If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(CNN)   UN Secretary General to Hamas and Israeli forces: "This is wrong. You must stop fighting." Of course both sides lay down their weapons and hug each other   (cnn.com) divider line 34
    More: Unlikely, Gaza, dispute, Ben-Gurion, Israeli Security Forces, United Nations Relief, FAA, cease-fire  
•       •       •

828 clicks; posted to Main » on 25 Jul 2014 at 6:07 PM (12 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



Voting Results (Smartest)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

2014-07-25 06:37:26 PM  
3 votes:

Someothermonkey: trotsky: I am to the point with this that I wish Israel would just flatten the shiat out of everything. Go full Mongolian. fark it. Pave it over and use it as a airstrip or race track or something. Sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6PNc9KN50M

They much already are. But it's refreshing, in it's own sick and twisted way, to see those defending Israel crimes against humanity come right out in favour of genocide, instead of their usual tip-toeing around it.


By all accounts, the largest estimated death toll is 848 Palestinians.

PRO-TIP: 848 dead does not a "genocide" make.

And ya' know what else? That 848 would be a lot lower if Hamas could refrain from using the Palestinian populace as human shields.
2014-07-25 06:17:03 PM  
3 votes:
Hamas is evil in that they are so very willing to encourage civilian casualties as a side-effect of their belligerent activity against Israel and Israel is evil because they are so very very willing to oblige Hamas in this respect, and even encourage continued mutual belligerence.

I almost wish I could engineer a pox that attacked people who are so full of hate, except I guess that actually wanting to do so would be a bit of a suicide attack.
2014-07-25 11:50:56 AM  
3 votes:
Charge both Netanyahu and Meshaal with war crimes.

Arrest them
2014-07-26 09:43:08 AM  
2 votes:

Resident Muslim: Israel is always trying to portray itself as a victim.
It is constantly sending missiles into Gaza and then crying foul when the Palestinians do the same.


BS. Israel fires on Gaza as a response to palestinians firing on Israel. Why do you ignore this little fact ?

Resident Muslim: Hundreds of civilian Palestinians are killed in any operation, and your response is that they should be better protecting themselves?


No, i'm saying very clearly that Hamas doesn't give a flying fark about their civilians and they focus all their resources on the 'death to the jews' department. If they instead built bomb shelters, and as you can clearly see they have the means to do so, the palestinian civilian death toll would be minimal. But Hamas' goal is to have as many dead palestinian civilians as possible.

Resident Muslim: Explain to me what logic is it when you kill hundreds of civilians and starve and terrorize thousands, yet still claim to be a victim?


I'm sorry, having Israel bombed on an hourly basis in unacceptable. Israel does whatever any other country would do in its position, defend its civilians.  Israel attempts to limit civilian casualties in lengths which are unparalleled in warfare history, Hamas puts every effort to increase palestinians civilian casualties, in fact they are proud of it.

You still haven't addressed your idiotic logic ("look..look.. only so few of them die!"), so I ask again:

This retarded logic always amazes me.
Israel has sophisticated alarm systems, bomb shelters almost under every house and israelis are trained to run for cover in seconds when the alarms sound. It's not as if the palestinians are not trying, they try very very hard to murder as many israeli civilians as possible. There should have been zero deaths, if you notice the dead and seriously wounded are usually kids or elderly who didn't run fast enough to the bomb shelter when the alarms started.

Tell me, if I bomb your city with thousands of missiles but you'll be in your bomb shelter because you ran for your life for the 15 seconds you get to do so, you'll just shrug it off ? see, no one died! it was nothing. Your children won't be affected in any way, right ? no harm done, no need to do something to prevent the hourly bombardment of your city.

Please explain this logic to me, i'm honestly curious.

Resident Muslim: You told me to throw rocks at soldiers and see what happens. Agreed. The result would not end pleasantly.
Can you tell me where in THE WORLD do you ever see kids throwing rocks at soldiers?


Yes, everywhere insanely stupid mothers send their children to throw rocks at soldiers and are very proud of it.

Resident Muslim: Where in the world does that even make sense to do such a thing? And by a kid nonetheless?


When it creates a great photo-op. Hey, it fooled you didn't it ?

Resident Muslim: Mondoweiss is Arab propaganda? Or was the author Arab and I didn't notice?


The 'look..look.. the rockets and missiles are doing absolutely nothing, why is Israel shooting at us' is classic arab propaganda BS. Realty is actually the polar opposite as i clearly proved.

Resident Muslim: I honestly hope there were no civilian casualties in that.


I was very very clear: there were zero deaths because israelis run to the bomb shelters when the alarm sounds. You were 'shocked' that there are so few israeli casualties from palestinians missiles, now you know why and why your idiotic logic of comparison to the palestinian number of casualties is an insult to anyone's intelligence.

Resident Muslim: Here is a GIS for Gaza timed to the last week. See what it looks like


I know what it looks like, I also know who is to blame for It. If Hamas stopped lobbing rocket at Israel in the next 5min, Israel would stop firing on Gaza in the next 5 min.

Resident Muslim: Those tunnels are for murdering Israelis?


Yes. Tunnels that go from Gaza and exit under Israel. They use it to enter Israel and murder israelis. So far they tried (and failed) about 4 times in the last week or so.
Here's an example of one.

Resident Muslim: How many Israelis were murdered? Where do the lead to-from?


Again with this idiotic logic. They weren't killed because they were stopped by Israel, killed successfully before they could murder or like in this case kidnap israelis.

Resident Muslim: Excuse my ignorance.


Glad I could be of assistance. Feel free to ask any more questions.

Resident Muslim: You think those Israelis are native?

Imagine living in your home. Now someone (depending on which version you take either a) an attacker b) a roommate c) a renter ) takes over your home and forces you and your family into the basement. Then controls when and if you get access to the kitchen and bathroom. How would you feel? Every time you try to resist, you and your family get beaten up.
Now the squatter has taken over your deed, and whenever the cops get involved, they tell you that you should be grateful to have a basement to live in, regardless out what filth, squalor and hunger you and your family end up in. And by the way, stop fighting the (new) homeowner.


You basically ignored every major fact and event related to the region in the last 2 centuries.
Where to begin ? jews always had a presence in Israel, jews bought land to settle in Israel, they accepted the Partition Plan, the arabs rejected it, every major change in Israel territory was a result of arabs attempting to destroy Israel, both PLO and Hamas are committed to the eradication of Israel and so on etc..

Resident Muslim: again, I ask you, where in the world do you see kids throwing rocks at soldiers? Not police mind you, soldiers


Again I answer:  everywhere insanely stupid mothers send their children to throw rocks at armed soldiers.

Resident Muslim: Knowing full well what happens if they are caught


Yes, it makes great photo-op opportunities. Fooled you didn't it ?

Resident Muslim: you see logic in that?


Yes since Hamas explained it quite clearly. Now that is some farked up mentality.

By the way, what do you say about what is happening all over the arab/muslim world today ? muslims slaughtering other muslims of a slightly different sect. What is the death toll in Syria nowdays ? 170,000 ? in Iraq ? Libya ?
2014-07-26 06:41:13 AM  
2 votes:
Saladin: Will you yield the city?

Balian of Ibelin: Before I lose it, I will burn it to the ground. Your holy places - ours. Every last thing in Jerusalem that drives men mad.

Saladin: I wonder if it would not be better if you did.


i.imgur.com
2014-07-25 09:38:28 PM  
2 votes:

Eshkar: nubzers: Eshkar: nubzers: Bit'O'Gristle: nubzers: Bit'O'Gristle: 1. Hamas wants Israel for its "holy" areas.
2. Hamas lobs unguided rockets into Israel blowing up random buildings and injuring and killing civilians.
3. Hamas uses civilian buildings for cover to fire their derp rockets.
4. Israel gets tired of being bombed, so they fire back at the area the rockets are coming from, or, when they get pissed enough, invade Gaza and do a house to house trying to root out the religious nut jobs who are trying to kill them.
5. Everyone gets pissed at Israel for killing civilians, even though they use guided munitions, where Hamas uses unguided "hope this kills someone" rockets."
6. Hamas posts vids of dead kids, wailing mothers, and distraught fathers gnashing their teeth over a shredded body, and tout how the Israel government are all monsters who murder children.
7. Everyone flames Israel.

(feel free to add more if i missed anything, I'm sure i have.)

8. Israel flames schools with white phosphorus.

9. Israel kills mostly children and "woops we thought it was empty since no one answered at 3 am"

Israel has committed war crimes. Hamas is a terrorist organization. And you pea brained idiots think since they are terrorists it means no holds barred. You are the same retards who think it's ok to torture people or flatten civilian towns because "they hate us for our freedoms." Get out. No seriously, get out. I didn't fight for five years to protect people like you. People who literally made everything far more difficult then it should have been over there in Iraq and Afghanistan with the bullshiat you spew. Israel has completely and utterly shiat the bed when it comes to dealing with the Palestinians. You know how you show them your not monsters? By not behaving like monsters and hiding behind legal technicalities for the law of ground warfare. You want to stop the rockets? Get in there on the ground, you stay there, you maintain peace, improve their lives, work with the local lead ...

Well... we do have boots on the ground now.  We are currently running an anti-insurgency operation... As I said the bombing were used to drive them to the ground.  Israeli soldiers have been in Gaza for the past week performing anti-insurgency efforts and tracking mile and miles of terror tunnels.


It's counter insurgency, not anti. Mostly semantics, but I get the feeling English isn't your primary language. Not trying to criticize, just trying to understand if that's the reason we are having a breakdown in communication. Also, who the hell called them terror tunnels? Is that like freedom fries? Anyway, you tell me when Israel sends more than a token force starts providing humanitarian aid, stops restricting freedom of movement, and starts demonstrating with actions that they are morally superior and can provide a better life. Then I'll start believing that Israel isn't just a country with a grudge.
2014-07-25 08:53:32 PM  
2 votes:

Eshkar: Let me spell this out for you Marine... you don't understand the situation on the ground. What you experienced in Afghanistan is different from what is occurring in Israel. In Iraq and Afghanistan the US bombed the crap out of both theaters before boots touched the ground... how many innocent civilians died? Israel did the same, we weren't sending soldiers in to conduct a proper counter insurgency until Hamas was drove to ground... well for them underground. Israeli Pilots have standing orders that they can call off attacks if they see or suspect civilians are present... and they have many many times. The problem is a lot of the time a rocket is fired the jet goes in and the pilot sees heat signature in the building.. .but since they just launched a terrorist rocket at his house or neighbors house he is going to fire unless he sees proof something that makes him believe there are civilians in that house. If Hamas is making civilians stay in that house it isn't the pilots or Israel's fault... it is Hamas' fault. Sadly bad shiat happens in war, but hopefully these poor people will soon be freed from Hamas and allowed to live a full life free of oppression.


BS BS BS.
Israel is in complete denial of the fact that it is illegally occupying the territories and subjugating the Palestinian people. Yes, there exists an element of self-defense in their actions but that does not matter one wit to most of the individuals who now live in the occupied territories. The individuals who were born in the occupied territories deserve better than they get under the Israeli occupation.

Israel is under threat from multiple powers in the region. That does not change anything for a person living in the occupied territories. They are under threat from Israel. The situation requires transcendence. Tit for tat, eye or an eye 'justice' resolves nothing.
2014-07-25 08:00:29 PM  
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: 1. Hamas wants Israel for its "holy" areas.
2. Hamas lobs unguided rockets into Israel blowing up random buildings and injuring and killing civilians.
3. Hamas uses civilian buildings for cover to fire their derp rockets.
4. Israel gets tired of being bombed, so they fire back at the area the rockets are coming from, or, when they get pissed enough, invade Gaza and do a house to house trying to root out the religious nut jobs who are trying to kill them.
5. Everyone gets pissed at Israel for killing civilians, even though they use guided munitions, where Hamas uses unguided "hope this kills someone" rockets."
6. Hamas posts vids of dead kids, wailing mothers, and distraught fathers gnashing their teeth over a shredded body, and tout how the Israel government are all monsters who murder children.
7. Everyone flames Israel.

(feel free to add more if i missed anything, I'm sure i have.)


8. Israel flames schools with white phosphorus.

9. Israel kills mostly children and "woops we thought it was empty since no one answered at 3 am"

Israel has committed war crimes. Hamas is a terrorist organization. And you pea brained idiots think since they are terrorists it means no holds barred. You are the same retards who think it's ok to torture people or flatten civilian towns because "they hate us for our freedoms." Get out. No seriously, get out. I didn't fight for five years to protect people like you. People who literally made everything far more difficult then it should have been over there in Iraq and Afghanistan with the bullshiat you spew. Israel has completely and utterly shiat the bed when it comes to dealing with the Palestinians. You know how you show them your not monsters? By not behaving like monsters and hiding behind legal technicalities for the law of ground warfare. You want to stop the rockets? Get in there on the ground, you stay there, you maintain peace, improve their lives, work with the local leaders, and you never ever lose your shiat when one of your own dies. COIN ops 101. Israel has not and does not want to do the right thing, so why are we still supporting them?
2014-07-25 07:29:26 PM  
2 votes:
"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."
-Golda Meir
2014-07-25 06:14:51 PM  
2 votes:
Question. Would subby prefer a UN with the military muscle to enforce its mandates?

If the UN was ever able to exercise more power than strongly-worded letters, Americans would go guanopsychotic.
2014-07-25 06:13:54 PM  
2 votes:
If there was a God/Allah/Yahweh he/she would've sent a radioactive meteor to the Middle East 5000 years ago.
2014-07-25 12:28:08 PM  
2 votes:
But then someone from Gaza threw a pencil at Bibi and the IDF shouted SELF DEFENSE while pouring white phosphorous on a completely unrelated family who were tied to the chair while the rest of the UN nodded in assent and sympathy.
2014-07-25 12:18:18 PM  
2 votes:

vernonFL: Charge both Netanyahu and Meshaal with war crimes.

Arrest them


This...isn't a bad idea.
2014-07-26 06:36:15 PM  
1 votes:

Resident Muslim: If I'm not mistaken:
1) shows infrared signature of people huddling against attacks. Couldn't see anything more than that
2) agreed. Indoctrination with someone on a loudspeaker with kids gathered to watch the launch. This definitely puts the kids at risk of a retaliation attack
3) you see kids huddling against the wall (I'm guessing to avoid live fire based on how fast the armed guy was running). The lone kid hiding behind a thin column is snatched up and presumably taken to a safe(r) position.


Bahahaha...ahaha!.. oh man. Thanks, i needed the laugh.
Well, what can you expect ? why accept facts when you can lie to yourself ?

Hamas saying "yes. we use our own civilians as human shields and by Allah we are damn proud of it!" is what exactly ? come on, come up with another lying excuse.
Be creative.
2014-07-26 06:00:52 AM  
1 votes:

Resident Muslim: I understand that Israel is defending against the rockets coming from Gaza.
I just found it interesting when I looked up how many people have died from these rocket attacks, the answer shocked me.
Since 2001: 28.

How many people died in Gaza yesterday?


This retarded logic always amazes me.
Israel has sophisticated alarm systems, bomb shelters almost under every house and israelis are trained to run for cover in seconds when the alarms sound. It's not as if the palestinians are not trying, they try very very hard to murder as many israeli civilians as possible. There should have been zero deaths, if you notice the dead and seriously wounded are usually kids or elderly who didn't run fast enough to the bomb shelter when the alarms started.

Tell me, if I bomb your city with thousands of missiles but you'll be in your bomb shelter because you ran for your life for the 15 seconds you get to do so, you'll just shrug it off ? see, no one died! it was nothing. Your children won't be affected in any way, right ? no harm done, no need to do something to prevent the hourly bombardment of your city.

Please explain this logic to me, i'm honestly curious.

Resident Muslim: Now do these ones:


Do you compare kids captured for throwing rocks at soldiers to Hamas' use of their own civilians as human shields ?.. hahha...hahahaha!
Go throw a rock at an armed soldier anywhere else, let me know how it worked out.

Resident Muslim: In case you are wondering where I got the number of rockets casualties and ask for a citation:
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/rocket-deaths-israel.html


Ah.. nothing like good old arab propaganda. Why not post what actually happens when a palestinian missile hits a house ?

www.cbn.com

cdn.timesofisrael.com

www.jpost.com

images1.calcalist.co.il

And there were zero deaths! shocking isn't it ? you know why ? because the civilians were in their bomb shelters.
If only Hamas did the same and protected their civilians but they choose to invest their construction expertise in carefully constructed tunnels for the purpose of murdering jews:

images1.ynet.co.il

 interesting set of priorities don't you agree ?
2014-07-25 09:29:29 PM  
1 votes:

Resident Muslim: Eshkar: Resident Muslim: wademh: Hamas is evil in that they are so very willing to encourage civilian casualties as a side-effect of their belligerent activity against Israel and Israel is evil because they are so very very willing to oblige Hamas in this respect, and even encourage continued mutual belligerence.

I almost wish I could engineer a pox that attacked people who are so full of hate, except I guess that actually wanting to do so would be a bit of a suicide attack.

what Hamas using human shields looks like:
[www.imemc.org image 340x264]

Or how about some hot girls and the IDF:
[algerienetwork.com image 620x349]

/am I doing this wrong?
//look up Breaking the Silence by a group of Israeli Veterans.

Well something you evidently missed... the kid on the hood was arrested during violent 'protest' or in truth riots... as was the kid handcuffed (throwing stones... not rocks and Molotov cocktails at soldiers is frowned upon...).  None of them are being used as shields.  The blonde girl has been detained during several west bank 'protest' (riots).  Her parents take her there and then the girl physically assaults the soldiers while mommy and daddy take pictures... Even here in the US if a girl of 10 attacks a police officer they will be taken into custody.  The girl is trying to run away from the officer she was just attacking.  The girl is released into her parents custody shortly thereafter.

Your attempt at using pictures taken out of context is pathetic.  Israel doesn't hold weapons up to people and force them to stay in a house that is about to be bombed... nope Israel calls ahead and tells the people to get out... Hamas on the other hand wants international support by making their civilians die, while they hide in tunnels that were built using relief aid that was meant for the people... who never saw any of it.


you are so good, I'm not even going to ask you for a citation.
Now do these ones:
[newsjunkiepost.com image 500x595]
I understand that Israel is ...


In case you are wondering where I got the number of rockets casualties and ask for a citation:
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/rocket-deaths-israel.html

theredphoenix.files.wordpress.com
2014-07-25 09:14:31 PM  
1 votes:

Eshkar: nubzers: Bit'O'Gristle: nubzers: Bit'O'Gristle: 1. Hamas wants Israel for its "holy" areas.
2. Hamas lobs unguided rockets into Israel blowing up random buildings and injuring and killing civilians.
3. Hamas uses civilian buildings for cover to fire their derp rockets.
4. Israel gets tired of being bombed, so they fire back at the area the rockets are coming from, or, when they get pissed enough, invade Gaza and do a house to house trying to root out the religious nut jobs who are trying to kill them.
5. Everyone gets pissed at Israel for killing civilians, even though they use guided munitions, where Hamas uses unguided "hope this kills someone" rockets."
6. Hamas posts vids of dead kids, wailing mothers, and distraught fathers gnashing their teeth over a shredded body, and tout how the Israel government are all monsters who murder children.
7. Everyone flames Israel.

(feel free to add more if i missed anything, I'm sure i have.)

8. Israel flames schools with white phosphorus.

9. Israel kills mostly children and "woops we thought it was empty since no one answered at 3 am"

Israel has committed war crimes. Hamas is a terrorist organization. And you pea brained idiots think since they are terrorists it means no holds barred. You are the same retards who think it's ok to torture people or flatten civilian towns because "they hate us for our freedoms." Get out. No seriously, get out. I didn't fight for five years to protect people like you. People who literally made everything far more difficult then it should have been over there in Iraq and Afghanistan with the bullshiat you spew. Israel has completely and utterly shiat the bed when it comes to dealing with the Palestinians. You know how you show them your not monsters? By not behaving like monsters and hiding behind legal technicalities for the law of ground warfare. You want to stop the rockets? Get in there on the ground, you stay there, you maintain peace, improve their lives, work with the local leaders, and you neve ...

Let me spell this out for you Marine... you don't understand the situation on the ground.  What you experienced in Afghanistan is different from what is occurring in Israel.  In Iraq and Afghanistan the US bombed the crap out of both theaters before boots touched the ground... how many innocent civilians died?  Israel did the same, we weren't sending soldiers in to conduct a proper counter insurgency until Hamas was drove to ground... well for them underground. Israeli Pilots have standing orders that they can call off attacks if they see or suspect civilians are present... and they have many many times.  The problem is a lot of the time a rocket is fired the jet goes in and the pilot sees heat signature in the building.. .but since they just launched a terrorist rocket at his house or neighbors house he is going to fire unless he sees proof something that makes him believe there are civilians in that house.  If Hamas is making civilians stay in that house it isn't the pilots or Israel's fault... it is Hamas' fault.  Sadly bad shiat happens in war, but hopefully these poor people will soon be freed from Hamas and allowed to live a full life free of oppression.


I understand this. I was briefed time and time again on the law of ground warfare and when we were cleared to fire. If they fire from a hospital or mosque, you are allowed to fire back as they were the ones who violated the law. You are legally absolved as long as you use a proportionate response I.e they fire a rifle, return fire with your rifle, not a JDAM. Now, that's legally speaking of course, but when you start racking up a civilian body count while doing that, that's when you need to change your SOP. It doesn't comfort the family by saying "well, legally, we aren't wrong for killing your kid, he was just collateral." Yes, bad shiat happens in war, but if you aren't doing your best to prevent it, then you are complicit. And the war crimes I'm referring to are using white phosphorus in heavily populated areas with the intent of using it's incendiary effects to harm and kill. That is a war crime. As for occupying indefinitely, I don't think that would be a problem considering they are, as you say, only an hour from home and it directly threatens them. Counter insurgency is hard work. It is. The situation is complicated and difficult, but if all you want to do is repeat the same shiat as before, you get no sympathy. Bombings without a follow up on the ground is worse than useless, it's counter productive.
2014-07-25 08:45:18 PM  
1 votes:

nubzers: Bit'O'Gristle: nubzers: Bit'O'Gristle: 1. Hamas wants Israel for its "holy" areas.
2. Hamas lobs unguided rockets into Israel blowing up random buildings and injuring and killing civilians.
3. Hamas uses civilian buildings for cover to fire their derp rockets.
4. Israel gets tired of being bombed, so they fire back at the area the rockets are coming from, or, when they get pissed enough, invade Gaza and do a house to house trying to root out the religious nut jobs who are trying to kill them.
5. Everyone gets pissed at Israel for killing civilians, even though they use guided munitions, where Hamas uses unguided "hope this kills someone" rockets."
6. Hamas posts vids of dead kids, wailing mothers, and distraught fathers gnashing their teeth over a shredded body, and tout how the Israel government are all monsters who murder children.
7. Everyone flames Israel.

(feel free to add more if i missed anything, I'm sure i have.)

8. Israel flames schools with white phosphorus.

9. Israel kills mostly children and "woops we thought it was empty since no one answered at 3 am"

Israel has committed war crimes. Hamas is a terrorist organization. And you pea brained idiots think since they are terrorists it means no holds barred. You are the same retards who think it's ok to torture people or flatten civilian towns because "they hate us for our freedoms." Get out. No seriously, get out. I didn't fight for five years to protect people like you. People who literally made everything far more difficult then it should have been over there in Iraq and Afghanistan with the bullshiat you spew. Israel has completely and utterly shiat the bed when it comes to dealing with the Palestinians. You know how you show them your not monsters? By not behaving like monsters and hiding behind legal technicalities for the law of ground warfare. You want to stop the rockets? Get in there on the ground, you stay there, you maintain peace, improve their lives, work with the local leaders, and you neve ...


Let me spell this out for you Marine... you don't understand the situation on the ground.  What you experienced in Afghanistan is different from what is occurring in Israel.  In Iraq and Afghanistan the US bombed the crap out of both theaters before boots touched the ground... how many innocent civilians died?  Israel did the same, we weren't sending soldiers in to conduct a proper counter insurgency until Hamas was drove to ground... well for them underground. Israeli Pilots have standing orders that they can call off attacks if they see or suspect civilians are present... and they have many many times.  The problem is a lot of the time a rocket is fired the jet goes in and the pilot sees heat signature in the building.. .but since they just launched a terrorist rocket at his house or neighbors house he is going to fire unless he sees proof something that makes him believe there are civilians in that house.  If Hamas is making civilians stay in that house it isn't the pilots or Israel's fault... it is Hamas' fault.  Sadly bad shiat happens in war, but hopefully these poor people will soon be freed from Hamas and allowed to live a full life free of oppression.
2014-07-25 08:18:26 PM  
1 votes:

nubzers: Bit'O'Gristle: 1. Hamas wants Israel for its "holy" areas.
2. Hamas lobs unguided rockets into Israel blowing up random buildings and injuring and killing civilians.
3. Hamas uses civilian buildings for cover to fire their derp rockets.
4. Israel gets tired of being bombed, so they fire back at the area the rockets are coming from, or, when they get pissed enough, invade Gaza and do a house to house trying to root out the religious nut jobs who are trying to kill them.
5. Everyone gets pissed at Israel for killing civilians, even though they use guided munitions, where Hamas uses unguided "hope this kills someone" rockets."
6. Hamas posts vids of dead kids, wailing mothers, and distraught fathers gnashing their teeth over a shredded body, and tout how the Israel government are all monsters who murder children.
7. Everyone flames Israel.

(feel free to add more if i missed anything, I'm sure i have.)

8. Israel flames schools with white phosphorus.

9. Israel kills mostly children and "woops we thought it was empty since no one answered at 3 am"

Israel has committed war crimes. Hamas is a terrorist organization. And you pea brained idiots think since they are terrorists it means no holds barred. You are the same retards who think it's ok to torture people or flatten civilian towns because "they hate us for our freedoms." Get out. No seriously, get out. I didn't fight for five years to protect people like you. People who literally made everything far more difficult then it should have been over there in Iraq and Afghanistan with the bullshiat you spew. Israel has completely and utterly shiat the bed when it comes to dealing with the Palestinians. You know how you show them your not monsters? By not behaving like monsters and hiding behind legal technicalities for the law of ground warfare. You want to stop the rockets? Get in there on the ground, you stay there, you maintain peace, improve their lives, work with the local leaders, and you never ever lose your shiat w ...


Number 1.... Israel has not committed war crimes.

Number 2. Israel has tried the whole lets be friends shtick... it didn't work, they destroyed anything we gave them to help them economically... because the Jews gave it to them, they crossed the borders with bombs strapped to themselves and blew up buses full of civilians, coffee shops, and etc.

Number 3. Fighting a war in a foreign country is much different than fighting one an hour or two from your own HOUSE.

Number 4.  Something evidently you don't grasp nor does most the rest of world who isn't living it, Israel is under constant attack... and giving up settlements and doing the whole "Two State" "solution" isn't going to solve the problem... these people's mandate is to literally  wipe Israel off the map.  You could give them the West Bank and Jerusalem and next week they would be attacking Tel Aviv.

Israel is fighting for survival... not for oil, not as revenge for terrorist attacks... nope they are actually fighting for their very existence.  Within the vast terror tunnels Hamas built plans have been found for a massive attack on Israel during Rosh Hashanah... using terror tunnels to attack Israeli citizens... the plan was for mass slaughter.  Hamas being backed by Iran and Qatar (and who knows who else) are trying to wipe Israel off the map.  So call me when you are fighting an hour from your house for the very survival of your Homeland.  When your neighbors house had a rocket fall through the roof, when your cousin was sitting in a coffee shop enjoying his morning coffee and a suicide bomber detonated himself,  when your parents and grandparents have 20 - 30 seconds to make it to a bomb shelter before a rocket hits.
2014-07-25 08:09:12 PM  
1 votes:

spacelord321: wademh: Stone Meadow: wademh: Stone Meadow: wademh: Stone Meadow: wademh:
Get down off your high horse. If you want to weasel out of my point by attacking my supposed lack of reading comprehension then consider that I ended the sentence with an interrogative, implying an open question. I'm just sick and tired of "glass parking lot" replies, and your veiled reference happened to be the one I chose to respond to.

Then, you have chosen __poorly__. As it was clear I dismissed the "glass parking lot" option by saying that would make me as bad as the people who I am so frustrated with. So I repeat my comment about reading comprehension.

Not hardly. You wrote, "I almost wish I could engineer a pox that attacked people who are so full of hate, except I guess that actually wanting to do so would be a bit of a suicide attack."

It's acknowledging it's suicidal nature, but says NOTHING about it making you as bad as those with whom you are so frustrated with.

Well then, I guess if you are OK with suicide attacks that might be true. It is my fault for presuming that suicide attacks are self-evidently evil, and further that there is an added hypocrisy alluded to in hating people who are consumed with hate so much that you kill them. I did not spell that out for you. Apologies for over-estimating my audience.

Wow. You just turned the bullshiat up to 11 with that one. Keep digging that hole...


You don't seem able to actually address his logic, and that is presumably the essence of your response.
2014-07-25 08:07:18 PM  
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Antimatter: Eshkar: Resident Muslim: wademh: Hamas is evil in that they are so very willing to encourage civilian casualties as a side-effect of their belligerent activity against Israel and Israel is evil because they are so very very willing to oblige Hamas in this respect, and even encourage continued mutual belligerence.

I almost wish I could engineer a pox that attacked people who are so full of hate, except I guess that actually wanting to do so would be a bit of a suicide attack.

what Hamas using human shields looks like:
[www.imemc.org image 340x264]

Or how about some hot girls and the IDF:
[algerienetwork.com image 620x349]

/am I doing this wrong?
//look up Breaking the Silence by a group of Israeli Veterans.

Well something you evidently missed... the kid on the hood was arrested during violent 'protest' or in truth riots... as was the kid handcuffed (throwing stones... not rocks and Molotov cocktails at soldiers is frowned upon...).  None of them are being used as shields.  The blonde girl has been detained during several west bank 'protest' (riots).  Her parents take her there and then the girl physically assaults the soldiers while mommy and daddy take pictures... Even here in the US if a girl of 10 attacks a police officer they will be taken into custody.  The girl is trying to run away from the officer she was just attacking.  The girl is released into her parents custody shortly thereafter.

Your attempt at using pictures taken out of context is pathetic.  Israel doesn't hold weapons up to people and force them to stay in a house that is about to be bombed... nope Israel calls ahead and tells the people to get out... Hamas on the other hand wants international support by making their civilians die, while they hide in tunnels that were built using relief aid that was meant for the people... who never saw any of it.

Doesn't help that Israel knows the building still have civies in them, but bombs them anyways.  That makes it a war crime as far as i'm concerned ...

/Its not Israels fault the terrorists use Gaza residents as human meat shields / victims for propaganda.  What would you suggest Israel do?  Just lay back and suck up the rockets and do nothing?  fark that, fire back, i would, you would, and so does Israel.  The terrorists using Gaza civilians as shields, and their subsequent deaths are nobody's fault but Hamas and others of their ilk.  If you can't see that, I'm sorry, i have explained it as clearly as i could.


See my previous post. I would not blindly bomb. And the fact you think everyone else would speaks volumes about yourself. No, I would do the right thing which means getting in there and fixing the problem, not throwing high explosives at it and hope it stops.
2014-07-25 08:04:19 PM  
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: /Its not Israels fault the terrorists use Gaza residents as human meat shields / victims for propaganda.  What would you suggest Israel do?  Just lay back and suck up the rockets and do nothing?  fark that, fire back, i would, you would, and so does Israel.  The terrorists using Gaza civilians as shields, and their subsequent deaths are nobody's fault but Hamas and others of their ilk.  If you can't see that, I'm sorry, i have explained it as clearly as i could.


You are correct that Hamas is all too willing, perhaps even anxious, to use innocent human shields for their attacks on Israel. In fact, the "value" of their attacks are probably more in the retaliatory casualties (as a propaganda tool) than in any damage they do to Israel or Israelis. It's a painful cynicism.

But you ask, "what do you suggest Israel do? "

Well I suggest they not continue to add and support settlements in the occupied territories. I suggest they back off the economic oppression of the territories. I suggest they stop aggressively supplying motivation for Hamas to attack Israel.

Both sides are so hell bent self-justified that they apparently think that they can engage in immoral activity that will induce "worse" immoral activity in their foes. The whole of the conflict has devolved into self-justified moralizing that their actions are worse than mine.

It's long past time to quit buying what either side is selling. "He hit me first" is not legitimate.
2014-07-25 07:25:11 PM  
1 votes:

unlikely: But then someone from Gaza threw a pencil at Bibi and the IDF shouted SELF DEFENSE while pouring white phosphorous on a completely unrelated family who were tied to the chair while the rest of the UN nodded in assent and sympathy.


LOL, when has the UN ever approved of anything Israel does?
2014-07-25 07:18:16 PM  
1 votes:
1. Hamas wants Israel for its "holy" areas.
2. Hamas lobs unguided rockets into Israel blowing up random buildings and injuring and killing civilians.
3. Hamas uses civilian buildings for cover to fire their derp rockets.
4. Israel gets tired of being bombed, so they fire back at the area the rockets are coming from, or, when they get pissed enough, invade Gaza and do a house to house trying to root out the religious nut jobs who are trying to kill them.
5. Everyone gets pissed at Israel for killing civilians, even though they use guided munitions, where Hamas uses unguided "hope this kills someone" rockets."
6. Hamas posts vids of dead kids, wailing mothers, and distraught fathers gnashing their teeth over a shredded body, and tout how the Israel government are all monsters who murder children.
7. Everyone flames Israel.

(feel free to add more if i missed anything, I'm sure i have.)
2014-07-25 07:14:06 PM  
1 votes:

Resident Muslim: wademh: Hamas is evil in that they are so very willing to encourage civilian casualties as a side-effect of their belligerent activity against Israel and Israel is evil because they are so very very willing to oblige Hamas in this respect, and even encourage continued mutual belligerence.

I almost wish I could engineer a pox that attacked people who are so full of hate, except I guess that actually wanting to do so would be a bit of a suicide attack.

what Hamas using human shields looks like:
[www.imemc.org image 340x264]

Or how about some hot girls and the IDF:
[algerienetwork.com image 620x349]

/am I doing this wrong?
//look up Breaking the Silence by a group of Israeli Veterans.


Well something you evidently missed... the kid on the hood was arrested during violent 'protest' or in truth riots... as was the kid handcuffed (throwing stones... not rocks and Molotov cocktails at soldiers is frowned upon...).  None of them are being used as shields.  The blonde girl has been detained during several west bank 'protest' (riots).  Her parents take her there and then the girl physically assaults the soldiers while mommy and daddy take pictures... Even here in the US if a girl of 10 attacks a police officer they will be taken into custody.  The girl is trying to run away from the officer she was just attacking.  The girl is released into her parents custody shortly thereafter.

Your attempt at using pictures taken out of context is pathetic.  Israel doesn't hold weapons up to people and force them to stay in a house that is about to be bombed... nope Israel calls ahead and tells the people to get out... Hamas on the other hand wants international support by making their civilians die, while they hide in tunnels that were built using relief aid that was meant for the people... who never saw any of it.
2014-07-25 07:01:45 PM  
1 votes:

wademh: Stone Meadow: wademh: Stone Meadow: wademh: 
Get down off your high horse. If you want to weasel out of my point by attacking my supposed lack of reading comprehension then consider that I ended the sentence with an interrogative, implying an open question. I'm just sick and tired of "glass parking lot" replies, and your veiled reference happened to be the one I chose to respond to.

Then, you have chosen __poorly__. As it was clear I dismissed the "glass parking lot" option by saying that would make me as bad as the people who I am so frustrated with. So I repeat my comment about reading comprehension.


Not hardly. You wrote, "I almost wish I could engineer a pox that attacked people who are so full of hate, except I guess that actually wanting to do so would be a bit of a suicide attack."

It's acknowledging it's suicidal nature, but says NOTHING about it making you as bad as those with whom you are so frustrated with.
2014-07-25 07:00:36 PM  
1 votes:

Resident Muslim: wademh: Hamas is evil in that they are so very willing to encourage civilian casualties as a side-effect of their belligerent activity against Israel and Israel is evil because they are so very very willing to oblige Hamas in this respect, and even encourage continued mutual belligerence.

I almost wish I could engineer a pox that attacked people who are so full of hate, except I guess that actually wanting to do so would be a bit of a suicide attack.

what Hamas using human shields looks like:


Or how about some hot girls and the IDF:


/am I doing this wrong?
//look up Breaking the Silence by a group of Israeli Veterans.


Out of context pictures. You convinced me!
2014-07-25 06:58:42 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: "thousands of terrorists were meant to cross over to Israel from Gaza through the tunnels and kill and kidnap as many Israelis as they could. The source added that the army learned about the huge planned attack during the interrogations of Hamas prisoners, captured during Operation Protective Edge in Gaza."

Reports state that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu informed his cabinet about the foiled plot during a Thursday cabinet meeting. The leader of the Jewish State reportedly expressed to officials that if this attack was not stopped, the number of Israeli fatalities may have been higher than the over 2,200 deaths Israel suffered during 1973 Yom Kippur War.

they averted a planned attack by bulldozing those tunnels.


Somehow this would be the Jews fault too. Thanks fark for totally bring racist as hell.
2014-07-25 06:49:06 PM  
1 votes:
Israel uses missiles to shield its people. Hamas uses people to shield its missiles.
2014-07-25 06:44:45 PM  
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: wademh: Stone Meadow: wademh: 
Get down off your high horse. If you want to weasel out of my point by attacking my supposed lack of reading comprehension then consider that I ended the sentence with an interrogative, implying an open question. I'm just sick and tired of "glass parking lot" replies, and your veiled reference happened to be the one I chose to respond to.


Then, you have chosen __poorly__. As it was clear I dismissed the "glass parking lot" option by saying that would make me as bad as the people who I am so frustrated with. So I repeat my comment about reading comprehension.
2014-07-25 06:28:08 PM  
1 votes:
Has the un appointed the corpse of idi amin to its humanitarian or human rights council yet?
2014-07-25 06:17:30 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: I have a modest proposal. Can't we just let the Israelis have at the Muslims? If we turn and look the other way; we'll never have to worry about peace in the Middle East ever again. It sounds like a Fine Ol' Solution to the Muslim problem to me...


No Nuke ALL of them over there no matter what dipshiat religion/cultures  they belong to.
2014-07-25 06:08:56 PM  
1 votes:
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
Approves.
2014-07-25 01:08:08 PM  
1 votes:
Meh, he's just talking tough because the UN has admitted that they were housing weapons in one of their schools, and gee, they were going to had the weapons over to Israel in a few days, but gosh, the weapons have gone missing.
 
Displayed 34 of 34 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report