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(Slate)   Reports of ISIS ordering genital mutilation in Iraq have been greatly exaggerated. Maybe   (slate.com ) divider line
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2014-07-24 12:54:26 PM  
LOLNEWSCYCLE
 
2014-07-24 04:39:50 PM  
I have heard every thing conservatives claim Muslims do be listed as new laws from ISIS. Christian taxes, convert or die, all that stuff.
 
2014-07-24 04:58:38 PM  
I'm sorry, an Archer reference in an ISIS story is really hacky but

cdn.memegenerator.net
 
2014-07-24 05:09:32 PM  
It's probably like how Kim Jong Un's uncle's execution went from normal to WTF then back to normal again
 
2014-07-24 05:12:34 PM  

Teknowaffle: I have heard every thing conservatives claim Muslims do be listed as new laws from ISIS. Christian taxes, convert or die, all that stuff.


So the pictures of the thousands of dead are a lie?
 
2014-07-24 05:13:53 PM  
Isis is Middle Eastern batshiat crazy, not African batshiat crazy.

Get it right!
 
2014-07-24 05:20:45 PM  
Don't care, they still suck balls.
 
2014-07-24 05:23:09 PM  
They appear to be of only regional-average hatred towards women
 
2014-07-24 05:29:56 PM  
"Correction, July 24, 2014: This post originally misspelled Jacqueline Badcock's last name."

If I were the news editor I would have been tempted to change it to "Smith" or something
 
2014-07-24 05:33:56 PM  
so we can mark them down for a solid maybe.
 
2014-07-24 05:34:55 PM  
That would certainly be a bit rash for a small group still working to command the loyalty of a rather large populace.
 
2014-07-24 05:44:06 PM  

Mugato: I'm sorry, an Archer reference in an ISIS story is really hacky but

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Never apologize for doing that.
 
2014-07-24 05:50:33 PM  
Their only calling for severe verbal abuse of female genitals?
 
2014-07-24 05:55:07 PM  

Teknowaffle: I have heard every thing conservatives claim Muslims do be listed as new laws from ISIS. Christian taxes, convert or die, all that stuff.


You have been given all the infibulation that we are aware of.
 
2014-07-24 06:06:08 PM  
Of course the rumors are unconfirmed. No one has the balls to do real journalism anymore.
 
2014-07-24 06:14:58 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Teknowaffle: I have heard every thing conservatives claim Muslims do be listed as new laws from ISIS. Christian taxes, convert or die, all that stuff.

So the pictures of the thousands of dead are a lie?


Yup, they are rolling on the floor with lafter after ISIS rolled through and yelled DANGER ZONE!
 
2014-07-24 06:16:02 PM  

Teknowaffle: I have heard every thing conservatives claim Muslims do be listed as new laws from ISIS. Christian taxes, convert or die, all that stuff.


All of it ridiculous and unwarranted. Just like the unwarranted mutilation of boys using false science. I also wonder if we'd view Jewish rituals the same if we actually had the stones to classify circumcision for what it is: mutilation for traditionalism.

(if you're going to use the disease prevention route, try again)

Maybe it would be smarter to just not mutilate children of either sex? Bueller? Bueller?
 
2014-07-24 06:38:47 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Of course the rumors are unconfirmed. No one has the balls to do real journalism anymore.


In a way, the internet is responsible. If they can't google the facts they give up. But they bluffed their way through a prestigious school so they must be smaht.
 
2014-07-24 07:17:38 PM  

inglixthemad: Just like the unwarranted mutilation of boys using false science. I also wonder if we'd view Jewish rituals the same if we actually had the stones to classify circumcision for what it is: mutilation for traditionalism.


"Mutilation" is a ridiculous word.  I was cut and both my boys were cut.  What exactly would I  have told them if their tackle looks different from their dad's.  Not to mention they might appreciate it when women don't laugh and/or flee at the sight if them when they're older, and they don't get STDs or penis cancer.
 
2014-07-24 07:20:01 PM  

inglixthemad: Teknowaffle: I have heard every thing conservatives claim Muslims do be listed as new laws from ISIS. Christian taxes, convert or die, all that stuff.

All of it ridiculous and unwarranted. Just like the unwarranted mutilation of boys using false science. I also wonder if we'd view Jewish rituals the same if we actually had the stones to classify circumcision for what it is: mutilation for traditionalism.

(if you're going to use the disease prevention route, try again)

Maybe it would be smarter to just not mutilate children of either sex? Bueller? Bueller?


I'm a circumcised atheist, and I had both my boys circumcised.  There's no denying it's more sanitary.

Here's a short list of benefits:
Decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
Reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and reduced risk of cervical cancer in female partners
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).

Basically, our genitals are germ factories, and making them easier to clean is a good thing.  Not every ritual rooted in religion is purposeless.

This being said, FGM is not even close to the same thing, and I do not support that.
 
2014-07-24 07:23:54 PM  

No Such Agency: What exactly would I  have told them if their tackle looks different from their dad's


I guess the first thing I would ask is why is he looking at dad's tackle.

But yeah, I am glad that mine doesn't look like an anteater and freaks the American girls out. But by definition it is mutilation. It just doesn't hurt the rest of your life like female circumcision.
 
2014-07-24 07:24:32 PM  
In most cases clitoral excision is followed by another operation, in which the labia are partly cut away and then sewn together. Once a girl has healed, her vagina is almost completely sealed, leaving her a ''pinhole'' opening, only large enough for urine to pass drop by drop.

The immediate consequences of this operation sometimes include hemorrhage, tetanus and other infections, excruciating pain and death. More common results include painful urination, backup of menstrual blood and severe pain during sexual intercourse. (Two to 12 weeks are required for gradual penetration, which is essentially a process of repeated tearing; for convenience, the honeymoon hotel in the Sudanese city of Port Sudan is next to a hospital.) Traditionally women are resewn after the birth of each child (''renewable virginity'') only to experience the same effects again.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/15/books/mutilated-in-the-name-of-tra di tion.html

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest
 
2014-07-24 07:29:45 PM  
Because it's more sanitary makes sense but the fact that it's based on religion is pretty hilarious. Does this make sense to you....

"Hi, this is God. I included a flap on skin on all of your penii. I order you to slice it off at birth. Why did I put it there in the first place? Well I...don't make me come down there."
 
2014-07-24 08:22:51 PM  
At this point, if ISIS was calling for mass hara-kiri in the middle of Baghdad at dawn, I'd believe it.

Those guys are nucking futz.
 
2014-07-24 08:38:11 PM  

Crazy Lee: In most cases clitoral excision is followed by another operation, in which the labia are partly cut away and then sewn together. Once a girl has healed, her vagina is almost completely sealed, leaving her a ''pinhole'' opening, only large enough for urine to pass drop by drop.

The immediate consequences of this operation sometimes include hemorrhage, tetanus and other infections, excruciating pain and death. More common results include painful urination, backup of menstrual blood and severe pain during sexual intercourse. (Two to 12 weeks are required for gradual penetration, which is essentially a process of repeated tearing; for convenience, the honeymoon hotel in the Sudanese city of Port Sudan is next to a hospital.) Traditionally women are resewn after the birth of each child (''renewable virginity'') only to experience the same effects again.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/15/books/mutilated-in-the-name-of-tra di tion.html

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest


what the fark?

I quit
 
2014-07-24 08:54:11 PM  

Teknowaffle: I have heard every thing conservatives claim Muslims do be listed as new laws from ISIS. Christian taxes, convert or die, all that stuff.


wat?  Pay the jizwa and you'll be fine, loser.
 
2014-07-24 08:59:42 PM  

Teknowaffle: I have heard every thing conservatives claim Muslims do be listed as new laws from ISIS. Christian taxes, convert or die, all that stuff.


Oh, sorry, I thought you were making fun of the truth, but it looks like you are actually opening your eyes.
 
2014-07-24 09:33:34 PM  
Stop! My penis can only get so circumsized!
 
2014-07-24 09:48:13 PM  

Blue_Blazer: inglixthemad: Teknowaffle: I have heard every thing conservatives claim Muslims do be listed as new laws from ISIS. Christian taxes, convert or die, all that stuff.

All of it ridiculous and unwarranted. Just like the unwarranted mutilation of boys using false science. I also wonder if we'd view Jewish rituals the same if we actually had the stones to classify circumcision for what it is: mutilation for traditionalism.

(if you're going to use the disease prevention route, try again)

Maybe it would be smarter to just not mutilate children of either sex? Bueller? Bueller?

I'm a circumcised atheist, and I had both my boys circumcised.  There's no denying it's more sanitary.

Here's a short list of benefits:
Decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
Reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and reduced risk of cervical cancer in female partners
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).

Basically, our genitals are germ factories, and making them easier to clean is a good thing.  Not every ritual rooted in religion is purposeless.

This being said, FGM is not even close to the same thing, and I do not support that.


Other than the fact all of those benefits are based on questionable science, then you'd have to get behind female circumcision as well. No, not removing the clitoris, but the hood area (leaving the clitoris, and thus pleasure, intact) since they produce even more smegma than men. Hey it's disease control, right?

Or we can admit
 
2014-07-24 10:00:13 PM  
Dang, mobile keyboard hid.

Or we can admit we thought we were doing right, but it doesn't really matter. I've never had one myself, nor have I ever met, an uncircumcised man who had a UTI once. (Of course if we're going to use the UTI argument, and believe removing the excess stuff does help, then women should line up. I've not met a woman who didn't have at least a couple UTI's.)

Finally, removing a foreskin removes a crapload of nerve endings.

Of course I'm joking about circumsizing females. I consider that (even leaving the clitoris basically intact) to be a violation just as I consider circumsizing boys the same violation.
 
2014-07-24 10:13:36 PM  

inglixthemad: Other than the fact all of those benefits are based on questionable science


What? Most of those are supported by quite a bit of evidence. The HIV risk for male circumcision is supported by a shiatload of evidence, as is the decreased risk of glans inflammation
 
2014-07-24 10:15:24 PM  
If you surgically remove parts of your babies genitals then you should never be allowed around babies or children because you are a sick farking monster. There is no rational excuse for doing so, End of story.
 
2014-07-24 10:15:36 PM  

machoprogrammer: inglixthemad: Other than the fact all of those benefits are based on questionable science

What? Most of those are supported by quite a bit of evidence. The decreased HIV risk for male circumcision is supported by a shiatload of evidence, as is the decreased risk of glans inflammation


FTFM

But in either case, FGM would probably not be something that ISIS would bother with. It doesn't really fit with the recent Wahabism that has come around
 
2014-07-24 11:18:25 PM  
Why wouldn't they order it? The Prophet Muhammad ordered Muslims to cut away at least part of the clitoris. ISIS isn't going to blaspheme the prophet by ignoring his command. The future wouldn't belong to them if they blasphemed the prophet, according to Hussein Obama.
 
2014-07-24 11:19:21 PM  

machoprogrammer: inglixthemad: Other than the fact all of those benefits are based on questionable science

What? Most of those are supported by quite a bit of evidence. The HIV risk for male circumcision is supported by a shiatload of evidence, as is the decreased risk of glans inflammation


You mean the Africa studies? See above link.

In the USA, during the AIDS epidemic of the 1980s and 90s, about 85% of adult men were circumcised (much higher rates of circumcision than in Africa), and yet HIV still spread.

Care to guess again?

I understand it's tradition, but if you think smegma transmits disease, then you should be calling for circumcision of females. Not removing the clitoris, just the excess skin (analogous to the foreskin) around the clitoris. After all, it's a known fact that females produce more smegma than men, and the smegma is functionally the same. So if male smegma can carry disease, then females having more smegma (quantity) have more disease carrying potential. HPV (cancer linked) has been found in female smegma.

How about we just let people do what they want as adults and not cut anyone as a baby?
 
2014-07-25 01:31:33 AM  
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2014-07-25 08:49:53 AM  
Nipple pinchy.
 
2014-07-25 10:48:22 PM  

namatad: Crazy Lee: In most cases clitoral excision is followed by another operation, in which the labia are partly cut away and then sewn together. Once a girl has healed, her vagina is almost completely sealed, leaving her a ''pinhole'' opening, only large enough for urine to pass drop by drop.

The immediate consequences of this operation sometimes include hemorrhage, tetanus and other infections, excruciating pain and death. More common results include painful urination, backup of menstrual blood and severe pain during sexual intercourse. (Two to 12 weeks are required for gradual penetration, which is essentially a process of repeated tearing; for convenience, the honeymoon hotel in the Sudanese city of Port Sudan is next to a hospital.) Traditionally women are resewn after the birth of each child (''renewable virginity'') only to experience the same effects again.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/15/books/mutilated-in-the-name-of-tra di tion.html

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest

what the fark?

I quit


Second. I just can't understand why people do that to other people.
 
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