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(Yahoo)   Clearly all those airline baggage fees are helping profits go up -- by driving more passengers to an airline that doesn't charge baggage fees   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line 45
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2014-07-24 09:04:16 PM  
As a big fan and dedicated customer of Southwest Airlines, I'm happy for them.
 
2014-07-24 09:46:39 PM  
United just announced profits of nearly $800 million.  American and Delta profits were both over $1 billion, I believe.

And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane?  Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?
 
2014-07-24 10:32:59 PM  
As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.
 
2014-07-24 11:45:58 PM  

syrynxx: United just announced profits of nearly $800 million.  American and Delta profits were both over $1 billion, I believe.

And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane?  Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?




To be fair, Tweeting is cause to be put on the no-fly list.
 
2014-07-25 12:33:12 AM  
chapter 11 by 2020.

other carriers are copying the lcc model, but have had the luxury of bankruptcy to cut costs.

if your first move in purchasing airfare is to figure out which flight is the cheapest...there is my condensed argument.

/cause its not always them anymore
 
2014-07-25 12:52:07 AM  
No change fees, simple but functional points, and the free bags cause me to break to Southwest even when they cost a little bit more.  I am not blind to price but do chase value.
 
2014-07-25 01:02:57 AM  

margarito bandito: No change fees, simple but functional points, and the free bags cause me to break to Southwest even when they cost a little bit more.  I am not blind to price but do chase value.


factor in the early check-in fees (which you have to use if you have any hope of not getting stuck in the middle), and you may as well pay for the bag.
 
2014-07-25 02:10:49 AM  

syrynxx: And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane? Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?


Southwest is the only airline that I ever see in the news for asshole behavior by gate agents. They are assholes, and I refuse to give them any business because of it.

The tweet thing is only the most recent; here are some other stories:

kicked a woman off a flight for wearing a miniskirt

kicked two women off for a public display of affection

kicked someone off for crying

refused to re-board a Muslim woman after additional screening

and of course, kicking Kevin Smith off a flight for being "too fat" even though he had been seated and there was no indication of an over-sold flight. If he had paid for two tickets on that flight he would have been refunded the one, but they decided to screw with him because it's apparently in the Southwest Employee Handbook that customers are to be harassed.
 
2014-07-25 05:00:20 AM  
Free bags means crying babies and loud, fat, complaining assholes who believe they're over-paying for the wonder of air travel.  Not that 1st/business class hasn't degraded over the years. The lowest common denominator eventually overtake everything
 
2014-07-25 05:20:29 AM  
Gig103:

Southwest is the only airline that I ever see in the news for asshole behavior by gate agents.

That's because they're the only airline for which asshole behavior by gate agents is newsworthy. For the others, it's somewhere between expected and mandatory.
 
2014-07-25 06:47:11 AM  
I try to fly airlines that provide direct flights to where I'm going. Southwest provided a direct flight to Phoenix for a job interview, so I took it (had to drive to RDU but it was worth it). Allegiant provides direct flights from Roanoke to St. Pete to visit family, so I fly Allegiant when I can.
I have no brand allegiance and I hate flying. Air travel is about the worst experience imaginable. The preparation. The waiting. Security. The smells. The people. The cramped environment. The screaming children. My vacations typically consist of wherever I can drive to.
 
GBB
2014-07-25 07:03:43 AM  

syrynxx: United just announced profits of nearly $800 million.  American and Delta profits were both over $1 billion, I believe.

And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane?  Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?


I only wish America was as ballsy as Southwest Air.
"Oh, you're going to leave the country if so-in-so is elected?   We're going to enforce that threat for you."
"You tweeted that you don't like our policies, well then you don't have to fly with us.   Actually, no, you're not going to fly with us."
 
2014-07-25 09:14:45 AM  

robohobo: Free bags means crying babies


Just the opposite. With baggage fees, there's more carry-on. With more carry-on, the overhead bins are full.

And if the overhead bins are full, where then do you put the babies? The cages don't always fit underneath the seat.
 
2014-07-25 09:15:09 AM  

Gig103: syrynxx: And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane? Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?

Southwest is the only airline that I ever see in the news for asshole behavior by gate agents. They are assholes, and I refuse to give them any business because of it.

The tweet thing is only the most recent; here are some other stories:

kicked a woman off a flight for wearing a miniskirt

kicked two women off for a public display of affection

kicked someone off for crying

refused to re-board a Muslim woman after additional screening

and of course, kicking Kevin Smith off a flight for being "too fat" even though he had been seated and there was no indication of an over-sold flight. If he had paid for two tickets on that flight he would have been refunded the one, but they decided to screw with him because it's apparently in the Southwest Employee Handbook that customers are to be harassed.


Sounds like they are run by a bunch of conservative prudes. I'll be taking my business elsewhere.
 
2014-07-25 09:33:59 AM  
With the legacy carriers pulling out of every city that's not a hub, SWA and Alaska are becoming the only options for non-stop travel (not counting commuter flights like DC-PHL)

Example = STL.  Other than commuter flights to ORD and major hubs, you seemingly can't fly non-stop anywhere from STL, no matter which airline you pick.  BUT, if you take Alaska or SWA, you can get non-stops to tons of places big and small.
 
2014-07-25 09:35:32 AM  
I don't really like the open seating, but I suppose it saves them money somewhere, and the plane did seem to board and sit down a lot faster.

Their gate attendants are very direct, almost rude, but not quite.  It was a little jarring, but not bad.

The inflight crews were great, people at check-in were great.

I'm ok with SW.  To me they're all pretty much the same.
 
2014-07-25 09:38:17 AM  
The worst I've been on lately is Frontier. They actually had the flight attendants going up and down the aisle trying to get us to fill in credit card applications. Jebus.
 
2014-07-25 10:01:25 AM  

syrynxx: United just announced profits of nearly $800 million.  American and Delta profits were both over $1 billion, I believe.

And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane?  Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?


.

I'll let you know but first you need to delete your negative comment
 
2014-07-25 10:29:25 AM  

DubyaHater: My vacations typically consist of wherever I can drive to.


You are part of the solution.
 
2014-07-25 10:47:28 AM  

Gig103: syrynxx: And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane? Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?

Southwest is the only airline that I ever see in the news for asshole behavior by gate agents. They are assholes, and I refuse to give them any business because of it.

The tweet thing is only the most recent; here are some other stories:

kicked a woman off a flight for wearing a miniskirt

kicked two women off for a public display of affection

kicked someone off for crying

refused to re-board a Muslim woman after additional screening

and of course, kicking Kevin Smith off a flight for being "too fat" even though he had been seated and there was no indication of an over-sold flight. If he had paid for two tickets on that flight he would have been refunded the one, but they decided to screw with him because it's apparently in the Southwest Employee Handbook that customers are to be harassed.


As long as you don't use twitter, wear miniskirts, partake in public displays of affection, are brown, or Kevin Smith, you've got nothing to worry about.
 
2014-07-25 11:15:45 AM  

tnpir: As a big fan and dedicated customer of Southwest Airlines, I'm happy for them.


This. Only I don't see how they can increase the amount of passengers they carry without adding flights. Every flight I take with them seems to be 100% full.
 
2014-07-25 11:20:04 AM  
What a pisser
 
2014-07-25 11:20:42 AM  

Gig103: syrynxx: And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane? Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?

Southwest is the only airline that I ever see in the news for asshole behavior by gate agents. They are assholes, and I refuse to give them any business because of it.

The tweet thing is only the most recent; here are some other stories:

kicked a woman off a flight for wearing a miniskirt

kicked two women off for a public display of affection

kicked someone off for crying

refused to re-board a Muslim woman after additional screening

and of course, kicking Kevin Smith off a flight for being "too fat" even though he had been seated and there was no indication of an over-sold flight. If he had paid for two tickets on that flight he would have been refunded the one, but they decided to screw with him because it's apparently in the Southwest Employee Handbook that customers are to be harassed.


And the rest of us appreciate that they are.  Thanks for not flying Southwest.
 
2014-07-25 11:22:30 AM  

ChrisDe: tnpir: As a big fan and dedicated customer of Southwest Airlines, I'm happy for them.

This. Only I don't see how they can increase the amount of passengers they carry without adding flights. Every flight I take with them seems to be 100% full.


They're definitely adding flights, at least here in Dallas. The Wright Amendment expires on October 13, meaning Southwest can now fly direct to any city in the U.S. out of Dallas Love Field. This will be added on to their already lucrative and extensive in-Texas flight schedule.  I've been using my SWA Visa card and saving up points for this moment - finally, direct flights to Vegas, Denver, Fort Lauderdale and New York out of Love Field.

As for all the griping about SWA employees being rude, in my experience they aren't any worse than any other airline, and are still much better than some (American Airlines - I'm looking at YOU).  And the cattle-call seating never bothered me much.
 
2014-07-25 11:52:47 AM  
I flew Southwest/Airtran from OKC by way of Atlanta  to Baltimore last year and enjoyed  the trip considering it is air travel.  The several times I've flown to Denver or Chicago in years past were also non-events and were rather pleasant.
 
2014-07-25 11:53:19 AM  

ChrisDe: tnpir: As a big fan and dedicated customer of Southwest Airlines, I'm happy for them.

This. Only I don't see how they can increase the amount of passengers they carry without adding flights. Every flight I take with them seems to be 100% full.


Your mileage may vary.  I flew on Southwest from San Jose to San Antonio and back last summer.  I had a stopover in both directions, and on the second leg of each flight (Las Vegas to San Antonio, San Diego to San Jose), the planes weren't even close to full.
 
2014-07-25 11:54:08 AM  

syrynxx: United just announced profits of nearly $800 million.  American and Delta profits were both over $1 billion, I believe.

And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane?  Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?


To be fair the dad sounds like an asshole.
 
2014-07-25 11:56:26 AM  
I think I know how United made a profit last quarter: "deferred" maintenance.  My trip earlier this month involved two legs and three planes. The plane for the Boston-Chicago leg "had trouble" getting out of Dulles, 2:30 hours worth. Getting to Chicago, we were relieved that our connection was delayed, otherwise we could not have made it. Delayed as in still in New Orleans with engine problems. The replacement plane (2:15 later) also had a maintenance issue, resulting in another 45 minute delay. We got into Portland almost 6 hours late and missed the last Trimet train; had to take a taxi.
 
2014-07-25 01:16:17 PM  
It's going to be awesome when the Wright amendment expires and they have more direct flights available.

That is all.

/soon
 
2014-07-25 01:35:20 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: With the legacy carriers pulling out of every city that's not a hub, SWA and Alaska are becoming the only options for non-stop travel (not counting commuter flights like DC-PHL)

Example = STL.  Other than commuter flights to ORD and major hubs, you seemingly can't fly non-stop anywhere from STL, no matter which airline you pick.  BUT, if you take Alaska or SWA, you can get non-stops to tons of places big and small.


I also miss the old TWA/early AA days from STL when most of the flights anywhere were non-stop. But now American is a complete fark-stain as getting anywhere with them means connecting through ORD or DFW. But I've been happy with SWA from St. Louis as we're pretty much a mini-hub for them now. Yeah, you might only have one or two non-stop options on certain routes: but they're available.

/Fark you Carl Icahn
 
2014-07-25 01:54:34 PM  

margarito bandito: No change fees, simple but functional points, and the free bags cause me to break to Southwest even when they cost a little bit more.  I am not blind to price but do chase value.


Every time I've check in, I've gotten a late A or early B seat.
 
2014-07-25 01:56:35 PM  

mjohnson71: Grand_Moff_Joseph: With the legacy carriers pulling out of every city that's not a hub, SWA and Alaska are becoming the only options for non-stop travel (not counting commuter flights like DC-PHL)

Example = STL.  Other than commuter flights to ORD and major hubs, you seemingly can't fly non-stop anywhere from STL, no matter which airline you pick.  BUT, if you take Alaska or SWA, you can get non-stops to tons of places big and small.

I also miss the old TWA/early AA days from STL when most of the flights anywhere were non-stop. But now American is a complete fark-stain as getting anywhere with them means connecting through ORD or DFW. But I've been happy with SWA from St. Louis as we're pretty much a mini-hub for them now. Yeah, you might only have one or two non-stop options on certain routes: but they're available.

/Fark you Carl Icahn


Yep.  and Alaska picking up the STL-SEA route that AA dropped has been a 1000% improvement.  I freaking love that airline, and wished they had true global service.
 
2014-07-25 02:55:54 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.


SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.
 
2014-07-25 03:00:58 PM  

syrynxx: United just announced profits of nearly $800 million.  American and Delta profits were both over $1 billion, I believe.

And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane?  Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?


Not only that, but it appears the only reason profits were "up" is because they bought AirTran and now have higher revenues. Profit margin is missing entirely from the article (because it doesn't tell the biased story the author wants).

Additionally, the author does cite that Southwest jacked their ticket prices, and a flyer pays above average rates on SW (cheaper fare + bag fee on any other airline is still cheaper than "free bags on SW").
 
2014-07-25 03:12:41 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.


Not sure why you say that.  I find them pretty much identical to every other carrier as far as the comfort of the seats.

They also seemed to have tons of carry-on room due to their baggage policy.

I got my soda and stupid snack.

What more do you need?
 
2014-07-25 03:46:04 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.

SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.


Fly American Eagle or a half-moldy MD80, and SW's not so bad anymore.  ;)

/point taken though
 
2014-07-25 03:58:19 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.

SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.

Fly American Eagle or a half-moldy MD80, and SW's not so bad anymore.  ;)

/point taken though


Because of maintenance and parts legacy American burdens STL with a ton of those ancient crappy MD80s. At least I know the other legs of an American flight will be with a plane not getting close to 20 years old.
 
2014-07-25 05:19:50 PM  

mjohnson71: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.

SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.

Fly American Eagle or a half-moldy MD80, and SW's not so bad anymore.  ;)

/point taken though

Because of maintenance and parts legacy American burdens STL with a ton of those ancient crappy MD80s. At least I know the other legs of an American flight will be with a plane not getting close to 20 years old.


We've been pretty consistent AAdvantage flyers for 5+ years (though we're re-thinking that strategy)

We've flown AA on three separate trips to Europe (via ORD and DFW, of course).  The newest thing we've sat on is a 777-200 with a partially updated interior.  Most of the time, we're stuck on 767s that still have DC power outlets for every third row.  D:

AA may be collecting a new plane every 1-2 weeks (per their site), but they sure as heck don't seem to be showing up anywhere.  Hell, most of the "new paint job" planes I've seen are just old planes with the new livery.  Sadly, I've even seen some MD80s with the new paint.  :(
 
2014-07-25 05:32:54 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: mjohnson71: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.

SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.

Fly American Eagle or a half-moldy MD80, and SW's not so bad anymore.  ;)

/point taken though

Because of maintenance and parts legacy American burdens STL with a ton of those ancient crappy MD80s. At least I know the other legs of an American flight will be with a plane not getting close to 20 years old.

We've been pretty consistent AAdvantage flyers for 5+ years (though we're re-thinking that strategy)

We've flown AA on three separate trips to Europe (via ORD and DFW, of course).  The newest thing we've sat on is a 777-200 with a partially updated interior.  Most of the time, we're stuck on 767s that still have DC power outlets for every third row.  D:

AA may be collecting a new plane every 1-2 weeks (per their site), but they sure as heck don't seem to be showing up anywhere.  Hell, most of the "new paint job" planes I've seen are just old planes with the new livery.  Sadly, I've even seen some MD80s with the new paint.  :(


I'd also like to know where American is hiding all those new planes. I think I've flown a newer 737-800 from LAX > DFW twice and that's it.
 
2014-07-25 05:41:17 PM  

mjohnson71: Grand_Moff_Joseph: mjohnson71: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.

SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.

Fly American Eagle or a half-moldy MD80, and SW's not so bad anymore.  ;)

/point taken though

Because of maintenance and parts legacy American burdens STL with a ton of those ancient crappy MD80s. At least I know the other legs of an American flight will be with a plane not getting close to 20 years old.

We've been pretty consistent AAdvantage flyers for 5+ years (though we're re-thinking that strategy)

We've flown AA on three separate trips to Europe (via ORD and DFW, of course).  The newest thing we've sat on is a 777-200 with a partially updated interior.  Most of the time, we're stuck on 767s that still have DC power outlets for every third row.  D:

AA may be collecting a new plane every 1-2 weeks (per their site), but they sure as heck don't seem to be showing up anywhere.  Hell, most of the "new paint job" planes I've seen are just old planes with the new livery.  Sadly, I've even seen some MD80s with the new paint.  :(

I'd also like to know where American is hiding all those new planes. I think I've flown a newer 737-800 from LAX > DFW twice and that's it.


I recently flew Alaska's STL-SEA route.  Their fleet is nearly all 737s, usually no older than a 700 model.  But they pulled in with a brand new 737-9.  Boeing "sky" interior, new Recaro seats, even had the fresh plane smell, seriously.  Crew said we were the 3rd or 4th set of pax on that plane.

I have to say, the new engines on those -9 models are whisper quiet compared to even the -8 models.
 
2014-07-25 05:58:08 PM  

mjohnson71: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.

SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.

Fly American Eagle or a half-moldy MD80, and SW's not so bad anymore.  ;)

/point taken though

Because of maintenance and parts legacy American burdens STL with a ton of those ancient crappy MD80s. At least I know the other legs of an American flight will be with a plane not getting close to 20 years old.


I like to 2-3 configuration though if you're going with someone you know. Of course, the engines are louder than hell so conversation is out.
 
2014-07-25 06:07:39 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: mjohnson71: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.

SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.

Fly American Eagle or a half-moldy MD80, and SW's not so bad anymore.  ;)

/point taken though

Because of maintenance and parts legacy American burdens STL with a ton of those ancient crappy MD80s. At least I know the other legs of an American flight will be with a plane not getting close to 20 years old.

I like to 2-3 configuration though if you're going with someone you know. Of course, the engines are louder than hell so conversation is out.


Something to consider:  The ancient MDs that we complain about here are the same ones that get sold for (comparatively) pennies on the dollar to the Air Algiers of the world, who continue to fly them with a fraction of the maintenance and support that they need.
 
2014-07-25 06:15:38 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Contrabulous Flabtraption: mjohnson71: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.

SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.

Fly American Eagle or a half-moldy MD80, and SW's not so bad anymore.  ;)

/point taken though

Because of maintenance and parts legacy American burdens STL with a ton of those ancient crappy MD80s. At least I know the other legs of an American flight will be with a plane not getting close to 20 years old.

I like to 2-3 configuration though if you're going with someone you know. Of course, the engines are louder than hell so conversation is out.

Something to consider:  The ancient MDs that we complain about here are the same ones that get sold for (comparatively) pennies on the dollar to the Air Algiers of the world, who continue to fly them with a fraction of the maintenance and support that they need.


And still they hardly ever crash!
 
2014-07-25 06:17:01 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: syrynxx: United just announced profits of nearly $800 million.  American and Delta profits were both over $1 billion, I believe.

And wasn't Southwest the airline with the asshole gate attendant who forced a customer to delete a negative 'tweet' before he could board the plane?  Oh yeah, where do I sign for some of that abuse?



To be fair, Tweeting is cause to be put on the no-fly list.


You may think you're joking, but consider carefully the terrifying damage that can be done to an airplane and everyone on board with a tweet.
 
2014-07-25 08:19:04 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: mjohnson71: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Grand_Moff_Joseph: As much as I loathe their seating and check-in policies, SWA still provides far better customer service and in-flight comfort than any other domestic airline -- save for Alaska Air.

SW is good at a lot of things but in-flight comfort is not one of them. EVERY other major U.S. airline is more comfortable than SW.

Fly American Eagle or a half-moldy MD80, and SW's not so bad anymore.  ;)

/point taken though

Because of maintenance and parts legacy American burdens STL with a ton of those ancient crappy MD80s. At least I know the other legs of an American flight will be with a plane not getting close to 20 years old.

I like to 2-3 configuration though if you're going with someone you know. Of course, the engines are louder than hell so conversation is out.


Agreed on both points. On those MD80s there's no talking and there's no sleeping no matter how tired you are.
 
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