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2014-07-25 11:20:00 AM  
Dotting the one i-ed monster?
 
2014-07-25 11:45:35 AM  
First of all, just let me say: Not sports.

But more to the point, I can kind of see both sides? I wouldn't want anyone to be FORCED into participating in these "highly sexualized rituals." I didn't see anything in the article about forced participation, but that doesn't mean it wasn't forced (triple negative?).

But on the other hand.... chances are, this group is made up of adults. College is (thankfully) not high school. I marched for 4 years in college and we had a lot of fun. I don't think the director needed to lose his job over it because he knew & didn't do anything to stop it. But the PR move is more popular than the "let's actually solve the problem" move, so..... see ya elsewhere, dinosaur-moving guy.
 
2014-07-25 03:27:15 PM  
Look, the director had SOME standards. Apparently, he didn't allow any rusty trombones.
 
2014-07-25 03:27:37 PM  
College students having sex? How long has this been going on?
 
2014-07-25 03:31:14 PM  
By :highly sexualized" they really mean "rape"

But their lawyers told them not to say that directly, because that would make the school legally liable. Because they've run a student rape factory for decades.
 
2014-07-25 03:33:34 PM  
REPEAT:

http://m.fark.com/comments/8349423
 
2014-07-25 03:34:27 PM  
College. So 18 years old and above. Adults. That is all.
 
2014-07-25 03:36:14 PM  

p the boiler: College. So 18 years old and above. Adults. That is all.


Forcing students into participating in sexual activities they do not want to perform under threat of official punishment from the band director is not ok
 
2014-07-25 03:36:17 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: REPEAT:

http://m.fark.com/comments/8349423


It's a follow up. That way we can talk about band members practicing their solos, working on their duets, trios and quartets together, and in many other ways close our eyes and smell the heady perfume of young gonad sweat permeating well-pressed uniforms.
 
2014-07-25 03:41:05 PM  

Lost Thought 00: By :highly sexualized" they really mean "rape"

But their lawyers told them not to say that directly, because that would make the school legally liable. Because they've run a student rape factory for decades.


que?
 
2014-07-25 04:00:08 PM  
Stupid story is stupid. I hope the President at OSU falls down the stairs
 
2014-07-25 04:01:10 PM  

Di Atribe: First of all, just let me say: Not sports.


Neither's rasslin', and they put that on this tab.
 
2014-07-25 04:05:33 PM  

Gonz: Di Atribe: First of all, just let me say: Not sports.

Neither's rasslin', and they put that on this tab.


I am compelled to point it out every time. Someday, I'll get over it. Someday.


Lost Thought 00: Forcing students into participating in sexual activities they do not want to perform under threat of official punishment from the band director is not ok


Hm. Nothing about forcing & official punishment was mentioned in the article. Of course, that's a very different story. The incidents mentioned in the link seem pretty tame.
 
2014-07-25 04:16:58 PM  
So I'm reading the report, and came across this on page 7:

A male student conducting a full-body demonstration of a flaccid penis becoming erect and spitting candy.

Can one of you youngsters explain what the hell this is all about? Is the penis "spitting candy," and is that some kind of euphemism? Or is the student spitting candy, and if so, why is this part of the act? Talk about a dangling (ha!) modifier.
 
2014-07-25 04:20:25 PM  
That prancing dude in the boots and Tower Guard hat looks like he's been sexualized by a LOT of dudes.  Look at the way he runs!
 
2014-07-25 04:21:20 PM  

Lost Thought 00: p the boiler: College. So 18 years old and above. Adults. That is all.

Forcing students into participating in sexual activities they do not want to perform under threat of official punishment from the band director is not ok


They joined the marching band.  They knew it to be a pit of perversion
 
2014-07-25 04:22:33 PM  

Di Atribe: First of all, just let me say: Not sports.



Ever seen what happens in the background of a marching band's performance?  You know, while they're playing in the stands, sometimes a few dudes take the field and toss a ball around.  Maybe that counts?
 
2014-07-25 04:25:27 PM  

Derwood: Stupid story is stupid. I hope the President at OSU falls down the stairs


No, even better... he should be forced to prance around campus during the 1st days of classes, wearing only a pair of women's Michigan labeled panties
 
2014-07-25 04:33:10 PM  

airsupport: Ever seen what happens in the background of a marching band's performance? You know, while they're playing in the stands, sometimes a few dudes take the field and toss a ball around. Maybe that counts?


Do you realize that marching bands don't need a football game in order to perform? I did marching band for 10 years. I know what's involved. It's a sport in the way that figure skating is a sport. You practice, you train, you work your ass off. You go to compete & while certain technical things are graded, ultimately it's a subjective judge deciding who wins. It's more performance art than anything else.
 
2014-07-25 04:47:18 PM  
Most of it is typical band behavior or drama club for that matter.

The one that gave me the creeps was the sister sitting on her younger brother's lap and having to pretend to orgasm. ***Shudder***
 
2014-07-25 04:55:01 PM  

Di Atribe: airsupport: Ever seen what happens in the background of a marching band's performance? You know, while they're playing in the stands, sometimes a few dudes take the field and toss a ball around. Maybe that counts?

Do you realize that marching bands don't need a football game in order to perform? I did marching band for 10 years. I know what's involved. It's a sport in the way that figure skating is a sport. You practice, you train, you work your ass off. You go to compete & while certain technical things are graded, ultimately it's a subjective judge deciding who wins. It's more performance art than anything else.


But it is deeply embedded in sports culture.
 
2014-07-25 04:58:51 PM  

laughin: Most of it is typical band behavior or drama club for that matter.

The one that gave me the creeps was the sister sitting on her younger brother's lap and having to pretend to orgasm. ***Shudder***


I bet she did !
 
2014-07-25 05:00:04 PM  

Super Chronic: So I'm reading the report, and came across this on page 7:

A male student conducting a full-body demonstration of a flaccid penis becoming erect and spitting candy.

Can one of you youngsters explain what the hell this is all about? Is the penis "spitting candy," and is that some kind of euphemism? Or is the student spitting candy, and if so, why is this part of the act? Talk about a dangling (ha!) modifier.


Farkshiat! Until about 30 second ago I was very happy with my penis. We've built a nice little life together, or so I had thought.

Now I'm all, you have never spit candy for me. What gives?

If this is retaliation over the circumcision thing, I've told you a million times, I had nothing to do with that!
 
2014-07-25 05:04:48 PM  

laughin: Most of it is typical band behavior or drama club for that matter.

The one that gave me the creeps was the sister sitting on her younger brother's lap and having to pretend to orgasm. ***Shudder***


They dont pretend when they are alone.


Still not as bad as this though http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/02/13-charged-in-hazing-death-flori d a-am-university-band-member/

Kinda dumb for the kids to let it go as far as it did seems like every year every class has to try and out do the last one with the stuff they pull.
 
2014-07-25 05:13:44 PM  

Super Chronic: So I'm reading the report, and came across this on page 7:

A male student conducting a full-body demonstration of a flaccid penis becoming erect and spitting candy.

Can one of you youngsters explain what the hell this is all about? Is the penis "spitting candy," and is that some kind of euphemism? Or is the student spitting candy, and if so, why is this part of the act? Talk about a dangling (ha!) modifier.


i would assume that the male used his full body to demonstrate a penis going from flaccid (perhaps he was leaning over with floppy arms) to erect (standing straight up) and then spitting candy (i'm assuming something like tic-tacs) to simulation, well you know...
 
2014-07-25 05:17:42 PM  

A Fark Handle: Super Chronic: So I'm reading the report, and came across this on page 7:

A male student conducting a full-body demonstration of a flaccid penis becoming erect and spitting candy.

Can one of you youngsters explain what the hell this is all about? Is the penis "spitting candy," and is that some kind of euphemism? Or is the student spitting candy, and if so, why is this part of the act? Talk about a dangling (ha!) modifier.

i would assume that the male used his full body to demonstrate a penis going from flaccid (perhaps he was leaning over with floppy arms) to erect (standing straight up) and then spitting candy (i'm assuming something like tic-tacs) to simulation, well you know...


Oh, I see. Seriously, I did not get that. Bad reading comprehension on my part. I've had more coffee since then so it won't happen again today.
 
2014-07-25 05:18:49 PM  
...but then why did he use candy and not vanilla yogurt???
 
2014-07-25 05:22:40 PM  

Super Chronic: ...but then why did he use candy and not vanilla yogurt???


College kids. They still have much to learn.

And also, thanks for asking because I was confused, too.
 
2014-07-25 05:26:06 PM  
By :highly sexualized" they really mean "rape"
But their lawyers told them not to say that directly, because that would make the school legally liable. Because they've run a student rape factory for decades.


Interesting take, considering nothing even remotely close to that is reported. All I read were some typical college hijinks.
I guess you read what you want to read.
 
2014-07-25 05:30:06 PM  

Di Atribe: Super Chronic: ...but then why did he use candy and not vanilla yogurt???

College kids. They still have much to learn.

And also, thanks for asking because I was confused, too.


What would you rather clean up afterwards? 20 tic tacs or a mouth full of yogurt you just launched all over yourself and the nearby area
 
2014-07-25 05:31:15 PM  

doubled99: Interesting take, considering nothing even remotely close to that is reported.


Penn StateII
 
2014-07-25 05:34:46 PM  

mikaloyd: What would you rather clean up afterwards? 20 tic tacs or a mouth full of yogurt you just launched all over yourself and the nearby area


Me? That's what freshmen are for.
 
2014-07-25 05:35:39 PM  
Was there a spit valve involved?
 
2014-07-25 05:49:50 PM  
LOLOL, this asshole graduated a just ahead of me in High School. My hometown treats him like Elvis. last week they even put up signs on the main drag announcing that John Waters called it his hometown. He always was a gigantic prick who thought he was the second coming because of his gig with the OSU band. OSU decided he wasn't worth the liability. I read the original report from OSU and he was in damage control mode for about a month. If you get a chance, read it. With colleges going berserk with sexual harassment and rape issues I'm honestly not surprised. I generally try to not to revel in other people's misfortunes but this really could not have happened to a bigger asshole.

/My town is taking down the signs next week.
 
2014-07-25 05:59:32 PM  
No one was "forced" to do anything. Columbus sports radio has fielded hundreds of calls from band members (past and present) who said nothing was forced, and there were no negative consequences to sitting out of these rituals.
 
2014-07-25 06:06:16 PM  

Lost Thought 00: By :highly sexualized" they really mean "rape"

But their lawyers told them not to say that directly, because that would make the school legally liable. Because they've run a student rape factory for decades.


Yes, we all know Ohio State has fraternities and sororities.  What does that have to do with the marching band?
 
2014-07-25 06:23:09 PM  
Concerned parents?  Aren't these college students legal adults?
 
2014-07-25 06:31:54 PM  
Um, that's basically marching band, as far as I've heard from anyone who's been in one.
 
2014-07-25 06:48:12 PM  
Wow, as a Michigan fan I now no longer have anything complimentary to say about that school. You know which school, a college in the state of Ohio.
 
2014-07-25 06:48:30 PM  

lordjupiter: Concerned parents?  Aren't these college students legal adults?


Soret of. Parents can still be held liable for kids in college's activities if they do harm. Say light a car on fire or bust up a bar or get a credit card and run the balance to the moon.. Also parents paying child support do so through college in most places. so kind of sort of. If they were working rather than in school they would be full adults at those ages and no skin off their parents backs.
 
2014-07-25 07:04:13 PM  

lordjupiter: Concerned parents?  Aren't these college students legal adults?


my parents still are concerned about me though i'm long out of college.  granted they haven't called in a report on anyone, but the rumor is the "concern" never goes away.
 
2014-07-25 07:09:52 PM  

trotsky: LOLOL, this asshole graduated a just ahead of me in High School. My hometown treats him like Elvis. last week they even put up signs on the main drag announcing that John Waters called it his hometown. He always was a gigantic prick who thought he was the second coming because of his gig with the OSU band. OSU decided he wasn't worth the liability. I read the original report from OSU and he was in damage control mode for about a month. If you get a chance, read it. With colleges going berserk with sexual harassment and rape issues I'm honestly not surprised. I generally try to not to revel in other people's misfortunes but this really could not have happened to a bigger asshole.

/My town is taking down the signs next week.


stopfreekeene.files.wordpress.com

/ prick or not, dude put together freaking EPIC haftimes ...
// HAIL, HAIL TO  MICHIGAN - THE CESSPOOL OF THE WORLD
/// the entire State of Ohio knows those lyrics by heart
 
2014-07-25 07:39:59 PM  
Never marched in college, but it sounds almost exactly like my high-school marching experience.  My only caveat is that, while no one may have been explicitly forced to participate, the desire to be accepted by your peers, especially in a close-knit organization, often leads to people doing things they might prefer not to do.  Particularly when those things are presented as "traditions" or "rituals."

I know I just used a lot of words to describe "peer pressure," but I feel that people either take that term too seriously or dismiss it out of hand.  The same way the term "bully(ing)" seems to be treated lately.

I consider myself fairly individualistic and I still felt guilty for objecting to certain activities (mostly based on safety issues).

/ It always amuses me that the primary corrupting influences in my adolescence came from Boy Scouts and catholic-school band.
// And I thank my parents every day for making me a part of them.
/// The BSA executives may be over-conservative, over-religious douches but most of the folks doing hands-on work are cool, down-to-earth people.
/// Slashies!
 
2014-07-25 07:58:19 PM  
It's A Dirty Shame that this happened, and it sounds like the administration is being a Cry-Baby. It's not like anyone was showing his Pecker or sexually abusing any Pink Flamingos. This whole situation just sounds like Female Trouble. Really, though, are marching bands really Mondo Trasho? At least the uniforms aren't made of Polyester.

/wait, you mean it isn't THAT John Waters?
//oh well
///triple slashies
 
2014-07-25 08:34:10 PM  
Geez. The most exciting thing that happened in my high school band was that the girls' wrap-around skirts would occasionally unwrap.
 
2014-07-25 08:37:12 PM  

cheezitmojo: It's A Dirty Shame that this happened, and it sounds like the administration is being a Cry-Baby. It's not like anyone was showing his Pecker or sexually abusing any Pink Flamingos. This whole situation just sounds like Female Trouble. Really, though, are marching bands really Mondo Trasho? At least the uniforms aren't made of Polyester.

/wait, you mean it isn't THAT John Waters?
//oh well
///triple slashies


That was Divine!

/+1
 
2014-07-25 09:27:51 PM  

jbrad47128: Derwood: Stupid story is stupid. I hope the President at OSU falls down the stairs

No, even better... he should be forced to prance around campus during the 1st days of classes, wearing only a pair of women's Michigan labeled panties


What Michigan panties might look like.

images.hankypanky.com
 
2014-07-25 10:50:01 PM  
Di Atribe:  I did marching band for 10 years.

Tell me some dirty dirty band stories you naughty minx
 
2014-07-26 12:09:59 AM  

mikaloyd: lordjupiter: Concerned parents?  Aren't these college students legal adults?

Soret of. Parents can still be held liable for kids in college's activities if they do harm. Say light a car on fire or bust up a bar or get a credit card and run the balance to the moon.. Also parents paying child support do so through college in most places. so kind of sort of. If they were working rather than in school they would be full adults at those ages and no skin off their parents backs.


Unless there's some other additional agreement of liability in writing between the school and the parents I don't see how that's legally possible.  A legal adult is a legal adult.  But I'm not talking about liability anyway.  I'm talking about concerned parents continuing to try and shelter their adult age children from sexual situations.  If all of these band members were in their 30s what would their parents say?  Probably nothing, except maybe blaming their own kids for acting like typical co-eds.  And unless there's some clear sexual assualt that goes beyond persuasion or peer pressure, this issue with "sexualization" sounds like typical helicopter parents crashing the experimental college scene.
 
2014-07-26 03:44:17 AM  
As someone who has seen the fallout of the "culture" at another Big Ten school, I am glad they stopped this when they did.  However, I do not believe this guy needed to lose his job because some mother or father was upset.

On the OTHER hand, this saddens me greatly.  I am a HUGE band geek, and played with the Penn State Basketball Pep Band for two years.  The director we had was amazingly talented.  Because this guy was fired, the chances of seeing anything like this, or THIS again.
 
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