'm from NASA.....and you're welcome.
 
2014-07-25 10:54:30 AM  
*points at the Sun*

Hey Sun, missed it again! You throw magnetic flares like a girl, HA-HA!
 
2014-07-25 10:54:51 AM  
"We would have told you at the time, but we didn't want to start a panic..."
 
2014-07-25 10:55:34 AM  
Electronics can be hardened / shielded / designed with components less susceptible to these events.  Critical military and science satellites, for example, are built that way for this very reason.  It's more expensive to do that, however, and manufacturers in China, etc. who are trying to maximize their markets and profits have absolutely no incentive to do that.
 
2014-07-25 10:55:36 AM  
Well obviously we need to ban solar flares to prevent this from happening in the future. Also, if it had happened, the folks with guns would have been in a much better position.
 
2014-07-25 10:55:52 AM  
Sooo, the Mayans' doomsday prophecy was closer than we thought? o_o'
 
2014-07-25 10:56:16 AM  

nekom: Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?


The answer to all your questions is yes. The military knows how to harden stuff against EMP, but only the military is willing to spend that kind of money.
 
2014-07-25 10:56:36 AM  

nekom: Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?


Yes: turn it off before the worst of the storm hits.

Geomagnetic storms aren't strong enough to directly damage power grids, but they set up conditions where transformers will burn themselves out under normal service loads.  If there's no AC flowing in the grid, the transformers give exactly zero farks about the geomagnetic storm.

Figuring out how to get governments and utilities to make a decision of that magnitude with no more than a few hours' notice is left as an exercise to the reader.
 
2014-07-25 10:59:13 AM  

Feel_the_velvet: ...solar flare nearly destroyed Earth's entire electrical infrastructure, which would have plunged the world into total chaos

At least we still have the electrical infrastructure


s13.postimg.org

The reset button on civilization was not pushed . . . this time.
 
2014-07-25 10:59:54 AM  
Also, oh shiat.  The idiots who think a geomagnetic storm and nuclear EMP are the same thing are already here.

/Nano- to microsecond-scale E1 EMPs and minute- to hour-scale geomagnetic field fluctuations are kinda different.
 
2014-07-25 11:00:18 AM  
Inconsolable:
  oyster.ignimgs.com
 
2014-07-25 11:00:44 AM  
I demand we destroy the sun before it destroys us!
 
2014-07-25 11:00:55 AM  
I would hate it if the doomsday preppers would be able to say "Told ya so"
 
2014-07-25 11:01:41 AM  

Professor Science: Yes: turn it off before the worst of the storm hits.


That's what I thought.  If you just shut the electronics down and disconnect from the grid during the storm they should be fine, right?
 
2014-07-25 11:05:09 AM  

nekom: Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?


I've often wondered about cars. Modern cars have so much electrical stuff in them that any sort of EMP would turn them into rather large paperweights. But what about old ones? If you have a classic vehicle with a mechanical fuel pump, and a points-style ignition (as opposed to an electronic ignition), would an EMP cause any problems, or are you going to be the only one left driving?
 
2014-07-25 11:05:30 AM  

Professor Science: nekom: Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?

Yes: turn it off before the worst of the storm hits.

Geomagnetic storms aren't strong enough to directly damage power grids, but they set up conditions where transformers will burn themselves out under normal service loads.  If there's no AC flowing in the grid, the transformers give exactly zero farks about the geomagnetic storm.

Figuring out how to get governments and utilities to make a decision of that magnitude with no more than a few hours' notice is left as an exercise to the reader.


So, you're saying that they should

shut. Down. EVERYTHING
 
2014-07-25 11:06:17 AM  

algrant33: Inconsolable:
  [oyster.ignimgs.com image 850x318]


Came for the Revolution reference. Leaving happy
 
2014-07-25 11:07:47 AM  

fawlty: Professor Science: Yes: turn it off before the worst of the storm hits.

That's what I thought.  If you just shut the electronics down and disconnect from the grid during the storm they should be fine, right?


It's not even the electronics that would care.  Anything small enough to pick up and move around already gets subjected to magnetic field swings thousands of times worse than the worst CME impact in history.  It's coils of wire wrapped around iron and directly connected to hundreds of miles of copper up in the air that are vulnerable, but could be completely protected by turning the grid off.
 
2014-07-25 11:09:26 AM  

nekom: Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?


The problem is that certain parts of the electrical grid are more vulnerable to getting fried than others, and recovering those parts of the grid was estimated to take quite some time. New England, the East Coast and the Seattle area were called out as particularly vulnerable.

We do get warning from satellites, and if the power companies were on the ball, they could take the vulnerable portions of the grid offline before it hits.
 
2014-07-25 11:09:39 AM  

myrrh: nekom: Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?

The answer to all your questions is yes. The military knows how to harden stuff against EMP, but only the military is willing to spend that kind of money.


This simply isnt true i dont think

There is a vast untapped market in this nation for hardened solid state equipment.

Hell, there is a vast untapped market for quality U.S. products that would last 20-30 years (like what you could buy 45 years ago)

People are willing to pay for it.
You simply cannot find the products.


Its the shortsighted junk salesmen that run wallstreet that cant get over their laserlike focus on cost and labor reduction that have us living in a world of disposable goods that cant survive a small grid power spike... let alone an atmospheric ionic cascade
 
2014-07-25 11:11:02 AM  

nekom: Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?


Take down all the drywall in your house.  Buy new stuff.  glue sheets of aluminum foil to the side which will face the exterior wall.  Install drywall.   Laugh maniacally when all the neighbors homes and cars go out when the EMP hits.


//My stock in Reynolds wrap in no way influenced this comment.
 
2014-07-25 11:11:52 AM  
Professor Science:
It's not even the electronics that would care.  Anything small enough to pick up and move around already gets subjected to magnetic field swings thousands of times worse than the worst CME impact in history.  It's coils of wire wrapped around iron and directly connected to hundreds of miles of copper up in the air that are vulnerable, but could be completely protected by turning the grid off.

Um, so like... you'd be the one guy in the movie that got silenced so the evil corporate overlords could turn a profit off the impending catastrophe... lol
 
2014-07-25 11:11:58 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I would've given you some points if you used the article about this from the Sun Herald subby.

http://www.sunherald.com/2014/07/24/5712182/super-storm-just-misses- ea rth.html


Hell I would have given him points if he linked to one talking about how a solar flare was coming on the 23rd...  Conspiracy idiots in my facebook feed were talking about it potentially shutting down the infrastructure on the 23rd. 1 month before Subby sneezed and posted something
 
2014-07-25 11:12:06 AM  
Professor Science: Yes: turn it off before the worst of the storm hits.

That's what I thought.  If you just shut the electronics down and disconnect from the grid during the storm they should be fine, right?


Yup. What would really get fried are the satellites. No more Direct TV, Sirius, GPS, etc. for a while. International comm via undersea cables should be fine, I think, unless the magnetic pulses penetrate the ocean and fry the cable inline amplifiers...
 
2014-07-25 11:14:44 AM  

nekom: Tech question:  Is there anything we can do to defend against this?  Any way electronic devices can be hardened to survive something like this?  Something we can do to the power grid to make it less vulnerable?  Or are we pretty much farked when this actually happens some day?


Yes.
 
2014-07-25 11:15:39 AM  
I'm just confused as to why the NY Post would believe something scientists said.
 
2014-07-25 11:15:50 AM  
Yeah, I know - I saw the movie.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-25 11:16:55 AM  

algrant33: Inconsolable:
  [oyster.ignimgs.com image 850x318]


Also inconsolable:

jaredandkyal.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-25 11:17:38 AM  
img1.imagesbn.com
 
2014-07-25 11:17:48 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Feel_the_velvet: ...solar flare nearly destroyed Earth's entire electrical infrastructure, which would have plunged the world into total chaos

At least we still have the electrical infrastructure

[s13.postimg.org image 850x745]

The reset button on civilization was not pushed . . . this time.


Man, that would be a shiatty future.
 
2014-07-25 11:18:26 AM  

mark12A: Professor Science: Yes: turn it off before the worst of the storm hits.

That's what I thought.  If you just shut the electronics down and disconnect from the grid during the storm they should be fine, right?

Yup. What would really get fried are the satellites. No more Direct TV, Sirius, GPS, etc. for a while. International comm via undersea cables should be fine, I think, unless the magnetic pulses penetrate the ocean and fry the cable inline amplifiers...


Yep.  The cables would be fine as long as there was still a grid to power those amplifiers.  Quite a few satellites would probably survive too, but with significantly reduced service lives.
 
2014-07-25 11:19:14 AM  

Professor Science: Also, oh shiat.  The idiots who think a geomagnetic storm and nuclear EMP are the same thing are already here.

/Nano- to microsecond-scale E1 EMPs and minute- to hour-scale geomagnetic field fluctuations are kinda different.


How does hardening against EMPs differ from hardening against geomagnetic storms? Educate us.
 
2014-07-25 11:20:18 AM  

Professor Science: The idiots who think a geomagnetic storm and nuclear EMP are the same thing are already here.


Happens every time.

We're not talking about a nuclear bomb type EMP. There is enough magnetic pulse to interfere with radio and GPS, but it's not going to fry every electronic device on the planet.

What we're talking about is the power grid going down and staying down for quite some time. I saw an estimate from NASA saying it could take more than a year to fix the grid in New England.

We could build some big ass power transformers to serve as spares that aren't hooked up to anything, but what are the chances that we would be so forward thinking?
 
2014-07-25 11:21:10 AM  
It is from the NYP. Not only is it old news, it isn't even accurate news. Nothing to see here, people. Move along.
 
2014-07-25 11:22:24 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Feel_the_velvet: ...solar flare nearly destroyed Earth's entire electrical infrastructure, which would have plunged the world into total chaos

At least we still have the electrical infrastructure

[s13.postimg.org image 850x745]

The reset button on civilization was not pushed . . . this time.


What in the holy fark is going on in the upper left corner of the last frame in that image?  You mean to tell me if a massive solar flare happens we're all getting blown in a back alley by aging bald men?  That's, just, farked up, man.
 
2014-07-25 11:22:34 AM  
www.wearysloth.com

Nearly!
 
2014-07-25 11:22:41 AM  
It is important to  dress properly for the occasion.
 
2014-07-25 11:22:52 AM  
Holy shiat - Larry Niven shows up again.
 
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