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2014-07-25 10:11:30 AM  
Obama switched to more executive actions because the legislative approach has become too slow for words?

Pretty sure this is an outrage to someone and obviously bad news... for Obama.
 
2014-07-25 10:36:08 AM  
Yeah, I think this has reached crisis point and he realizes that Congress won't do a damn thing about it.

I wonder if the "Christians" who routinely vote Republican will get turned off by their inhumanity towards sexually abused children?

Nah, probably not.
 
2014-07-25 11:03:49 AM  
I wonder if the Executive Branch could counter-sue the House for failing to provide funding for laws it passed, making it impossible for the Executive Branch to fulfill its duties?
 
2014-07-25 11:55:41 AM  
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2014-07-25 11:55:53 AM  
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2014-07-25 12:01:14 PM  
Obama changed his mind (or Lied the first time).

I for one am STUNNED! SHOCKED!
 
2014-07-25 12:02:03 PM  

Totally Sharky Complete:


I'm glad that you posted this is shows everyone just how really ignorant you are.
 
2014-07-25 12:03:09 PM  

what_now: Yeah, I think this has reached crisis point and he realizes that Congress won't do a damn thing about it.

I wonder if the "Christians" who routinely vote Republican will get turned off by their inhumanity towards sexually abused children?

Nah, probably not.


This is where teh libruls show their ignorance ....  Jesus' teachings were only alluding to white people.    In America.   Not living on either coast.   Or Chicago.
 
2014-07-25 12:04:54 PM  
Politico on anything, then and now: Wrong.

At least they're consistent.
 
2014-07-25 12:13:16 PM  
Derpers believe that you should never ever let new facts get in the way of decision making.

It streamlines things considerably.
 
2014-07-25 12:21:22 PM  

what_now: Yeah, I think this has reached crisis point and he realizes that Congress won't do a damn thing about it.


This has been the case for years now; it's a shame it's taken so long for Obama to recognise this reality and respond accordingly.
 
2014-07-25 12:22:31 PM  
In Obama's world, Congress is only doing something if it's the thing he happens to want done. If it's counter to His Imperial Wisdom, then Congress isn't doing anything.

See how that works?

Now, before his Highness ascended the throne, there used to be this thing legislatures and Presidents did to arrive at laws in the best interest of the nature. They used to negotiate and compromise. But Obama ended all of that. Too inefficient. Sucking up too much time from golf and fundraising. Now he just runs the show, if he feels so inclined, of course.
 
2014-07-25 12:25:24 PM  

chiett: Obama changed his mind (or Lied the first time).

I for one am STUNNED! SHOCKED!


I find it hard to fault a person for changing their position over time. If you do it repeatedly and over a very short time (unless there is a sudden revalation of new information) you will look like a Kerry-eque flip-flopper.

With the exception however if your position was ever one of pure evil such as: a onetime member of WBC or the KKK.  If you were ever THAT wrong, I will always view your opinion as jaded at best.
 
2014-07-25 12:27:14 PM  
Another crappy Politico article.  Hooray.
 
2014-07-25 12:28:39 PM  

Totally Sharky Complete: [i219.photobucket.com image 590x421]


I'm pretty sure by definition you don't want the President going to the border with a gun attempting to stop people from crossing.
 
2014-07-25 12:31:00 PM  
Ooh, now do the one about Congress then and now!

You mean people change based on the situation? And Obama's trying to let people do their job, even though they refuse?

I'm shocked. This is truly remarkable. I propose shutting down the government again to think about what we've done.
 
2014-07-25 12:33:09 PM  

Destructor: They used to negotiate and compromise. But Obama ended all of that.


i293.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-25 12:35:00 PM  

Totally Sharky Complete: [i219.photobucket.com image 590x421]


Yet they keep coming. Looks like Perry is weak.
 
2014-07-25 12:35:10 PM  

Triple Oak: Ooh, now do the one about Congress then and now!

You mean people change based on the situation? And Obama's trying to let people do their job, even though they refuse?

I'm shocked. This is truly remarkable. I propose shutting down the government again to think about what we've done.


I think the point was he said there was nothing he could do.

Now he's saying he can do things.
 
2014-07-25 12:55:30 PM  

DeaH: I wonder if the Executive Branch could counter-sue the House for failing to provide funding for laws it passed, making it impossible for the Executive Branch to fulfill its duties?


It would get thrown out- the House controls spending.  Its a check against the executive branch.
 
2014-07-25 12:57:56 PM  

MindStalker: Totally Sharky Complete: [i219.photobucket.com image 590x421]

I'm pretty sure by definition you don't want the President going to the border with a gun attempting to stop people from crossing.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think these kids were even trying to evade the border patrol. Stepping up enforcement is not a solution to the problem of too many people turning themselves in.
 
2014-07-25 01:02:57 PM  

bobothemagnificent: DeaH: I wonder if the Executive Branch could counter-sue the House for failing to provide funding for laws it passed, making it impossible for the Executive Branch to fulfill its duties?

It would get thrown out- the House controls spending.  Its a check against the executive branch.


That's sort of the point - the House passed a law that makes it impossible for the Executive to enforce - they are messing with the Executive powers now.
 
2014-07-25 01:05:21 PM  

Totally Sharky Complete: [i219.photobucket.com image 590x421]


How many children do you think Perry could take out with a tank?  Just give me a WAG, it doesn't need to be precise.
 
2014-07-25 01:05:42 PM  

Cletus C.: Triple Oak: Ooh, now do the one about Congress then and now!

You mean people change based on the situation? And Obama's trying to let people do their job, even though they refuse?

I'm shocked. This is truly remarkable. I propose shutting down the government again to think about what we've done.

I think the point was he said there was nothing he could do.

Now he's saying he can do things.


"Look, everyone who thinks I overstep my bounds with executive orders, these problems can be solved in Congress."

"So Congress isn't doing anything at all, I guess I have to issue executive orders now. Complain away."
 
2014-07-25 01:43:18 PM  

Triple Oak: Cletus C.: Triple Oak: Ooh, now do the one about Congress then and now!

You mean people change based on the situation? And Obama's trying to let people do their job, even though they refuse?

I'm shocked. This is truly remarkable. I propose shutting down the government again to think about what we've done.

I think the point was he said there was nothing he could do.

Now he's saying he can do things.

"Look, everyone who thinks I overstep my bounds with executive orders, these problems can be solved in Congress."

"So Congress isn't doing anything at all, I guess I have to issue executive orders now. Complain away."


Noooo, you're still not getting it.

Look at it this way: Obama says I would love to do something but my hands are tied. Later Obama does something and people say I thought your hands were tied.

You explain that by saying Congress untied his hands. Does that sound like something this Congress would do?
 
2014-07-25 02:58:25 PM  
Granting a deferred deportation order to a very specific group of people here illegally is light years away from 'stopping all deportations' or 'granting legal status to every illegal immigrant in the country'. Obama 'then' said he couldn't do the latter two things. What he's done is not departing much at all from that.
 
2014-07-25 08:37:47 PM  
You sure can tell a lot about a politics tab thread by looking at the post count.
 
2014-07-25 09:24:08 PM  
This is specifically what Politico is biatching about. This is what Obama said in 2010:

"Actually I don't," Obama responded. [to a shouted question] "If, in fact, I could solve all these problems without passing laws in Congress, then I would do so. But we're also a nation of laws. That's part of our tradition. And so the easy way out is to try to yell and pretend like I can do something by violating our laws."
A month later, Vice President Joe Biden said Obama's options were limited.
"What I get all the time is, 'Well, look, since the system is broken, and Congress won't fix it, why don't you just suspend everything?" Biden said. "The president doesn't have the authority to do that."


This is what Obama is saying in 2014--four years later:

"I take executive action only when we have a serious problem, a serious issue, and Congress chooses to do nothing," Obama said last month in his Rose Garden announcement. "And in this situation, the failure of House Republicans to pass a darn bill is bad for our security, it's bad for our economy, and it's bad for our future."

Politico is choosing to interpret Obama's prior statement to mean he was saying "I can do nothing; the law forbids me to do anything," and his current statement to mean "I was lying before, I can do anything, I was just waffling before."

However, the bolded portions of both statements show that even if you limit it to Politico's cherrypicked statements, this is not true. In 2010, Obama was still hoping for cooperation from Congress, to pass immigration reform that would address the issue. He could not do anything because Congress had not yet acted. Fast-forward four years, and by their inaction, Congress has demonstrated their refusal to cooperate. The President may now act "without passing laws in Congress" just as he said he could in 2010. As he said he WOULD do in 2010, if he could not pass laws in Congress.

Congress and their media apologists want it both ways: They want to continue to be stubbornly intransigent, and also for Obama to be a do-nothing president who can't and won't act. If he waits for them to do their job, he's refusing to lead; if he acts without their consent, he's being a tyrant. In this case, they're not going to succeed by cherrypicking quotes. He stated clearly that if he could solve the problem without passing laws, he would. Congress would not pass any laws. Therefore, the President will bypass them to solve the problem. This isn't a flip-flop, this is leadership.

Isn't that what they wanted?
 
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