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2014-07-24 09:48:56 PM  
Stan Lee is a good man. My comic reading years were '63 to '67 when Batman, Superman, and everything DC was king. And Marvel was "brand X" I guess for either people who had to be different or who the DC universe was not big enough. I am glad that Stan Lee has stayed around to see a complete reversal in that.
 
2014-07-24 10:49:11 PM  
EXCELSI- *cough cough*

/change dammit change!
 
2014-07-24 11:17:52 PM  
I'm surprised he is even able to get around as much as he does. Most people his age are dead.
 
2014-07-24 11:25:24 PM  
That's unfortunate. I wish him a speedy recovery.
 
2014-07-24 11:44:59 PM  
Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.
 
2014-07-25 12:15:46 AM  
Come on... the guy's in his 90s

/at that age losing things is pretty common
 
2014-07-25 12:15:58 AM  
 When 91 years old you reach, look as good you will not, hmm?
 
2014-07-25 12:26:59 AM  
His bit as a Smithsonian guard in Winter Soldier was better than most.
 
2014-07-25 12:46:59 AM  
Nuff said
 
2014-07-25 12:59:57 AM  

chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.


Don't be "That guy."
 
2014-07-25 01:17:38 AM  
Don't make any firm plans involving anyone over 90. Strictly "conditions permitting".
 
2014-07-25 01:33:56 AM  
Even a common cold can be the end at his age. I hope he lasts long enough for a few more cameos.

Go read some old Dr Strange books and think about the dope in Marvel back in the 70s.
 
2014-07-25 02:19:47 AM  

chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.


Came to say much the same thing. I see you have it covered. I admittedly like the guy, but the man could run for congress with the lies out of his mouth.
 
2014-07-25 02:57:28 AM  
Kevin Smith really got him on the cheap... That was great timing.
 
2014-07-25 03:09:32 AM  

Dr. Speed: chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.

Don't be "That guy."


Stan might be "The Man" but Jack was, and always will be, "The King."
 
2014-07-25 03:10:45 AM  
Glad I met him Megacon in Orlando earlier this year. Seemed genuinely interested in meeting his fans. At 91, he doesn't need to leave the house to do conventions. Anyway, he signed my Captain America shield, so I was happy.img.fark.net
 
2014-07-25 04:23:10 AM  

soseussme: Dr. Speed: chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.

Don't be "That guy."

Stan might be "The Man" but Jack was, and always will be, "The King."


For those who aren't comic enthusiasts I guess I should point out that Jack Kirby died broke, and he was creator/co-creator of Captain America, Thor, the X-Men, the Avengers, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, Black Panther, Iron Man, Sgt. (Nick) Fury and His Howling Commandos... and a good many others, as well as so many of the villains those heroes fought as well. Those characters have made Marvel millions upon millions.

Marvel screwed him royally, and Stan Lee played no small role in that.
 
2014-07-25 05:01:05 AM  

Kevin72: Stan Lee is a good man. My comic reading years were '63 to '67 when Batman, Superman, and everything DC was king. And Marvel was "brand X" I guess for either people who had to be different or who the DC universe was not big enough. I am glad that Stan Lee has stayed around to see a complete reversal in that.



Those guys are pansies compared to the Easter Bunny.

How'm I doin?
 
2014-07-25 05:19:33 AM  

chewielouie: Glad I met him Megacon in Orlando earlier this year. Seemed genuinely interested in meeting his fans. At 91, he doesn't need to leave the house to do conventions. Anyway, he signed my Captain America shield, so I was happy.[img.fark.net image 850x637]


I'm sure he was quick to point out that Captain America was created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby.

/still very cool
//jealous
 
2014-07-25 05:29:20 AM  

One of them Tuckjobs: Kevin72: Stan Lee is a good man. My comic reading years were '63 to '67 when Batman, Superman, and everything DC was king. And Marvel was "brand X" I guess for either people who had to be different or who the DC universe was not big enough. I am glad that Stan Lee has stayed around to see a complete reversal in that.


Those guys are pansies compared to the Easter Bunny.

How'm I doin?


You are doing fine for the 2000s. It was a different time way back then.
 
2014-07-25 06:30:23 AM  
Looks like the Kult of Kirby already shiat all over the place.

Kirby was an adult, and knew what he was getting into considering he once ran a comic company with Joe Simon.

Does it suck that he didn't live long enough to profit like Stan Lee and a few other creators have? Yeah. But it's only been recently creators have been making money because of movies.

Bottom line... He signed the deals, he took the paychecks, and if he didn't like it, he was free to start his own company... Again.

/Kirby needed Lee to not suck. Kirby's dialogue was horrible, and he needed someone to make his rough ideas good. Just look at his DC stuff to see how shiatty Kirby was without a Joe Simon or Stan Lee.

/his art is also highly overrated.
 
2014-07-25 07:40:06 AM  
soseussme:

Stan might be "The Man" but Jack was, and always will be, "The King."

For those who aren't comic enthusiasts I guess I should point out that Jack Kirby died broke, and he was creator/co-creator of Captain America, Thor, the X-Men, the Avengers, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, Black Panther, Iron Man, Sgt. (Nick) Fury and His Howling Commandos... and a good many others, as well as so many of the villains those heroes fought as well. Those characters have made Marvel millions upon millions.

Marvel screwed him royally, and Stan Lee played no small role in that.


I am in total agreement that Kirby and his heir along with many other creators were screwed blue by the industry.
I been hearing Stan Lee trashed for decades by the fans ,and yet his Marvel books in the 70's were a major influence in my life. So I had trouble hating the man or separating him from these great stories.

I read King of Comics and came away with a new insight to Jack Kirby. Simply put the King had great artistic talent ,but he was not a man of action. He was someone to sit around complaining or talking about doing something,but it was Stan Lee who was fighting in the trenches making it happen.

Not saying Jack didn't deserve more money. I am saying that without Stan Lee there would be no Marvel Comics
or Image or Marvel Movies and DC wouldn't exist. Jack Kirby would not,could not do the things the Stan Lee did and Lee should not be portrayed as someone who outflanked Kirby.

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-25 07:47:04 AM  

One of them Tuckjobs: Kevin72: Stan Lee is a good man. My comic reading years were '63 to '67 when Batman, Superman, and everything DC was king. And Marvel was "brand X" I guess for either people who had to be different or who the DC universe was not big enough. I am glad that Stan Lee has stayed around to see a complete reversal in that.


Those guys are pansies compared to the Easter Bunny.

How'm I doin?


Let me take a shot.
They may be heroes but not as good heroes like Jebus!
How's that?
 
2014-07-25 08:11:57 AM  

rikkards: One of them Tuckjobs: Kevin72: Stan Lee is a good man. My comic reading years were '63 to '67 when Batman, Superman, and everything DC was king. And Marvel was "brand X" I guess for either people who had to be different or who the DC universe was not big enough. I am glad that Stan Lee has stayed around to see a complete reversal in that.


Those guys are pansies compared to the Easter Bunny.

How'm I doin?

Let me take a shot.
They may be heroes but not as good heroes like Jebus!
How's that?


Aw geez. I could say about a million things, but I don't think I could express myself monosyllabically enough for you to understand them all.

 
2014-07-25 08:50:33 AM  

soseussme: soseussme: Dr. Speed: chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.

Don't be "That guy."

Stan might be "The Man" but Jack was, and always will be, "The King."

For those who aren't comic enthusiasts I guess I should point out that Jack Kirby died broke, and he was creator/co-creator of Captain America, Thor, the X-Men, the Avengers, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, Black Panther, Iron Man, Sgt. (Nick) Fury and His Howling Commandos... and a good many others, as well as so many of the villains those heroes fought as well. Those characters have made Marvel millions upon millions.

Marvel screwed him royally, and Stan Lee played no small role in that.


To be fair, at the time when Jack Kirby died, Stan was pretty much broke himself, he just lucked out in that he lived long enough to rake in tons of dough from the movie franchises.
 
2014-07-25 09:42:54 AM  
Oh, that's right, asshole. You just keep ducking me all you want, Lee, you know you owe me that No-Prize for the flaw on the 4th panel on page 6 of Amazing #367. It would have been impossible for Aunt May to drink an entire glass of water between Peter coming in and the phone ringing!
 
2014-07-25 09:43:48 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Looks like the Kult of Kirby already shiat all over the place.

Kirby was an adult, and knew what he was getting into considering he once ran a comic company with Joe Simon.

Does it suck that he didn't live long enough to profit like Stan Lee and a few other creators have? Yeah. But it's only been recently creators have been making money because of movies.

Bottom line... He signed the deals, he took the paychecks, and if he didn't like it, he was free to start his own company... Again.

/Kirby needed Lee to not suck. Kirby's dialogue was horrible, and he needed someone to make his rough ideas good. Just look at his DC stuff to see how shiatty Kirby was without a Joe Simon or Stan Lee.

/his art is also highly overrated.


THIS, except for the art is overrated bullshiat.
No one can reconcile for me all those "The King was tough as nails!" stories, along with the "Poor, poor, King. Stan Lee farked over him for decades!" stories.
Stan is not Satan.
The King is not Jesus.
Both of those guys knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
Are you the same FNB from Mobius Infinity?
Because the last thing the King's art is, is overrated.
Dude, Kirby Krackle.
 
2014-07-25 09:52:25 AM  

Dr. Speed: FirstNationalBastard: Looks like the Kult of Kirby already shiat all over the place.

Kirby was an adult, and knew what he was getting into considering he once ran a comic company with Joe Simon.

Does it suck that he didn't live long enough to profit like Stan Lee and a few other creators have? Yeah. But it's only been recently creators have been making money because of movies.

Bottom line... He signed the deals, he took the paychecks, and if he didn't like it, he was free to start his own company... Again.

/Kirby needed Lee to not suck. Kirby's dialogue was horrible, and he needed someone to make his rough ideas good. Just look at his DC stuff to see how shiatty Kirby was without a Joe Simon or Stan Lee.

/his art is also highly overrated.

THIS, except for the art is overrated bullshiat.
No one can reconcile for me all those "The King was tough as nails!" stories, along with the "Poor, poor, King. Stan Lee farked over him for decades!" stories.
Stan is not Satan.
The King is not Jesus.
Both of those guys knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
Are you the same FNB from Mobius Infinity?
Because the last thing the King's art is, is overrated.
Dude, Kirby Krackle.


It is impossible to deny the effect Kirby's art had on comic book art forever after.

You can't deny the energy of the art.

The figures, the people? Those sucked, compared to Kirt Schaffenberger, Bruno Premiani, Curt Swan, and most of his peers. IMO, people overrate his art because he's Jack Kirby.

He was good at monsters, though.

/yep, same FNB from ages ago.
 
2014-07-25 10:13:47 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Dr. Speed: FirstNationalBastard: Looks like the Kult of Kirby already shiat all over the place.

Kirby was an adult, and knew what he was getting into considering he once ran a comic company with Joe Simon.

Does it suck that he didn't live long enough to profit like Stan Lee and a few other creators have? Yeah. But it's only been recently creators have been making money because of movies.

Bottom line... He signed the deals, he took the paychecks, and if he didn't like it, he was free to start his own company... Again.

/Kirby needed Lee to not suck. Kirby's dialogue was horrible, and he needed someone to make his rough ideas good. Just look at his DC stuff to see how shiatty Kirby was without a Joe Simon or Stan Lee.

/his art is also highly overrated.

THIS, except for the art is overrated bullshiat.
No one can reconcile for me all those "The King was tough as nails!" stories, along with the "Poor, poor, King. Stan Lee farked over him for decades!" stories.
Stan is not Satan.
The King is not Jesus.
Both of those guys knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
Are you the same FNB from Mobius Infinity?
Because the last thing the King's art is, is overrated.
Dude, Kirby Krackle.

It is impossible to deny the effect Kirby's art had on comic book art forever after.

You can't deny the energy of the art.

The figures, the people? Those sucked, compared to Kirt Schaffenberger, Bruno Premiani, Curt Swan, and most of his peers. IMO, people overrate his art because he's Jack Kirby.

He was good at monsters, though.

/yep, same FNB from ages ago.


Ah, you and I used to talk sports and comics back then.
I'm sure that you don't remember, but my username was "speedlines"
 
2014-07-25 10:17:41 AM  
And for you ghouls waiting to piss on Stan's grave, you are pathetic.
 
2014-07-25 12:26:46 PM  

EyeballKid: Oh, that's right, asshole. You just keep ducking me all you want, Lee, you know you owe me that No-Prize for the flaw on the 4th panel on page 6 of Amazing #367. It would have been impossible for Aunt May to drink an entire glass of water between Peter coming in and the phone ringing!


Holy effing shiat, it has been so long, I totally forgot about No-Prizes.
 
2014-07-25 12:46:39 PM  
im totally waiting to piss on his grave.  of the two, lee was definitely the more overrated.  his stories were great for children and teens in a bygone era, and that's who their market was in the 60s when things were simpler.  some of his ideas were considered 'challenging' for the times but it really was so much more innocent back then for what you could write about.  fine.  but for an adult market, his stuff was laughable.  remember when he tried to really write again in the late 90s, or that failed fiasco with Pam Anderson and trying to do comics online?  it's like he just found out that he never could write to adults to begin with. placing him at the forefront of storytellers in comics is flat out stupid.  not to mention his contractual requirement to have his name at the head of every marvel comic regardless of his contribution.  fark that kind of needy ego to see your name everywhere on books you have nothing to do with.

i also find kirby's art overrated but only slightly.  dynamism was the name of the game and he was great at it but comics at the time had little room for anything that wasnt dynamism/superhero or EC's war/horror stuff.  there's easily 100 artists id put ahead of Kirby, but 500 writers id put ahead of Stan.  this isnt about some corporate/financial wrongs of the industry, just strictly speaking to artistic/literary skill.  any list of great writers gets him an honorable mention for creating these iconic guys but not for actually writing them.  i guess i can at least give him credit for volume in his heyday.  he did write a whole lot.

anyway, hurry up and die.  the postmortem honorifics parade will be such a media frenzy that it will be difficult for me to stomach.
 
2014-07-25 02:20:18 PM  

The Flexecutioner: im totally waiting to piss on his grave.  of the two, lee was definitely the more overrated.  his stories were great for children and teens in a bygone era, and that's who their market was in the 60s when things were simpler.  some of his ideas were considered 'challenging' for the times but it really was so much more innocent back then for what you could write about.  fine.  but for an adult market, his stuff was laughable.  remember when he tried to really write again in the late 90s, or that failed fiasco with Pam Anderson and trying to do comics online?  it's like he just found out that he never could write to adults to begin with. placing him at the forefront of storytellers in comics is flat out stupid.  not to mention his contractual requirement to have his name at the head of every marvel comic regardless of his contribution.  fark that kind of needy ego to see your name everywhere on books you have nothing to do with.

i also find kirby's art overrated but only slightly.  dynamism was the name of the game and he was great at it but comics at the time had little room for anything that wasnt dynamism/superhero or EC's war/horror stuff.  there's easily 100 artists id put ahead of Kirby, but 500 writers id put ahead of Stan.  this isnt about some corporate/financial wrongs of the industry, just strictly speaking to artistic/literary skill.  any list of great writers gets him an honorable mention for creating these iconic guys but not for actually writing them.  i guess i can at least give him credit for volume in his heyday.  he did write a whole lot.

anyway, hurry up and die.  the postmortem honorifics parade will be such a media frenzy that it will be difficult for me to stomach.


And I want EVERYONE PISSING. U know what happens to nonpissers, dontcha?
 
2014-07-25 04:04:02 PM  

chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.


Bob Kane didn't steal anything. He had a studio that hired Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson. They worked under the House Name- which was an accepted practice at the time.

Either that or you believe that Walt Disney drew and wrote everything that had his signature, you are sadly mistaken
 
2014-07-25 04:22:11 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.

Bob Kane didn't steal anything. He had a studio that hired Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson. They worked under the House Name- which was an accepted practice at the time.

Either that or you believe that Walt Disney drew and wrote everything that had his signature, you are sadly mistaken


Except Kane claimed all their accomplishments as his own.

http://comicsalliance.com/ty-templeto n-draws-batman-as-created-by-bob - kane-art/
 
2014-07-25 04:45:34 PM  
I'm guessing he actually got sick eating the food at the chefs table in Hells Kitchen the other night.  I'd be sick too.
 
2014-07-25 04:52:28 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.

Bob Kane didn't steal anything. He had a studio that hired Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson. They worked under the House Name- which was an accepted practice at the time.

Either that or you believe that Walt Disney drew and wrote everything that had his signature, you are sadly mistaken


Bob Kane consistently denied the contributions of others and literally went to his grave taking full credit.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-25 05:03:33 PM  

Pyynk: Darth_Lukecash: chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.

Bob Kane didn't steal anything. He had a studio that hired Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson. They worked under the House Name- which was an accepted practice at the time.

Either that or you believe that Walt Disney drew and wrote everything that had his signature, you are sadly mistaken

Except Kane claimed all their accomplishments as his own.

http://comicsalliance.com/ty-templeto n-draws-batman-as-created-by-bob - kane-art/


Except even Kane gave him credit

In his autobiography, Bob Kane acknowledged, "Now that my long-time friend and collaborator is gone, I must admit that Bill never received the fame and recognition he deserved. He was an unsung hero." Regarding the issue of giving Finger official credit, Kane specifically said, "I often tell my wife, if I could go back fifteen years, before he died, I'd like to say, 'I'll put your name on it now. You deserve it.'"

Kane was a son of a biatch, but he admited when he was wrong.
 
2014-07-25 05:05:00 PM  

chapman: Darth_Lukecash: chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.

Bob Kane didn't steal anything. He had a studio that hired Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson. They worked under the House Name- which was an accepted practice at the time.

Either that or you believe that Walt Disney drew and wrote everything that had his signature, you are sadly mistaken

Bob Kane consistently denied the contributions of others and literally went to his grave taking full credit.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x553]


And it's rumored to be part of the agreement with the estate that DC can't give credit to Bill Finger, Jerry Robinson, or anyone else for their creations, or legal battles will ensue.
 
2014-07-25 05:09:11 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And it's rumored to be part of the agreement with the estate that DC can't give credit to Bill Finger, Jerry Robinson, or anyone else for their creations, or legal battles will ensue.


I've heard that as well.  I do need to correct myself. Kane did give God co-writer's credit.
 
2014-07-25 05:11:28 PM  

chapman: Darth_Lukecash: chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.

Bob Kane didn't steal anything. He had a studio that hired Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson. They worked under the House Name- which was an accepted practice at the time.

Either that or you believe that Walt Disney drew and wrote everything that had his signature, you are sadly mistaken

Bob Kane consistently denied the contributions of others and literally went to his grave taking full credit.


Read his autobiography. He did no such thing. He went in record, self serving, but his last years was spent confirming what everyone knew.

Kane did have a hand in creating Batman. so did Bill Finger. Kane did the pitch that got the ball rolling. It was Finger who perfected it. I have no problem if they get co-creation credit

Fact is Bill Finger Worked for Bob Kane. Fingers contribution was literally work for hire.

Oh and By the Way: Bill Finger Stole the first Batman Story from a Shadow Adventure. So he wasn't innocent.
 
2014-07-25 05:14:26 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: chapman: Darth_Lukecash: chapman: Probably lost his voice taking credit for other people's work.  It wasn't just Bob Kane stealing the lime light.

Bob Kane didn't steal anything. He had a studio that hired Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson. They worked under the House Name- which was an accepted practice at the time.

Either that or you believe that Walt Disney drew and wrote everything that had his signature, you are sadly mistaken

Bob Kane consistently denied the contributions of others and literally went to his grave taking full credit.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x553]

And it's rumored to be part of the agreement with the estate that DC can't give credit to Bill Finger, Jerry Robinson, or anyone else for their creations, or legal battles will ensue.


That could be changed by Kanes estate. I suppose it depends on how the contract was written.

Bill Finger gets writers credit, DC does cut a check to His family.
 
2014-07-26 03:08:04 AM  
i used to buy into the "Stan Lee farked over everyone" stories until I watched the documentary on Stan Lee and saw how he basically started out as a gopher for Timely and built it into the Marvel empire we all know and love today. And every writer talked about how Stan Lee would throw away countless sketches and command numerous changes because the artists weren't drawing dynamic enough poses. He wanted artists to draw the most exaggerated poses possible for maximum impact, so saying "Jack Kirby wouldn't be anything without Stan Lee" is actually correct.
 
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