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2014-07-24 04:45:13 PM
Wine sucks. And all those who say there's a "fruity" taste or "floral" this and that in it are full of shiat. It's nothing but bitter disguised as class.
 
2014-07-24 04:52:54 PM
The only thing that makes wine snobs more obnoxious than beer snobs is the monocle.
 
2014-07-24 05:00:42 PM
?There is a discernable difference between cheap swill and decent wine. That said, there are plenty of very good wines for under 20.00.
I'm surprised this guy didn't get a hit put out on him.
 
2014-07-24 05:06:25 PM

JoieD'Zen: ?There is a discernable difference between cheap swill and decent wine. That said, there are plenty of very good wines for under 20.00.


Yes there are. Hell you can find great wines for $10-15, sometimes even lower. Anyone paying more than $20 is paying for the label so they can show it to people.
 
2014-07-24 05:10:30 PM

scottydoesntknow: JoieD'Zen: ?There is a discernable difference between cheap swill and decent wine. That said, there are plenty of very good wines for under 20.00.

Yes there are. Hell you can find great wines for $10-15, sometimes even lower. Anyone paying more than $20 is paying for the label so they can show it to people.


I got a Smoking Loon Cab on sale for 11.00 recently. Fantastic.
 
2014-07-24 05:14:16 PM

JoieD'Zen: scottydoesntknow: JoieD'Zen: ?There is a discernable difference between cheap swill and decent wine. That said, there are plenty of very good wines for under 20.00.

Yes there are. Hell you can find great wines for $10-15, sometimes even lower. Anyone paying more than $20 is paying for the label so they can show it to people.

I got a Smoking Loon Cab on sale for 11.00 recently. Fantastic.


Thanks for the suggestion. Gonna check that out.

Mark West (pinot) and Columbia Crest H3 (cab) are two of my low price favorites.
 
2014-07-24 05:41:33 PM
www.thewinebar.com

This is surprisingly good. It's around ten bucks
 
2014-07-24 06:23:16 PM

scottydoesntknow: JoieD'Zen: scottydoesntknow: JoieD'Zen: ?There is a discernable difference between cheap swill and decent wine. That said, there are plenty of very good wines for under 20.00.

Yes there are. Hell you can find great wines for $10-15, sometimes even lower. Anyone paying more than $20 is paying for the label so they can show it to people.

I got a Smoking Loon Cab on sale for 11.00 recently. Fantastic.

Thanks for the suggestion. Gonna check that out.

Mark West (pinot) and Columbia Crest H3 (cab) are two of my low price favorites.


I like a lot of the South African wines, and they're usually under $20.
 
2014-07-24 06:39:07 PM
In Prison

Pruno, why I never.  It's Chateau Lafitte!  Trust me, bits of toilet paper is just part of their signature terrior.
 
2014-07-24 07:28:36 PM

JoieD'Zen: ?There is a discernable difference between cheap swill and decent wine. That said, there are plenty of very good wines for under 20.00.
I'm surprised this guy didn't get a hit put out on him.


Hell, I'm amazed the FBI didn't go after him for terriorism.
 
2014-07-24 07:38:46 PM
img.addfunny.com
 
2014-07-24 07:40:34 PM
The difference between a $10 bottle and $100 bottle is significant.  The difference between a $100 bottle and a $1000 bottle is pretty much non-existent.  You're just paying for the label at that point.
 
2014-07-24 07:46:05 PM
i normally stick to zambini brothers' fruit wine and dessert topping, myself
 
2014-07-24 07:47:14 PM

scottydoesntknow: JoieD'Zen: ?There is a discernable difference between cheap swill and decent wine. That said, there are plenty of very good wines for under 20.00.

Yes there are. Hell you can find great wines for $10-15, sometimes even lower. Anyone paying more than $20 is paying for the label so they can show it to people.


I love to find cheap ($10 ish) bottles of wine, but the 2 best bottles I've ever had were a Stag's Leap cab ($100 restaurant, so probably $50 retail), and a terre del Grico Salice Salentino (about $75 restaurant).

Not all of the expensive shiat is shiat :-). If I had the money, I'd have a basement full of those
 
2014-07-24 07:55:32 PM
greatwinenews.com

Okay, CSB time...

Several years ago I attended a wedding reception at a tony Sonoma inn, and where I got cornered at the bar by two lovely young ladies in their 40's. One asked where I was from so I pointed to the hills off to the east and said "Up one of those valleys on the other side of Napa." The other lady gushed about how often she and her husband fly out from NC to do wine tours, opined as to me being the luckiest guy in the world to live so close to wine heaven, and then asked my favorite winery.

"Charles Shaw", I said. They both look mildly confused before saying they'd never heard of it. I just shook my head and allowed that it was a local winery that was not on the national wine scene, but that their varietals were uncommonly good. After exchanging more pleasantries they wandered off, and I went to the bar for a refill.

"Nicely done, sir...this one's on me," said the sommelier.

/CSB
 
2014-07-24 07:58:36 PM
peterdonahue.com
 
2014-07-24 07:59:28 PM

ajgeek: Wine sucks. And all those who say there's a "fruity" taste or "floral" this and that in it are full of shiat. It's nothing but bitter disguised as class.


I live with my mom - please do try again.
 
2014-07-24 08:00:04 PM
HA!  Now THAT is a new filter for me!
 
2014-07-24 08:02:44 PM
I don't get people that just stick to non-carbonated grape-based beer. There's so many more things you can ferment, what makes grapes so special? Personally I think barley and wheat make much better beverages.
 
2014-07-24 08:03:06 PM
I deal with the same dilemma when purchasing fine vagina.
 
2014-07-24 08:09:29 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The difference between a $10 bottle and $100 bottle is significant.  The difference between a $100 bottle and a $1000 bottle is pretty much non-existent.  You're just paying for the label at that point.


Yep.

There's massive diminishing returns in wine quality as the price goes up.

$5 to $50? Huge difference.

$50 to $100? Not so much.
 
2014-07-24 08:12:19 PM

scottydoesntknow: JoieD'Zen: ?There is a discernable difference between cheap swill and decent wine. That said, there are plenty of very good wines for under 20.00.

Yes there are. Hell you can find great wines for $10-15, sometimes even lower. Anyone paying more than $20 is paying for the label so they can show it to people.


I never pay more than $8 a bottle and I'm  farkin classy as hell .
 
2014-07-24 08:46:34 PM

Kuroshin: ajgeek: Wine sucks. And all those who say there's a "fruity" taste or "floral" this and that in it are full of shiat. It's nothing but bitter disguised as class.

I live with my mom - please do try again.


Well other than the new filterpwn, I'm dead serious. Wine really, really sucks.
 
2014-07-24 08:54:47 PM

ajgeek: Kuroshin: ajgeek: Wine sucks. And all those who say there's a "fruity" taste or "floral" this and that in it are full of shiat. It's nothing but bitter disguised as class.

I live with my mom - please do try again.

Well other than the new filterpwn, I'm dead serious. Wine really, really sucks.


Something is wrong with your nose, tongue, or both.  Not because you don't enjoy it - we've all got our likes and dislikes - but because those notes you're claiming are bunk do indeed exist.

I like the new filter though.  It's fun being caught by surprise every now and again. :D
 
2014-07-24 09:06:24 PM

Kuroshin: ajgeek: Kuroshin: ajgeek: Wine sucks. And all those who say there's a "fruity" taste or "floral" this and that in it are full of shiat. It's nothing but bitter disguised as class.

I live with my mom - please do try again.

Well other than the new filterpwn, I'm dead serious. Wine really, really sucks.

Something is wrong with your nose, tongue, or both.  Not because you don't enjoy it - we've all got our likes and dislikes - but because those notes you're claiming are bunk do indeed exist.

I like the new filter though.  It's fun being caught by surprise every now and again. :D


"I live with my mom"s the new filterpwn?
Funny as hell.
 
2014-07-24 09:13:42 PM
img.fark.net
/meh, stickin' with vodka
 
2014-07-24 09:15:53 PM

Stone Meadow: [greatwinenews.com image 288x248]

Okay, CSB time...

Several years ago I attended a wedding reception at a tony Sonoma inn, and where I got cornered at the bar by two lovely young ladies in their 40's. One asked where I was from so I pointed to the hills off to the east and said "Up one of those valleys on the other side of Napa." The other lady gushed about how often she and her husband fly out from NC to do wine tours, opined as to me being the luckiest guy in the world to live so close to wine heaven, and then asked my favorite winery.

"Charles Shaw", I said. They both look mildly confused before saying they'd never heard of it. I just shook my head and allowed that it was a local winery that was not on the national wine scene, but that their varietals were uncommonly good. After exchanging more pleasantries they wandered off, and I went to the bar for a refill.

"Nicely done, sir...this one's on me," said the sommelier.

/CSB



Being at a wedding reception with a cash bar is already kind of not cool, but being approached by two 'lovely,' and probably a little tipsy out-of-town cougars and being 'cornered' by them at the bar...and then coming away from it with only a free glass of wine, is so not a cool story, bro.  It's a 'what the hell was I thinking?!' story that should haunt you for the rest of your life.
 
2014-07-24 09:17:14 PM
Faces 40 years? 11 year minimum?

I know I feel safer..

*eyeroll"
 
2014-07-24 09:17:45 PM
People who have never noticed a difference in wine quality or taste haven't drunk enough wine or aren't paying attention.  Try a good Pinot Noir from Dundee Hills in Oregon (Domaine Serene Evenstad Reserve for instance) then go back to 2 Buck Chuck and tell me there isn't a difference in quality.  This is not to bash 2 Buck Chuck because it's fine for what it is at the price it's at, but there is a difference.

Price isn't the only determining factor in this anyway.  There's a lot of variables that affect the flavor of a wine.  Wine tasting, flights, and experimenting will open up your eyes (or taste buds).

The same goes for beer.
 
2014-07-24 09:30:18 PM

JoieD'Zen: "I live with my mom"s the new filterpwn?
Funny as hell.


Yeah, it's when you give someone zero of ten for trolling.
 
2014-07-24 09:34:53 PM

PillsHere: People who have never noticed a difference in wine quality or taste haven't drunk enough wine or aren't paying attention.  Try a good Pinot Noir from Dundee Hills in Oregon (Domaine Serene Evenstad Reserve for instance) then go back to 2 Buck Chuck and tell me there isn't a difference in quality.  This is not to bash 2 Buck Chuck because it's fine for what it is at the price it's at, but there is a difference.

Price isn't the only determining factor in this anyway.  There's a lot of variables that affect the flavor of a wine.  Wine tasting, flights, and experimenting will open up your eyes (or taste buds).

The same goes for beer.


I've been conducting an experiment, should 3 Buck Chuck be aged?  The answer, is yes.  4 years ago, I bought a case of the 2009 Chuck Merlot and tucked it away in the basement.  I had a bottle recently and it was astonishingly mellow and refined.  Compared to a bottle of the 2012, it was no contest.

I've also done blind taste tests with amateur wine drinkers.  Conclusions: they have no idea what they're drinking and despite their stated preferences, they like fruit forward wines, especially Zinfandel.
 
2014-07-24 09:34:53 PM

JoieD'Zen: ?There is a discernable difference between cheap swill and decent wine. That said, there are plenty of very good wines for under 20.00.
I'm surprised this guy didn't get a hit put out on him.


True. Fraud is still fraud in my book as well.

/still waiting for some real prosecutions from 2008
//no, not holding my breath
 
2014-07-24 09:37:39 PM
He made $20 MILLION off a one man home brew operation!?Wow. Congratulations! That's really really impressive. Well done!
 
2014-07-24 09:38:30 PM
Gato Negro.
 
2014-07-24 09:51:24 PM

Danger Avoid Death: [img.addfunny.com image 640x575]


dilbert.com
 
2014-07-24 09:52:10 PM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: I deal with the same dilemma when purchasing fine vagina.


dilbert.com
 
2014-07-24 09:57:04 PM

The Mulatto Maker: /meh, stickin' with vodka


That was a surprisingly entertaining movie.
 
2014-07-24 10:17:01 PM

ajgeek: JoieD'Zen: "I live with my mom"s the new filterpwn?
Funny as hell.

Yeah, it's when you give someone zero of ten for trolling.


What happened to "I'm pregnant"? Did that get them banned from the donut shop?
 
kab
2014-07-24 10:22:00 PM

scottydoesntknow: Anyone paying more than $20 is paying for the label so they can show it to people.


Or maybe they just happen to enjoy that particular wine, and don't show it off to anyone.
 
2014-07-24 10:28:51 PM
Wine is a good grape ruined.
 
2014-07-24 10:48:49 PM
readreidread.files.wordpress.com

/classy as balls
//yes I really enjoy those
 
2014-07-24 10:49:03 PM
If you spend over $30 on a bottle of wine you're a fool.
 
2014-07-24 10:52:06 PM
Que shiraz, shiraz
Wine ever will be, will be
 
2014-07-24 10:58:16 PM
What's the word?
Thunderbird.
What's the price?
Fitty twice.
 
2014-07-24 11:10:33 PM
tse1.mm.bing.net
 
2014-07-24 11:11:12 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-24 11:14:09 PM

NewWorldDan: PillsHere: People who have never noticed a difference in wine quality or taste haven't drunk enough wine or aren't paying attention.  Try a good Pinot Noir from Dundee Hills in Oregon (Domaine Serene Evenstad Reserve for instance) then go back to 2 Buck Chuck and tell me there isn't a difference in quality.  This is not to bash 2 Buck Chuck because it's fine for what it is at the price it's at, but there is a difference.

Price isn't the only determining factor in this anyway.  There's a lot of variables that affect the flavor of a wine.  Wine tasting, flights, and experimenting will open up your eyes (or taste buds).

The same goes for beer.

I've been conducting an experiment, should 3 Buck Chuck be aged?  The answer, is yes.  4 years ago, I bought a case of the 2009 Chuck Merlot and tucked it away in the basement.  I had a bottle recently and it was astonishingly mellow and refined.  Compared to a bottle of the 2012, it was no contest.

I've also done blind taste tests with amateur wine drinkers.  Conclusions: they have no idea what they're drinking and despite their stated preferences, they like fruit forward wines, especially Zinfandel.


I've never had a good Zinfandel personally, but it isn't one that I would order or intentionally drink only because they always taste like sugar water to me.  Granted my experience with them is limited.
 
2014-07-24 11:16:47 PM

NewWorldDan: PillsHere: People who have never noticed a difference in wine quality or taste haven't drunk enough wine or aren't paying attention.  Try a good Pinot Noir from Dundee Hills in Oregon (Domaine Serene Evenstad Reserve for instance) then go back to 2 Buck Chuck and tell me there isn't a difference in quality.  This is not to bash 2 Buck Chuck because it's fine for what it is at the price it's at, but there is a difference.

Price isn't the only determining factor in this anyway.  There's a lot of variables that affect the flavor of a wine.  Wine tasting, flights, and experimenting will open up your eyes (or taste buds).

The same goes for beer.

I've been conducting an experiment, should 3 Buck Chuck be aged?  The answer, is yes.  4 years ago, I bought a case of the 2009 Chuck Merlot and tucked it away in the basement.  I had a bottle recently and it was astonishingly mellow and refined.  Compared to a bottle of the 2012, it was no contest.

I've also done blind taste tests with amateur wine drinkers.  Conclusions: they have no idea what they're drinking and despite their stated preferences, they like fruit forward wines, especially Zinfandel.


Real Zinfadel or white Zinfadel?
 
2014-07-24 11:29:38 PM
ct-static.com
 
2014-07-24 11:31:32 PM

Bslim: Faces 40 years? 11 year minimum?

I know I feel safer..

*eyeroll"


Well he did scam a Koch brother.
 
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