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2014-07-24 05:26:22 PM  
No farking shiat.  I learned that Tylonol does dick for lower back pain.
 
2014-07-24 05:37:06 PM  
NSAIDS are always going to give you better results for back pain. I feel bad for people who truthfully cannot take them.

/yes, I'd do understand they have adverse effects too
 
2014-07-24 05:59:59 PM  
Tylenol is pretty much useless except maybe as a fever reducer, in my experience.
 
2014-07-24 06:23:51 PM  

ManateeGag: No farking shiat.  I learned that Tylonol does dick for lower back pain.


I'm not a doctor but I found that easing up on the dick really helped ease my lower back pain.
 
2014-07-24 06:31:33 PM  

brap: ManateeGag: No farking shiat.  I learned that Tylonol does dick for lower back pain.

I'm not a doctor but I found that easing up on the dick really helped ease my lower back pain.


I'm pretty sure you've been doing it wrong.
 
2014-07-24 06:37:03 PM  

basemetal: NSAIDS are always going to give you better results for back pain. I feel bad for people who truthfully cannot take them.

/yes, I'd do understand they have adverse effects too


This is why I get pissed off when my doc says no more Tramadol for my back. Tylenol does jack, and I can't take NSAIDS due to high risk of ulcers. I two flattened/herniated discs and pinched sciatic nerves that make sitting or standing for more than 30 minutes nearly unbearable. I don't want Vicodin; I don't want Percoset; I don't want to get high. I just want to be able to do normal things without feeling like I've been hit in the lower back with a brick.

/rant over
 
2014-07-24 06:53:38 PM  

ginandbacon: brap: ManateeGag: No farking shiat.  I learned that Tylonol does dick for lower back pain.

I'm not a doctor but I found that easing up on the dick really helped ease my lower back pain.

I'm pretty sure you've been doing it wrong.



It's not a suppository?
 
2014-07-24 07:03:55 PM  

Snarfangel: ginandbacon: brap: ManateeGag: No farking shiat.  I learned that Tylonol does dick for lower back pain.

I'm not a doctor but I found that easing up on the dick really helped ease my lower back pain.

I'm pretty sure you've been doing it wrong.


It's not a suppository?


Do you want it to be?
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-07-24 07:07:49 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: basemetal: NSAIDS are always going to give you better results for back pain. I feel bad for people who truthfully cannot take them.

/yes, I'd do understand they have adverse effects too

This is why I get pissed off when my doc says no more Tramadol for my back. Tylenol does jack, and I can't take NSAIDS due to high risk of ulcers. I two flattened/herniated discs and pinched sciatic nerves that make sitting or standing for more than 30 minutes nearly unbearable. I don't want Vicodin; I don't want Percoset; I don't want to get high. I just want to be able to do normal things without feeling like I've been hit in the lower back with a brick.

/rant over


Tramadol doesn't do jack squat for my back. All it did was give me dry mouth and some really trippy dreams. Ibuprofen works much better.
 
2014-07-24 07:20:29 PM  
Tylenol is not an NSAID. It's an analgesic and antipyretic.

If you're taking it for back pain, you're doing it wrong.
 
2014-07-24 07:21:21 PM  
Which is why you never take Tylenol for a hangover.
 
2014-07-24 07:23:46 PM  

brap: ManateeGag: No farking shiat.  I learned that Tylonol does dick for lower back pain.

I'm not a doctor but I found that easing up on the dick really helped ease my lower back pain.


Might be time to date Asian dudes from now on.
 
2014-07-24 07:24:24 PM  
Any drunkard knows this.
 
2014-07-24 07:25:57 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: basemetal: NSAIDS are always going to give you better results for back pain. I feel bad for people who truthfully cannot take them.

/yes, I'd do understand they have adverse effects too

This is why I get pissed off when my doc says no more Tramadol for my back. Tylenol does jack, and I can't take NSAIDS due to high risk of ulcers. I two flattened/herniated discs and pinched sciatic nerves that make sitting or standing for more than 30 minutes nearly unbearable. I don't want Vicodin; I don't want Percoset; I don't want to get high. I just want to be able to do normal things without feeling like I've been hit in the lower back with a brick.

/rant over


Honestly, if your pain is bad enough you might not even get high with Vicodin or Percoset. I've only felt the high when the medicine was overkill for the pain I was having. Also, you might want to look into extended release, as the constant, more moderate level in the blood decreases the possibility of feeling high.
 
2014-07-24 07:26:05 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: basemetal: NSAIDS are always going to give you better results for back pain. I feel bad for people who truthfully cannot take them.

/yes, I'd do understand they have adverse effects too

This is why I get pissed off when my doc says no more Tramadol for my back. Tylenol does jack, and I can't take NSAIDS due to high risk of ulcers. I two flattened/herniated discs and pinched sciatic nerves that make sitting or standing for more than 30 minutes nearly unbearable. I don't want Vicodin; I don't want Percoset; I don't want to get high. I just want to be able to do normal things without feeling like I've been hit in the lower back with a brick.

/rant over


Indica... if you are in a state with med cannabis. Got prescribed percoset for a broken foot hated the shiat. Found edible cannabis to be one of the better pain killers. India doesn't make you loopy like sativa.
 
2014-07-24 07:29:44 PM  
600-800mg of ibuprofen, not to exceed that dose 3-4x a day.
 
2014-07-24 07:29:53 PM  

ginandbacon: Snarfangel: ginandbacon: brap: ManateeGag: No farking shiat.  I learned that Tylonol does dick for lower back pain.

I'm not a doctor but I found that easing up on the dick really helped ease my lower back pain.

I'm pretty sure you've been doing it wrong.


It's not a suppository?

Do you want it to be?


media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com
 
2014-07-24 07:32:36 PM  
Painkillers never work for back troubles.. The pain is there for a reason, fix the problem, not the symptom. Often people take crazy narcotic painkillers to deal with back pain and that is the absolutely worst thing you can do, all it does it hide the pain while you do more damage.
 
2014-07-24 07:33:27 PM  
NSAIDs and vodka does the trick.
 
2014-07-24 07:34:14 PM  
Yeah, Tylenol has always been mostly useless for any of my pain. Post-knee surgery, they used it alternating with aspirin for fever control. Ibuprofen is my OTC pain med of choice. Naproxin sodium tears up my guts too much.
 
2014-07-24 07:35:41 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: basemetal: NSAIDS are always going to give you better results for back pain. I feel bad for people who truthfully cannot take them.

/yes, I'd do understand they have adverse effects too

This is why I get pissed off when my doc says no more Tramadol for my back. Tylenol does jack, and I can't take NSAIDS due to high risk of ulcers. I two flattened/herniated discs and pinched sciatic nerves that make sitting or standing for more than 30 minutes nearly unbearable. I don't want Vicodin; I don't want Percoset; I don't want to get high. I just want to be able to do normal things without feeling like I've been hit in the lower back with a brick.

/rant over


You DO understand that tramadol is an opiate, and that with its serotonin/norepinephrine uptake inhibition, coming off of it is withdrawal from opiates AND antidepressants at the same time?

You won't like brain zaps, trust me (docs lie about this med like no one's business)
 
2014-07-24 07:36:13 PM  
Only if you mix it with alcohol. That's why I always crush a couple and put them in my beer.
 
2014-07-24 07:39:22 PM  
1 Targin every 12 hours
2 Gabapentin every 12 hours
1 Celebrex

My Dr. tried me on Codine Contin and I was puking my guts out.

I got an epideral procedure coupled with physio and training to see if I can avoid operating.
 
2014-07-24 07:40:37 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: ginandbacon: Snarfangel: ginandbacon: brap: ManateeGag: No farking shiat.  I learned that Tylonol does dick for lower back pain.

I'm not a doctor but I found that easing up on the dick really helped ease my lower back pain.

I'm pretty sure you've been doing it wrong.


It's not a suppository?

Do you want it to be?

[media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 800x533]


OMG shoot me now.
 
2014-07-24 07:41:40 PM  

Vector R: 600-800mg of ibuprofen, not to exceed that dose 3-4x a day.


Lemme make up a number, people are intolerant of ibuprofen and most other NSAIDs.

The over use of paracetamol(acetaminophen), name changed to protect the guilty, is a political/MONEY scheme foisted off on people with a DANGEROUS and toxic at prescribed dosage drug.
It was a poor choice by Big Pharma to go with, but until they admit the error, instead of doubling down on us, we are in dudu.
At the time, they knew no better.
Why o why is Double Down the Derp so fashionable? 'Cause it is so stupid!
 
2014-07-24 07:41:49 PM  
Well we should make it a schedule one substance like the killer marijuana plant, which has an LD50 of 1:40,000* (1,500 pounds in 15 minutes)

*1988 judge young report
 
2014-07-24 07:42:17 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: basemetal: NSAIDS are always going to give you better results for back pain. I feel bad for people who truthfully cannot take them.

/yes, I'd do understand they have adverse effects too

This is why I get pissed off when my doc says no more Tramadol for my back. Tylenol does jack, and I can't take NSAIDS due to high risk of ulcers. I two flattened/herniated discs and pinched sciatic nerves that make sitting or standing for more than 30 minutes nearly unbearable. I don't want Vicodin; I don't want Percoset; I don't want to get high. I just want to be able to do normal things without feeling like I've been hit in the lower back with a brick.

/rant over


I've had issues with lower back pain and sciatica for over a decade. Yoga saved my life.It takes 2 months of going once a week to see results.
 
2014-07-24 07:45:35 PM  

Vector R: 600-800mg of ibuprofen, not to exceed that dose 3-4x a day.


"Vitamin M"
 
2014-07-24 07:45:41 PM  
Or you could learn to lift with your legs and not your back.
 
2014-07-24 07:47:32 PM  
Yeah, it causes deadly liver damage, but only when heavily overdosed or combined with alcohol, which is why you can buy all the Nyquil (acetaminophen + alcohol) that you want over the counter.

Because it can't get you high, and it can't be used as a meth precursor, and those are the things that really matter to the FDA.
 
2014-07-24 07:50:41 PM  
No shiat, subby. On either count.
 
2014-07-24 07:50:43 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: basemetal: NSAIDS are always going to give you better results for back pain. I feel bad for people who truthfully cannot take them.

/yes, I'd do understand they have adverse effects too

This is why I get pissed off when my doc says no more Tramadol for my back. Tylenol does jack, and I can't take NSAIDS due to high risk of ulcers. I two flattened/herniated discs and pinched sciatic nerves that make sitting or standing for more than 30 minutes nearly unbearable. I don't want Vicodin; I don't want Percoset; I don't want to get high. I just want to be able to do normal things without feeling like I've been hit in the lower back with a brick.

/rant over


Can you use NSAID creams rather than tablets? I'm in the the UK and was using ibuprofen (Advil in the US?) 10% cream, but now use Volarol (Diclofenac?) cream which is much better and can now be bought without a prescription.
 
2014-07-24 07:52:02 PM  

RexTalionis: Tylenol is pretty much useless except maybe as a fever reducer, in my experience.


Yup.  I take Ibuprofen for pain, and Acetaminophen for fevers.
 
2014-07-24 07:52:05 PM  
Naproxen or Ibuprofen is what works for me.

Or hydrocodone, but the terrifying nightmares aren't worth it.
 
2014-07-24 07:55:53 PM  

spaten: Indica... if you are in a state with med cannabis. Got prescribed percoset for a broken foot hated the shiat. Found edible cannabis to be one of the better pain killers. India doesn't make you loopy like sativa.


All about the CBD baby! Less pain, more liver!
 
2014-07-24 07:57:18 PM  

Vector R: 600-800mg of ibuprofen, not to exceed that dose 3-4x a day.


:P

Aspirin.

/really hate when you ask someone, "Do you have any aspirin?" and their response is, "I have Tylenol" (or whatever else that isn't aspirin)
 
2014-07-24 07:59:33 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Vector R: 600-800mg of ibuprofen, not to exceed that dose 3-4x a day.

:P

Aspirin.

/really hate when you ask someone, "Do you have any aspirin?" and their response is, "I have Tylenol" (or whatever else that isn't aspirin)


consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-24 08:00:44 PM  

Rozinante: Any drunkard knows this.


No shiat.
 
2014-07-24 08:01:14 PM  
A few years back my allergies were killing me so I was popping OTC allergy pills like they were tic-tacs.
I go in for my yearly 50,000 mile checkup and when the doc looks at my blood test results he asks me when I started drinking heavily.
I tell him I don't really drink alcohol much.
He says my liver says otherwise.
I tell him I've been taking tons of allergy meds and tell him which ones I'd been taking.
He tells me most had acetaminophen and that was most likely causing my liver problems.
He prescribed Flonase and told me to knock off the other stuff, come back in 4 months for another round of tests.
Also said more people damage their liver by using acetaminophen than do by abusing alcohol.

Follow up blood tests all liver levels were fine.

Acetaminophen is bad stuff for your body.
 
2014-07-24 08:01:26 PM  
Yea, thanks for 1996. farking idiots.
 
2014-07-24 08:03:19 PM  
So an article not about Tylenol somehow right away becomes about Tylenol?
 
2014-07-24 08:04:09 PM  
Wow I stupid
 
2014-07-24 08:06:21 PM  

mrlewish: So an article not about Tylenol somehow right away becomes about Tylenol?


No, it's about Tylenol®, they're just using the non-US generic term (paracetamol) instead of the US generic term (acetaminophen).
 
2014-07-24 08:09:50 PM  
It's no secret that most liver failure cases in the US come from overdoses of Tylenol.

If it had to get approved as a drug any time during the last 30 years or so, it would have failed. I know multiple liver toxicity experts who work at the FDA who think it should be removed from the market and have actively lobbied to make it happen. Well, somewhat actively. The message gets read that you just don't do that to a highly successful drug, well at least not because it would make us look bad for having allowed it until now. But none of that is overt, and it isn't clear if anyone actually writes the message that gets read. It is that the systems we get highly discourage crusaders of any sort.
 
2014-07-24 08:33:23 PM  

wademh: It's no secret that most liver failure cases in the US come from overdoses of Tylenol.

If it had to get approved as a drug any time during the last 30 years or so, it would have failed. I know multiple liver toxicity experts who work at the FDA who think it should be removed from the market and have actively lobbied to make it happen. Well, somewhat actively. The message gets read that you just don't do that to a highly successful drug, well at least not because it would make us look bad for having allowed it until now. But none of that is overt, and it isn't clear if anyone actually writes the message that gets read. It is that the systems we get highly discourage crusaders of any sort.


Shortly after Johnson & Johnson acquired McNeil Labs (Tylenol), they engaged in some pretty questionable (and highly effective) marketing, e.g., `oh! the baby aspirin will Reyes Syndrome your infant'.  I leave it to everyone to track down the stats on the number of actual cases of Reyes that can be attributed to Aspirin use, alone.  Now, FDA?  `Let's just keep compounding those narcotic analgesics with acetaminophen - that will slow down the dopers - their livers are virtuous targets of righteous prohibitions! (fark legitimate users)'  Just try to run down a compound of, oh, Aspirin and Codeine these days.
 
2014-07-24 08:34:01 PM  

mrlewish: So an article not about Tylenol somehow right away becomes about Tylenol?


Both names are the same drug. Go ahead, ask why.
Rebranding in action.

Want to learn more? Watch the GOP campaign. Military Grade rebranding.
 
2014-07-24 08:37:20 PM  

Crazy Lee: wademh: It's no secret that most liver failure cases in the US come from overdoses of Tylenol.

If it had to get approved as a drug any time during the last 30 years or so, it would have failed. I know multiple liver toxicity experts who work at the FDA who think it should be removed from the market and have actively lobbied to make it happen. Well, somewhat actively. The message gets read that you just don't do that to a highly successful drug, well at least not because it would make us look bad for having allowed it until now. But none of that is overt, and it isn't clear if anyone actually writes the message that gets read. It is that the systems we get highly discourage crusaders of any sort.

Shortly after Johnson & Johnson acquired McNeil Labs (Tylenol), they engaged in some pretty questionable (and highly effective) marketing, e.g., `oh! the baby aspirin will Reyes Syndrome your infant'.  I leave it to everyone to track down the stats on the number of actual cases of Reyes that can be attributed to Aspirin use, alone.  Now, FDA?  `Let's just keep compounding those narcotic analgesics with acetaminophen - that will slow down the dopers - their livers are virtuous targets of righteous prohibitions! (fark legitimate users)'  Just try to run down a compound of, oh, Aspirin and Codeine these days.


Bootstrapping at it's finest.
Hell of a business plan.
Shame your customers have to die.
But, if they only get sick, that is a feature, not a bug. Moar PROFIT from the sick ones.
 
2014-07-24 08:46:26 PM  

RexTalionis: Tylenol is pretty much useless except maybe as a fever reducer, in my experience.


Yeah.  I've never even tried it on a fever (I've only had a fever twice in the last quarter century) and I've found it useless for anything I have tried it on.  There hasn't been any in the house for ages.

wademh: If it had to get approved as a drug any time during the last 30 years or so, it would have failed. I know multiple liver toxicity experts who work at the FDA who think it should be removed from the market and have actively lobbied to make it happen. Well, somewhat actively. The message gets read that you just don't do that to a highly successful drug, well at least not because it would make us look bad for having allowed it until now. But none of that is overt, and it isn't clear if anyone actually writes the message that gets read. It is that the systems we get highly discourage crusaders of any sort.


Yeah, it should go.  The therapeutic range is too narrow to be acceptable in an OTC medicine, or in any medicine without good reason.
 
2014-07-24 08:48:15 PM  
My sister died a few years ago from tylenol caused liver damage. She was having almost constant seizures and kept throwing up her pain meds, so she'd take them again, not realizing how much was actually getting into her system. No one in the family takes tylenol for anything now, just out of spite. My mom goes on rants about it like it's an actual person who killed her. It's really weird to be older than my older sister got to be.
 
2014-07-24 08:54:13 PM  

Chainsaw Turd Elf: I've had issues with lower back pain and sciatica for over a decade. Yoga saved my life.It takes 2 months of going once a week to see results.


res.mindbodygreen.com

Tylenol never did shiat for me. Aspirin is better and may also protect from cancer.
 
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