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(Politico)   Old and busted: John Walsh plagiarizes Master's thesis. New hotness: John Walsh plagiarizes Senate resolution   (politico.com) divider line 44
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2014-07-24 04:36:39 PM
I can't wait for him to rip off his mask and IT WAS RAND PAUL ALL ALONG!
 
2014-07-24 04:50:50 PM
Meh, he re-introduced someone else's bill that failed in a previous Congress.  Not uncommon, and the original sponsor was a co-sponsor on this one.

Honestly - I'm sure the guy has worse things they could dig up.  This is just faux outrage.
 
2014-07-24 04:53:51 PM
We should lay off this guy.  You know, his son was kidnapped!
 
2014-07-24 05:11:57 PM
Wait until they find out that his autobiography was plagiarized from Shia Labeouf.
 
2014-07-24 05:14:57 PM
FTFA: A Walsh spokeswoman said Stabenow "asked Sen. Walsh to introduce the bill. It is not uncommon for Senators to work together and for bills to be reintroduced from Congress to Congress by different members."

The entire idea of Congress is a deliberative body that collectively comes up with solutions to the problems of governing. The idea of a Master's Degree is to pursue individual learning in order to earn personal qualifications. There isn't any conceptual ground connecting them. Unlike his actual university plagiarism, this isn't worth discussing.
 
2014-07-24 06:11:02 PM
This isn't a story.  His blatant plagiarism on a farking 12 page paper that earned him a Master's degree is a story. That he only had to write a 12 page paper to get a Master's degree is a story. This is not.

This is like taking a Mulligan for legislation. It's quite common.
 
2014-07-24 06:47:46 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Meh, he re-introduced someone else's bill that failed in a previous Congress.  Not uncommon, and the original sponsor was a co-sponsor on this one.

Honestly - I'm sure the guy has worse things they could dig up.  This is just faux outrage.



It's just a pale echo of the outrage I had last week.
 
2014-07-24 07:52:21 PM
 
2014-07-24 07:53:55 PM
Man, he's really gone downhill since America's Most Wanted got cancelled. :-(
 
2014-07-24 08:01:48 PM

Lsherm: That he only had to write a 12 page paper to get a Master's degree is a story.


wat

/agreeing that's ridiculous, to be clear
 
2014-07-24 08:09:49 PM
His Maserati does 185 .
 
2014-07-24 08:15:22 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Meh, he re-introduced someone else's bill that failed in a previous Congress.  Not uncommon, and the original sponsor was a co-sponsor on this one.

Honestly - I'm sure the guy has worse things they could dig up.  This is just faux outrage.


It's absolutely normal. In fact, Paul Ryan's budget was a word-for-word copy of "A Modest Proposal" with a few pictures of Ronald Reagan wearing a banana hammock pasted in.
 
2014-07-24 08:16:45 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Ronald Reagan wearing a banana hammock


img3.wikia.nocookie.net


/still had it copied from a different thread
 
2014-07-24 08:21:35 PM

Somacandra: FTFA: A Walsh spokeswoman said Stabenow "asked Sen. Walsh to introduce the bill. It is not uncommon for Senators to work together and for bills to be reintroduced from Congress to Congress by different members."

The entire idea of Congress is a deliberative body that collectively comes up with solutions to the problems of governing. The idea of a Master's Degree is to pursue individual learning in order to earn personal qualifications. There isn't any conceptual ground connecting them. Unlike his actual university plagiarism, this isn't worth discussing.


This.

It's not plagiarism if the original author hands you a copy and says "Here, go run this by Senate again for me."
 
2014-07-24 08:25:46 PM
As a general rule, it is kosher to copy from previous bills, laws, regulations, etc. when writing a bill because nothing in it need be original.   Now a master's thesis, that is supposed to a original and any copying is supposed to be clearly indicated as a quote and to have a citation.

/Indeed bills routinely copies of previous stuff.   Heck when Oklahoma became a state they ripped pages out of law books from other states and passed them into law.
 
2014-07-24 08:29:09 PM

Lsherm: This isn't a story.  His blatant plagiarism on a farking 12 page paper that earned him a Master's degree is a story. That he only had to write a 12 page paper to get a Master's degree is a story. This is not.

This is like taking a Mulligan for legislation. It's quite common.


I heard it was 14 pages, but for all I know that might count two pages of of front matter.
 
2014-07-24 08:50:34 PM
If re-introducing a bill in Congress is considered plagiarism, then the Republicans hold the all-time record for plagiarism when they re-introduced the repeal of Obamacare 49 times.

this statement lifted from the comments section of TFA.
 
2014-07-24 08:54:43 PM
 
2014-07-24 08:55:39 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Benevolent Misanthrope: Meh, he re-introduced someone else's bill that failed in a previous Congress.  Not uncommon, and the original sponsor was a co-sponsor on this one.

Honestly - I'm sure the guy has worse things they could dig up.  This is just faux outrage.

It's absolutely normal. In fact, Paul Ryan's budget was a word-for-word copy of "A Modest Proposal" with a few pictures of Ronald Reagan wearing a banana hammock pasted in.


Jesus Christ man.

I can only get so hard.
 
2014-07-24 09:00:02 PM
This doesn't seem as big a deal.  I guess reporters smell blood in the water with this guy and are cross-checking everything he ever wrote.
 
2014-07-24 09:01:51 PM
Well, I'd rather be riding in a car with Betty Ford versus Sammy Davis Jr, because you can see with one tit.
 
2014-07-24 09:06:50 PM

The Larch: Lsherm: This isn't a story.  His blatant plagiarism on a farking 12 page paper that earned him a Master's degree is a story. That he only had to write a 12 page paper to get a Master's degree is a story. This is not.

This is like taking a Mulligan for legislation. It's quite common.

I heard it was 14 pages, but for all I know that might count two pages of of front matter.


It was a twelve page paper with two pages of citations and footnotes.  Citations and footnotes don't count unless something has gone seriously wrong since I was in university.
 
2014-07-24 09:08:19 PM
This is just stupid. Nobody expects legislation to be original work. If a prior bill has what you need, it would be a waste of resources and your time to rewrite the thing. There's plenty else to criticize Walsh for without picking nits like this.
 
2014-07-24 09:09:43 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-24 09:13:09 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Benevolent Misanthrope: Meh, he re-introduced someone else's bill that failed in a previous Congress.  Not uncommon, and the original sponsor was a co-sponsor on this one.

Honestly - I'm sure the guy has worse things they could dig up.  This is just faux outrage.

It's absolutely normal. In fact, Paul Ryan's budget was a word-for-word copy of "A Modest Proposal" with a few pictures of Ronald Reagan wearing a banana hammock pasted in.


I'm not eating any Irish babies. Unless they're deep fried.
 
2014-07-24 09:30:42 PM
He reintroduced a bill written by the co-sponsor. Non story. The scandal is the extremely short plagiarized master's thesis. But there is one thing I read in the article which as a Democrat bothered me and would make it hard for me to vote for him when you add in his plagiarized thesis:

It's not the first case of bad timing to strike Walsh's legislation. In May he introduced legislation called the "Do Your Job Act" that would prohibit Congress from recessing if it did not produce a long-term balanced budget. After introducing the bill, Walsh promptly flew back to Montana on recess, an incongruence not lost on GOP sources tracking Walsh.

You add in that with the others and he doesn't inspire confidence. He comes across as one of those empty suits that is all style and no substance. Of course with that being said, he still would be the lesser of two evils compared to any GOP challenger due to how radical the Republican platform has become.
 
2014-07-24 09:40:37 PM
Oh yeah...well, the subby doesn't know the difference between a Bill and a Resolution!  So there!
 
2014-07-24 09:45:37 PM

Lando Lincoln: I can't wait for him to rip off his mask and IT WAS RAND PAUL ALL ALONG!


AW SONOFABIATCH
 
2014-07-24 10:25:20 PM
As political hatchet jobs go, this one has a weak follow-through.
 
2014-07-24 10:28:26 PM

The Larch: Lsherm: This isn't a story.  His blatant plagiarism on a farking 12 page paper that earned him a Master's degree is a story. That he only had to write a 12 page paper to get a Master's degree is a story. This is not.

This is like taking a Mulligan for legislation. It's quite common.

I heard it was 14 pages, but for all I know that might count two pages of of front matter.


That's...really not that much more impressive. When I was in college I regularly had undergrad classes where I was expected to write 3 or so 10-15 page papers a semester, and often had more than one of these classes a semester. FFS, the final paper for one of my classes was 20.

And this farker gets a master's with a 12/14 page paper? All the hate.
 
2014-07-24 11:15:59 PM
To be perfectly fair it's not like we elected him or anything like that.
 
2014-07-24 11:33:58 PM

grumpfuff: The Larch: Lsherm: This isn't a story.  His blatant plagiarism on a farking 12 page paper that earned him a Master's degree is a story. That he only had to write a 12 page paper to get a Master's degree is a story. This is not.

This is like taking a Mulligan for legislation. It's quite common.

I heard it was 14 pages, but for all I know that might count two pages of of front matter.

That's...really not that much more impressive. When I was in college I regularly had undergrad classes where I was expected to write 3 or so 10-15 page papers a semester, and often had more than one of these classes a semester. FFS, the final paper for one of my classes was 20.

And this farker gets a master's with a 12/14 page paper? All the hate.


Usually you see the 15-pagers start showing up around sophomore year of undergraduate school. Part of me is curious to see the school's statement where they make up some poor reason about why they won't take away his degree even though most graduate programs revoke them if your cheating comes out after the fact.
 
2014-07-25 12:25:50 AM

Lsherm: That he only had to write a 12 page paper to get a Master's degree is a story. This is not.


I had to write no dissertation at all for my master's degree; I just had to take two semesters of high-level course work in engineering.
 
2014-07-25 12:38:15 AM
Damn, he's gone to hell since his hit "Rocky Mountain Way".

This caps it.  I'm NOT moving to Montana now to vote for him.
 
2014-07-25 01:57:31 AM
I suppose I could try to be outraged over this...
 
2014-07-25 04:09:09 AM
So why don't these political faux pas make it harder for Republicans to be elected to office?

Why does this news ultimately not matter one iota?
 
2014-07-25 05:30:37 AM
It's only OK if you copy ALEC.
 
2014-07-25 06:06:09 AM

TheManofPA: grumpfuff: The Larch: Lsherm: This isn't a story.  His blatant plagiarism on a farking 12 page paper that earned him a Master's degree is a story. That he only had to write a 12 page paper to get a Master's degree is a story. This is not.

This is like taking a Mulligan for legislation. It's quite common.

I heard it was 14 pages, but for all I know that might count two pages of of front matter.

That's...really not that much more impressive. When I was in college I regularly had undergrad classes where I was expected to write 3 or so 10-15 page papers a semester, and often had more than one of these classes a semester. FFS, the final paper for one of my classes was 20.

And this farker gets a master's with a 12/14 page paper? All the hate.

Usually you see the 15-pagers start showing up around sophomore year of undergraduate school. Part of me is curious to see the school's statement where they make up some poor reason about why they won't take away his degree even though most graduate programs revoke them if your cheating comes out after the fact.


Seems like the War College is pretty serious about it, and they're investigating now. He's going with blaming meds/PTSD, working the sympathy-for-returning-vet angle. I doubt that's going to do much to garner votes.

If he had a mathematics degree or something, I'd argue it could've still been high quality, but twelve pages of what sounds like (mostly-lifted) think-tank-style platitudes about engagement with the Middle East does seem absurd for a masters thesis. It's hard to imagine there being enough there.
 
2014-07-25 07:05:47 AM
I don't care what anyone says, "Funk #49" is still a great song.
 
2014-07-25 07:08:56 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Benevolent Misanthrope: Meh, he re-introduced someone else's bill that failed in a previous Congress.  Not uncommon, and the original sponsor was a co-sponsor on this one.

Honestly - I'm sure the guy has worse things they could dig up.  This is just faux outrage.

It's absolutely normal. In fact, Paul Ryan's budget was a word-for-word copy of "A Modest Proposal" with a few pictures of Ronald Reagan wearing a banana hammock pasted in.


Not cool! Now I'm going to carry that image with me all day long, and it's way too early to drink it out of my mind. You coldhearted bastard!
 
2014-07-25 08:11:37 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Meh, he re-introduced someone else's bill that failed in a previous Congress.  Not uncommon, and the original sponsor was a co-sponsor on this one.

Honestly - I'm sure the guy has worse things they could dig up.  This is just faux outrage.


Yeah, this.  Besides, I'm pretty sure that laws aren't protected from plagiarism, anyway.  I know that a lot of smaller cities just copy-and-paste laws from peer or slightly larger cities into their own charter, rather than have their part-time council members draft unique legislation.  "Don't litter" can only be said so many different ways.
 
2014-07-25 08:17:53 AM

grumpfuff: Lsherm: That he only had to write a 12 page paper to get a Master's degree is a story.

wat

/agreeing that's ridiculous, to be clear


Yeah, my capstone paper for my BS was 45 pages. Wtf.
 
2014-07-25 08:54:30 AM
He plagarized Vinny Testaverde when he was starting QB at Miami when they won 1987 Nat'l Championship
 
2014-07-25 10:56:39 AM
He seemed like such a straight-shooting guy...

www.grudge-match.com
 
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